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garrettwombat

02-08-2008, 12:47 AM

the forums used to be a buzzing network of ideas and strategy...

it has all pretty much come to a stop...

it seems like we have a couple people wanting a 3rd party run... and others with their undercover delegate operations... and then we have the people pushing for a million to one chance of brokered conventions...

iv always had a clear understanding of what is about to happen in the community and knowledge of feeling we are all working towards a common goal with the presidential run...

everyone keeps laying ideas on the table and i see nothing getting done...

ron paul needs to figure out an official strategy to win and make another video for us to follow by... and i mean specifics.. he needs to tell us exactly what to do and we will do it.

the campaign has been so quite lately... you go onto their site and the main part of it hasn't even been updated in about a week.... no new messages from ron about super Tuesday... what is about to happen?

Molly1

02-08-2008, 12:51 AM

Steve_New_Jersey

02-08-2008, 12:52 AM

The New Revere

02-08-2008, 12:54 AM

Getting delagates and going to the convention IS what Ron Paul is after. Please see his recent emails and the blog on the official site.

RageAgainstDC

02-08-2008, 12:57 AM

...then we'll follow him to the grave, cause mccain's gonna have this wrapped up in no time.

garrettwombat

02-08-2008, 12:58 AM

yeah i need a link... im feeling pretty apathetic right about now.

boondoggle

02-08-2008, 12:58 AM

Part 1 of 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ksxNjHPrmw

Part 2 of 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrdgeEv5cxE&feature=user

Part 3 of 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7VBEM08jlo

I hope you think it was as amazing of speech as I did.

brunner

02-08-2008, 01:01 AM

Would someone explain to me how a convention is at all even possible at this point?

Sauron

02-08-2008, 01:03 AM

Would someone explain to me how a convention is at all even possible at this point?
It's possible because no Republican candidate has 1191 delegates yet. Time to snuff out McCain. Like those ducks that didn't vote for Huck in Iowa.

Patronus

02-08-2008, 01:05 AM

I haven't voted yet. It's not over.

seapilot

02-08-2008, 01:12 AM

Undercover delegate operations?? Are you a delegate, this is where the numbers really count.

Drknows

02-08-2008, 01:18 AM

He's already given us our direction. We're going to the convention.

Did you hear his speech today?

It was a shot across the bow of those who would destroy the conservative movement (and the Constitution).

Carry on!

He's not doing it because he wants to. Hes waiting on you people to decide whats next.

Should he run for congress? Send money to his ron paul for congresss.

Should he run independent or 3rd party? Organize a fundraiser and raise millions for that cause.

Hes sticking it out until the revolution comes to a decision. I guarantee you if we stop sending money he will drop out.

RickyJ

02-08-2008, 01:22 AM

Getting delagates and going to the convention IS what Ron Paul is after. Please see his recent emails and the blog on the official site.

Which will accomplish what exactly? A minor speaking role at the convention? Is that worth spending more money on? Unless McCain dies before the convention then he will be nominated. Paul may get to speak, but then again he might not. Not really worth the effort if you ask me. A third party run now is the only option for continuing this campaign. Either he goes third party or he should suspend the campaign. Spending more money with no real chance of getting the nomination is not running for President, it is spreading a message. The message needs to be spread, but we have more than enough of his videos to do that now without him continuing his run in the GOP primaries. If he runs third party I will enthusiastically support him, but his run in the GOP primaries is over whether he is willing to admit it or not.

JordanQ72

02-08-2008, 01:35 AM

I guarantee you if we stop sending money he will drop out.

That might be a real and serious problem very shortly considering how badly we missed

1) His initial January goal
2) His heavily revised Super Tuesday goal

Exactly how much do you think we need to be raising? It's stuff like this that's really annoying, because I know you won't have an answer with any real reasoning behind it, we'll both be speculating. I really wish the campaign was giving us some more details.

mczerone

02-08-2008, 01:38 AM

Which will accomplish what exactly? A minor speaking roll at the convention? Is that worth wasting more money on? Unless McCain dies before the convention then he will be nominated. Paul may get to speak, but then again he might not. Not really worth the effort if you ask me. A third party run now is the only option for continuing this campaign. Either he goes third party or he should suspend the campaign. Spending more money with no real chance of getting the nomination is not running for President, it is spreading a message. The message needs to be spread, but we have more than enough of his videos to do that now without him continuing his run in the GOP primaries. If he runs third party I will enthusiastically support him, but his run in the GOP primaries is over whether he is willing to admit it or not.

He should spend what money he may have in the Republican race. If there seems to be hope left, he'll get more donations. Until the convention, though, he can't announce a 3rd party, lest lose all money currently spent for naught, and starting from scratch on a second, tougher campaign.

I don't want to make Ron run 3rd party. Even with all the Bloomberg or other party rumors, if the GOP puts McCain against either O or H, there will be too much "lesser of two evils" pressure voting to keep the huge numbers in the two party system. Paul would draw the same thousands of voters in each state that are dedicated, maybe twice as many if we really worked at canvassing. There is a 0% chance of winning the presidency on a third party ticket. There is still a slim chance of drawing enough delegates to force a vote, after which it appears we may have a, say, 25% chance of being in the range to take out McCain.

so overall - I'd say we have a better shot at the presidency this election holding firm in the republican party, until the convention, anyway.

nodope0695

02-08-2008, 01:42 AM

A brokered Convention is possible becasue a candidate must have a certain amount of delegates in order to be locked into the nominaation. With Huckabee in the race, and Romney, Ghoul, and Thompson out, that leaves alot of delegates out there. Most, if not all of those delegates are now able to vote for whoever they want. Ron will surely gain some of those delegates, not to mention more from the remaining states who have yet to hold primaries.

That is why I think Romney dropped out. He stole a major landslide from McCain on super tuesday. My guess is a deal was brokered between Romney and McCain wherein Romney would drop out in the hopes of his supporters going over to McCain (in true Sheeple style). In exchange, McCain would assure his new buddy, Mitt, a nice cushy high ranking position in his administration. Of course, I am speculating, but this is politics.

driller80545

02-08-2008, 01:48 AM

What administration? McCain can't win this election even if he has his people program the Diebolds. I'm seeing a democratic landslide. McCain will be humiliated.

Thunderbolt

02-08-2008, 01:51 AM

Which will accomplish what exactly? A minor speaking role at the convention? Is that worth spending more money on? Unless McCain dies before the convention then he will be nominated. Paul may get to speak, but then again he might not. Not really worth the effort if you ask me. A third party run now is the only option for continuing this campaign. Either he goes third party or he should suspend the campaign. Spending more money with no real chance of getting the nomination is not running for President, it is spreading a message. The message needs to be spread, but we have more than enough of his videos to do that now without him continuing his run in the GOP primaries. If he runs third party I will enthusiastically support him, but his run in the GOP primaries is over whether he is willing to admit it or not.

Sore loser laws will get in his way if he tried. More importantly, if Ron Paul accepted a third-party nod for President, it could jeopardize his Republican re-election campaign for his House seat- Texas law explicitly prohibits candidates from being affiliated with more than one party in any calendar year.

Oyate

02-08-2008, 01:53 AM

the forums used to be a buzzing network of ideas and strategy...

it has all pretty much come to a stop...
(snip)

There's tons of reasons for things but I can tell you this. I haven't seen a forum yet that doesn't tend towards pollution. Motivated people get involved in action, outgrow the forums and leave the trolls and do-nothings.

Lovecraftian4Paul

02-08-2008, 02:08 AM

Sore loser laws will get in his way if he tried. More importantly, if Ron Paul accepted a third-party nod for President, it could jeopardize his Republican re-election campaign for his House seat- Texas law explicitly prohibits candidates from being affiliated with more than one party in any calendar year.

Only four states have the sore loser laws. The only big one is Texas, and there's probably legal basis for challenging it, or loopholes like having him as an independent instead of a specific third party in these states.

The New Revere

02-08-2008, 02:20 AM

Which will accomplish what exactly? A minor speaking role at the convention? Is that worth spending more money on? Unless McCain dies before the convention then he will be nominated. Paul may get to speak, but then again he might not. Not really worth the effort if you ask me. A third party run now is the only option for continuing this campaign. Either he goes third party or he should suspend the campaign. Spending more money with no real chance of getting the nomination is not running for President, it is spreading a message. The message needs to be spread, but we have more than enough of his videos to do that now without him continuing his run in the GOP primaries. If he runs third party I will enthusiastically support him, but his run in the GOP primaries is over whether he is willing to admit it or not.

You might want to do a bit moreresearch into the actual stateof the delagate situtation.

RickNHouston

02-08-2008, 02:27 AM

That might be a real and serious problem very shortly considering how badly we missed

1) His initial January goal
2) His heavily revised Super Tuesday goal

Exactly how much do you think we need to be raising? It's stuff like this that's really annoying, because I know you won't have an answer with any real reasoning behind it, we'll both be speculating. I really wish the campaign was giving us some more details.

The Republican Party has rejected him ... and committed suicide! It's time to move on ... I, for one am ready to establish "THE NEW AMERICAN PARTY" ... All for one and One for All!

freedmfytr

02-08-2008, 02:35 AM

We the people must help this campaign push forward! If nothing else, we will keep spreading the message of FREEDOM!!! New people are being turned on to Dr. Paul everyday. There is still a very large # of people that don't know who he is or what he stands for. Time to help them pull the wool from over their eyes and take a look at whats going on in this country. Keep up the good fight!

RickNHouston

02-08-2008, 02:35 AM

He's not doing it because he wants to. Hes waiting on you people to decide whats next.

Should he run for congress? Send money to his ron paul for congresss.

Should he run independent or 3rd party? Organize a fundraiser and raise millions for that cause.

Hes sticking it out until the revolution comes to a decision. I guarantee you if we stop sending money he will drop out.

This Sunday 2/10/08, we are staging his Congressional Re-Election Campaign kickoff with a huge Rally in Lake Jackson, Tx. Lk. Jackson is right next to Dr. Pauls home city of Surfside. It will be at the Lake Jackson Community Center, 333 Hwy 332 @ the Oyster Creek exit., from 1 - 4 pm. Ron Paul will be the keynote speaker. All Texas Meet-up Groups are encouraged to attend. Live Music, Food, Festivities. Lk Jackson is 60 mi south of Houston (40 min by car). Come on out, bring the family, bring a friend or two.

For additional email me @ ricknhouston@gmail.com

literatim

02-08-2008, 02:39 AM

The Republican Party has rejected him ... and committed suicide! It's time to move on ... I, for one am ready to establish "THE NEW AMERICAN PARTY" ... All for one and One for All!

Then please, go start it and leave us alone.

RobJinFlorida

02-08-2008, 03:04 AM

National Campaign Underway!!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=115814

manny

02-08-2008, 03:53 AM

It's going to be tough but we must now try to make sure Ron is the conservative vote (what a lot of people somehow thought Romney was) versus the socialism and illegal-alien loving of McCain and Huckabee. So we've had NY and Cali but McCain is, no matter what the media say, still some way from getting the 1100 he needs. We've got to make a big stand in Texas. Surely they can't vote for a guy who works with Ted Kennedy to give amnesty.

Check out freerepublic etc - people are waking up to the fact Ron's the last conservative standing. We must wake them up faster.

Start off with taxes, illegal immigration, gun rights, abortion - issues dear to Ron's heart - get conservatives on-side first rather than blazing in ranting about Iraq and 9/11... just my advice.

boondoggle

02-08-2008, 03:59 AM

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=115840

brunner

02-08-2008, 09:37 AM

Only four states have the sore loser laws. The only big one is Texas, and there's probably legal basis for challenging it, or loopholes like having him as an independent instead of a specific third party in these states.

Bingo... I've been thinking that an indie run would be ideal for a while now.

Does anyone know how much that would actually cost?

kaligula

02-08-2008, 10:00 AM

The Tea Leaves point to a LP run, if you have been paying attention...

fedup100

02-08-2008, 10:05 AM

READ!!!!!!!

PLEASE READ THE EMAILS BELOW TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN WIN. THE FOLLOWING LINK IS ALSO A GOOD READ. PLEASE GO TO YOUR CAUCUS AND BECOME A DELEGATE. Thanks for all you are doing to save our country!

The Strategy is Working... A Must Read...
http://ron-paul-campaign.blogspot.com/2008/02/super-tuesday-winner.html
----- Original Message -----
Becoming a delegate takes less time than it does to read the following:

PEOPLE PLEASE READ THIS SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN WIN THE NOMINATION AND STOP LISTENING TO THE MSM FOR YOUR INFO!
Posted February 6th, 2008 by SGP

I hope someone will put this on the front page so it doesn't get lost.

The MSM is not reporting how to become the nominee in a situation like this so i will tell you to stop gettin g your info from the MSM.

I know many of you are bummed about yesterday BUT THAT IS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE ELECTION SYSTEM WORKS : Let me explain to you the reality of how to become the nominee.

First stop looking at who wins each states popular vote for most of these states the vote by the people is really nothing but a straw poll and have no real bearing on who will become the nominee. The only way this matters i s if 1 person receives 1192 delegates that are bound by state rules to be commited to that candidate. So if a candiate like Mccain has 600 delegates now and he doesn't reach 1192 most of the delegates the state awarded him mean nothing and keep in mind in most of the states most of the people that represent the 600 for Mccain are actually Ron Paul supporters. NOW there is no possible way that anyone in the race can achieve this goal now because of the major split in state wins by the candidates.

So what happens now you ask? You look at the number of delegates that Dr. Paul has that are uncommited to the other candidates and will support him. these delegates are not decided by the popular vote ie: straw poll of the people. Since no one will have enough delegates to skate them through to the nomination we now must look at how many delegates NOT VOTES but delegates Dr. Paul has that are 100% uncommited to the other candidates and will be 100% for Dr. Paul and are free to vote for whom they wish.

This race will go all the way to the convention for there is no other way for someone to receive the nomintaion untill the convention.

The RNC will convene its annual Winter Meeting - and voters will continue to cast their ballots in the nation's primaries and caucuses. Candidates for delegate and alternate delegate to the convention will be elected - and thousands of convention participants and guests will begin planning their trips to Minneapolis-Saint Paul The first week in September 2008

SO WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN?

This means that all of the people that registered to become a deligate for Dr. Paul can go to the convention and cast thier vote for Dr. Paul, now think about what i just said : Do you think for one second that all the people that voted for Dr. Paul and filed to become a deligate will not show up at the convention to vote for the good Doctor? Of course they will just like they battled the rain and the sleet and the 15 below zero winter weather to knock on doors and wave signs spreading our message.

Now i assure you that even though we didn't win the popular vote in many states WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW. So yes they won the straw poll and we won what counts which is delegates.

Doesn't Dr. Paul need to WIN 5 states to be on the ballot at the convention for the nomination?

NO THIS IS NOT TRUE for people were just confused on how it actually works.

We only need the majority of delegates from 5 states to be put on the ballot NOT THE POPULAR VOTE OF 5 STATES and i assure you we have picked up the majority of uncommitted delegates for Dr. Paul in more than 5 states.

Do any of you remember seeing posts by myself and many others that said BECOME A DELEGATE? There is still time in most states to become a delegate for the convention and we are picking up more of them every day.

So please STOP you worry too much because you do not understand how the election system works and you thought we lost didn't you?

The fact is Dr. Paul is a genius in his strategy and we are further ahead in delegates than you think and we can win the nomination.

I hope this gives a better understanding of how we have been winning even though most of you thought we were not.

NOW LET'S KEEP WORKING!

Dr. Steve Parent

--
This message was sent by Stuart Grant (boulder@dccnet.com) from The Bellingham Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group.
To learn more about Stuart Grant, visit his/her member profile

brunner

02-08-2008, 10:51 AM

Okay, are you suggesting that McCain will get less than 477 of the remaining 1017 delegates? Because that's what would have to happen for us to go to a brokered convention. Why do you think Mitt dropped out? They're not going to let that happen.

klamath

02-08-2008, 10:59 AM

yeah i need a link... im feeling pretty apathetic right about now.

I know where you are at. I realized it was over after NH and became pretty apothetic, however after a while you realize this is a movement of ideas and we have one hell of an organization network set up for these ideas. This is the launch place for all future small government candidates!

SteveMartin

02-08-2008, 11:10 AM

WE NEED FOR PEOPLE TO MEET THE REAL JOHN McCAIN IN HUGE NUMBERS AND IMMEDIATELY.

Everything else will fail.

Dr. Paul made a start with his speech yesterday. WE mush do the rest!!

Start chanting "songbird" (see the thread in "other candidates") at all McCain rallies...,etc...

familydog

02-08-2008, 11:19 AM

We need to focus on destroying McCain. Its not hard and is what I'm doing right now. You just can't act like a lunatic while doing it.

Zeeder

02-08-2008, 11:24 AM

How many BOUND first round delegates does Mccain have? That is the true number that needs to be 1191 or whatever.

IRO-bot

02-08-2008, 11:35 AM

I'd rather see him re-claim his house seat. Do you think he can win with a third-party?

yongrel

02-08-2008, 11:41 AM

Unfortunately, I think the forum is gonna be like this until April 30th, when RP's book comes out. So many people are seeing so many different things when they look at the campaign and movement now. The only way for the attitude to change at this point would be for Doctor Paul to say something big. Otherwise, we'll have to wait until we get our marching orders from the #1 New York Times Bestseller.

amy31416

02-08-2008, 11:44 AM

WilliamC

02-08-2008, 11:45 AM