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max
08-09-2007, 01:09 PM
The American-Israel Lobby is sending 80 Congressmen to Israel this August!!! That's 20% of the whole US congress.

We might as well just move the whole US capitol to Tel Aviv! They own the Congress anyway (except for Ron Paul and a few others)

sickening...

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/2902

Mesogen
08-09-2007, 06:19 PM
When do they get a free trip to tropical Guantanamo Bay?

Perry
08-09-2007, 06:28 PM
The American-Israel Lobby is sending 80 Congressmen to Israel this August!!! That's 20% of the whole US congress.

We might as well just move the whole US capitol to Tel Aviv! They own the Congress anyway (except for Ron Paul and a few others)

sickening...


Stop being paranoid. Jews do not own the U.S.

hard@work
08-09-2007, 06:37 PM
Stop being paranoid. Israelis do not own the U.S.

Fixed that for you. The issue is a foreign government issue, not a race or religious one.

:)

davids
08-10-2007, 12:37 AM
they say travel broadens the mind so lets not knock it !

i hope our esteemed representatives will be calling in on some of Israel's neighbours whilst they are there .
maybe then there would be a chance of reducing the financal support that Israel enjoys /needs to defend itself .
i'm all for that

Darren McFillintheBlank
08-10-2007, 12:44 AM
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Perry
08-10-2007, 12:44 AM
Fixed that for you. The issue is a foreign government issue, not a race or religious one.

:)

Jews and Israelis are one in the same. The government in Israel are Jews.
Those Jews do not control our nation.

davids
08-10-2007, 12:52 AM
Jews and Israelis are one in the same. The government in Israel are Jews.
Those Jews do not control our nation.

not so , most American jews consider themselves American .
Hassidic jews do not consider themselves Israeli .
Alot of them don't recognise the state of Israel .

Darren McFillintheBlank
08-10-2007, 12:52 AM
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davids
08-10-2007, 12:56 AM
many decorated Israeli veterans have spoken out against the occupation as well .

Perry
08-10-2007, 12:57 AM
Perry,

Not all Jews are Zionist creeps. Many Jews oppose the occupation. Some orthodox Jews even oppose the creation of the state of Israel based on biblical principles.

The problem is with the Israeli government, the American Israeli PAC (currently on trial for spying on the US with one Bush Administration co-conspirator already convicted) and politicians like Rom Emanuel who has dual citizenship.

No need to educate me on the situation as i am already aware.
Most Jews in Israel support themselves and their land i assure you.

Perry
08-10-2007, 12:58 AM
many decorated Israeli veterans have spoken out against the occupation as well .

Israels fight with terrorism is not the same as Americas and anyone who believes this needs to study some history.

Darren McFillintheBlank
08-10-2007, 01:00 AM
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Perry
08-10-2007, 01:05 AM
Perry,

The Israelis do NOT support themselves.

US tax dollars support them. Time for them to get out and break a sweat like any honest Palestinian would.

You are speaking out of pure ignorance & bigotry. If you think Ron Paul feels the same way you have a few things to learn. Yes Israel gets funding from the US that may not be justified but they as a people are every bit as worthwhile and hard working as your family.

They do support themselves. Don't forget the other 100 nations of the world the US funds in the same way. Why single out the Jews?

Sorry, Israel isn't going anywhere.

Darren McFillintheBlank
08-10-2007, 01:19 AM
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lucius
08-10-2007, 01:25 AM
“Moreover, the Lobby’s campaign to squelch debate about Israel is unhealthy for democracy. Silencing skeptics by organizing blacklists and boycotts—or by suggesting that critics are anti-Semites—violates the principle of open debate upon which democracy depends. The inability of the U.S. Congress to conduct a genuine debate on these vital issues paralyzes the entire process of democratic deliberation. Israel’s backers should be free to make their case and to challenge those who disagree with them. But efforts to stifle debate by intimidation must be roundly condemned by those who believe in free speech and open discussion of important public issues.”


The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
March 2006

http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011/$File/rwp_06_011_walt.pdf

hard@work
08-10-2007, 01:47 AM
Jews and Israelis are one in the same. The government in Israel are Jews.
Those Jews do not control our nation.


No, only racists feel this way. Or people that want to shut down discussion and move into calling anti-semitism. Sorry, not going to fly here. Israel is a country, not a race or religion. They have a government just like we do, and we should treat it as such.