Anyone besides me cringe when RP...

[ruzz]

Talks about global warming?

peace out.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Talks about global warming?

peace out.

I cringe when I see your ugly face.

peace out

[rockandrollsouls]

no. global warming is a normal cycle. sheeple and idiots might cringe since they don't research anything and take what the media spoonfeeds them. So it's probably best if Ron Paul doesn't talk about that unless he explains it thoroughly to people, because if you knew about what global warming really is, you wouldn't cringe.

[Trigonx]

You have all these other issues to think about such as...... FOREIGN POLICY, MONETARY POLICY, civil liberties... and here you are cringing when he talks about Global warming(he is neutral to it since there are 2 sides to the story not just the one that is stuffed into our heads by the TV).

[affa]

to quote myself from a different thread:

I do believe global warming exists. It's a huge issue to me, and it's one definite place I disagree with libertarians on. However, I do think Ron Paul makes some great points. Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC2V6dq9qkI
starting at 4 minutes.
Note that he's the only candidate:
1. providing a path to getting off fossil fuels.
2. talking about ending ethanol and other subsidies
3. talking about LEGALIZING hemp!
4. talking about DEPLETED URANIUM. A presidential candidate talking about this is huge.
5. talking about a very different type of environmental protection - property rights. Note that this is where I don't totally agree with libertarians.
Basically, while I don't agree with him on all aspects of libertarian theory, I do think he has the most robust solution. I also think he has, by FAR, the best understanding of the petro-dollar and its role in the wars of this century. Given that he is a candidate for peace, this also means he has a great interest in ending our reliance on oil and ending the petro-dollar (by re-instituting the gold standard).
Basically, what I'm saying here is that Ron Paul understands the economics of war. And he wants to pull the carpet out from under the bankers, oilmen, and military industrial complex. If we're talking about the environment, we must realize that war is the destroyer. Anyone who is truly pro-peace and pro-environment MUST research these issues. Ron Paul is the only one even talking about them.

[nullvalu]

You've been conditioned by the media to cringe whenever someone doubts the religion of global warming.

[MyKillK]

People need to stop using the term global warming. While warming can happen, that is not the only or most profound effect of massive world-wide greenhouse gas infusion.

Global climate instability is a much more accurate term.

[golf247]

No

[LibertyRevolution]

The planet undergoes massive climate changes, it happens without us, the time we spend trying to fight global warming would be more productively spent on figuring out what exactly what changes are happening and what the end result will be so we can plan better for the future.

[cska80]

Did you guys believe in the global cooling scare in the 80's as well? How about acid rain? Or DDT? Gullable little girls, you are.

[hillertexas]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2130/2084239327_b5079736de_o.gif

[billjarrett]

You also have to consider the audience he was targetting...

Conservatives normally aren't into the global warming bit.

[ruzz]

Did you guys believe in the global cooling scare in the 80's as well? How about acid rain? Or DDT? Gullable little girls, you are.

It was really cold in the 80's

peace out

[skgai]

Let's just say the climate does goes through natural changes. What do you do when the Maldives goes underwater or Florida sinks? No matter the reason everyone agrees the temperatures are changing. What are we going to do about it?

[PlzPeopleWakeUp]

nt

[LEK]

Global warming is another guilt trip put on the American people. We are led to believe that only the Government can fix it and it will require us to give up even more civil liberties to stem the warming of the planet, the melting of the polar icecaps, and the imminent destruction of us all.

Just like the War-On-Terror mind games (why are our borders wide open?)
Just like the War-On Drugs mind games (why are our borders wide open?)

[Phantom]

It is obvious that global warming is real and it is also a fact that it is a natural phenomenon that the earth goes through from time to time.

Simply Google: history of climate change or global warming and you will see it is natural.

http://www.scotese.com/images/globaltemp.jpg

http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm (http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm)

[rockandrollsouls]

Liberty, quote for truth. And thanks for putting some REAL info in here, not Al gore speak.


Anyone want to try and nominate Ron for the nobel prize? He deserves it more than gore does =)

[Paul10]

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[MsDoodahs]

Did you guys believe in the global cooling scare in the 80's as well? How about acid rain? Or DDT? Gullable little girls, you are.

lol, global cooling...wasn't it Ted Danson who did those ads saying the planet would be deep in an ice age and we'd all be dead by the year 2000? Trying to scare everyone to death, trying to get legislation passed to favor their buddies...and donations to their favorite organizations...

The more things change, the more they stay the same. ;)

[speciallyblend]

Global warming has seemed to gave us record snowfall amounts in colorado ,hmmm i guess we are in a ice age now. i like to call them natural cycles ,brrrrrrrr

[Trigonx]

stopping the world from heating up is like trying to stop hurricanes from forming or tornadoes from touching down.

[m72mc]

Talks about global warming?

peace out.

watch this

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3309910462407994295&q=global+warming&total=27547&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=6

[Oyate]

I'll tell you what's incontrovertible. Global stupiding. All the data points to it.

[JoshLowry]

Not really. There are good arguments for both sides.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

No, because some of us believe the SCIENCE instead of BS propaganda...

[Thomas Paine]

It is becoming more evident with each passing day that more and more scientists are concluding that Global Warming is junk science. But, hey, at least Al Gore got to make $100 Million selling Global Warming to a bunch of idiots.

[QCB79]

I'll tell you what's incontrovertible. Global stupiding. All the data points to it.


:D:D:D:D:D yep that universal , knows no bounds and theres no cure

[Azprint]

Oh noes, global warming thread! Al Gore is so full of shit and people buy his crap, oh the humanity.

[ruzz]

Who are the scientists that debunk global warming, or whatever you want to call it? Is there a debate somewhere I can see or read?

peace out.

[blakjak]

The environment is definitely not one of his stronger issues.

[Crickett]

Well..you right. Imagine just how much gas one tank throws into the atmosphere..sure is a lot more gas guzzling and smoke and firing and bombs when we are anywhere in the world..

[libertythor]

Studies from UNAM state that a cooling trend will commence within 30 years.

[Johncjackson]

To be completely honest, the only people I know that are fans of Al Gore's global warming beliefs are far left Dems, extreme enviros, and socialists.

Everyone I know that could be described as conservative, libertarian, or even someone who believes in science at all, they all think it's BS.

[theczar1776]

global warning just an excuse for more power/control/money just look at who profits from the scare

[MyKillK]

I would give anyone a million dollars to show me proof that the actions of humans do not effect the the climate.

I don't think anyone could, because it does.

HOW we effect the climate should be the real debate. We need to get rid of overly simplistic terms like global warming and global cooling because temperature is not what is directly impacted.

Temperature changes are a result of climate INSTABILITY. We are altering the weather patterns. THAT is the real danger. Some places will be warmer, some will be cooler (snow in Tokyo??). Percipitation levels will change. Hurricanes may become stronger and more prevalant, or disappear completely. Who knows, but this is what should be studied.

I think science is making a huge mistake by focusing on global temperature levels. If the government, led by the Dems, were to undertake a huge program to try and eliminate "global warming" I think it would be absolutely disastrous.

We need better focused science. The debate has been hijacked by "global warming" and we're never going to improve anything under that line of thought.

[Joe3113]

I'm a vegan and an environmentalist and I can say, with confidence, that man-mad global warming is a complete globalist scam.

[werdd]

youl be cringing when we are all involved in a carbon tax credit system.

[PlzPeopleWakeUp]

nt

[theczar1776]

yeah worry about carbon dioxide but shut up about mercury and nerve gas/chemtrails

[billjarrett]

I would give anyone a million dollars to show me proof that the actions of humans do not effect the the climate.

I don't think anyone could, because it does.

HOW we effect the climate should be the real debate. We need to get rid of overly simplistic terms like global warming and global cooling because temperature is not what is directly impacted.

Temperature changes are a result of climate INSTABILITY. We are altering the weather patterns. THAT is the real danger. Some places will be warmer, some will be cooler (snow in Tokyo??). Percipitation levels will change. Hurricanes may become stronger and more prevalant, or disappear completely. Who knows, but this is what should be studied.

I think science is making a huge mistake by focusing on global temperature levels. If the government, led by the Dems, were to undertake a huge program to try and eliminate "global warming" I think it would be absolutely disastrous.

We need better focused science. The debate has been hijacked by "global warming" and we're never going to improve anything under that line of thought.

Easy answer for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_proof

[traitorist]

the earth warms, the earth cools. end of discussion.

[freelance]

Didn't cringe in the least. The last thing I want is a global UN tax on living my life--what a nice little back door to global gummint.

[MyKillK]

Easy answer for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_proof

That's fine, but arguing that climate instability is not caused by humans because there's no proof that it is uses the same fallacy.

But I guess that's where the debate comes in because there isn't overwhelming evidence in either direction.

[Janet0116]

No. I'm not scared of Global Warming, Terrorism, not having Health Insurance or any of the other fear tactics du jour. I'm very brave. :)

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,944914,00.html

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I'm a vegan and an environmentalist and I can say, with confidence, that man-mad global warming is a complete globalist scam.

Exactly... I am a PAID member of Greenpeace, believe we need to stop polluting the air and yet agree 100%. It's a total scam.

[FreeTraveler]

People need to stop using the term global warming. While warming can happen, that is not the only or most profound effect of massive world-wide greenhouse gas infusion.

Global climate instability is a much more accurate term.

Yes, this week at least. You're probably too young to remember the 60's, when they were telling us that an ICE AGE was just around the corner. Then it was going to be global warming, now it's called instability. Next week it will be little green men from mars if we don't panic about the "instability"

There should be an official "Fear of the Week" release from FedGov, so we know what to worry about now. They could wrap it in with the "Weekly War On" announcement so we know who we're supposed to hate this week too.

[FreeTraveler]

Let's just say the climate does goes through natural changes. What do you do when the Maldives goes underwater or Florida sinks? No matter the reason everyone agrees the temperatures are changing. What are we going to do about it?

I'M going to move to higher ground. Smart people will. The rest will puff up, cry, and wait for the government to come around and tell them what to do.

This has happened many times in recorded history. How come this is the first time there has to be a World War against it? Get some perspective, folks.

[billjarrett]

That's fine, but arguing that climate instability is not caused by humans because there's no proof that it is uses the same fallacy.

But I guess that's where the debate comes in because there isn't overwhelming evidence in either direction.

I agree.

And I am not in the global warming bandwagon at all. However, I do believe in conservation for the sake of conserving. There is no reason to excessively (I guess this would be up to the person as to what they think excessive is) pollute the environment, not recycle, etc.. Just I feel I don't need to be scared into doing.

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

anything is "unstable" the closer you inspect something. It's the law of sampling data.
This table looks stable until I peer into its atomic structure and see molecules zooming too and fro.
The weather only appears unstable because we have a lot more data to catch the fluctuations.

The fact is we've been cooling since peak warmth in 1998 even though CO2 emissions are higher than ever.

Deforestation and pollution and energy dependence are simply unintelligent things to do for the advancement of society.
But since people aren't awake they only get motivated by fear, so the politicians see themselves as brokers - taking a little of the top while doing the work the people don't want to do to protect the environment.

[FreeTraveler]

That's fine, but arguing that climate instability is not caused by humans because there's no proof that it is uses the same fallacy.

But I guess that's where the debate comes in because there isn't overwhelming evidence in either direction.

You need a refresher in the Scientific Method. Arguing that Global Warming is caused by humans without proof is every bit as valid as arguing it's caused by little green men. The amount of proof available in either case is the same.

[Tdcci]

HOW we effect the climate should be the real debate. We need to get rid of overly simplistic terms like global warming and global cooling because temperature is not what is directly impacted.

Climate Change.