In Virginia, a Vote for Huckabee is a vote for Paul [Moderator: Info is unverified]

[No1ButPaul08]

Yes! This is true. We must stop John McCain from winning VA. Votes for Ron here are worthless.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=114659

[Please stop spamming this all over the board. Thank You. -- Moderator]

[sfojody]

YES - THIS IS TRUE! The Huckabee Trolls are circling now that pretty boy Romney has folded his tent. Vote your conscience or do not vote at all. The logic purported by so-called "ronpaul08" is flawed. A vote for Huckabee is a vote for the status quo. Send a message to the Republican establishment (i am a life long Republican) - VOTE RON PAUL!

[wv@SC]

Huckabee is a traitor and is going to fold his hand at the least opportune moment for RP and the most advantageous for himself. You got to remember these guys aren't spring chickens - they know what they are about.
Vote for RON PAUL and sleep well - you'll regret it if you vote for Upchuckabee.

[jumpyg1258]

I wish these trolls would stop posting this "In insert state name here, a vote for Huckabee is a vote for Paul" crap. A vote for Paul is a vote for Paul, PERIOD, END OF STORY, END OF DISCUSSION.

[No1ButPaul08]

Huckabee is a traitor and is going to fold his hand at the least opportune moment for RP and the most advantageous for himself. You got to remember these guys aren't spring chickens - they know what they are about.
Vote for RON PAUL and sleep well - you'll regret it if you vote for Upchuckabee.

In VA, delegates are elected seperately from the primary. RP people can still become a backroom delegate. But for these delegates to matter we need a brokered convention.

The first, big step, is voting for Huckabee in VA.

[jumpyg1258]

No1ButPaul08, stop telling people to vote for Huckabee everywhere. I see your starting to post this crap for every state thus I highly doubt your really for Paul.

[No1ButPaul08]

No1ButPaul08, stop telling people to vote for Huckabee everywhere. I see your starting to post this crap for every state thus I highly doubt your really for Paul.

Please read this whole thread and tell me how it undermines RP besides reducing his MEANINGLESS vote totals in some states.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=114659

Voting, Delegates...none of this matters unless there is a brokered convention. What do people fail to see here

[ShowMeLiberty]

I wish these trolls would stop posting this "In insert state name here, a vote for Huckabee is a vote for Paul" crap. A vote for Paul is a vote for Paul, PERIOD, END OF STORY, END OF DISCUSSION.

+1

Start reporting the threads.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Interesting tactic.

First a vote for Huckabee is a vote for Baby Jesus.

Now a vote for Huck is a vote for Paul.

Soon a vote for Huck will be a vote for Thomas Jefferson.



What I really want to know is, when Huckabee drops out, will all the votes for Huck end up as votes for McCain? I wouldn't doubt it, Huck has kissed McCain's liberal butt numerous times.

[No1ButPaul08]

unverified????

Virginia is a Winner Take All 67 delegate state. Simply put, a prize. These delegates are bound for 1 ballot.

The delegates are elected in a event different from the primary, which leads to RP delegates.

These delegates are worthless unless there is brokered convention. We can not expect RP to start winning states. We can, however, expect Mike Huckabee to and help lead to a brokered convention, where after one ballot, RP's VA delegates can switch there support. If we want any chance for a brokered convention HUCKABEE HAS TO WIN VIRGINIA

Edit: Somebody, anybody, please tell me how this hurts Ron Paul

[mayorofarlington]

i'm in arkansas, voted absentee in virginia. enough of this "voting against someone" crap, go vote for the guy who you think can best lead the country.

i voted for ron paul.

[No1ButPaul08]

i'm in arkansas, voted absentee in virginia. enough of this "voting against someone" crap, go vote for the guy who you think can best lead the country.

i voted for ron paul.

Votes in VA for Ron Paul are worthless. Delegates however are not. The only way Ron Paul can win delegate from Virginia is if Mike Huckabee wins and the convention becomes brokered. Everything else is a pipe dream

[SweetMona]

I was reading another thread and I like Matt’s magic red pill! This works! Read, copy and forward this page to everyone you know who are loyal supporters of Huckie. Good concrete info here..


What I e-mailed my Baptist sister about Huckabee

My sister is a stay at home Baptist mom who home schools; all of the stereotypes apply.


Huck was in town recently and she fwd me a message to her home schooler group of roughly 50 or so other like minded parents. Fortunately she isn't that bright and she "cc"d everyone on the list HA HA. So I promptly replied to her including everyone in that list hitting "reply to all"


Here is what I sent:


_______________________________________________
Hey Sister -

I hope you are not considering voting for Mike Huckabee?
If you are considering giving him your vote, I think there are some things you should know about him first...



Did you know that Huckabee lied about having a theology degree?

"Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee told the Christian Broadcasting Network he had a theology degree, he told voters in Iowa he had a theology degree, he repeated the claim in last month's CNN YouTube debate ... but, his campaign now says, it was not true."
The article is here:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...ICLE_ID=59222# (http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59222)



As governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee aggressively pushed for the early release of a convicted rapist despite being warned by numerous women that the convict had sexually assaulted them or their family members, and would likely strike again. The convict went on to rape and murder at least one other woman.
Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/1...e_n_75362.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/04/documents-expose-huckabee_n_75362.html)


As governor, Huckabee was a tax-raiser to put till Clinton shame.
In this short video you can see Huckabee begging for a tax increase:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaJW7nXw30A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaJW7nXw30A)



Also troubling is Huckabee's support for illegal immigration.
As governor, he helped Arkansas serve as a magnet for illegal immigrants who wanted jobs in the Tyson chicken plants or in-state tuition rates unavailable to American citizens from neighboring states. And he also approved a Mexican consulate generously offered up to the Mexican government for free.


Here is a video of Huckabee begging for scholarships for illegal immigrants:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BxJBUswOcQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BxJBUswOcQ)

The articles about Huckabee's pro-illegal immigration stance are here:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=59047 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59047)
and
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/...ws/316813.html (http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/02/03/News/316813.html)

and
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/...ws/316347.html (http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/01/28/News/316347.html)




A few weeks ago while on national TV Huckabee made a very sick and improper joke about suicide: "...I'd have to be sitting in a warm tub of water with razor blades in both hands..."
This is not a remark that someone who could be the next President should be joking about.
You can watch the video clip here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-2Sb7dFsvM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-2Sb7dFsvM)



There are also many questionable ethics violations by Huckabee as governor:
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.c...E3B4881CA2FA0F (http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=62EA31BE-3048-5C12-00E3B4881CA2FA0F)


Huckabee’s named one of 10 most wanted corrupt politicians on www.judicialwatch.org (http://www.judicalwatch.org/)
Washington, DC –Judicial Watch, the public interest group that
investigates and prosecutes government corruption, today released its
2007 list of Washington’s “Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians.”

“6. Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR): Governor Huckabee enjoyed a
meteoric rise in the polls in December 2007, which prompted a more
thorough review of his ethics record. According to The Associated
Press: “[Huckabee’s] career has also been colored by 14 ethics
complaints and a volley of questions about his integrity, ranging from
his management of campaign cash to his use of a nonprofit organization
to subsidize his income to his destruction of state computer files on
his way out of the governor’s office.” And what was Governor
Huckabee’s response to these ethics allegations? Rather than
cooperating with investigators, Huckabee sued the state ethics
commission twice and attempted to shut the ethics process down.


Here is an article that points out why Christians should beware of Huckabee
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin411.htm (http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin411.htm)

And also in Mathew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."





I dont know if you still want to vote for Huckabee given the previous information which I hope you have read. I personally recommend voting for Ron Paul.


Ron Paul was an OB/GYN and is staunchly against abortion. He delivered over 4000 babies and never once performed an abortion.

You can see Ron Paul speaking at the National Right to Life convention here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXZpuIXEzWk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXZpuIXEzWk)


Pat Robertson practically endorses Ron Paul in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opEM8tKdOLM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opEM8tKdOLM)
(although for whatever reason he eventually went on to endorse Rudy a pro-abortion candidate).


Radio pastor Chuck Baldwin does indeed endorse Ron Paul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW_sp3Hymac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW_sp3Hymac)

Check out:
http://www.christiansforronpaul.com/ (http://www.christiansforronpaul.com/)

You can also see Ron Paul's statement of faith:
http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm (http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm)


And Ron Paul is HUGE on home schooling and thinks the federal government needs to get OUT of education.
Check out these two pages for more information
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/home-schooling/ (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/home-schooling/)
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/homeschoolers/ (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/homeschoolers/)

And in this brief speech Ron Paul says that giving power to parents is truly pro-education
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=42 (http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=42)



Anyway hopefully that will give you enough information to help you make an informed decision on who to consider voting for. If nothing else, try Googling for Ron Paul and see what responses come back, There are also other countless videos of Ron on YouTube etc.


Love ya much,

-Matt
(your favorite brother)

[tommyzDad]

I'm voting for...

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5941/spam512x384bk6.jpg

cuz we all know it's really a vote for Paul.

[Poltiical_Rebel]

For goodness sakes, anyone but McCain! Just vote Paul and get info out about him at primary places!

[JulioForPaul]

If McCain beats Huckabee in Virginia by 1% (say 45%to 44%) and Ron Paul gets his 11% then we just lost the election. It is that important for McCain not to win Virginia. A brokered convention is RP's only hope. If you can not see the simple logic in voting for Huckabee then you need to turn in your intelligence card. Vote for Huckabee and become a delegate for Paul!

[acroso]

It's winner take-all...

So vote Huckabee to stop McCrazy.

[pinkmandy]

I totally understand the winner take all, I get it. But you know what? I don't CARE. I made a solemn oath to myself to NEVER again use my vote to vote against someone else. I will vote my conscience or not at all. And I will NOT stand outside in the cold all day at a table, promoting Dr. Paul, then turn around and cast my vote for an immoral snake. No thanks- I'm no Benedict Arnold.

Either the convention gets brokered or it doesn't. Personally, I think anyone who thinks the powers that be will allow that are off their rockers and anyone throwing their vote to Huck is being played. They are "letting" Huckabee stay in, when the time is right he will drop and throw his slimey support to McCrazy.

[Hurricane Bruiser]

Well if Paul only shows 1% support in a primary, it looks bad for Paul's ideas and so that is a reason to vote for Paul even if strategically it might not be the best strategy. If Paul is on a ballot, I'd have an awful hard time voting for anyone else.

[pinkmandy]

And I have some questions...

1. Are you a precinct captain?

2. Are you trying to be a delegate?

[nate895]

I agree wholeheartedly, we need to stop McCain, and Huckabee is the only one with a good shot at it right now. We just need for Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee to get a combined total of 54%+ of the remaining delegates. We stop voting for Huckabee when we can be assured that McCain won't get to the point where the GOP delegates can decide the nomination, and also the same for Huckabee. As soon as Huckabee wins 600 more delegates, we vote for Ron Paul again.

[amistybleu]

Maybe you people with this scheme should run it by the campaign.

[pinkmandy]

Maybe you people with this scheme should run it by the campaign.


QFT.

[xcharliex]

Originally Posted by amistybleu
Maybe you people with this scheme should run it by the campaign.

The campaign could never endorse this, even if it is the best strategy. My opinion for what it is worth is that through these forums the strategy can be encouraged as sound but optional.

Option A is for those who believe the best chance for Ron Paul, president, a greater impact or even some power with his delagates over a undecided nomination and that makes it a must to try and stop McCain winning any states where he will win ALL the delegates, including helping Huckabee win, but in states that it is proportional we go hell for leather.

Option B is for those who equally understandably either believe principle is better than strategy and want to vote for RP regardless of the stragetic consequences OR those who have given up on RP having any chance of president or any impact (i.e. perhaps believing the media that McCain has this wrapped up).

Personally I would much rather McCain not win by 1-3% and instead live with 1-3% less in Virginia for RP. Meanwhile in Maryland where it is proportional apparently post what we can.

In Washington State the Campaign basically did just such a strategic move, one far less important than stopping McCain getting every single delegate in Virgina, when they suggested that RP voters mark undecided (in the interests of gaining more delegates rather than a win in the straw poll with no delegates involved...check the Winning Washington Forum). If even half the undecideds were Ron Paul supporters doing what the Campain asked, which wouldnt be surprising these votes could have put RP in the winners circle. Two for MH and one for RP would have been very nice headlines and a real dampener for McCain's momentum, but Campaign is trying to win delegates and just like the Huckabee campaign, praying McCain does get the delegates to lock this up.

Now being an Aussie I am able to bet on these things and I had RP at 50-1 to win Washington so when I heard about these tactics I went damn, but I understand them and and am not bitter. I just wish Huckabee had of been ahead and not that it meant they could 'claim' a win for McCain.

In war against a bigger opponent it is smart to make any other enemy with mutual interest your friend, and right now we need to be Sun Tzu in our approach to have any chance against McCain and the GOP power elite who have now prematurely annointed him.

McCain is weak, in South Carolina this year for his great trumpeted "triumph" he got like 10% less votes than the "failure" against Bush. RP was always a long shot but we have a great opportunity against a weak opponent, but it is Huckabee who is the key right now. The US didn't like Stalin, but as soon as they became the Hitler's eneny they became our friend and it was the Eastern Front that turned the war and without US help the Eastern front would have fallen. Mike Huckabee might not be everyone's cup of tea, but he is a lot better than Stalin.

I personally feel if McCain loses Virginia he is finished.

Cheers!

[xcharliex]

Republican Primaries / Primaries 09 February / Washington Caucus
Any Other Back 10-Feb-08
02:23 50 26.54 50 10-Feb-08 02:23

RP was listed under "any other" and Romney, who dropped out, was listed under his name...how stupid was that.

[liberteebell]

One word: momentum.

As we've all seen, the sheep don't give a damn about anything more than picking a winner.

Although I understand this strategy, and it has merit, I don't think I can participate.

RP has finally arrived at double digits. Hard enough to sell the unelectability factor.

Both huck and mc100war have baggage but mc100war is easier to take down over the long run, IMO, even if he does win Virginia. Just look at all the websites and such that have popped up against mc100war!!!! I think republicans could actually justify huck to themselves if they had to.

I don't want to contribute to anyone's upward momentum unless it's Ron Paul's.

[hawks4ronpaul]

RP supporters already voted for a Huckabee victory in WV so Huckabee supporters should vote for an RP victory in VA.

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

[liberteebell]

RP supporters already voted for a Huckabee victory in WV so Huckabee supporters should vote for an RP victory in VA.

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

I like your thinking!!:D

[xcharliex]

Originally Posted by hawks4ronpaul
RP supporters already voted for a Huckabee victory in WV so Huckabee supporters should vote for an RP victory in VA.

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

I second that. Also we already found out that when we help Huckabee he just ends up denying that he recieved any help or at least denies there was any deals made. Huckabee is a snake and it's a shame that even the "very elect" don't see it .

This has nothing to do with helping Huckabee, this is about end result for RP. Without the decision in West Virginia a tougher opponent than Huckabee Romney might still be in the race (look at Washington he polled almost as much as the top 3 and he isn't even in the race anymore) and instead of Romney probably winning Washington, we almost had a first past the post win for RP in WA and he will romp in on the delegate count it seems. Huckabee cannot get enough votes to win, but McCain can and if we help stop that either directly or indirectly McCain is finished. Please argue the merits and by all means shoot down the idea on passion and voting principle, but what Huckabee is or did is irrelevant to the discussion.

I am an Aussie who thinks RP is awesome, have hated how the media treated him and have enjoyed putting a little money on him as very long odds. You will be lucky if the media even reports RP's % he will get in VA, and no one but us RP supporters will care if he got 10 or 17%, just that he came third. We needs wins and we need McCain not to get those 1,100 votes, then we will have some fun and games and Ron Paul will have a bunch of delegates (many from WA) to throw around.

But one thing, if you believe the VA poll taken before Saturday and immediately post Romney out (which I think may well have shifted considerably from the dynamics since) Huckabee has no chance, so then there is no point.

[ToryNotion]

Tomorrow may be the only chance I ever get in my life to vote for Ron Paul short of writing him in and I'm not going to throw that chance away to play Machiavelli.

[xcharliex]

I fully respect that view, I am being a bit more optomistic and hoping that a 'hung' result at the end of all these primaries might give you a second chance to vote for our 350-1 shot at being the Republican nominee (I prefered these odds to the 500-1 to be president and have a nice little ).

[xcharliex]

If you want to see the odds you can see them on www.betfair.com and under serach type in "Presidential" they have odds on the primaries as well. RP as I said was (I thought) a rediculous 50-1 for the Washington Caucus.

[RonRules]

I agree with the original poster. We have to be reasonable about this. If there is no chance at all for Ron Paul in a particular state, we have to encourage a candidate that will help a brokered convention.

It's a simple strategy, just like the Ron Paul supporters did in Western Virginia. That win helped wake up Huckabee's campaign.

[xcharliex]

I just went for a look on Huckabee's site (I was curious where he was concentrating his campaigning appearances) and saw this stupid statement on a blog

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Blogs.Home

Path to win through a Brokered Convention

1) McCain can be prevented from winning 1191 delegates.
According to RealClearPolitics McCain has 720 delegates & still needs
471 to win.
That means he has to get 44% of the remaining delegates to secure 1191.

2) So Huckabee needs to win 57% of the remaining delegates to force this
to a Brokered Convention.

............................

Now I understand the big media ignoring RP, but NO idiot, Huckabee does not need 57% he only needs 57% less the delegates RP will get, like the majority he will get in WA.

[mcvac]

Hey Virginia!

This is a game (sort of) and you can't win unless you play it with some stategy...The ONLY way Dr. Paul can become the nominee at this point is to get to a brokered convention...I know this sounds unreasonable to expect your vote to go to someone other than Ron Paul...But

We have to beat Mccain who is polling high...The only way is to ensure the outcome we want.

We have to be smart about this. And we are smarter than them..Look at the stealth delegates we already have in place..We just have to lose our personal pride for the greater good...Which sucks...but think of WV and you'll know that they played the game to our advantage..

Any poker players out there who can help with an anology that everyone can understand?

[stevedasbach]

Tomorrow may be the only chance I ever get in my life to vote for Ron Paul short of writing him in and I'm not going to throw that chance away to play Machiavelli.

+1776

Also, I received a robocall from Dr. Paul today reminding me to vote for him tomorrow. He didn't say anything about casting a "strategic vote" for Huckabee. I think I'll do what the good doctor asked me to and vote for him tomorrow.

[Sey.Naci]

If Huck is to win Virginia, he needs to win it himself, with the help of his own supporters.

A low percentage for RP, one that's even lower than what he is polling, would be bad particularly given his recent gains. That momentum must continue.

[xcharliex]

+1776

Also, I received a robocall from Dr. Paul today reminding me to vote for him tomorrow. He didn't say anything about casting a "strategic vote" for Huckabee. I think I'll do what the good doctor asked me to and vote for him tomorrow.

Again let me state there are reasons to go with the strategy of trying to help Huckabee beat McCain in this crucial winner take all one (or not on passion or conscience), but this above is not one of them. In WA the campaign virtually did that in asking members to put undecided which cost RP the win in the beauty contest (and me 50-1 at the bookmakers) so they could 'sneak' in more delegates. But no campaign can publically ask their supporters to vote for another candidate as that would be one time you can be sure RP would get heaps of publicity.

Maybe I'm wrong but if Huckabee wins by 1% tomorrow don't you think champagne will be flowing at RP headquarters, but if he loses by 1& and the media starts hailing John McCain as now having 'yruly' locked in the nomination, they and all of us (me thinks) will let out a big groan wjater RP's percentage.

[xcharliex]

And 'Campaign' in Washington State thought in their wisdom that getting delegates was more important than a huge banner headline fire-up-our-bellies win (that we missed out on). In Virginia the opportunity cost is minicule in comparison (RP is polling 5%) so we are talking only the difference between say 3% and 10% (something like we got at the LA primary I would guess) and let me say that stopping McCain getting delegates is the next best thing to getting our own.

[xcharliex]

On this point is this argument even worth having...what is the feeling there in VA, are those polls (back Thu and Fri with a lot of dynamics since) right and do you think McCain has almost a 2-1 over Huckabee or is the feeling there on the ground that this could be close?

If its not cgoing to be close might as well grab a few more % for RP and the argument is moot.

[hawks4ronpaul]

I agree that Huckabee supporters should vote strategically for RP in VA.

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

[demidog]

In VA, delegates are elected seperately from the primary. RP people can still become a backroom delegate. But for these delegates to matter we need a brokered convention.

The first, big step, is voting for Huckabee in VA.

You are full of crap. Go away, troll.

[Xyrus2]

A brokered convention realistically will not happen, and even if it does Paul will not hold enough sway to become the nominee unless there are a massive amount of delegates out there that secretly support Paul, which as nice as that would be is incredibly unlikely.

The best one could realistically hope for is for Paul to hold the crucial votes. But with Romney openly supporting McCain, what would most likely happen is Huckabee would maneuver to try to get a VP slot. Bam, game over. In fact, that could all be discussed and agreed to before the convention even takes place.

By all means, we should continue to fight tooth and nail for Paul. But you do that by VOTING for Ron Paul, not by voting for the enemy in the tiny hope that by some cosmic alignment that a brokered convention would swing in our favor.

By voting for Huckabee, you only give him more leverage to get what he wants.

~X~

[Todd]

Sorry...I just can't do it...This evening I'm voting for Paul. The same way I would have voted when I got on this thing in July last year. If Huckabee wins, and it's brokered then great.

[klamath]

This is getting sickening. This is just a great stategy! Get huck 1000 delegates and McCain 1000 and RP 200. Yeaw a 1000 degegates are going to break for RP after he received 1% of the popular vote because all RP's supporters voted for Huckabee in the primaries. Yeaw they are going to listen to all the RP turncoats that rally at the convention whinning that really meant to vote for RP. Get freaking real!
Anybody that is advacating this is NOT a RP supporter or if they were have switched to the Huck as a voting for the lesser of two evils thing.

[MrZach]

A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Ron Paul. 'nuff said.

[BiPolarBear]

A vote for RON PAUL counts as a vote for RON PAUL. Nothing else. Stop comparing what we did in WV (at a convention) to a public primary in other states. It just doesn't work the same.

VOTE RON PAUL!

[goldstandard]

Vote for Ron Paul. WV was different: Delegates could not vote for Paul anymore.

[justatrey]

How can this thread still exist? If you vote for Huckabee than you support Huckabee. What a joke.

The campaign has already said if you support Ron Paul, vote Ron Paul!

[JulioForPaul]

I swear if McCain wins by 1 or 2% and Ron Paul gets 6-10% of the vote......... You guys in Virginia will be blamed for losing the chance at a brokered convention.

[remaxjon]

I voted for Ron Paul and it felt oh so good.

[Todd]

I swear if McCain wins by 1 or 2% and Ron Paul gets 6-10% of the vote......... You guys in Virginia will be blamed for losing the chance at a brokered convention.


QFT

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=118223

Just vote for Paul.....No one else.

[Carole]

Huckabe threw away his chance to be VP by refusing to stop his campaign at request of Perry in Texas. He is trying to win.

[Carole]

Please read and vote for Ron Paul.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=118983

[Sky22]

This may be one of those times that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend." Sometimes you make a sacrifice in Chess to get the Check Mate. Certainly, the Campaign couldn't endorse supporting Huckabee in any instance, and I understand your dedication to Dr. Paul. I'm just saying that we have to play smart with the end game in mind! I appreciate your hardwork and dedication to the cause, but we should think w/our heads and not our hearts on the Va. Primary.

[seapilot]

Yes! This is true. We must stop John McCain from winning VA. Votes for Ron here are worthless.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=114659

[Please stop spamming this all over the board. Thank You. -- Moderator]

Please change your name to No1ButHUCK08, so others know where you really stand . If not you should take your own forum name as advice. Vote on principal vote RON PAUL.

[txporchpisser]

Vote for Ron Paul period.

[Todd]

1 more vote for Ron Paul 5:20 PM.:D Bedford Va.

[dblee]

your fucking tactical voting strats leave a nasty taste in my mouth.

[2young2vote]

That is exactly why america is going down. PEOPLE KEEP ON VOTING FOR THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS.

[Sky22]

America is going down because voters are fu$%ing stupid, just like some on here that don't understand the game, and think their conscience is going to make the difference in the election. Guys and Gals, if you don't understand the process please stay out at this time, becuase you're screwing up the only chance, albeit very small that we can turn this into a brokered convention. The Huck/McCain spread is so small, that the Paul votes will ensure McCain's victory and eliminate all chance for brokered convention.

[ShowMeLiberty]

From The Daily Dose on RonPaul2008.com


If You’re for Ron Paul, Vote for Ron Paul
February 11th, 2008 by Dan McCarthy
In a few supporter forums the idea is going around that one way to help Ron Paul might be to vote for Mike Huckabee in the hope that if Huckabee wins enough delegates we might get a brokered convention in the fall. Most of the supporters who like this idea at least say that it should only be tried in those winner-take-all primary states where Ron Paul has the least favorable odds.

I strongly advise against this tactical voting. Ron Paul is serious when he says he wants to win every possible vote as well as every possible national delegate. That includes your vote, even if the state you’re in presents seemingly unsurmountable odds against Dr. Paul. Our candidate is fighting hard for the nomination, and his goal, which should be our goal, is not to try to create a brokered convention, but to win every vote he can. The nomination is at stake, and much more is at stake too, including the future of the Republican Party and the future of the Republic. To build up the Ron Paul revolution, we need to show as much strength as possible in every contest, and we need the support and loyalty of everyone who wants to get back to the Constitution.

The deal worked out between our delegates and Mike Huckabee’s in West Virginia was one thing. Ron Paul was eliminated in the first round of voting and did not appear on the ballot in the second round, so our delegates who voted for Huckabee were not deserting Ron Paul — and, crucially, they were voting for Huckabee only because Huckabee’s people promised three national delegates for Dr. Paul. That kind of bargaining is sound. But voting for a candidate other than Ron Paul when there isn’t any chance of getting delegates for Dr. Paul, merely in the hope of having a brokered convention, only weakens the Ron Paul movement rather than strengthening it. We need every vote.

The same goes for leaving the Republican Party and registering as something else. Ron Paul has said how much he respects third parties. But Dr. Paul is in a fight to take back the Republican Party, and to do that he needs all of us to stay with him. I know this can be unpleasant — I registered as an independent when I moved to Delaware last year, and had to switch my registration back to the Republican Party that had left me years before in order to vote for Ron Paul. But however large the problems of the Republican Party may be (and they’re titanic) the one man in whom I have confidence to bring the party back to small-government, non-interventionist, constitutional principles is Ron Paul. If he’s not going third party, neither am I.

Tomorrow there are critical contests in Virginia, Maryland, and the District of Columbia. If you live in those states, get out and vote — for Ron Paul.

[virginiakid]

Thank you, I wanted to post that. I vote for RP because I support RP. I take offense at someone calling me stupid for voting for RP because they think I don't understand the process. I don't vote for Huckabee because I do not believe in Huckabee and I don't want to vote for Huckabee.

[justatrey]

Anyone thinking we're going to walk into a brokered conventions after winning 0 states and getting about 5% of the vote and steal the nomination needs a serious reality check. Even if its possible I don't even believe Paul would accept the nomination.

What would we do if Paul had won around 1000 delegates, and then McCain shows up with 50 and steals the nomination at a brokered convention?

[Sky22]

okay, prove my point, stupid is as stupid does. 4% does not represent a movement, it represents the difference of GIVING THE NOMINATION to McCAIN rather than keeping our own guy in the running by splitting the vote.

[MGreen]

Guys and Gals, if you don't understand the process please stay out at this time, becuase you're screwing up the only chance
So if they don't decide to cast a strategic vote for Huckabee, they should just not vote at all? You're being a bit extreme.

A Huckabee win should help us, but that doesn't make it wrong to vote your conscience. Besides, thousands of people are voting for RP in Virginia, and I'm sure very few of them actually bother with these sites and these secret plans to reach a brokered convention. They're voting for who they believe should win.

[JulioForPaul]

Way to go guys! You let McCain win by 1%! The election is over! But you really showed the nation with that critical 5% vote for Paul!

I can understand some people not paying attention or simply not caring.....but to all the people criticizing the call to vote for Huckabee so we can get to a brokered convention : "THANKS FOR COSTING US A CHANCE AT A BROKERED CONVENTION"

[dmspilot00]

if you don't understand the process please stay out at this time, becuase you're screwing up the only chance People who vote for Ron Paul are screwing up Ron Pauls chances and should not vote at all? WTF! I smell a troll!

[justatrey]

I'm quite aware of the brokered convention theory, but since we'd still need a miracle to win at a brokered convention I'm voting for Ron Paul.

These are probably the same geniuses who talked us into losing Washington.

Besides, it would be unethical for Paul to accept the nomination with ~5% of the vote and I doubt he would do it.

[Molly1]

If Huckabee drops out we win.

Don't you get it?

The conservative vote is beating Mccain.

As long as Huckabee is in we both lose.

[Prez22]

Yes! This is true. We must stop John McCain from winning VA. Votes for Ron here are worthless.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=114659

[Please stop spamming this all over the board. Thank You. -- Moderator]

I am sick of reading on this forum about dealing with Huckabee or even voting for Huckabee to beat McCain. Stop the nonsense!


DON'T VOTE FOR MIKE HUCKABEE ! ! !
Good grief....... are there no principles here? Mike Huckabee is a warmonger just like McCain. He has Richard Haass, President of the Council on Foreign Relations as a foreign policy advisor and has said he likes and respects Richard Haass. Mike Huckabee is not a principled man. He will raise taxes just like McCain, he will send more troops to fight the war on a noun just like McCain, he will open our arms and our doors to illegals just like McCain. He is a snake in the grass, guarandamnteed.



LIVE FREE OR DIE


VOTE RON PAUL

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...94978715151474 - snake video

[Molly1]

People who vote for Ron Paul are screwing up Ron Pauls chances and should not vote at all? WTF! I smell a troll!

This board is overrun by huckabee supporters.:mad:

Everyone--report them to the moderators.

[virginiakid]

This is the problem with people, they want to vote against somebody because they do not want that person to win. This is why the country is is the shape it is in. It is like the "we have to beat Hillary Clinton at all cost" talk. I cannot vote for somebody who believe contrary to what I believe.

If McCain wins VA it's not because of Paul supporters voting for Paul. It is because McCain had a greater appeal to voters than Huckabee and Paul.

[zadrock]

The real problem is that we forget to tell Romney supporters to vote Huck. Romney + Huck > McCain

Z

[Prez22]

This board is overrun by huckabee supporters.:mad:


I think you are right...... may they all go to hell in a hand basket!

Put that in your pipe and smoke it you neocon ignoramuses!

THIS IS NOT A JOKE!

[virginiakid]

And by the way, instead of getting upset all Paul supporters for voting for Paul, how about going to the 3% of Romney supporters who voted for Romney. So don't give me this crap about I should have voted for a crook and war-monger like Huckabee.

[Prez22]

I agree wholeheartedly, we need to stop McCain, and Huckabee is the only one with a good shot at it right now. We just need for Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee to get a combined total of 54%+ of the remaining delegates. We stop voting for Huckabee when we can be assured that McCain won't get to the point where the GOP delegates can decide the nomination, and also the same for Huckabee. As soon as Huckabee wins 600 more delegates, we vote for Ron Paul again.


INSANITY


TURNCOATS... ALL OF YOU!

[Sky22]

well giving McCain EVERY SINGLE F*CKING delegate in Va is not going to help the cause you [Redacted by Moderator]. They are BOUND and winner takes all.

[TastyWheat]

The only way for Ron Paul to get the nomination is to have a brokered convention, he has said so himself. Yes, we want as many pledged delegates as possible, but any we don't get sure as hell better not go to McCain. Huckabee won't win this thing outright so a vote for Huckabee hurts nothing but our pride.

[virginiakid]

well giving McCain EVERY SINGLE F*CKING delegate in Va is not going to help the cause you [edit for quote]. They are BOUND and winner takes all.

Stop acting so ignorant. I can tell the level of your intelligence by the way you are cussing at everybody.

Like I said. Huckabee lost because he didn't have a strong enough grassroots to win VA. He obviously didn't appeal to other voters that could have swung to him. Huckabee lost because of Huckabee not because of anybody else. Get OVER SELF SKY22.

I AM A PROUD RON PAUL VOTER! TODAY I EXERCISED MY RIGHT TO VOTE AND I VOTED FOR FREEDOM--I VOTED FOR RON PAUL, THE CHAMPION OF THE CONSTITUTION!

[virginiakid]

sKY22, you sound like a die-hard Huckabee fan. In fact I bet you are. I bet you just signed up on this website because you wanted to get RP supporters up in arms. I bet you are a TROLL. Your man lost because of him and because of his grassroots. OH well.

[pinkmandy]

You Huck guys need to get the f*&% off our board. Seriously. I trust Dr. Paul, the man who asked for my vote today. Not you guys. I trust he has the plan, not Huck's Army. Get lost already.

And fwiw Huckies, I'm so glad that I didn't fall for it...WVA was kind enough to help you win but VA RP supporters just told you where to stick it.

[Sky22]

You guys calling me a troll and a Huck supporter would be completely baffled if you only knew how big of a supporter I am of Dr. Paul! I'll leave it to your imagination. Maybe check out some of my other posts...there's not that many as you can see!

[dmspilot00]

and you lost kidd. Pride goeth before the fall. Ignorance is bliss. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. I could go on, but arguing w/you is like teaching a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig. Even if every person that voted for Paul voted for Huckabee instead, McCain still would have won and Paul, having 0 votes, would have lost to people who aren't even running anymore. Go away.

[TastyWheat]

Even if every person that voted for Paul voted for Huckabee instead, McCain still would have won and Paul, having 0 votes, would have lost to people who aren't even running anymore. Go away.
Seriously, who the hell is voting for Giuliani? Now that is definitively a wasted vote.

[Rangeley]

Even if every person that voted for Paul voted for Huckabee instead, McCain still would have won and Paul, having 0 votes, would have lost to people who aren't even running anymore. Go away.

A very good point - I noticed this too. So I definitely dont think we should be hard on anyone for voting RP.

[MGreen]

Now that McCain's lead is greater than Paul's votes, hopefully people will shut up about Virginian patriots voting their conscience.

[Sky22]

boy, the troll accusations sure did slow down. I was beginning to enjoy them. Those ignorant Romney voters wasted their votes along w/the Giuliani and Thompson votes. Maybe if the voters weren't so (I'll be nicer this time)"uninformed" instead of full of themselves, they could've swallowed just an ounce of pride for a minute and helped Dr Paul, or at least the conservative cause to protect our Liberty and the Constitution. A wise political strategist once told me that "individuals are smart, People are stupid." So, to those that thought I was calling them stupid, I apologize, but the "people" that voted were as noted and confirmed as STUPID! Winston Churchhill even stated that "the biggest argument against Democracy is having a 5 minute conversation with average voter."

[MGreen]

boy, the troll accusations sure did slow down. I was beginning to enjoy them. Those ignorant Romney voters wasted their votes along w/the Giuliani and Thompson votes. Maybe if the voters weren't so (I'll be nicer this time)"uninformed" instead of full of themselves, they could've swallowed just an ounce of pride for a minute and helped Dr Paul, or at least the conservative cause to protect our Liberty and the Constitution.

If they weren't so "uninformed," they would have all voted for Ron Paul.

[Sky22]

If they weren't so "uninformed," they would have all voted for Ron Paul.
I can't argue w/that logic. My point is that to win in politics, business, golf, chess, etc...you must understand the rules and expose your opponent's weakness, and not let your destiny be up to blind faith (other than religion of course). This is my interpretation from Sun Tsu...."every battle is won before it's ever fought." We lost Va. because voters just don't understand the process, it's a popularity contest to them.

[pinkmandy]

I can't argue w/that logic. My point is that to win in politics, business, golf, chess, etc...you must understand the rules and expose your opponent's weakness, and not let your destiny be up to blind faith (other than religion of course). This is my interpretation from Sun Tsu...."every battle is won before it's ever fought." We lost Va. because voters just don't understand the process, it's a popularity contest to them.


We've lost the COUNTRY because of that. Stepping in here and trying to blame the handful of people here in VA who voted for RP was way out of line.

[spudea]

I can't argue w/that logic. My point is that to win in politics, business, golf, chess, etc...you must understand the rules and expose your opponent's weakness, and not let your destiny be up to blind faith (other than religion of course). This is my interpretation from Sun Tsu...."every battle is won before it's ever fought." We lost Va. because voters just don't understand the process, it's a popularity contest to them.

If its a popularity contest then McCain would win in a landslide.

McCain is ahead of huckabee by 31221 votes. Almost double what RP has. So let this fucking thread die, and I feel really bad for anyone that decieded to vote huckabee over RP.

[Sky22]

We've lost the COUNTRY because of that. Stepping in here and trying to blame the handful of people here in VA who voted for RP was way out of line.
Are you trying to deny me my 1st Amendment Rights? Dr. Paul would be dissappointed ;-)

[pinkmandy]

Are you trying to deny me my 1st Amendment Rights? Dr. Paul would be dissappointed ;-)

Of course not. I'm just calling you out as being rude. Just because you have a "right" it doesn't mean you should exercise it at will with no regard to those around you. THAT would disappoint Dr. Paul but it would make Huckleberry-I'm-Going-To-Amend-The-Constitution-For-Christians glow with pride.

[Sky22]

Of course not. I'm just calling you out as being rude. Just because you have a "right" it doesn't mean you should exercise it at will with no regard to those around you. THAT would disappoint Dr. Paul but it would make Huckleberry-I'm-Going-To-Amend-The-Constitution-For-Christians glow with pride.
In the words of my dear friend Dr. Paul, "Amending The Constitution is Constitutional." (THIS IN NO WAY MEANS I LIKE ANYTHING ABOUT HUCKLENASTY) PinkMandy, I apologized earlier for insinuating...okay saying that ya'll were fu#ktards, and that was rude. But you can't legislate rude, nor can you deny STUPID, which the majority of people that voted in the Va. primaries were...I'll say that about all the primaries and caucuses, not just Va. hell, they're stupid in my neighborhood and hometown of Dr. Paul.

[pinkmandy]

Thanks.

I won't deny the stupidity of most voters, I sat here watching the results with dh saying much of the same thing. I just didn't blame RP supporters. ;) Yes, amending is Constitutional, but running a campaign on promising such amendments for Godly reasons isn't. Anyhoo, thanks for the apology. Tensions are high today, we worked hard for Dr. Paul and will continue to do so.

When over 60% of the voters who turned out were over 45 and voter turnout is higher in wealthier areas for repubs (VA has quite a few very wealthy areas)...well, we did okay if you consider that most of the people voting don't have to worry about being sent off to war and are going to get their ss benefits they paid in for. VA is a status quo state.

[Sky22]

Thanks.

I won't deny the stupidity of most voters, I sat here watching the results with dh saying much of the same thing. I just didn't blame RP supporters. ;) Yes, amending is Constitutional, but running a campaign on promising such amendments for Godly reasons isn't. Anyhoo, thanks for the apology. Tensions are high today, we worked hard for Dr. Paul and will continue to do so.

When over 60% of the voters who turned out were over 45 and voter turnout is higher in wealthier areas for repubs (VA has quite a few very wealthy areas)...well, we did okay if you consider that most of the people voting don't have to worry about being sent off to war and are going to get their ss benefits they paid in for. VA is a status quo state.
I deeply appreciate Dr. Paul supporters, and yes my tension level has been through the roof ever since he announced that he would seek the nomination. I'm so proud of him, my family thinks I have a "man crush" on him...maybe I do, but not in the Glen Beck way! Do you know how cool it is to be out mowing the yard and Dr. Paul comes cruising by on his bike! I swear I almost start hyperventilating!

[LibertyEagle]

Are you trying to deny me my 1st Amendment Rights? Dr. Paul would be dissappointed ;-)

Actually, he would not. This forum is private property, and as such, you are required to follow the forum guidelines. Review them.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=22