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WilliamC
02-07-2008, 06:08 AM
Recently radio talk show host Michael Savage has been talking about starting a new political party, the American National Party, after the 2008 elections.

For those who aren't familiar with him Michael Savage stresses "borders, language, and culture" as his priorities of what is important to preserving the American way of life.

But Michael Savage is much like the mainstream media in that he largely ignores Ron Paul.

Any opinions as to where his true loyalties lie?

PauliticsPolitics
02-07-2008, 06:13 AM
My guess is:
His first allegence is to making millions off his radio show - - though he probably shills for a lot of other causes.

WilliamC
02-07-2008, 06:14 AM
My guess is:
His first allegence is to making millions off his radio show - - though he probably shills for a lot of other causes.

Yes, but making millions does not preclude him from being for either patriotism nor despotism.

PauliticsPolitics
02-07-2008, 06:18 AM
Yes, but making millions does not preclude him from being for either patriotism nor despotism.

not everyone is a patriot or a despot.
things are not black and white.
i really don't know enough about michael savage to make a case for or against his authenticy.

all i'm saying is: there is an interest to make such statements to keep your show interested.
but you are right, that doesn't speak for his patriotism.

bobbyw24
02-07-2008, 06:29 AM
http://prosites-prs.homestead.com/

I have heard that he is Neo-con pro-war guy but his stance on other issues is spot on. His website shows that he is in a battle over free speech with an American Muslim "civil rights" group.

Geronimo
02-07-2008, 06:30 AM
Controlled Opposition

WilliamC
02-07-2008, 06:31 AM
http://prosites-prs.homestead.com/

I have heard that he is Neo-con pro-war guy but his stance on other issues is spot on. His website shows that he is in a battle over free speech with an American Muslim "civil rights" group.

I don't listen to him regularly but I have heard him recently questioning the wisdom of our foreign policy, including our occupation of Iraq and our continued financial support of Israel.

This sort of makes me wonder how deep his neo-conservativism really runs.

amy31416
02-07-2008, 06:36 AM
Recently radio talk show host Michael Savage has been talking about starting a new political party, the American National Party, after the 2008 elections.

For those who aren't familiar with him Michael Savage stresses "borders, language, and culture" as his priorities of what is important to preserving the American way of life.

But Michael Savage is much like the mainstream media in that he largely ignores Ron Paul.

Any opinions as to where his true loyalties lie?

I would never join a party with that name and those "stresses." It sounds a heck of a lot like White Nationalism in a more shrouded, insidious package.

Don't get me wrong, if they want to start their own little party, that's fine, I'm all for their rights as well, but don't try say that it has a damned thing to do with Ron Paul. Think of how much those bastards, some intentionally I think, hurt this campaign.

WilliamC
02-07-2008, 06:51 AM
I would never join a party with that name and those "stresses." It sounds a heck of a lot like White Nationalism in a more shrouded, insidious package.

Don't get me wrong, if they want to start their own little party, that's fine, I'm all for their rights as well, but don't try say that it has a damned thing to do with Ron Paul. Think of how much those bastards, some intentionally I think, hurt this campaign.

I never implied that "it has a damned thing to do with Ron Paul."

I actually stated that Michael Savage ignores Ron Paul just like the rest of the mainstream media.

Thus my question.

Patriot or controlled opposition?

Myerz
02-07-2008, 06:59 AM
I never implied that "it has a damned thing to do with Ron Paul."

I actually stated that Michael Savage ignores Ron Paul just like the rest of the mainstream media.

Thus my question.

Patriot or controlled opposition?


There you go...you said it......"just like the rest of the mainstream media."

I was listening to him yersterday, I don't how many times I yelled at him through the radio! He want to bomb Iran like yesterday!

syborius
02-07-2008, 07:02 AM
Controlled Opposition

yup, that's about right.

Lucid American
02-07-2008, 07:23 AM
Michael Savage: Controlled Opposition or Patriot?
A jackass. Nothing more, nothing less.

bubbleboy
02-07-2008, 07:36 AM
He is a Trojan Horse. He calls for the nuking of Iraq and sarts his show off with the sound of bombs. Communist to the core.

AdamT
02-07-2008, 07:55 AM
Without ANY doubt Savage is a hack traitor all the way.

wgadget
02-07-2008, 07:58 AM
He's not stupid, and HAS to know about Ron Paul.

I think he's just another neocon on an ego trip. Very PRO-WAR.

ButchHowdy
02-07-2008, 07:59 AM
He is both but James 1:8 says "A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways"

His zeal for Zionism and continuous Arab, Liberal, and gay bashing has skewed his ability to identify the REAL enemy.

God has 'given' him the C.A.I.R. lawsuit as a thorn in the side to humble him and I'm seeing results!

tsetsefly
02-07-2008, 08:01 AM
he is an neocon idiot.

RonRules
02-07-2008, 08:32 AM
Definitely "controlled opposition".

Look up his original surname. You'll see him in a different light.

He was a way left socialist for a good part of his life, has unfettering steady support for Israel, and is ready to turn the middle east as a glass parking lot anytime.

He's also completely nuts, just evidenced by his promotion of homeopathy, a medicinal technique that claims the more dilute a substance is, the more effective it is.

His son started Rockstar energy drinks, so there's plenty of cash in the family.

I can't stand the guy.

RonRules
02-07-2008, 08:34 AM
God has 'given' him the C.A.I.R. lawsuit as a thorn in the side to humble him and I'm seeing results!


What is the C.A.I.R. lawsuit?

WilliamC
02-07-2008, 08:36 AM
So maybe his plan to start a new political party is part of a counter effort to draw potential true patriots away from real freedom and into a false sense of doing something against the establishment?

amy31416
02-07-2008, 08:37 AM
I never implied that "it has a damned thing to do with Ron Paul."

I actually stated that Michael Savage ignores Ron Paul just like the rest of the mainstream media.

Thus my question.

Patriot or controlled opposition?

Okay then, got irked about the name, so I'd say: controlled opposition.

Bruce4Ron
02-07-2008, 08:37 AM
Mike Savage is an extremist on the radio people. Listen to his show with a grain of salt.

He's worse than Rush !

If you don't agree with Mike he will yell at you and belittle you on the air. He is rational yet completely irrational at times. There are moments where he will say something you agree with but be very careful when you start to buy into his personality as someone who cares.

MJfromCT
02-07-2008, 08:39 AM
Controlled opposition, him and Dobbs will be fighting for the same sheep.

sratiug
02-07-2008, 09:15 AM
Definitely "controlled opposition".

Look up his original surname. You'll see him in a different light.

He was a way left socialist for a good part of his life, has unfettering steady support for Israel, and is ready to turn the middle east as a glass parking lot anytime.

He's also completely nuts, just evidenced by his promotion of homeopathy, a medicinal technique that claims the more dilute a substance is, the more effective it is.

His son started Rockstar energy drinks, so there's plenty of cash in the family.

I can't stand the guy.

Maybe, but his rants against the pharmaceutical industry are priceless. He said that's the problem with Washington was all the politicians are on prescription drugs and now they want to drug all of your children in school. Once the government gets your kid on an ADHD drug you're not allowed to take them off of it. Savage has some kind of medical degree. Medical freedom should be a huge issue in this campaign, and I'd like to see Dr. Paul on his show.

RonRules
02-07-2008, 09:20 AM
Maybe, but his rants against the pharmaceutical industry are priceless. He said that's the problem with Washington was all the politicians are on prescription drugs and now they want to drug all of your children in school. Once the government gets your kid on an ADHD drug you're not allowed to take them off of it. Savage has some kind of medical degree. Medical freedom should be a huge issue in this campaign, and I'd like to see Dr. Paul on his show.

Knowing this guy pretty well, I can assure you that if his son was selling pharmaceuticals, his tune against big pharma would be completely different.

He's got a degree in BOTANY, which makes him perfectly qualified to discuss politics. Because of his early association with the drug culture, I think his botany degree was to enhance marijuana plants.

Like Penn Jillette says, "I'm very qualified as a political commentator, as a juggler"

RonRules
02-07-2008, 09:29 AM
Medical freedom

I'm spit on the issue of medical freedom because of the Placebo effect. People will take totally ineffective remedies (such as homeopathy) and will get better, because the body naturally cures itself with time and the hope that the treatement works can help release endorphins to accelerate the cure.

The problem is that people delay he proper treatement of major diseases like cancer and often are beyond a cure.

I'm all for limited govt (and LESS FDA), but we also need to have a watchdog organization that can educate people of what works and what does not. Maybe this organization could be private, but I'm not sure it would have adequate funding to do a proper job.

nullvalu
02-07-2008, 09:35 AM
I've been listened to Savage on occasion for the past 3 years or so.

What's good for Israel is good for the USA. Yet he'll scream against how stupid their leadership is.

He'll say let's bomb the hell out of the middle east, then in the next line say Bush has things so screwed up that we should just bring all the troops home.

He's filled with bizarre contradictions like this. He's like 90% on other issues, but never touches dangerous subjects. Sometimes he'll mention the NWO in passing, but never go into detail.

Either he's a scared, confused individual.. Or he's controlled opposition.

cameronb
02-07-2008, 09:58 AM
I've listened to Michael Savage for years, and tune into him for at least a few minutes almost every evening on my drive home.

He can be SO right that you pump your fist in the air in exhiliration, so glad that somebody said it on the air, but then he won't carry it through to the logical conclusion. He's thus either spineless, or controlled opposition.

Here's an example -- the evening of the 5th he pointed out that "there's hardly a hair's worth of difference between McCain and Romney," and asserted that they are both big government, establishment candidates. The truth of a statement like this sucks people in. But he also said he prefers Romney over McCain! How can this be?
A myriad of times in previous shows he's ranted about how Americans shouldn't choose the lesser of two evils and has ranted and raved about being duped by Bush 41 and Bush 43. So he in all his wisdom and insight boasts about seeing right through Romney, but prefers Romney over McCain and won't support a true anti-establishment, limited government candidate like Ron Paul -- and even goes out of his way to belittle, demonize, and marginalize Dr. Paul and his candidacy.

I listen to him a) to know what he's saying to influence so many conservatives, because he has a huge audience, and b) the comedic value.

If more and more people realized that guys like Dobbs and Hannity are saying the right things only to a point but refuse to connect the dots, we'd make major strides for this freedom movement!

WilliamC
02-07-2008, 10:02 AM
I'm spit on the issue of medical freedom because of the Placebo effect. People will take totally ineffective remedies (such as homeopathy) and will get better, because the body naturally cures itself with time and the hope that the treatement works can help release endorphins to accelerate the cure.

The problem is that people delay he proper treatement of major diseases like cancer and often are beyond a cure.

I'm all for limited govt (and LESS FDA), but we also need to have a watchdog organization that can educate people of what works and what does not. Maybe this organization could be private, but I'm not sure it would have adequate funding to do a proper job.

Something like the Underwriters Laboratory would work just fine, provided government provided protection against fraud.

http://www.ul.com/about/

WilliamC
02-07-2008, 10:04 AM
Is it possible to use controlled opposition to further the cause of individualism?

Like by asking them questions specifically designed to cause them to reveal the limits of their opposition to the status quo?

edit:

as an example I got a "Conservative" talk show host to basically come right out and say that the world today is too complex for the USA to follow the Constitution.

Now whenever I (or my proxy if I can get one) call into the show I can reference that public statement and use it to make him further explain what parts of the Constitution he considers obsolete in todays world.

That has already caused a couple of other listeners to call in after me and ask him why he was defending the liberal position that the Constitution is a living document that is open to interpretation.

given a tool like http://www.calltalkradioforron.com and a wee bit of loose organization it should be fairly easy to expose some of these false patriots, yes?

pdavis
02-07-2008, 10:38 AM
Patriot? More like a nationalist; the second coming of Father Coughlin. This guy wants to lock up all Muslims.

Andrew76
02-07-2008, 10:42 AM
He's said a few things I agree with, but, he's largely very much PRO Isreal, pro war with Iran and the middle east, anti gay, pro government meddling in various personal choices, anti seperation of church/state, etc., etc.