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Madison
02-07-2008, 03:11 AM
At this point Ron has a very small chance of attaining enough delegates to compete with McCain. The results of the first half of the states that voted will for the most part be a general indicator of how the other half will vote. The sooner we face this fact the better.

From this point on we should do whatever we can to support Hillary getting the Democrat nomination. This will leave us a huge pool of potential Obama voters who loathe Hillary. It will be our job to effectively capitalize on this opportunity by educating them in a creative, effective and simple manner about monetary policy and free market economics and non-interventionist foreign policy.

Conservatives who have not yet seen the light are splitting their votes between Romney and Huckabee which continues to boost McCain. This is another huge pool of voters who hate McCain and would never vote for him. Again it will be our job to get these voters on Ron's side. It won't be easy but it can and has to be done. Key issues stressed will be constitutional law, sound money, securing the borders and keeping the country safe with a strong defense that isn't over-extended around the globe.

We will need to get Ron into the debates and on the ballots ourselves. We will need to regain control of our nations electoral process state by state and count the votes ourselves. This new campaign is going to be 100% grassroots. We saw how effective a centralized campaign is against the corporate media. There is no question we did a phenomenal job with fundraising but as we saw that is not anywhere close enough to what we would need to compete with the candidates who get free media time. This method will not work. We need to buy all our own advertising, take canvassing to a whole new level, and most importantly be creative and devise new ways to get the word out. We have to go beyond sign waving and putting his name in the air. Canvassing has been proven to work and we must built on idea that gets information out there, not just his name.

Do not get let down. Ron is giving the GOP one last chance to regain its way, but many of us have accepted that they are going to choose more of the same. This will be the end of the GOP as we know it. The party is dying and is despised by America too much after 8 years of Bush. Just look at the voter turnout in all the states so far and see how Democrats have outperformed Republicans. It matters not though. We now have a movement of near or over a million supporters, maybe more. Think of all the closed primary states and how many potential people become Ron Paul supporters after party registration closed. Much has been gained and everything is in place for an Independent run.

PauliticsPolitics
02-07-2008, 03:19 AM
Hillary vs McCain = Hillary vs McCain vs Bloomberg vs Nader vs (maybe) Paul = President Hillary

If any third party candidate makes a good dent at the BID or even "wins it" - they will surely not get 51% of the delegates.

IF there are not 51% of the delegates for a candidate, the congress votes for who is president. They will vote for hillary.

it's the truth.

parocks
02-07-2008, 03:35 AM
Hillary vs McCain = Hillary vs McCain vs Bloomberg vs Nader vs (maybe) Paul = President Hillary

If any third party candidate makes a good dent at the BID or even "wins it" - they will surely not get 51% of the delegates.

IF there are not 51% of the delegates for a candidate, the congress votes for who is president. They will vote for hillary.

it's the truth.

Yupper.

Hillary does not get 50% of the vote.

Head to head, McCain beats Hillary.

Throw 3rd party candidates in there, Hillary has a shot.

I do not want Hillary to be President. McCain is not ideal. Obama is acceptable. Hillary is the devil.

dblee
02-07-2008, 03:45 AM
Hillary vs McCain = Hillary vs McCain vs Bloomberg vs Nader vs (maybe) Paul = President Hillary

If any third party candidate makes a good dent at the BID or even "wins it" - they will surely not get 51% of the delegates.

IF there are not 51% of the delegates for a candidate, the congress votes for who is president. They will vote for hillary.

it's the truth.

bloomberg would steal votes from mccain, nader would steal votes from hillary.

none of those votes would really be the type to vote for paul anyway.

PauliticsPolitics
02-07-2008, 04:54 AM
bloomberg would steal votes from mccain, nader would steal votes from hillary.

none of those votes would really be the type to vote for paul anyway.

I agree
BUT:

Scenario 1:
Clinton vs McCain
50% - - - - - - 50% approx

Scenario 2:
Clinton vs McCain vs Bloomberg vs Nader vs Paul
25% - - - - - 20% - - - - - - 10% - - - 5% - - - 40%

YAY PAUL WINS!
NO HE DOESN'T!
No one received over 50%

This is not like the GOP convention where the delegates get to vote again in a second round.

CONGRESS VOTES!

CONGRESS WILL VOTE FOR CLINTON!!!

GET IT!!!!!

amy31416
02-07-2008, 06:28 AM
Yupper.

Hillary does not get 50% of the vote.

Head to head, McCain beats Hillary.

Throw 3rd party candidates in there, Hillary has a shot.

I do not want Hillary to be President. McCain is not ideal. Obama is acceptable. Hillary is the devil.

Hillary and McCain are equally as bad, just in different ways. Obama's proposed spending is about 80 Billion more than Hillary.

They're all very, very bad choices. But I can't vote for the biggest war mongerer of them all, if those are the three possibilities, it's write-in for Paul unless there's another strong 3rd party.

No more voting for the lesser of 2 (3?) evils!

scooter
02-07-2008, 07:18 AM
Um... since when did you have to get more than 50% of the vote in the national election?

Bill Clinton won is first presidential bid with way less than 50%.

leonster
02-07-2008, 09:19 AM
40% in the popular vote doesn't matter at all. Bill Clinton had 42% in his first win, and 48% in the second (approximate, both).

51% in the electoral college matters.

If Paul got 40% pretty much across the board across the nation, he would win the electoral college. But if it was (more likely) a true mix of some states for Hillary, some for McCain, some for Paul... then it's likely it would go to the Congress and we'd have Mme. President.

DAFTEK
02-07-2008, 09:23 AM
Hillary is getting her ass handed to her now, Obama is surging for now, i have a feeling they might join eventually is just a matter of time to see who gets the VP out of them two. I thing we will see a Obama\Hillary ticket, i hope I'm wrong thou :D