View Full Version : It's simple, they approve of the war and are satisfied with Bush

02-06-2008, 05:55 PM
In the Missouri Republican exit polls, 60% of the respondents are satisfied or ENTHUSIASTIC about the Bush administration. 69% somewhat or strongly approve of the war in Iraq. McCain got the most support from people I who disapprove of the war and from people concerned about the economy.

The only candidate, Democrat or Republican, that will bring American troops home, is trying to seek the nomination of a party consisting of a large number of people who are satisfied with Bush and the war. A party consisting of a few people who are unhappy with the war and concerned about the economy, but vote for the candidate who is least likely to improve these things. I know this is nothing new, but I want to reiterate it.

Blame the campaign all you want, but you have to realize that we are up against widespread ignorance. I do not know if the delegate collection plan is going as well as the campaign hoped. But I do know that Dr. Paul will continue to spread the message of liberty and freedom, even if it is not with the Republican Party.

Thanks, I needed to rant.

02-06-2008, 05:58 PM
yeah, well did you happen to notice how low the Republican turnout was compared to the Democratic turnout?

These people are out of touch with our country, plain and simple.

However, you might also notice that we are beating their doors down. :)

02-06-2008, 06:18 PM
NO, they are ok with war, just when they win.

Bush isn't winning and they think McCain will do a better job.

That's it.

We can't win with republicans, i've been saying that for months. Only by bringing in democrats and independents did we stand a chance, but everybody was too busy talking about "socialist" and "ronald reagan" and blah blah blah.

Oh well.

02-06-2008, 06:24 PM
iNDY! see my sig...

and see this poll which addresses this issue (Republicans are not are base): Already Republican or only did so for Ron Paul? http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1198612

Thank you for the good, reasoned post. Great info. But I disagree with you saying that we will lose "substantial support". We don't have substantial support. We have like 8% support--at the VERY most (average it out--and be realistic--you will agree it's 8% at the very most--and it's way too late for a brokered convention).

I disagree and don't think we get support mainly from christian/republican types--I think that is unique to your experience--and besides, that ground obviously isn't that fertile compared to other, broader ground--just look at our results, even in Michigan, your example. But, also, I absolutely have never thought we would get our support from pot smokers, truthers, etc.

Our support comes, and will come in a HUGE way if we go iNDY, from people who are anti-war, pro-constitution, and most importantly TIRED OF BEING LIED TO, TIRED OF LOBBYISTS, AND HUNGRY FOR THE TYPE OF STATESMAN ONLY RON PAUL IS.

People will vote for Ron Paul for his record that is so amazing, and so different, even if they disagree with some of his stances. Proof: The same exact thing made me, my wife, my father-in-law, father, grandpa-in-law, and on and on (including many family members I never proselytized to!) choose Paul: HIS HONESTY--the fact that he's not a "politician" like ALL the others. Once they hear that he has never gotten lobbyist money, never changed his stances, AND ONCE THEY HEAR HIM SPEAK, they are hooked.

But not the GOP sheep--the pro Iraq war types. That is why we have to get out of the GOP.

If we go iNDY, we will also get all the anti-war GOPers. Plus, we might get more GOPers than that if McCain is the nominee--because of immigration and character (he cheated on his wife and is married to his mistress now).

Plus, we haven't got to capitalize on running anti-war ads, especially with veterans in them supporting him. We need to make a much bigger deal about the amazing amount of money he raised from military members (more than all the Republicans put together) in ads, etc.

We also haven't capitalized on his being an Obstetrician for 30 years, and so much more. His name recognition is extremely dismal--we need a fresh start with exposure in every state--not just those left in the GOP race.

A note of caution about this thread.

I've done A LOT of work for the campaign in Michigan and have met many different supporters. I can say with certainty that in Michigan, the majority of Ron Paul supporters are Republicans or disaffected Republicans. The majority are also Christians.

These boards are NOT representative of who is voting for us.

I'd estimate (from Michigan) we have about 65% of some type of Republicans making up our voters and about 75% Christians. The number of truthers that support Ron Paul is also very low I'd estimate about 10 to 15 percent. Again this is from my experience in Michigan.

If you looked at these forums, you'd think the majority were liberal atheists, and that may well be true about these forums, but now out in the real world.

I'd also like to add there are major discrepancies between the average Ron Paul voter and the "hardcore supporters"

Atheists, marijuana activists, peace activists, and truthers make up a disproportionate part of our "hardcore" supporters.

This is all very important and you need to think about the big picture. If we run independent, you can expect everyone on the forums and all the hardcore supporters to still supporter Ron Paul, but we're going to lose a substantial chunk of our base. If you think that people who already vote for Ron Paul won't vote for the Republican nominee, you haven't been talking enough to our casual voters, and believe me we have MANY of them.

02-06-2008, 07:27 PM
McCain wants to keep the IRS around....and there are serious consequences for thousands of those Missouri McCain voters who are happy with Bush and the war


1,300,000+ audits/year x the next 4 years = 5.2+ million people who will not get the chance to cast a wiser vote until 2012....maybe even 6+ million since the number of audits per year is going up...and that's assuming that in 2012 there will be another presidential candidate running who pledges to make the IRS go out of business like Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee.

02-06-2008, 07:40 PM
i like how backwards it is that people vote for mccain when they are concerned about the economy.