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Lord Xar
02-06-2008, 04:12 PM
Everyone.

Now that we have a basis of what works, and what doesn't... what can we do moving forward.

What seemed to be winners and losers in getting votes for Ron Paul?

What is the feeling of that "newspaper" project?

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Lets not repeat previous endeavors that don't pay off.

Lets discuss.

spacebetween
02-06-2008, 04:16 PM
Ron Paul will be at The University of Texas on the Main Mall on Saturday, February 23 at 4PM. Hopefully that'll work some magic. :)

constituent
02-06-2008, 04:20 PM
amen to that.

i haven't been to s.a. in awhile, but he's got austin pretty much shored up, and due to the way delegates are handled here, austin isn't that great a place to focus our efforts.

call for paul would be a good project to hit some of the small towns on a limited basis (but word spreads fast and people hate calls, we don't want RP to become the target of the DQ coffee crews' ire)...

Houston, i don't know what to say about houston, but i'd be surprised if he didn't do extremely well there.

District 14 would be a good GOTV calling project if some grassroots organization managed to get ahold of old congressional donors lists, etc.

It'd be great to slam some of the college campuses, particularly satellite campuses w/ smaller (though not terribly small) student populations. For example, TAMU-CC.

That's a start, i'm feeling kinda stifled and stressed at the moment, i'll have more when i'm thinking more clearly.

Certainly people just hanging out in Dairy Queens and talking it up w/ older folks over coffee will do wonders... if only there was a DQ coffee pitch-in, and we could get one or two people in every DQ, everyday until march 4th, the nomination would be a sure fire....


another great method, using some centrifuge of course, would be if the grassroots were to launch some major attacks against Rick Perry that hit all of his betrayals and asked the question, "so why does governor perry support john mccain?"

Maybe even some billboards highlighting the endorsement....

just a start...

politicus
02-06-2008, 04:30 PM
Ron Paul himself needs to do two things:

1. He's got to spend time campaigning in Texas.

Look how well he did in North Dakota and Minnesota with short appearances in each state. If he campaigns in Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth, El Paso, Houston, etc., he will motivate the vote.

2. He has got to look presidential. When he is in a national debate (February 28th), he has got to grab the microphone and dominate like Romney has done. He can't sit back and wait for the questions to come to him, he's got to get involved any time another candidate makes a statement that he disagrees with.

Lord Xar
02-06-2008, 04:32 PM
amen to that.

i haven't been to s.a. in awhile, but he's got austin pretty much shored up, and due to the way delegates are handled here, austin isn't that great a place to focus our efforts.

call for paul would be a good project to hit some of the small towns on a limited basis (but word spreads fast and people hate calls, we don't want RP to become the target of the DQ coffee crews' ire)...

Houston, i don't know what to say about houston, but i'd be surprised if he didn't do extremely well there.

District 14 would be a good GOTV calling project if some grassroots organization managed to get ahold of old congressional donors lists, etc.

It'd be great to slam some of the college campuses, particularly satellite campuses w/ smaller (though not terribly small) student populations. For example, TAMU-CC.

That's a start, i'm feeling kinda stifled and stressed at the moment, i'll have more when i'm thinking more clearly.

Certainly people just hanging out in Dairy Queens and talking it up w/ older folks over coffee will do wonders... if only there was a DQ coffee pitch-in, and we could get one or two people in every DQ, everyday until march 4th, the nomination would be a sure fire....


another great method, using some centrifuge of course, would be if the grassroots were to launch some major attacks against Rick Perry that hit all of his betrayals and asked the question, "so why does governor perry support john mccain?"

Maybe even some billboards highlighting the endorsement....

just a start...

If Governor Perry is such a betrayor, why is he a governor?

Constituent.. pm me....

Shinerxx
02-06-2008, 04:35 PM
Gov. Perry is worthless. 2/3 of the state did not even want him. His endorsement would actually hurt the recipient. I hope he stays far away from Dr. Paul.

Lord Xar
02-06-2008, 04:37 PM
Okay, lets focus on the OT.

What grassroots campaign endeavors worked and did not work. What should we be focusing on?

radio/tv/signs/canvassing etc..

eleganz
02-06-2008, 04:37 PM
Set up informational booths at the RP speeches. We could more and more volunteers right after his speech/rally by giving them information, lead them towards the forums and tell them that there is still a chance, we could still win.

yongrel
02-06-2008, 04:40 PM
1) Ron Paul needs to spend time on the ground. A LOT of time on the ground. He needs to treat Texas like Edwards treated Iowa.

2) Ron Paul needs to speak at colleges, especially the satellites.

3) The Good Doctor needs to find places where old people gather en masse and speak there. Bingo Halls, AARP meetings, whatever. He just needs to talk to the elderly.

4) New Hampshire showed us that direct mail doesn't work for Ron Paul. Maybe his platform is too much to digest from just an impersonal mailing. I dunno. All I know is that we can't afford to spend 4 million on direct mail in Texas.

5) Texan RPers need to become precinct leaders. Time and time again, that is the most effective thing that the grassroots can do.

6) The grassroots needs to connect with the seniors. I don't know what that entails, but we now know that the youth vote isn't enough. If that means going to nursing homes, golf courses, senior centers, casinos, doctors offices, etc, so be it. It needs to happen.

7) TV and radio saturation. RP needs to divert funding from direct mail and put it into tv and radio like he never has before.

Shinerxx
02-06-2008, 04:40 PM
If Governor Perry is such a betrayor, why is he a governor?

Constituent.. pm me....

For one:

If Ron Paul is the Champion of the Constitution...

Governor Perry would be the Champion of Eminent Domain robbing thousands of Texans of their family lands to create his Trans-Texas Corridor. Gov. Perry is in bed with the North American Union peoples which is exactly why he gave his worthless endorsement to McCain. McCain doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning Texas.

liberteebell
02-06-2008, 04:41 PM
Does anyone have some real statistics on what works?

Some suggestions:

And it begins with getting off the internet for a while and start appealing to the "mainstream" non-politically savvy voter.

Sign up for precinct leader and canvass even if it's only lit drops. I'm putting my phone number and email address on my literature so people can call me for more info.

Call your local talk radio station and educate people on the delegate thing and a brokered convention. There's a perception that Ron Paul is losing/doesn't have a chance/needs to drop out. It's a big obstacle but I guess it's up to us.

Bombard your local paper with letters to the editor. Ask your paper to make sure they include Paul when they do the voter guide that they usually do before voting day. Post stuff on your local craigslist.

Look in the mirror and if need be, clean up your act. Lose the discussions about the more controversial issues such as 911 (and don't even bother to try to flame me; most people would call me a truther). Start with the "mainstream" issues. Or start with something like Ron Paul's excellent fund raising stats from the military. People have to be spoon fed. They'll come to other realizations eventually but not if they continue to believe the media lies that we're fringe kooks.

Visit an old folks home or 12. Bring flyers about saving social security and keeping the country in good shape for their grandchildren. Give a presentation if you can.

Quit obsessing about on-line polls. Let's use some reverse psychology.

Behave yourself. No more Sean Hannity chasing. Remember, honey attracts more flies than vinegar.

Don't give up!

haaaylee
02-06-2008, 04:47 PM
If Governor Perry is such a betrayor, why is he a governor?

Constituent.. pm me....


If George Bush is such a horrible president, why did he get elected twice?






I like the idea of a Ron Paul vs Rick Perry ad.
I also like the idea of talking about the NAFTA highway , but not in any sort of conspiracy way. That could help in small cities and with people who have land.

rjl
02-06-2008, 04:48 PM
The groups in Corpus Christi (South Texas) is planning on running radio and TV ads. Their website isn't quite finished, but I know they are enthusiastic. Fairly large metropolitan area (350,000+) that is perennially ignored by ALL political candidates.

Their site is http://www.texansforfreedom.com

I'm not sure which ads they plan on running, but I think it's the Adrian Grey and Jeremiah Black ads.

I think Texas is the most obvious target for Ron Paul and his supporters. The Austin billboard on I-35 should be pretty effective. Don't know what's going on in Houston, Dallas, or SA. A win in Texas could go a long way to getting RP the nomination in a brokered convention.

coffeewithchess
02-06-2008, 04:49 PM
The campaign is going to have to do something to get Ron Paul's name on the news every two seconds. If RP's name isn't mentioned on the news every day, the sheeple won't buy it...we can canvass, phone call, etc., but until the media labels RP as electable, we are in a HUGE uphill battle against the sheeple.

expatinireland
02-06-2008, 04:57 PM
LX,

For starters the official campaign doesn't work so we are handicapped there.

I agree that Ron Paul needs to up his commitment to the campaign trail. His visits have been too few.

For Texas it is a bit late in the game for canvassing if it isn't ongoing already but it is about the only seriously constructive thing that our people can do on a limited budget. I started a thread earlier today entitled Proper Canvassing Can Grow This Campaign Exponentially (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=113612) and I was actually thinking of working beyond the Republican nomination when I wrote it. Please give it a bump if you think it is worthwhile.

Backing up canvassing, it would be nice if we had lots of great TV ads backed up by intensive candidate visits. But, for longer term if this turns into an Independent campaign, canvassing now will help towards building the on the ground organisation for that effort.

wfd40
02-06-2008, 05:01 PM
Okay, lets focus on the OT.

What grassroots campaign endeavors worked and did not work. What should we be focusing on?

radio/tv/signs/canvassing etc..

MASS amounts of TV/radio ads for the silly sheeple...

I swear, if i dont hear that Dr. Paul has saturated Texas with a new swath of official adds daring/challenging Texas to change the course of the GOP primary by voting for Dr. Paul, the only real/true anti-war fiscal conservative running... I will punch a wall

:)

wfd40
02-06-2008, 05:02 PM
The campaign is going to have to do something to get Ron Paul's name on the news every two seconds. If RP's name isn't mentioned on the news every day, the sheeple won't buy it...we can canvass, phone call, etc., but until the media labels RP as electable, we are in a HUGE uphill battle against the sheeple.

QFT... +infinity

itshappening
02-06-2008, 05:02 PM
Ron Paul himself needs to do two things:

1. He's got to spend time campaigning in Texas.

Look how well he did in North Dakota and Minnesota with short appearances in each state. If he campaigns in Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth, El Paso, Houston, etc., he will motivate the vote.

2. He has got to look presidential. When he is in a national debate (February 28th), he has got to grab the microphone and dominate like Romney has done. He can't sit back and wait for the questions to come to him, he's got to get involved any time another candidate makes a statement that he disagrees with.

will he get into that debate??????????

Shinerxx
02-06-2008, 05:05 PM
Probably depends on how he polls in Texas whether he gets in the debate or not.

linusPAULing
02-06-2008, 05:08 PM
If George Bush is such a horrible president, why did he get elected twice?



He was running against John Kerry, who ran an entirely crappy campaign.

And still Kerry won the exit polling and statisticians from MIT, Penn U, and Berkeley released articles detailing why mathematically all indications are that W actually lost the election. I can look for those links if anyone is interested.

The last few presidents have all been so "horrible" that's is astonishing. That's why the passion among RP loyalists is unprecedented in modern times.

expatinireland
02-06-2008, 05:08 PM
The campaign is going to have to do something to get Ron Paul's name on the news every two seconds. If RP's name isn't mentioned on the news every day, the sheeple won't buy it...we can canvass, phone call, etc., but until the media labels RP as electable, we are in a HUGE uphill battle against the sheeple.

This is the job of the press officer and the candidate. The campaign should have a policy of catering to the national and local press waiting on them hand and foot if need be. To get press the candidate needs to be on the move making frequent stops out pressing the flesh and giving as many photo ops as possible.

Leslie Webb
02-06-2008, 05:18 PM
Have the the Ron Paul newspaper on people's doorsteps three or four times before the March primary.

Run newspaper ads in small town weekly papers, again three or four times before the March primary.

Hire one of the companies that make professional ads for the other candidates, such as Edward's ad company or Giuliani's. Make professional TV ads on issues Texans are concerned about, such as immigration and the trans-Texas corridor.

Attack the media blackout head-on: 'Ron Paul, the candidate the mainstream media doesn't want you to know about'.

manny
02-06-2008, 05:18 PM
Anyone remember that one county in NH (or was it Iowa?) which Ron won and the local grassroots had achieved it by placing lots of ads detailing his positions in local papers. Seems sensible to me since the msm are so terrified of even talking about Ron, kind of suggests they know if people heard what he believed in they might agree.

Ron needs to campaign hard there. He needs a few endorsements. He needs to become more aggressive in the debates. He has showed himself to be a gentleman, we appreciate that, but he must take the others down. At least say the phrase "McCain-Kennedy Amnesty bill" or words to that effect ;)

I also would say something again that I've kept saying -

Ron is a conservative republican

Forget canvassing anarchists please. People of Texas - every single last gun shop/ owner / show must have impressed in their mind that Ron will defend them.

I mean look at Romney's record on guns/abortion/health care - how can conservatives vote for him - answer they don't know about Romney and know nothing about Paul (aside from their belief he has a liberal foreign policy :( ). McCain allied with Ted Kennedy to grant amnesty to 20million illgeal immigrants. Again - conservatives must be woken up.

We've really got to take the other 3 down on illegal immigration. They all have terrible records on it. Ron's is perfect. Any anti-illegal groups we can get working for Ron?

Home-schooling, church and pro-life groups? I keep reading these are powerful groups - well we've got to actively court them. No use hoping they watch youtube.

Finally door-to-door. Dress smart, say "sir" or "ma'am" and don't talk about "returning to the gold standard" (Ron does not propose this and it won't happen under him), "getting rid of the Fed" (same thing) or how 9/11 was an inside job.

Concentrate on Ron's record on gun rights, following the consitution, low taxes, limited government and stopping illegal immigration, i.e. the bulk of republican ideas.

Tell people that by supporting Ron they can send, in crystal clear form, the message to the GOP that they want conservative policies.

linusPAULing
02-06-2008, 05:41 PM
Anyone remember that one county in NH (or was it Iowa?) which Ron won and the local grassroots had achieved it by placing lots of ads detailing his positions in local papers. Seems sensible to me since the msm are so terrified of even talking about Ron, kind of suggests they know if people heard what he believed in they might agree.



It was Jefferson County, IA who ran the ads. You can view them here.

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/267/files/