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Madison
02-05-2008, 11:21 PM
Which shall it be?

We also need to tell Ron Paul to save the money he has for the new campaign, not continue to waste it on a party who rejects him, and frankly doesn't deserve him.

free.alive
02-05-2008, 11:31 PM
Republican. We have to stay until the end. Fight it all the way out.

IDefendThePlatform
02-05-2008, 11:32 PM
I voted indy for sure. We'll get 90% of the 3rd party votes anyway and we won't alienate large blocks of voters. I like the libertarian, reform, constitution parties, but we'll get better results at this point with an indy run.

Gustogus
02-05-2008, 11:32 PM
neither

SovereignMN
02-05-2008, 11:37 PM
I'm a member of the Constitution Party. While I would LOVE for Dr. Paul to run under our banner I voted Independent. There is less "negative stigma" and baggage with running independent.

AlexMerced
02-05-2008, 11:39 PM
Which shall it be?

We also need to tell Ron Paul to save the money he has for the new campaign, not continue to waste it on a party who rejects him, and frankly doesn't deserve him.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=113160 <---- there's the answer

boethius27
02-05-2008, 11:40 PM
Attn Mods, please pull this crap down. thanks.

Madison
02-05-2008, 11:44 PM
Attn Mods, please pull this crap down. thanks.

Put me on ignore if you don't like it but don't go complaining to mods to get my thread deleted or moved. I agreed with the consensus to hold off on this until after Super Tuesday. Now the time to discuss it has come.

boethius27
02-05-2008, 11:46 PM
Put me on ignore if you don't like it but don't go complaining to mods to get my thread deleted or moved. I agreed with the consensus to hold off on this until after Super Tuesday. Now the time to discuss it has come.

Be quiet and lend your help to the campaign for Republican president or go to bed.

Jae0
02-05-2008, 11:48 PM
I just want the rest of us states to get a say! I dont care what party he runs after that. But these people who have already voted suddenly feel like they have all the say and us other states dont mean shit.

TNFreedom
02-05-2008, 11:55 PM
Republican. We have to stay until the end. Fight it all the way out.

???????WHY???????????

Please provide logical reasons. Please start by stating what you think our goals are....eg. win the whitehouse or just have an impact on the party.

colecrowe
02-05-2008, 11:59 PM
Yeah--we couldn't get on the ballots WITH SEVEN MONTHS TO DO SO?! Whatever. What a bunch of crap. How the F did Perot do it? We have way more grassroots than he did. And DON'T SAY, "With his billions." He spent 65 million--look on wikipedia. What cost $65000000 in 1990 would cost $107,402,877.98 in 2007. source: http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi


You know what's really "never gonna happen"? The Republican nomination. So for people that want ONE THING and one thing only--Ron Paul to be in the whitehouse--an iNDY run must be discussed. For all you that care more about "changing the GOP", fine--you can continue to argue your point that that would be better than a Ron Paul win in the General.


An independent run is virtually impossible.
The ballot access battle is ridiculously difficult and would never happen
if Ron Paul tried to go independent.

With the sheer numbers of grassroots supporters already keyed in
the feasibility of undercutting the MSM stranglehold in the general election exists.
The organization does not cease to exist - who wants to abandon hope?
Not while we are still organized - that would be nuts.
Let us keep this thing together - no matter what.

The biggest part of making a third-party run is already in place.

The only realistic choice is to go with the Libertarian Party.

I won't vote for anyone but Ron Paul, no matter what happens.

But all this is still premature - let's wait for the results.
It is only a few hours until all the rest of the cards are on the table.

colecrowe
02-06-2008, 12:00 AM
SPREAD IT FAR AND WIDE (indy run bomb) - www.ronpaulwhitehouse.com: (http://www.ronpaulwhitehouse.com/) http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=113132

Jae0
02-06-2008, 12:00 AM
No.

colecrowe
02-06-2008, 12:01 AM
I just want the rest of us states to get a say! I dont care what party he runs after that. But these people who have already voted suddenly feel like they have all the say and us other states dont mean shit.

Primary Calendar: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/calendar.asp (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/calendar.asp)

Month

Date
Feb.

9

Kansas Republican caucus
Louisiana


12
District of Columbia
Maryland
Virginia


19
Washington
Wisconsin

March

4
Ohio
Rhode Island
Texas
Vermont


11
Mississippi
April

22

Pennsylvania
May

6
Indiana
North Carolina

13
Nebraska
West Virginia primary

20
Kentucky
Oregon

27
Idaho Republican primary
June

3
Montana primary
New Mexico Republican primary
South Dakota
August

Aug. 25-28
Democratic National Convention — Denver, CO
September

Sept. 1-4
Republican National Convention — Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN

Jae0
02-06-2008, 12:02 AM
exactly.

flames2dust77
02-06-2008, 12:04 AM
none of the above.

Perry
02-06-2008, 12:05 AM
This poll sucks and Ron is too smart to do either.

cindy25
02-06-2008, 12:16 AM
Libertarian

time to be practical, they have ballot access in 50 states

Jae0
02-06-2008, 12:17 AM
Libertarian

time to be practical, they have ballot access in 50 states

No third party run till the rest of us get our say.

MayTheRonBeWithYou
02-06-2008, 12:18 AM
Republican. We have to stay until the end. Fight it all the way out.

Wrong answer.

MayTheRonBeWithYou
02-06-2008, 12:18 AM
Be quiet and lend your help to the campaign for Republican president or go to bed.

Dude, have you been watching the news today?????

LukeNM
02-06-2008, 12:20 AM
Neither

Prez22
02-06-2008, 12:21 AM
Be quiet and lend your help to the campaign for Republican president or go to bed.

Dude............. take a chill pill. :cool:

I am voting Ron Paul NO MATTER WHAT!!!! Republican, Independent, 3rd Party....... I simply don't care. I'll write the man's name in if I have to.

The Republican Party I knew is gone. It has been overrun, destroyed, annilhilated, vanquished, over medicated or something. :(

Jae0
02-06-2008, 12:21 AM
Dude, have you been watching the news today?????

Since when do we give a shit about what the media tells us?

ronpaulblogsdotcom
02-06-2008, 12:22 AM
A poll with two lame choices? GTFO

smartpeople4ronpaul
02-06-2008, 12:22 AM
REPUBLICAN.

IF 3rd party means a FRAT PARTY and Independent means STAG.............

kill the banks
02-06-2008, 12:23 AM
neither ... study politics & history a little more genius

kill the banks

Alex Libman
02-06-2008, 12:23 AM
Libertarian Party. Ron Paul can bring us into seven-digit numbers for the first time in our history, and that momentum will be retained in 2012. An Independent run would be a waste of time and I won't vote for him.

Kludge
02-06-2008, 12:24 AM
LP

RPTXState
02-06-2008, 12:28 AM
If we had time to wait until September for the RNC bosses to kick us out, we would wait until September.

But we don't.

If we're going to go independant/3rd party, we need to decide that ASAP, at least by February 28th.

If not, then we'll stay Republican until September and the RNC bosses refuse to consider Paul at the Convention. Then it'll be too late to go independant.

MayTheRonBeWithYou
02-06-2008, 12:28 AM
The LP is a f*cking mess. You people cannot even agree on traffic signals and basic stuff.

MayTheRonBeWithYou
02-06-2008, 12:30 AM
If we had time to wait until September for the RNC bosses to kick us out, we would wait until September.

But we don't.

If we're going to go independant/3rd party, we need to decide that ASAP, at least by February 28th.

If not, then we'll stay Republican until September and the RNC bosses refuse to consider Paul at the Convention. Then it'll be too late to go independant.

Exactly.

Please contact the campaign and urge an independent run.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/contact/form

Jae0
02-06-2008, 12:31 AM
NO. Never. WHY GIVE UP AFTER ONLY HALF THE STATES HAVE VOTED?

blakjak
02-06-2008, 12:33 AM
An Independent run would be a waste of time and I won't vote for him.

If Ron Paul gets on the general election ballot in November, you would pass up on your chance to vote for the finest patriot we have seen in over 200 years?

RPTXState
02-06-2008, 12:36 AM
NO. Never. WHY GIVE UP AFTER ONLY HALF THE STATES HAVE VOTED?

Are the other half going to have a magic turnaround?

If we won every state from now on, then yes, that would make sense.

But McCain is the "frontrunner" (whatever that means), and hes unlikely to be unseated by Romney, let alone us.

It's time to be realistic, not suicidal.

colecrowe
02-06-2008, 08:06 PM
Are the other half going to have a magic turnaround?

If we won every state from now on, then yes, that would make sense.

But McCain is the "frontrunner" (whatever that means), and hes unlikely to be unseated by Romney, let alone us.

It's time to be realistic, not suicidal.

No, it's obvious that Ron Paul will win 90% of the remaining states. And then there will clearly be a brokered convention and Ron Paul will win.

What is insane and stupid to think is that Ron Paul has ANY chance in hell of succeeding as an iNDEPENDENT candidate. People that believe that are trolls and are giving up and have never and will never really support Paul, and they are stupid and offer no evidence.

Whereas, just look at the abundance of evidence that he can win the GOP Nomination...

And besides, sticking with and "changing" the GOP is way more important that getting Ron Paul in the Whitehouse. And also, having Ron Paul is way more important than mounting an independent bid for president--because the independent bid isn't certain.

You say you want proof that Ron Paul will win the Republican Nomination, well fine, you idiot troll satanic person that says you will support Ron Paul as an independent and give thousands more, get signatures, and canvass until your feet fall off and phone explodes (you obvious non-supporter of Ron Paul). Well, here's your evidence...

Just go back and find all the posts that say:

"Why RP will win in IOWA"
"Iowa picks corn, New Hampshire picks presidents"
"New Hampshire: 92% stupid"
"Why Ron Paul will WIN in Nevada"
"Why Ron Paul will win in Montans"
"Don't give up hope! RON PAUL WILL GET 1ST IN NORTH DAKOTA"
"Arabs will give Ron Paul 2nd place or better in Michigan"
"Ron Paul will win Alaska"

and if you still doubt the cause after all that evidence, just look what's up now:

"Ron Paul to get 1st place in Washington...Guaranteed...For Reals this time!!!!!"

Vox Populi
02-06-2008, 10:45 PM
I vote Indy.

RonRules
02-07-2008, 12:03 AM
Anything BUT Republican for me.

Lesbian midget party, what ever. Ron Paul has to switch.

RonRules
02-07-2008, 12:05 AM
I was around for the Perot elections in Minnesota and helped out.

The fervor and the support for Ron Paul is 10X what it was for Perot.

I'm still in shock how low the vote was for Ron Paul.

morerocklesstalk
02-07-2008, 12:36 AM
I was around for the Perot elections in Minnesota and helped out.

The fervor and the support for Ron Paul is 10X what it was for Perot.

I'm still in shock how low the vote was for Ron Paul.

I hope people don't get down on an indepedent run just because we don't get the highest percentages in the Republican primaries, this doesn't mean we can't get them in the election.

During the national election, many more people will vote. It won't be only old people and party loyalists voting. Many people aren't as enthuastic as us about politics and were not willing to go through the hassle of changing parties just to vote in a primary, but they will be there for the general election.

People are more hungry now for an Indepedent canidate than ever.

RonRules
02-07-2008, 10:38 AM
All I hope for is for Hillary to win. I want to see 50% of the Democrats (Obama voters) totally disillusioned and join us in a glorious independent run.

Many Republicans will also not want to vote for McCain.

We can win this as a 3rd party.

MN Patriot
02-08-2008, 02:21 PM
Sorry, Constitution Party people, but the Libertarian Party has ballot access in more states, will probably have it in all 50 states if Ron runs for the LP. The Constitution Party and LP are almost identical anyway.

Independent means you have to spend millions of dollars just getting on the ballot, something that the LP has already done.

True, the LP is a mess, like someone commented they can't even agree about traffic signals. The LP needs to get competent people in positions of leadership, so they can actually succeed this election or next. That is where the Ron Paul revolution comes in. If all of Ron's supporters joined the LP and it gets candidates running for all congressional seats, it could suddenly become a major party that will put the Republican Party out of business.

RPinUptownChi
02-08-2008, 03:47 PM
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morerocklesstalk
02-08-2008, 04:19 PM
You might want to listen to your parents and girlfriend. You don't want to scare people away from your message.

RPinUptownChi
02-08-2008, 04:40 PM
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morerocklesstalk
02-08-2008, 05:09 PM
Dude the idea of a McCain presidency scares me.

The idea of war with Iran scares me.

The fact they want to build a bunch of Blackwater bases around the country scares me. I think they want to do that so that they can send 100% of the National Guard abroad and then keep everyone under control at home.

The message is a little scary, I know. I'd rather watch the scary stuff on the web and keep it from happening, rather than living through it later.

Also my folks are fine, and my girlfriend is fine too. They aren't going anywhere :)

I agree with you on those issues.

I'm not refering to scaring away your girlfriend or family, I mean potential voters for Ron Paul that you might be trying to persuade. If you come across as maniac and over-emotional people will just tune you out.

Lovecraftian4Paul
02-08-2008, 05:16 PM
I said independent. However, I think if he really needed to, he could use the ballot lines and endorsement of these three parties which have already mostly fallen for Dr. Paul: Libertarian, Constitution, and Reform Part remnants. Maybe a couple other regional parties like the Minnesota Independence Party.

And that's really nothing to scoff at, that's a huge base of third party support. The only ones who wouldn't be on the freedom train would be the usual perennial Socialist minor parties and the Greens.

RPinUptownChi
02-08-2008, 05:45 PM
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grizzums
02-08-2008, 06:01 PM
Ignorant question...sorry.

Çould Paul theoretically still run as a Republican even if he does not win the nomination?

RPinUptownChi
02-08-2008, 07:33 PM
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morerocklesstalk
02-08-2008, 07:54 PM
I prefer Independent because it will turn away potential Democrats votes away. People won't be able to put us in any cookie cutter mold.

To win the national election we would need some turnout from both sides.

RPinUptownChi
02-08-2008, 09:47 PM
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