DON'T BE DISCOURAGED! The Real Campaign Hasn't Yet Begun

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Ron has not been able to reveal his true plan, because he was running in the GOP primary, in order to give the party one last chance, and in order to build up a movement like this one! We have succeeded beyond our wildest dreams! But the real goal all along was never these stupid GOP primaries. It was an independent run.

If you know this, then you never, ever get discouraged by these retarded GOP dog and pony shows with a bunch of war-mongers and big-spending Republicans competing to tell you who is going to get us into more wars and bankrupt us faster. The whole thing is a joke, and Ron knows it.

People, what do you have to be sad about??? NOTHING! We have built a massive revolutionary base from out of thin air in less than a year. And we still have eight months left. The chains and the shackles are about to come off this campaign, and the real Ron Paul is about to be unleashed! So keep your heads up.

THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cinderella]

i hope what u say is right........

[born2drv]

I will not support an independent run. I hope Ron Paul launches a new organization and spearheads the revitalization of the conservative movement.

[pebcak]

Or what happens if there is a brokered convention and he threatens to run 3rd party, hence taking away a good percentage of the Republican vote? This isn't over by any means.

I hope everyone will be standing with me tomorrow!

[bc2208]

I will not support an independent run. I hope Ron Paul launches a new organization and spearheads the revitalization of the conservative movement.

Right, you'd vote McCain.

[kyleAF]

I will not support an independent run. I hope Ron Paul launches a new organization and spearheads the revitalization of the conservative movement.

I will support the cause of freedom. No matter the form it takes.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I will not support an independent run. I hope Ron Paul launches a new organization and spearheads the revitalization of the conservative movement.

See you later. Good luck. You've been a good poster here.

[born2drv]

Right, you'd vote McCain.

No, I'd vote Obama before McCain, and not because I like Obama, but because I wish to see the republican party self-destruct and hope that Ron Paul republicans are there to pick up the peices with the man Ron Paul himself leading those in congress.

[jbuttell]

Whatever it takes, I'm here as long as Ron Paul is.

[TNFreedom]

Ron has not been able to reveal his true plan, because he was running in the GOP primary, in order to give the party one last chance, and in order to build up a movement like this one! We have succeeded beyond our wildest dreams! But the real goal all along was never these stupid GOP primaries. It was an independent run.

If you know this, then you never, ever get discouraged by these retarded GOP dog and pony shows with a bunch of war-mongers and big-spending Republicans competing to tell you who is going to get us into more wars and bankrupt us faster. The whole thing is a joke, and Ron knows it.

People, what do you have to be sad about??? NOTHING! We have built a massive revolutionary base from out of thin air in less than a year. And we still have eight months left. The chains and the shackles are about to come off this campaign, and the real Ron Paul is about to be unleashed! So keep your heads up.

THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen brother. So refreshing to hear a voice of reason. We have to start gearing up RIGHT NOW!

[m72mc]

stop being a sucker for propaganda and cointelpro !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu3c_BANIz0

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Amen brother. So refreshing to hear a voice of reason. We have to start gearing up RIGHT NOW!

YES!! Imagine another 8 months to canvass, plant signs, convert people, spread the word, raise money, get Ron into the debates, and on and on! Most Americans have never even heard of Ron Paul right now. We have truly only just begun.

[ronpaulitician]

No, I'd vote Obama before McCain, and not because I like Obama, but because I wish to see the republican party self-destruct and hope that Ron Paul republicans are there to pick up the peices with the man Ron Paul himself leading those in congress.
Makes sense then not to support an independent run in theory, but what about in practice?

[born2drv]

See you later. Good luck. You've been a good poster here.

I'm not going anywhere ;) I still support this movement, I just don't think Paul will be anywhere near effective as a 3rd party, independent or libertarian candidate. The people are not ready for him, and he's not some multi-billionaire. I think he needs to concentrate on reforming the republican party. This is what he has said all along and I support him in this endeavor 100% and all those that are sure to follow in his footsteps... but in the REPUBLICAN party. Unfortunately this is the system we have and it's not going to change anytime soon.

[westmich4paul]

No, I'd vote Obama before McCain, and not because I like Obama, but because I wish to see the republican party self-destruct and hope that Ron Paul republicans are there to pick up the peices with the man Ron Paul himself leading those in congress.

Anyone who would not vote Ron Paul until the very end and would vote for any other candidate is not really a supporter of this movement. I am sorry and hopefuly i do not offend anyone but this is just plain ole b.s. You don't change loyalties because your team is losing I do not care who you are. So go ahead jump camps didn't need ya anyways.

[AlexMerced]

3rdparty is a bad idea, we'll alinate a lot of potential freedom fighters

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I'm not going anywhere ;) I still support this movement, I just don't think Paul will be anywhere near effective as a 3rd party, independent or libertarian candidate. The people are not ready for him, and he's not some multi-billionaire. I think he needs to concentrate on reforming the republican party. This is what he has said all along and I support him in this endeavor 100% and all those that are sure to follow in his footsteps... but in the REPUBLICAN party. Unfortunately this is the system we have and it's not going to change anytime soon.

So your loyalty is to the GOP, not to Ron and his message? :confused:

[Madison]

The biggest problem is still name recognition, that's for sure. The GOP doesn't deserve Ron Paul.

However to make this happen we need to make sure we tell him to run as an Independent and we have to run a grassroots campaign that makes the current one look small. We aren't going to win with a centralized campaign and a lot of money. It has to be 100% grassroots.

Forget the corporate media, GOP, and every other political party. We need no party. We are America.

[Pauls' Revere]

In a battle with British forces and his ship sinking beneath him, out-gunned, and out-numbered, the British Commander requested a full surrender from Captian Jones. His reply?

I HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO FIGHT!

Captian John Paul Jones won the battle sinking the enemy man-o-war!

Never give up the ship!

[born2drv]

Makes sense then not to support an independent run in theory, but what about in practice?

The way I look at it if I vote indy/libertarian/3p it's -1 vote against republicans.... if I vote dem it's -2 votes for republicans. I'd rather punish the repubs double. The dems will win in a landslide, this is unstoppable.

And when Obama/Clinton take away all our guns, increase taxes, force mediocre health care on us and force us more to the center in socialist programs and tax us to death.... and when they stop the war in Iraq and it becomes a non-issue for republicans, they will all cry for a conservative and a ron paul republican will emerge as our next president in 2012.

[Paulitician]

I agree the "real campaign hasn't yet begun" because most people in the campaign don't know how to campaign at all.

What I see the ultimate goal this year is voting for Ron Paul in the general election. I don't care if he stays a Republican, goes independent/3rd, or stops campaigning in which we'll have to write his name in. After that, I'm going to start studying and spreading the the message for my entire life like Ron Paul is doing: educating people (I wont be running for any office though). F*ck old people. It's people 40 and younger who will know this message and these principles and who hopefully can make a difference in 20 years or so.

[steve005]

Ron has not been able to reveal his true plan, because he was running in the GOP primary, in order to give the party one last chance, and in order to build up a movement like this one! We have succeeded beyond our wildest dreams! But the real goal all along was never these stupid GOP primaries. It was an independent run.

If you know this, then you never, ever get discouraged by these retarded GOP dog and pony shows with a bunch of war-mongers and big-spending Republicans competing to tell you who is going to get us into more wars and bankrupt us faster. The whole thing is a joke, and Ron knows it.

People, what do you have to be sad about??? NOTHING! We have built a massive revolutionary base from out of thin air in less than a year. And we still have eight months left. The chains and the shackles are about to come off this campaign, and the real Ron Paul is about to be unleashed! So keep your heads up.

THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


100%!



I will support the cause of freedom. No matter the form it takes

ditto

[born2drv]

So your loyalty is to the GOP, not to Ron and his message? :confused:

No. I'm just being realistic here. The way for Paul to help this country best is to work within the framework of the GOP, not going the 3p route.

Before 2008 Ron Paul was a nobody. Now he's a somebody and you can bet every republican in congress will be wondering how he votes on the next bill so they can all have as conservative a record as he does. Ron Paul can lead the republican congress, he has political capital still. I just don't want him to waste it away running 3p and killing the conservative movement.

[Patriot123]

All we can do is pray. And pray is what I'll do.

Godspeed.

[Pauls' Revere]

In a battle with British forces and his ship sinking beneath him, out-gunned, and out-numbered, the British Commander requested a full surrender from Captian Jones. His reply?

I HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO FIGHT!

Captian John Paul Jones won the battle sinking the enemy man-o-war!

Never give up the ship!

[molly_pitcher]

I vote no for 3rd party.

[buffalokid777]

No. I'm just being realistic here. The way for Paul to help this country best is to work within the framework of the GOP, not going the 3p route.

Before 2008 Ron Paul was a nobody. Now he's a somebody and you can bet every republican in congress will be wondering how he votes on the next bill so they can all have as conservative a record as he does. Ron Paul can lead the republican congress, he has political capital still. I just don't want him to waste it away running 3p and killing the conservative movement.

Your logic is flawed, if RP runs third party, he won't be killing the conservative movement, the Neocons running the GOP are killing the conservative movement. And every so called conservative that continues to support the neocon money pit known as Iraq, are the ones helping to kill the conservative movement too.

[louisiana4liberty]

The way I look at it if I vote indy/libertarian/3p it's -1 vote against republicans.... if I vote dem it's -2 votes for republicans. I'd rather punish the repubs double. The dems will win in a landslide, this is unstoppable.

And when Obama/Clinton take away all our guns, increase taxes, force mediocre health care on us and force us more to the center in socialist programs and tax us to death.... and when they stop the war in Iraq and it becomes a non-issue for republicans, they will all cry for a conservative and a ron paul republican will emerge as our next president in 2012.

RP would be 77 years old in Nov 2012. I don't think the public would elect a 77 year old president. He would be 81 at the end of his first term. I think this is RP's last chance at the presidency.:cool:

[born2drv]

Your logic is flawed, if RP runs third party, he won't be killing the conservative movement, the Neocons running the GOP are killing the conservative movement. And every so called conservative that continues to support the neocon money pit known as Iraq, are the ones helping to kill the conservative movement too.

There are a lot of people trying to kill the conservative movement. Look I'm not being down on Ron Paul, on the contrary I support him 100% after today. But not as a presidential candidate. I think we've run as far as we can, we don't have the media on our side, the people have been far too brainwashed and are just uneducated sheep unfortunately, and the establishment forces against us are just too great.

But that doesn't mean Ron Paul can't achieve many more victories, and those that follow in his footsteps can't achieve greatness and retake this party. And he doesn't even need to just focus on reforming the republican party, he can help/advise/endorse many other candidates of all party affiliations.

The point is, I support liberty 100% in any form it comes in, but I just hope Paul gracefully bows out and vows to keep this base together and continue this fight for when conservatives are ready for a change.

[AlexMerced]

There are a lot of people trying to kill the conservative movement. Look I'm not being down on Ron Paul, on the contrary I support him 100% after today. But not as a presidential candidate. I think we've run as far as we can, we don't have the media on our side, the people have been far too brainwashed and are just uneducated sheep unfortunately, and the establishment forces against us are just too great.

But that doesn't mean Ron Paul can't achieve many more victories, and those that follow in his footsteps can't achieve greatness and retake this party. And he doesn't even need to just focus on reforming the republican party, he can help/advise/endorse many other candidates of all party affiliations.

The point is, I support liberty 100% in any form it comes in, but I just hope Paul gracefully bows out and vows to keep this base together and continue this fight for when conservatives are ready for a change.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=113160 <---- there's the answer

[Drknows]

No, I'd vote Obama before McCain, and not because I like Obama, but because I wish to see the republican party self-destruct and hope that Ron Paul republicans are there to pick up the peices with the man Ron Paul himself leading those in congress.

Obamas going to lose.

[WRellim]

The way I look at it if I vote indy/libertarian/3p it's -1 vote against republicans.... if I vote dem it's -2 votes for republicans. I'd rather punish the repubs double. The dems will win in a landslide, this is unstoppable.

And when Obama/Clinton take away all our guns, increase taxes, force mediocre health care on us and force us more to the center in socialist programs and tax us to death.... and when they stop the war in Iraq and it becomes a non-issue for republicans, they will all cry for a conservative and a ron paul republican will emerge as our next president in 2012.

I do believe in Libertarian Billionaires and 3rd Party Runs, I do, I do...

I do believe in Libertarian Billionaires and 3rd Party Runs, I do, I do...

I do believe in Libertarian Billionaires and 3rd Party Runs, I do, I do...

I do believe in Libertarian Billionaires and 3rd Party Runs, I do, I do...

I do believe in Libertarian Billionaires and 3rd Party Runs, I do, I do...




Ahhh, nah I don't... grew out of that and all other childish "Santa Claus" type fantasies LONG ago.


I believe it's time to stay ABOVE GROUND with Ron Paul, and get to work on TRUE revolution work, prepping the ground for the future.

[tnvoter]

Or what happens if there is a brokered convention and he threatens to run 3rd party, hence taking away a good percentage of the Republican vote? This isn't over by any means.

I hope everyone will be standing with me tomorrow!


I'm with ya on this. THE GOP NEEDS our MILLIONS of votes total after the primaries, and we will ONLY be voting for a conservative.

Dr. Paul needs to make demands, I certainly will decline my vote for the GOP unless it is as CONSERVATIVE movement in 2008 for November.

[Kotin]

im in till the end.


its true though, he needed the GOP for the debates

but he still has a convention to attend.

[Vet_from_cali]

how the hell you going to say the campaign hastn started?
its super F******* tuesday, even if it were a brokered convention, WE NEED TO WIN 5 STATES to participate! so i hear. gawd im so frustrated.....




ill still be here till the end though....

[dan barry]

There shouldn't be any party system. It's all a crock a' shit. Also, all the primaries should be held on the same day to eliminate the Media's contrivance-factor. Just vote for the smartest dude....all the way till November, even if Ron runs as Muckrakin' Democrat. Who gives a shit. Tomorrow is the beginning of the end for MSM's invisibility. We will destroy them from the Intestines out(they have no heart or soul).

[mtj89]

unlike the other candidates, ron paul consistently grows

[rajibo]

I don't know, if he's not the president, I still want to have at least one voice of reason in Congress.

I'm torn.

[flames2dust77]

I do not agree with a 3rd party run. And maybe I don't because I haven't seen or heard all sides of it. BUT, If Dr. Paul decides he wants to run on a 3rd party ticket...I will support him. I've always admired Dr. Paul for how intelligent he is. He knows what he's doing. Can't say the same for HQ though...but that's another thread.:)

[Vet_from_cali]

unlike the other candidates, ron paul consistently grows

im in california, and he hasnt improved at all :rolleyes:

matter of fact he is losing to the ghoul and fred. :(

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I do not agree with a 3rd party run. And maybe I don't because I haven't seen or heard all sides of it. BUT, If Dr. Paul decides he wants to run on a 3rd party ticket...I will support him. I've always admired Dr. Paul for how intelligent he is. He knows what he's doing. Can't say the same for HQ though...but that's another thread.:)

A lot of people here are too young to remember Ross Perot's independent run in 1992, but Perot damn near won the white house. I'm telling you guys... IT CAN BE DONE.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I agree the "real campaign hasn't yet begun" because most people in the campaign don't know how to campaign at all.

What I see the ultimate goal this year is voting for Ron Paul in the general election. I don't care if he stays a Republican, goes independent/3rd, or stops campaigning in which we'll have to write his name in. After that, I'm going to start studying and spreading the the message for my entire life like Ron Paul is doing

You are a patriot, sir!

[buffalokid777]

A lot of people here are too young to remember Ross Perot's independent run in 1992, but Perot damn near won the white house. I'm telling you guys... IT CAN BE DONE.

I'm old enough to remember Ross Perot's run. I would disagree with you he damn near won the whitehouse, but he made enough of a splash to get in the debates, and make some noise til he imploded.

I do however agree a 3rd party run can be done, and won.

First there is a huge difference between RP an Perot. Perot was a cranky old rich guy who financed his election.....kind of like a Mitt Romney, but not fake like Mitt. Perot actually spoke his mind....he wasn't saying what he thought you wanted to hear like Mitt.

RP on the other hand is a candidate of the people. He was persuaded to do this.

The real key to a third party run is financing. $6-7 million a month until november and a 180,000 precinct leaders by September 1st is what it it will take to win.

We are at 40-45% name recognition now, but only at about 20% platform recognition.

The key to winning a third party run is simple. You need to keep getting the message out. 180,000 precdint leaders to knock on every door in america to make sure we can reach every american possible.

The donation until the end of summer should be used for commercials. Particulary in anti war states.

I live in NY, a very blue state, many people here that wouldn't vote for Ron in a general election because of the Republican in front of his name, would vote for RP over Hillary anyday if he was an independent. Also the anti-war stance seems to appeal to everyone except the majority of the GOP. The anti-war stance will never wash in the GOP. The anti war stance will always be a thorn in the side of RP for any kind of respect or political capital in the GOP.

We tried the GOP route, once the money started rolling in, MSM treated RP like a third party candidate anyway, in terms of coverage.

There is only one way left to break through the MSM blockade, and that is to buy our way through it. That's what perot did, and Romney attempted to do this year (It worked for Mitt, he got the name recognition....but most people who saw him knew he was as fake as a 3 dollar bill so it was all for naught for mitt.

Most dollars spent by HQ until the end of summer would have to be on TV advertising with excellent ads that would sway the legions of braindead americans that can be convinced to do what their TV tells them.

As national polls creeped above 15%, the MSM would have no choice but to report on RP like they had to with Perot.

The third party run is the way to go.....$6-7 million a month and 180,000 precinct leaders by september 1st.....and we could make history.

[Karsten]

The force is with you, MayTheRon

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I think it is possible to win a 3rd party race, BUT, Ron is simply not going to do it. Period.

[Shaun]

Ron has not been able to reveal his true plan, because he was running in the GOP primary, in order to give the party one last chance, and in order to build up a movement like this one! We have succeeded beyond our wildest dreams! But the real goal all along was never these stupid GOP primaries. It was an independent run.

If you know this, then you never, ever get discouraged by these retarded GOP dog and pony shows with a bunch of war-mongers and big-spending Republicans competing to tell you who is going to get us into more wars and bankrupt us faster. The whole thing is a joke, and Ron knows it.

People, what do you have to be sad about??? NOTHING! We have built a massive revolutionary base from out of thin air in less than a year. And we still have eight months left. The chains and the shackles are about to come off this campaign, and the real Ron Paul is about to be unleashed! So keep your heads up.

THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a complete pile of BS...look we all love RP but it's done. He won't stay in because he's smart. He's accomplished miracles in the campaign but tonights votes don't lie. We got our ASS fully and totally kicked all over the country. It's been an amazing ride and all you guys under 25 or 30 will keep yourselves going but tonight was beyond a disaster.
No surprise to me; AMERICA is all image baby...and Ron didn't get the pros on board. Period. He has spent a large amount of money for 20 delegates! I think if you do the math in the morning he's at the same effectiveness level as our resident MBA: Mitt Romney.. So, carry on if you wish and let those who want to drink the Kool Aid keep drinking it. I predict RP will bow out shortly. If he doesn't he will hurt his ability to broker any real change down the road.
BO will be the next President.
God Bless Ron Paul and all his amazing supporters, it's been great...:)

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Good post, buffalokid.

[qwerty]

Ron has not been able to reveal his true plan, because he was running in the GOP primary, in order to give the party one last chance, and in order to build up a movement like this one! We have succeeded beyond our wildest dreams! But the real goal all along was never these stupid GOP primaries. It was an independent run.

If you know this, then you never, ever get discouraged by these retarded GOP dog and pony shows with a bunch of war-mongers and big-spending Republicans competing to tell you who is going to get us into more wars and bankrupt us faster. The whole thing is a joke, and Ron knows it.

People, what do you have to be sad about??? NOTHING! We have built a massive revolutionary base from out of thin air in less than a year. And we still have eight months left. The chains and the shackles are about to come off this campaign, and the real Ron Paul is about to be unleashed! So keep your heads up.

THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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[wowabunga]

Look at the numbers.... Dems are getting votes tonight in the 100's of thousands and the Republicans are in the 10's of thousands. The population is voting Democrat. Staying as a Republican doesn't make sense.

As to voting for anyone but Ron Paul for me.... ain't gonna happen. I'll never vote for one candidate just to keep another out. I want my country back.

[VoteForRonPaul]

I hope Ron Paul launches a new organization and spearheads the revitalization of the conservative movement.


I will support the cause of freedom. No matter the form it takes.

I agree with both of you!

[expatinireland]

I'm old enough to remember Ross Perot's run. I would disagree with you he damn near won the whitehouse, but he made enough of a splash to get in the debates, and make some noise til he imploded.



I worked on Perot's campaign in Florida and as you say, he imploded - after he did that I stopped working on the campaign as it was clear to me that he wasn't able for the job.

If he hadn't done himself in, Perot could have given them a run for the money.

[dave68]

I agree with Buffalo Kid. A 3rd party run can win "THIS YEAR"! Everyone you talk to is pissed about everything. A LOT of the Dems in NY do not like Hillary, or Barack. IF a candidate can point out how the Dems/GOP candidates are identical it is possible. Remember Nafta, illegal immigration, the war, and nothing is going to be done about the dollar/economy. Now u possibly throw in Bloomberg who will siphon off liberal votes. Anything can happen!!
Ross Perot DID have 30% in the polls until he dropped out. That killed his campaign. He ended up with 19% of the vote. People remember he was right about Nafta to. As the economy continues to tank the candidates will be under a microscope on how they are going to fix things.

[wackybrak]

Ron Paul has basically made it clear he wasn't planning on running third-party, so claiming it was his "plan" all along is not only naive, it's utterly stupid. That being said, of course I'll support him, whatever his decision. But don't make these blindingly ignorant statements.

[dave68]

I forgot to say Ron should continue on to the convention, but hopefully is laying the groundwork for a possible 3rd party run. There is a lot of people who would vote for Ron in a general election who couldn`t in the various primaries. I had 30 people who could not because they were not registered republicans here in NY.

[lost_in_samoa]

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[lost_in_samoa]

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[Pauls' Revere]

This is the beginning of another 40 years of Democrat contol of the house and senate.

Prediction: next Republican president will be 2048 and I'll be dead.

[Hook]

Why did Ross implode in your opinion?

Because he started saying things that made everyone think he was crazy. Plus dropping out all summer then getting back in ruined his credability.

[Broadlighter]

Because he started saying things that made everyone think he was crazy. Plus dropping out all summer then getting back in ruined his credability.


Ross Perot claimed his family was being threatened and made a big flap of it in the MSM. True or not, it blew his credibility, especially when he decided to get back in the race during the Fall. However, he did accomplish one of his goals and that was ensuring that George H.W. Bush would not be re-elected.

[Ex Post Facto]

I voted for Ross Perot, I thought we needed a different direction. Every damn person I've voted for hasn't won lol.

[Crickett]

Ron Paul has basically made it clear he wasn't planning on running third-party, so claiming it was his "plan" all along is not only naive, it's utterly stupid. That being said, of course I'll support him, whatever his decision. But don't make these blindingly ignorant statements.

Hear, hear. I am SO tired of this 3rd part stuff on and on and on..he as said he won't. There are a LOT of good reasons why not. I will do what he wants, not what people keep pushingl.

[Carole]

Exactly! Ron Paul Radio is just now talking about delegates.

Anyone in Florida needs to sign up to be a delegate starting today. The more who sign up, the better. To take back the Republican party, you need all the delegates possible.

Only delegates elect the nominee. If nominee does not win on first ballot, you can vote for whomever you want to in most states.

Remeber, 60,000 voters voted for Dr. Paul. If you can get a thousand to be delegates, you can take Florida at the convention. This process begins today. Please speak with your groups and precinct leaders for more and better information in all the states about the correct information you will need.

[LinuxUser269]

I will not support an independent run. I hope Ron Paul launches a new organization and spearheads the revitalization of the conservative movement.
I will support him what ever he decides to do.

[jointhefightforfreedom]

No, I'd vote Obama before McCain, and not because I like Obama, but because I wish to see the republican party self-destruct and hope that Ron Paul republicans are there to pick up the peices with the man Ron Paul himself leading those in congress.

To bad the country will fall from recession to depression by then!

Fight for freedom!

I sure am glad founding fathers didn't give up so easily!!!!!!!

WE ARE HEADED FOR A BROKERED CONVENTION!!!
it is more so than unlikely! When that happens all the primaries and delegates get erased!!! and we start over!

and what a brokered convention would do is exactly what you describe above!

[expatinireland]

Ross Perot claimed his family was being threatened and made a big flap of it in the MSM. True or not, it blew his credibility, especially when he decided to get back in the race during the Fall.

He lost at least half of his campaign workers when he dropped out. I still voted for him but I wasn't going to invest any more of my time or money.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I agree with Buffalo Kid. A 3rd party run can win "THIS YEAR"! Everyone you talk to is pissed about everything. A LOT of the Dems in NY do not like Hillary, or Barack. IF a candidate can point out how the Dems/GOP candidates are identical it is possible. Remember Nafta, illegal immigration, the war, and nothing is going to be done about the dollar/economy. Now u possibly throw in Bloomberg who will siphon off liberal votes. Anything can happen!!
Ross Perot DID have 30% in the polls until he dropped out. That killed his campaign. He ended up with 19% of the vote. People remember he was right about Nafta to. As the economy continues to tank the candidates will be under a microscope on how they are going to fix things.

I think Perot reached as high as 40% or more in the race before he melted down. He was leading both Bush and Clinton.

[HazardPerry]

Ron has not been able to reveal his true plan, because he was running in the GOP primary, in order to give the party one last chance, and in order to build up a movement like this one! We have succeeded beyond our wildest dreams! But the real goal all along was never these stupid GOP primaries. It was an independent run.

If you know this, then you never, ever get discouraged by these retarded GOP dog and pony shows with a bunch of war-mongers and big-spending Republicans competing to tell you who is going to get us into more wars and bankrupt us faster. The whole thing is a joke, and Ron knows it.

People, what do you have to be sad about??? NOTHING! We have built a massive revolutionary base from out of thin air in less than a year. And we still have eight months left. The chains and the shackles are about to come off this campaign, and the real Ron Paul is about to be unleashed! So keep your heads up.

THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MayTheRon, over the months, you've made some silly statements, but for God's sake...

[Computer]

Ron has not been able to reveal his true plan, because he was running in the GOP primary, in order to give the party one last chance, and in order to build up a movement like this one! We have succeeded beyond our wildest dreams! But the real goal all along was never these stupid GOP primaries. It was an independent run.

If you know this, then you never, ever get discouraged by these retarded GOP dog and pony shows with a bunch of war-mongers and big-spending Republicans competing to tell you who is going to get us into more wars and bankrupt us faster. The whole thing is a joke, and Ron knows it.

People, what do you have to be sad about??? NOTHING! We have built a massive revolutionary base from out of thin air in less than a year. And we still have eight months left. The chains and the shackles are about to come off this campaign, and the real Ron Paul is about to be unleashed! So keep your heads up.

THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And what's your source on this? Paul needs to go third party NOW.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

And what's your source on this? Paul needs to go third party NOW.

Email the campaign and ask him to run!!

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/contact/form

[Laja]

California is a blue state. How can you expect him to win there? It just won't happen. And don't bring up Ah-nold. He did a lot to enrich people in the movie biz and they paid him back for that.

We need to keep moving forward. There are more states left with primaries coming up. We need to continue to fund our tireless and selfless leader. If we give up, we were never behind this rEVOLution in the first place.

[Laja]

I worked on Perot's campaign in Florida and as you say, he imploded - after he did that I stopped working on the campaign as it was clear to me that he wasn't able for the job.

If he hadn't done himself in, Perot could have given them a run for the money.

What do you mean "done himself in?" It's my understanding that Perot's family was experiencing death threats if he didn't bow out. I think instead of "done himself in" he saved a family member's life by bowing out.

[Wyurm]

Ron has not been able to reveal his true plan, because he was running in the GOP primary, in order to give the party one last chance, and in order to build up a movement like this one! We have succeeded beyond our wildest dreams! But the real goal all along was never these stupid GOP primaries. It was an independent run.

If you know this, then you never, ever get discouraged by these retarded GOP dog and pony shows with a bunch of war-mongers and big-spending Republicans competing to tell you who is going to get us into more wars and bankrupt us faster. The whole thing is a joke, and Ron knows it.

People, what do you have to be sad about??? NOTHING! We have built a massive revolutionary base from out of thin air in less than a year. And we still have eight months left. The chains and the shackles are about to come off this campaign, and the real Ron Paul is about to be unleashed! So keep your heads up.

THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's going to be very sad seeing you cry when you find out that Ron doesn't lie and as he has stated many times, is NOT going to run 3rd party. It would have been nice for the 3rd party advocates to have helped get him nominated, but ah well.

oh, and I'm not being sarcastic, it really will be sad. As futile as it would be I would rather he ran independent or 3rd party just so I could vote for him again, but he won't as he has repeatedly stated.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

It's going to be very sad seeing you cry when you find out that Ron doesn't lie and as he has stated many times, is NOT going to run 3rd party. It would have been nice for the 3rd party advocates to have helped get him nominated, but ah well.

You mean like donating to every money bomb and canvassing and passing out slims every week at churches and movie theaters?? I have supported his GOP run more than 90% of the people here.

[familydog]

You mean like donating to every money bomb and canvassing and passing out slims every week at churches and movie theaters?? I have supported his GOP run more than 90% of the people here.

That's a pretty big statement with nothing to back it up.

[NinjaPirate]

Ron has not been able to reveal his true plan, because he was running in the GOP primary, in order to give the party one last chance, and in order to build up a movement like this one! We have succeeded beyond our wildest dreams! But the real goal all along was never these stupid GOP primaries. It was an independent run.

If you know this, then you never, ever get discouraged by these retarded GOP dog and pony shows with a bunch of war-mongers and big-spending Republicans competing to tell you who is going to get us into more wars and bankrupt us faster. The whole thing is a joke, and Ron knows it.

People, what do you have to be sad about??? NOTHING! We have built a massive revolutionary base from out of thin air in less than a year. And we still have eight months left. The chains and the shackles are about to come off this campaign, and the real Ron Paul is about to be unleashed! So keep your heads up.

THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are you talking about, and HOW do you know this?? Is there some official statement from campaign HQ stating what you just said, or are you making things up?

If what you're saying is true, then post the memo/statement that came from the campaign that states what YOU claim, because I SURE AS HELL DID NOT get THAT
memo! :mad:

[A rope leash]

What this country needs is a strong, independent president that can bitch-slap these two corrupt parties back into line with the Constitution. If Ron wants to stick with the back-stabbing Republicans and get his ass handed to him at the convention, that's his business. If he is not nominated, my vote is gong to the Liberatarian or the Green. I will not participate in this "two-party" sham!

[zahirakids]

No, I'd vote Obama before McCain, and not because I like Obama, but because I wish to see the republican party self-destruct and hope that Ron Paul republicans are there to pick up the peices with the man Ron Paul himself leading those in congress.

Absolutely right on everything. There will be no 3rd party run. I believe Paul's plan all along was to rebuild a Goldwater/Taft wing of the Gop. He has done that.

Now I suggest everyone go join thr RLC (Republican Liberty Caucus) they are the Libertarian wing of the GOP.

www.rlc.org

[colecrowe]

we've got 8 months! get excited! read my sig!

People would step up if he went iNDY! Just ask around--especially people you know who already donated--ask them, "would you donate again if he continued to seek the Republican Nomination?"

Then ask them "would you donate if he announced that he was going to run as an iNDEPENDENT?"

200,000 precinct captains, infomercials, and a 25 million dollar Independence Day money bomb!

IF he doesn't do well enough in the next month or two, and then makes the calculated decision to run iNDY, and then declares say in March, and starts campaigning and runs a couple infomercials to pique some interest (emphasised because it's the most essential part), we could pick one perfect day, and make sure to have two months to plan it--and do everything in our power to make it better and bigger than the Tea Party. Independence Day would make so much sense--the country could declare it's independence from the parties, the special interests and lobbyists, the IRS, the Bankers, the Bush war and the Bush and McCain shamnesty, and the tax and spend Democrats--and we'd have 3 or however many months to prepare for it and drum up support. We could set a goal of 25 million in one day, and hope to shatter it. And then Ron Paul would have July, August, September, and October to spend it and raise more all along--while all along, for those 4 plus months, we could fill every precinct captain position and canvass and call every house--while Iraq continues exploding and the economy collapses.

[colecrowe]

It's going to be very sad seeing you cry when you find out that Ron doesn't lie and as he has stated many times, is NOT going to run 3rd party. It would have been nice for the 3rd party advocates to have helped get him nominated, but ah well.

oh, and I'm not being sarcastic, it really will be sad. As futile as it would be I would rather he ran independent or 3rd party just so I could vote for him again, but he won't as he has repeatedly stated.

What a bunch of crap--to say people that want him to be president, not just want to "change the GOP" haven't helped get him nominated. I guess I have one thing to say to that: FU. I gave up, in money and time, what could have been an incredible 2 week dream skiing trip. It was totally worth it though.

Nobody is going to stop canvassing--no matter what. But almost everyone is hoping that if it becomes clear that he obviously can't get the Nom., he will go iNDY.

All I hear is yelling, and all I see is willful blindness, from the anti-iNDY folks.

Keep yelling. We however are hopeful for a Ron Paul whitehouse. We don't care if it is w/ out the GOP.


Paul has said repeatedly that he will not run 3rd party. Why would he lie to us like that?

No he hasn't!

He is absolutely right--and honest--to say that he "has no intention of going iNDEPENDENT or Third Party" because, right now (at least before today's results), his only intention is to win the Republican nomination. He 100% fully intends (or intended) to wholeheartedly run and try his best to win as a Republican while he is running as such, and he says so. He has NEVER, EVER said "I will not run iNDY". He has never, ever said "I will never run iNDY". But IF it becomes clear he cannot win the nomination, then he can go independent.

I would be very, very, very sad if he didn't go iNDY. He could win it, especially against Hillary (and she seems like the chosen one (it's all about the superdelegates).

Actually, I will say this... If it appears that the GOP will be utterly, hopelessly lost, as in completely abandoning constitutional and conservative ideals like protection of civil liberties, small, limited government, national sovereignty, and a non-interventionist foreign policy, then maybe Ron Paul and his 10% base that exists now should all sign up under the banner of a new coalition, maybe it could be a party, maybe call it the Conservative Party. That way we go into the contest for the General election with some orginization--and if it catches on maybe it could beat down the Republican Party that so many conservatives are fed up with. Also, any Ron Paul Republicans could join the Conservative Party (or whatever it is) and could run for Congress and state seats under its banner in the upcoming election, especially if they don't make it in their primaries.

We could create "the Conservative party" with our email, fundraising, and canvassing lists--and, of course, with our delegate lists. Although I still don't know if that would be better than iNDY. The reason I say that is because we might alienate the Libertarians and Constitution party folks, whereas we wouldn't if we went iNDY--but they are only like 4% of the voting public if that. "Conservative Party" (or another name possibly) would get us the Buchananites and many others I'm sure.

We WILL win iNDY.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

What a bunch of crap--to say people that want him to be president, not just want to "change the GOP" haven't helped get him nominated. I guess I have one thing to say to that: FU. I gave up, in money and time, what could have been an incredible 2 week dream skiing trip. It was totally worth it though.

Nobody is going to stop canvassing--no matter what. But almost everyone is hoping that if it becomes clear that he obviously can't get the Nom., he will go iNDY.

All I hear is yelling, and all I see is willful blindness, from the anti-iNDY folks.

Keep yelling. We however are hopeful for a Ron Paul whitehouse. We don't care if it is w/ out the GOP.



No he hasn't!

He is absolutely right--and honest--to say that he "has no intention of going iNDEPENDENT or Third Party" because, right now (at least before today's results), his only intention is to win the Republican nomination. He 100% fully intends (or intended) to wholeheartedly run and try his best to win as a Republican while he is running as such, and he says so. He has NEVER, EVER said "I will not run iNDY". He has never, ever said "I will never run iNDY". But IF it becomes clear he cannot win the nomination, then he can go independent.

I would be very, very, very sad if he didn't go iNDY. He could win it, especially against Hillary (and she seems like the chosen one (it's all about the superdelegates).

Actually, I will say this... If it appears that the GOP will be utterly, hopelessly lost, as in completely abandoning constitutional and conservative ideals like protection of civil liberties, small, limited government, national sovereignty, and a non-interventionist foreign policy, then maybe Ron Paul and his 10% base that exists now should all sign up under the banner of a new coalition, maybe it could be a party, maybe call it the Conservative Party. That way we go into the contest for the General election with some orginization--and if it catches on maybe it could beat down the Republican Party that so many conservatives are fed up with. Also, any Ron Paul Republicans could join the Conservative Party (or whatever it is) and could run for Congress and state seats under its banner in the upcoming election, especially if they don't make it in their primaries.

We could create "the Conservative party" with our email, fundraising, and canvassing lists--and, of course, with our delegate lists. Although I still don't know if that would be better than iNDY. The reason I say that is because we might alienate the Libertarians and Constitution party folks, whereas we wouldn't if we went iNDY--but they are only like 4% of the voting public if that. "Conservative Party" (or another name possibly) would get us the Buchananites and many others I'm sure.

We WILL win iNDY.

Right on!

[LibertyRevolution]

The word "Republican" next to Ron Pauls name only HURTS him. NO ONE IS VOTING FOR A REPUBLICAN AFTER WHAT BUSH DID. Why do you think they keep asking him in the debates if he is running for the wrong party? Do you think its to convince people that he is a Libertarian? WRONG its to convince the majority of the population that RON PAUL is a REPUBLICAN, to hurt him in a 3rd party run...

[colecrowe]

Ron Paul said that he will continue to run as long as he continues to get support: canvassing and financing. He's not stupid. He will be able to see when continuing to run Republican will be a futile waste. Then if he has the support he mentioned, he will have to keep going. Key points:

1. A brokered convention is not going to happen.

2. Canvassing is done for in half the states as of now, unless he goes iNDY. If he goes iNDY, on the other hand, we would have 8 months to canvass and get 200,000 plus precinct captains.

3. ...:

my dad said he'd donate another 500 to Paul (IF he announces 3rd party) (he donated 200 on Dec. 16th--but that was when it seemed like he REALLY could maybe, possibly win the Nom. I would donate 500 the day he declares (even though it will hurt financially), whereas I can't afford to give anymore (I gave just over a 1,100 in Q4 to the cause--so shut up) for his Republican run; and gramps would probably wager another 1776.00

The 2nd and 3rd tier, broader-base of supporters aren't (many or most of them) going to donate MORE--if they already have once--because TO THEM it is obvious or at least nearly certain that he's not going to get the Nom from the Republican party (I'm not saying I believe that--but they DO). However, they would be very willing and enthusiastic about supporting him in an iNDEPENDENT run.

[affa]

The way I look at it if I vote indy/libertarian/3p it's -1 vote against republicans.... if I vote dem it's -2 votes for republicans. I'd rather punish the repubs double. The dems will win in a landslide, this is unstoppable.

And when Obama/Clinton take away all our guns, increase taxes, force mediocre health care on us and force us more to the center in socialist programs and tax us to death.... and when they stop the war in Iraq and it becomes a non-issue for republicans, they will all cry for a conservative and a ron paul republican will emerge as our next president in 2012.

I just want to make one small observation. Back in 2004, I almost wanted Bush to win because he would make the farce so obvious and open up the opportunity for someone like Ron Paul. And this is exactly what happened, except we're still fighting tooth and nail for it.

Please don't fall victim to the 'well, in 4 years we can fix it' mentality. It never works out the way we want. Treat it as a now or never situation - because seriously, we should not count on having the kind of momentum Bush created for us again.

[colecrowe]

Thank you for the good, reasoned post. Great info. But I disagree with you saying that we will lose "substantial support". We don't have substantial support. We have like 8% support--at the VERY most (average it out--and be realistic--you will agree it's 8% at the very most--and it's way too late for a brokered convention).

I disagree and don't think we get support mainly from christian/republican types--I think that is unique to your experience--and besides, that ground obviously isn't that fertile compared to other, broader ground--just look at our results, even in Michigan, your example. But, also, I absolutely have never thought we would get our support from pot smokers, truthers, etc.

Our support comes, and will come in a HUGE way if we go iNDY, from people who are anti-war, pro-constitution, and most importantly TIRED OF BEING LIED TO, TIRED OF LOBBYISTS, AND HUNGRY FOR THE TYPE OF STATESMAN ONLY RON PAUL IS.

People will vote for Ron Paul for his record that is so amazing, and so different, even if they disagree with some of his stances. Proof: The same exact thing made me, my wife, my father-in-law, father, grandpa-in-law, and on and on (including many family members I never proselytized to!) choose Paul: HIS HONESTY--the fact that he's not a "politician" like ALL the others. Once they hear that he has never gotten lobbyist money, never changed his stances, AND ONCE THEY HEAR HIM SPEAK, they are hooked.

But not the GOP sheep--the pro Iraq war types. That is why we have to get out of the GOP.

If we go iNDY, we will also get all the anti-war GOPers. Plus, we might get more GOPers than that if McCain is the nominee--because of immigration and character (he cheated on his wife and is married to his mistress now).

Plus, we haven't got to capitalize on running anti-war ads, especially with veterans in them supporting him. We need to make a much bigger deal about the amazing amount of money he raised from military members (more than all the Republicans put together) in ads, etc.

We also haven't capitalized on his being an Obstetrician for 30 years, and so much more. His name recognition is extremely dismal--we need a fresh start with exposure in every state--not just those left in the GOP race.


A note of caution about this thread.


I've done A LOT of work for the campaign in Michigan and have met many different supporters. I can say with certainty that in Michigan, the majority of Ron Paul supporters are Republicans or disaffected Republicans. The majority are also Christians.

These boards are NOT representative of who is voting for us.

I'd estimate (from Michigan) we have about 65% of some type of Republicans making up our voters and about 75% Christians. The number of truthers that support Ron Paul is also very low I'd estimate about 10 to 15 percent. Again this is from my experience in Michigan.

If you looked at these forums, you'd think the majority were liberal atheists, and that may well be true about these forums, but now out in the real world.

I'd also like to add there are major discrepancies between the average Ron Paul voter and the "hardcore supporters"

Atheists, marijuana activists, peace activists, and truthers make up a disproportionate part of our "hardcore" supporters.

This is all very important and you need to think about the big picture. If we run independent, you can expect everyone on the forums and all the hardcore supporters to still supporter Ron Paul, but we're going to lose a substantial chunk of our base. If you think that people who already vote for Ron Paul won't vote for the Republican nominee, you haven't been talking enough to our casual voters, and believe me we have MANY of them.

[familydog]

Thank you for the good, reasoned post. Great info. But I disagree with you saying that we will lose "substantial support". We don't have substantial support. We have like 8% support--at the VERY most (average it out--and be realistic--you will agree it's 8% at the very most--and it's way too late for a brokered convention).

I disagree and don't think we get support mainly from christian/republican types--I think that is unique to your experience--and besides, that ground obviously isn't that fertile compared to other, broader ground--just look at our results, even in Michigan, your example. But, also, I absolutely have never thought we would get our support from pot smokers, truthers, etc.

Our support comes, and will come in a HUGE way if we go iNDY, from people who are anti-war, pro-constitution, and most importantly TIRED OF BEING LIED TO, TIRED OF LOBBYISTS, AND HUNGRY FOR THE TYPE OF STATESMAN ONLY RON PAUL IS.

People will vote for Ron Paul for his record that is so amazing, and so different, even if they disagree with some of his stances. Proof: The same exact thing made me, my wife, my father-in-law, father, grandpa-in-law, and on and on (including many family members I never proselytized to!) choose Paul: HIS HONESTY--the fact that he's not a "politician" like ALL the others. Once they hear that he has never gotten lobbyist money, never changed his stances, AND ONCE THEY HEAR HIM SPEAK, they are hooked.

But not the GOP sheep--the pro Iraq war types. That is why we have to get out of the GOP.

If we go iNDY, we will also get all the anti-war GOPers. Plus, we might get more than that if McCain is the nominee--because of immigration and character (he cheated on his wife and is married to his mistress now).



Can't these rabid pro-indy people privide some sort of evidence to back up these claims? Because your family have seen the light, means it will be the same all across the America?

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Can't these rabid pro-indy people privide some sort of evidence to back up these claims? Because your family have seen the light, means it will be the same all across the America?

Stop trolling against Ron, familydog. If you don't want to support Ron's independent run, then don't bother us.

[DeafEric]

There are a lot of people trying to kill the conservative movement. Look I'm not being down on Ron Paul, on the contrary I support him 100% after today. But not as a presidential candidate. I think we've run as far as we can, we don't have the media on our side, the people have been far too brainwashed and are just uneducated sheep unfortunately, and the establishment forces against us are just too great.

But that doesn't mean Ron Paul can't achieve many more victories, and those that follow in his footsteps can't achieve greatness and retake this party. And he doesn't even need to just focus on reforming the republican party, he can help/advise/endorse many other candidates of all party affiliations.

The point is, I support liberty 100% in any form it comes in, but I just hope Paul gracefully bows out and vows to keep this base together and continue this fight for when conservatives are ready for a change.

Blah Blah Blah all you can say but the main and most critical point is that you voted Obama. What that means? You just committed suicide and encourages the politics to kill and or oppress us. It is not hard to stand up for what you believe therefore you need to vote for Ron Paul. We don't need to hear your explanations or bullshit excuses for not voting Ron Paul. If you believe in Ron Paul and yet you don't vote for him. That is called double standard and you are a pure certificated bullshit traitor.

[WATYF]

I will not support an independent run. I hope Ron Paul launches a new organization and spearheads the revitalization of the conservative movement.

Agreed.


WATYF

[colecrowe]

The people who never provide evidence are the "go down with the GOP ship" folks. Unless your evidence is the horrible returns in half the states, the lack of growth of Paul's numbers, results, and fundraising over the last month within the GOP (just about everybody that votes for him has to register Republican). and some faith in a now-impossible dream of a brokered convention.

Check out this poll: Already Republican or only did so for Ron Paul? : http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1197657


Can't these rabid pro-indy people privide some sort of evidence to back up these claims? Because your family have seen the light, means it will be the same all across the America?

[familydog]

Stop trolling against Ron, familydog. If you don't want to support Ron's independent run, then don't bother us.

Thanks for proving my point, friend.

[frasu]

Ron has not been able to reveal his true plan, because he was running in the GOP primary, in order to give the party one last chance, and in order to build up a movement like this one!

C'mon now... true plan? billionaire? media blitz? secret plan?

As I am part of this movement and I fought hard to get his name out, all I want is to continue. All I'm asking, revise the official strategy... As the campaign is frugal with the money. the grassroots is being generous and maybe spending more than it should... We are running all over the place and NOT being efficient. I hate this parallel campaign. You can't run a campaign with secret goals if you start killing your grassroots...



Please don't fall victim to the 'well, in 4 years we can fix it' mentality. It never works out the way we want. Treat it as a now or never situation - because seriously, we should not count on having the kind of momentum Bush created for us again.

+1

[Laja]

bump

[born2drv]

Blah Blah Blah all you can say but the main and most critical point is that you voted Obama. What that means? You just committed suicide and encourages the politics to kill and or oppress us. It is not hard to stand up for what you believe therefore you need to vote for Ron Paul. We don't need to hear your explanations or bullshit excuses for not voting Ron Paul. If you believe in Ron Paul and yet you don't vote for him. That is called double standard and you are a pure certificated bullshit traitor.

Listen here you peon troll. I'm not some noob like you. I've donated a lot of money, effort and time into this campaign. I support the ron paul revolution movement, not this or that presidential campaign. I could really care less who is elected President at this point in time. What we need now is organization not division. If the movement is strongest with a presidential campaign so be it, I will support it. However if it's better served by Ron Paul or whomever trying to bring about reform in the republican party by other means or 3p or whatever then I will support that too.

Bottom line is we're not going to get the republican nomination, it's just not going to happen due to all the sheep and MSM. Ron Paul is the wisest of the bunch but he's not the most charismatic person either and that's what MSM and sheep look for unfortunately. But he's opened a lot of eyes, made a lot of progress, and made the GOP take notice, and it's my hope he and the rest of us stick around to battle it out for the long haul.

The real crybaby's and wannabe's such as yourself will leave and pout why Ron Paul didn't win and the media was never fair to him. Meanwhile people like myself will continue to carry on this message, fund/support those running for congress as ron paul republicans, and will fight on.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Listen here you peon troll. I'm not some noob like you. I've donated a lot of money, effort and time into this campaign. I support the ron paul revolution movement, not this or that presidential campaign. I could really care less who is elected President at this point in time. What we need now is organization not division. If the movement is strongest with a presidential campaign so be it, I will support it. However if it's better served by Ron Paul or whomever trying to bring about reform in the republican party by other means or 3p or whatever then I will support that too.

Bottom line is we're not going to get the republican nomination, it's just not going to happen due to all the sheep and MSM. Ron Paul is the wisest of the bunch but he's not the most charismatic person either and that's what MSM and sheep look for unfortunately. But he's opened a lot of eyes, made a lot of progress, and made the GOP take notice, and it's my hope he and the rest of us stick around to battle it out for the long haul.

The real crybaby's and wannabe's such as yourself will leave and pout why Ron Paul didn't win and the media was never fair to him. Meanwhile people like myself will continue to carry on this message, fund/support those running for congress as ron paul republicans, and will fight on.

I agree with you that it's lame to blame the media. The blame goes to the sheep and the party bosses in the GOP.

But what you are arguing for is nothing different than the Libertarian and Constitution Parties have been doing for decades. It doesn't work.

We need a central figure and an election to rally around. Ron is that man.

[born2drv]

I just want to make one small observation. Back in 2004, I almost wanted Bush to win because he would make the farce so obvious and open up the opportunity for someone like Ron Paul. And this is exactly what happened, except we're still fighting tooth and nail for it.

Please don't fall victim to the 'well, in 4 years we can fix it' mentality. It never works out the way we want. Treat it as a now or never situation - because seriously, we should not count on having the kind of momentum Bush created for us again.

Hi Affa,

I understand what you're saying but I respectfully disagree. We will have the opportunity again. Bush has pushed the republicans more to socialism. The already socialist dems are moving towards communism. Eventually people will have enough of these 2 and want a more limited government again. I think republicans will have to feel some socialized pain before they're ready for a Goldwater/Paul type leader.

[born2drv]

I agree with you that it's lame to blame the media. The blame goes to the sheep and the party bosses in the GOP.

But what you are arguing for is nothing different than the Libertarian and Constitution Parties have been doing for decades. It doesn't work.

We need a central figure and an election to rally around. Ron is that man.

Ron is the man. To be honest I don't know what the solution is. Do we support the libertarian party? Do we wait for the republicans to self-destruct? I'm hoping Paul makes the path a little more clear in the coming weeks before his base erodes. I hope he has a plan to bring about change in this country with or without the presidency.

Look at Howard Dean. OK he's no ron paul by any means. But he's now the chairman of the DNC and has some significance in the democratic party. Paul is much bigger then Dean ever was. He can lead this GOP if we help him.

[New Governor Of Alaska]

THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MayTheRonBeWithYou, check this thread out - Ron Paul Can Win!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=113752



Just a thought.

Hillary gets Democratic nod.

"Change" folks backing Obama come to our camp.

McCain gets the republican nod.

Conservative Repulblicans come to our camp.

Any thoughts?

[WATYF]

Ron is the man. To be honest I don't know what the solution is. Do we support the libertarian party? Do we wait for the republicans to self-destruct? I'm hoping Paul makes the path a little more clear in the coming weeks before his base erodes. I hope he has a plan to bring about change in this country with or without the presidency.

Look at Howard Dean. OK he's no ron paul by any means. But he's now the chairman of the DNC and has some significance in the democratic party. Paul is much bigger then Dean ever was. He can lead this GOP if we help him.

I think we wait for the Republican party to self-destruct.

People are hard-headed. Once they take a position (no matter how unfounded) it usually takes a very strong blow to the head for them to change their position (and sometimes even that doesn't work).

They need to see their bad decisions produce drastically bad results in order for them to finally accept that this big-government, preemptive-war, entitlement-happy version of the Republican party is a horrible mistake.


WATYF

[Mark]

I'm not going anywhere ;) I still support this movement, I just don't think Paul will be anywhere near effective as a 3rd party, independent or libertarian candidate. The people are not ready for him, and he's not some multi-billionaire. I think he needs to concentrate on reforming the republican party. This is what he has said all along and I support him in this endeavor 100% and all those that are sure to follow in his footsteps... but in the REPUBLICAN party. Unfortunately this is the system we have and it's not going to change anytime soon.

We had Wake county precinct delegate meetings last night. (The capital of North Carolina, Raleigh, is in Wake County)

I became a precinct delegate with no need for a vote.

There was only 1 other person in my precinct and he wasn't really interested in being a delegate.

There were about 18-19 people there, Ron Paul won the straw poll by 2 votes.


It's CRITICAL for everyone to go to these delegate meetings! Delegate positions went UNFILLED in my precinct and others.

There appears to be little interest in details such as being active at the organizing level in the Republican party.


EVERYONE needs to get involved locally and we can TAKE OVER the Republican Party!


The District Chairman mentioned to me that he has been trying TO NO AVAIL to get people involved.


He said that he became involved last year and noticed an opportunity to make an influence
because VERY FEW people are interested in being involved,

he then mentioned that no one has listened to him,

and that HIS EFFORTS TO FILL INFLUENCE POSITIONS HAVE NOW BEEN NEGATED BECAUSE RON PAUL PEOPLE HAVE SHOWN UP

AND TAKEN THE OPEN POSITIONS NOW!

And this is in the center of GOP power in North Carolina!
My precinct meeting was at the STATE GOP HEADQUARTERS. The HQ of the WHOLE GOP in NC. And almost NO ONE WAS THERE.


ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IN MOST INSTANCES IS **** SHOW UP **** AND YOU ARE IN!!!


IT'S NOT WHO VOTES - IT'S WHO IS THE DELEGATE!!


GET INVOLVED AT THE LOCAL PARTY LEVEL!!! INFLUENCE BEGINS THERE!! THE REVOLUTION BEGINS THERE!!!

[DeafEric]

Listen here you peon troll. I'm not some noob like you. I've donated a lot of money, effort and time into this campaign. I support the ron paul revolution movement, not this or that presidential campaign. I could really care less who is elected President at this point in time. What we need now is organization not division. If the movement is strongest with a presidential campaign so be it, I will support it. However if it's better served by Ron Paul or whomever trying to bring about reform in the republican party by other means or 3p or whatever then I will support that too.

Bottom line is we're not going to get the republican nomination, it's just not going to happen due to all the sheep and MSM. Ron Paul is the wisest of the bunch but he's not the most charismatic person either and that's what MSM and sheep look for unfortunately. But he's opened a lot of eyes, made a lot of progress, and made the GOP take notice, and it's my hope he and the rest of us stick around to battle it out for the long haul.

The real crybaby's and wannabe's such as yourself will leave and pout why Ron Paul didn't win and the media was never fair to him. Meanwhile people like myself will continue to carry on this message, fund/support those running for congress as ron paul republicans, and will fight on.

Excuse me, I casted my ballot vote for Ron Paul. While what did you casted your ballot for? I am continuing my faith in Ron Paul to win Republican Party. I am not a troll as you think but I strongly believe that you are a true COWARD for Ron Paul supporter. IF you want Ron Paul to run 3rd party then MSM will hand-puppets you to push Ron Paul out of election just because you are carrying without any of FAITH in Ron Paul’s nomination for Republican Party. Many people who are like you that collapses any of movements, ideas, races in general just simple that none of you had faith into it. No one can take out your faith upon anything expect yourself. That is why I said you just committed a suicide.

MSM is nothing compared with our faith in election race. We can sacrifice our body for truth if necessary and I 100% guarantee that you will not participate in that sacrifices. “Give me death or give me liberty” and that’s how we won over world most mighty government, England. Imagine, we were farmer and we didn’t have nice weapon technology. Not only that we weren’t well trained. We were absolutely short on supplies. We were facing strong odd against us because we were ratio about 1 to 5 Red soldiers. It is like you are striking in 5 bullets and praying that you will end up living. Those farmers will say to you are you true COWARD compared to their experience.

It is so easy just like 1-2-3 Give me DEATH or Give me LIBERTY!!! Even that Caveman would do it.

Let me give you a better picture for what you did to us for Ron Paul nominating for Republican Party.

Suppose you had a child and you were once a strong believer in your child for future successful life. One day you realized that you child couldn’t successes in some ways. You suggested your child to choose an alternative way to obtain a successful life. When you child persist with his plan and refuses to obey your recommend. You begun to lose faith in your child and child kept rolling with his plan. But you choose to be part of outsiders beside your own child to let them be involved with your plan. How would you think your child felt about you? Answer traitor, betrayer, unfaithful and a coward!

[Revolution9]

See you later. Good luck. You've been a good poster here.

Yer a divisive drooldonkey and need to STFU with this at this tme. You do NOTHING but divide the board daily several times with your spew. Thank the Lord you are not in charge of anything except pounding your finger stumps into the keyboard.

Yer Pal
Randy

[DeafEric]

Hi Affa,

I understand what you're saying but I respectfully disagree. We will have the opportunity again. Bush has pushed the republicans more to socialism. The already socialist dems are moving towards communism. Eventually people will have enough of these 2 and want a more limited government again. I think republicans will have to feel some socialized pain before they're ready for a Goldwater/Paul type leader.


It takes a courage and faith to overcome the odd. Don't lose your faith in Ron Paul for your stake!

[rockandrollsouls]

If you say you won't support an independent run, you're not a true supporter. I personally still think it's very premature to consider it ( especially considering the massive upset yesterday with the huckabee resurrection ) but if you won't follow any of the doctor's routes, why are you here? After seeing Mccain get thwarted and seeing them all struggling financially, Paul potentially has them on the ropes. So, yay to continuing the struggle for the GOP nomination, and nay to the people who won't support the doctor no matter the situation.

McCain thought he was going to seal the deal yesterday, guys. It didn't happen. We have staying power!

[Madison]

I'm beginning to think an independent run was the plan along and he knew the GOP would never nominate him.

[Reponere]

Fellow Paul supporters. I'm feeling a little cynical and suspicious about Tuesday as many other probably are. I plan to support Paul's ideals and message beyond this race, but I just have to know, is there still a chance at all Paul can get enough delegates to take office?

I'm asking this honestly. Add the states up, and do we have enough to get past the other candidates. What are the ratios? Was this posted elsewhere?

EDIT: I got my answer by diggin in the forums. So we're going to keep ourselves involved long enough for someone else to drop out and have their delegates hopefully swap to us. And while we dothat, we'll do what we can to acquire new delegates in other states. If that's the case, we're in for a harder fight, and the chances are perhaps even slimmer, but, success is still very possible.

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

Whatever it takes, I'm here as long as Ron Paul is.

I'll be here the rest of my life. Not the rest of Ron's. (presuming that he is like the rest of us humans and loses his life force between 80-100 years old)

[parocks]

No, I'd vote Obama before McCain, and not because I like Obama, but because I wish to see the republican party self-destruct and hope that Ron Paul republicans are there to pick up the peices with the man Ron Paul himself leading those in congress.

Obama vs McCain - if Ron Paul is 3rd party, Ron Paul. Maybe 3rd party otherwise.
Maybe sit home.

Hillary vs McCain - McCain

[parocks]

Fellow Paul supporters. I'm feeling a little cynical and suspicious about Tuesday as many other probably are. I plan to support Paul's ideals and message beyond this race, but I just have to know, is there still a chance at all Paul can get enough delegates to take office?

I'm asking this honestly. Add the states up, and do we have enough to get past the other candidates. What are the ratios? Was this posted elsewhere?

We have to make sure that no candidate clinches the nomination before the convention.

We want a brokered convention, where there are delegate votes to determine the winner.

We think we have secret, or stealth delegates. People who support Ron Paul are delegates. They will be forced to vote for the winner of the state on the first ballot. On the second ballot they can vote for Ron Paul.

If we have a chance, it will be at the convention. We will have to work at state conventions and follow confusing procedures which vary from state to state to get our people in place at the convention.

If McCain gets the delegates he needs, it's over. We need to prevent McCain from getting the votes.

[damon04]

These are the closing pages of the opening chapter of a really great story.

[luvthedoc08]

stop looking at this thread and look at THIS THREAD NOW AND PUT THE MESSAGE OUT TO ALL MEETUPS http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=114622

[DeafEric]

born2drv, no comments?

[Madison]

Bump.