The End of America.

[Patriot123]

Well, I for one would say this is our last hour, and the end to America as we know it. We did the best we could, but I am afraid that this is just, well... The end to America. Three hundred years of history. Three hundred years of blood spilled in the name of this concept of, "freedom." All to go to waste, and the equivalent to stepping all over our founders and their ideology. I assume Americans simply do not care for freedom any longer. Or at least until they lose it completely.

Three hundred years of history... And it all amounts to this. Millions of American lives killed in the name of this, "freedom." For what? Corporatism and corruption beyond our founders wildest dreams?

You know, I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who once said, "America will not be destroyed by foreign enemies. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." This couldn't be more dead on.

Freedom never lasts.

[Christopher David]

Giving up?

[Ginobili]

Well, I for one would say this is our last hour, and the end to America as we know it. We did the best we could, but I am afraid that this is just, well... The end to America. Three hundred years of history. Three hundred years of blood spilled in the name of this concept of, "freedom." All to go to waste, and the equivalent to stepping all over our founders and their ideology. I assume Americans simply do not care for freedom any longer. Or at least until they lose it completely.

Three hundred years of history... And it all amounts to this. Millions of American lives killed in the name of this, "freedom." For what? Corporatism and corruption beyond our founders wildest dreams?

You know, I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who once said, "America will not be destroyed by foreign enemies. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." This couldn't be more dead on.

Freedom never lasts.

Sadly enough, I have to agree with all of this... but do not worry, some day we will be restored to glory, unless we end up killing the world along with ourselves. As long as one RP supporter survives, the message of freedom is still out there, and it may take another 50-100 years before Neo-America will return to true america, but it will happen, some day.

[Patriot123]

Giving up? Hell no. I'll support Ron Paul for life. I'll never give up, and I hope to hell that others won't give up. But let's face the facts. We've lost our country, and it's likely forever, sadly.

[thuja]

get some rest and start over again in a few days. i do not think it's over. i don't know why, exactly, but i don't think so.

[WilliamC]

America as it existed under the Constitution ended in 1861.

In a free society States could voluntarily leave the Union if a majority of the residents wished to do so.

[Patriot123]

get some rest and start over again in a few days. i do not think it's over. i don't know why, exactly, but i don't think so.

The only real last standing chance we have for taking back our country; the one our founders promised us, is the DC March in 09'. Supposedly, it's going to contain over a million American men and women, and in January of 09', they'll march into DC and demand that Ron Paul be instated as the new president, and they won't leave until he's instated.
Sadly, such a movement will either be disbanded before it gets going, or will be shot upon entering DC.

[louisiana4liberty]

America is dead....we're in the midst of big government hybrid socialism/corporatism.

[wirenut]

I hate to say it but I agree completely. This was Americas chance to get things right for a change.

[Patriot123]

America is dead....we're in the midst of big government hybrid socialism/corporatism.

I couldn't agree more. It's sad how the media jumps and calls this, "a conspiracy." Really. Obvious conspiracies are out there. But this is no conspiracy, because corruption exists, and the masses must realize this. Corruption is America. And despite the conspiratorial tone of RFID, it's something that's out there, and being used, and this is what we're going to be up against, as well as many other things.

Tell me. Do you even think that the collapse of America is survivable? Really. Honestly. I'm just curious.

[Brian4Liberty]

Well, I for one would say this is our last hour, and the end to America as we know it. We did the best we could, but I am afraid that this is just, well... The end to America. Three hundred years of history. Three hundred years of blood spilled in the name of this concept of, "freedom." All to go to waste, and the equivalent to stepping all over our founders and their ideology. I assume Americans simply do not care for freedom any longer. Or at least until they lose it completely.

Three hundred years of history... And it all amounts to this. Millions of American lives killed in the name of this, "freedom." For what? Corporatism and corruption beyond our founders wildest dreams?

You know, I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who once said, "America will not be destroyed by foreign enemies. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." This couldn't be more dead on.

Freedom never lasts.

Not the end of America. Did Rome end with the first Caesar? We aren't even there yet. But that is our current course.

The real question is will we have a long empire like Rome, or a short one like Hitler and Stalin?

One could infer that all of the "major" candidates already accept this as fact, and are simply vying to be that first Emperor, but it will still be a long time before that stage.

[Patriot123]

It's the end of the real America. The one our ancestors promised us. This is not my America anymore, if you understand the meaning in that.

[driller80545]

The voters will get what they have asked for. Do I think it is survivable, No!

[Patriot123]

The voters will get what they have asked for. Do I think it is survivable, No!

So then we're all dead. Well I'll be damned... Literally. Do you think some sort of, per say... Another revolt would stand a chance? Just curious of others opinions on that.

[driller80545]

I think soon America will be a ravaged third world country, destroyed by greed and power.

[Fox McCloud]

I agree, wholeheartedly Patriot...and it gives me even more resolve to support and promote Ron Paul...no, I won't ever give up...as I told someone "I'd be supporting Ron Paul, even if he only had as many supporters as Tom Tancredo, or I was his only supporter"---I stand for and support what is right, just, and proper...not what is popular.

But yeah, I think our end is very near....heck, I think the "America as we once knew it" ended in the early 20th century...now, I believe we're facing "the end of America physically"....I'm not sure how it will happen, and I won't even begin to speculate, but I honestly believe this is it.

I also believe Ron Paul was a sort of prophet...you know? Like Steven in the Bible...he came before the Sanhedrin and condemned the rulers for what they were during and for their evil acts (and so on and so forth)...they didn't listen to him, and drove him out into the city where they stoned him....not many years later Jerusalem was destroyed. I think America has "stoned" it's prophet....I'm just so overjoyed that the Lord brought along a man like Ron Paul TO give America her last chance...and I feel blessed that he let Ron grace us with his presence and wisdom of what our country has come to.

[Brian4Liberty]

So then we're all dead. Well I'll be damned... Literally. Do you think some sort of, per say... Another revolt would stand a chance? Just curious of others opinions on that.

Definitely time to go to bed. Things will be better in the morning...

Ron Paul has re-sowed the ideas, it may take a generation for it to take hold...

[A. Havnes]

The only real last standing chance we have for taking back our country; the one our founders promised us, is the DC March in 09'. Supposedly, it's going to contain over a million American men and women, and in January of 09', they'll march into DC and demand that Ron Paul be instated as the new president, and they won't leave until he's instated.
Sadly, such a movement will either be disbanded before it gets going, or will be shot upon entering DC.

That's not the last chance. We have many, many opportunities to stage acts of civil disobedience. We can still be the Martin Luther Kind Juniors and the Rosa Parks of our generation. I hope that the march happens, whether Ron Paul is elected or not. We need the courage of the founders. I mean, think about it: would any of the current candidates put their signature on the Declaration of Independence, knowing full well the consequences if the British trampled the revolution? Ron Paul would. We have to do whatever it takes to keep the revolution alive and not let our own government stomp it out.

I'm for writing our own declaration and signing it on the fourth. We will march to DC and deliver it.

[Patriot123]

You know, I don't mean to promote or break any forum rules here, or be arrested by the NSA for being a terrorist (that was a joke) but I think we still have one last card to play. And that's a violent revolution. (Just for the moderators, I'm not promoting this, condoning it, etcetera) Sad thing is that in order for change to happen, it always seems as if people have to die. And if that's what our cause has come to; life or death, then what are we fighting for? It's so upsetting. Three hundred years of history and bloodshed, and it's all come down to this. All of the American lives lost. Hell, if only they knew what America would come to, maybe those who fought for this, "freedom" wouldn't have had to suffer so much as they did, fighting for this concept that's only possible in dreams.

I will support and be a loyal follower of Ron and his entire family for the rest of my life. Same goes for Mike Gravel. I will never stop following, believing, and practicing every aspect there is of the American constitution, as long as I'm in America. No matter what laws or mass corruption comes about. Whether I get arrested for doing so, or shot because I proclaimed my G-d given rights. I'll die while reading my rights, if that's what it comes down to.

[Patriot123]

I'm for writing our own declaration and signing it on the fourth. We will march to DC and deliver it.

I second that.

[pcosmar]

Giving up?

Hell no.
But the next steps and options can not be posted here or anywhere.

[Patriot123]

But the next steps and options can not be posted here or anywhere.

Ah, I know where your going with that :p Amen to that.

[louisiana4liberty]

I think it is survivable, but we will see financial ruin for citizens invested in US equities. The inflation will make the cost of living even more difficult for the fixed income retirees. We are going to see huge amounts of selling in the coming years from baby boomers.

The foreign purchases of US assets will be massive due to the devaluation of our dollar. Our assets are already selling at fire sale prices. The foreign corporations will be lobbying US lawmakers and their profits will be sent back overseas. America will get gang banged. Congressional politicians and their business interests will be in front and foreign corporations from the back.

[Patriot123]

I think it is survivable, but we will see financial ruin for citizens invested in US equities. The inflation will make the cost of living even more difficult for the fixed income retirees. We are going to see huge amounts of selling in the coming years from baby boomers.

The foreign purchases of US assets will be massive due to the devaluation of our dollar. Our assets are already selling at fire sale prices. The foreign corporations will be lobbying US lawmakers and their profits will be sent back overseas. America will get gang banged. Congressional politicians and their business interests will be in front and foreign corporations from the back.

Yeah. And in the process of doing so, their excuse will be something along the lines of, "making America crap is a necessity to keep those terrorists out." I can just imagine some politician shouting that, and the sheeple crowd goes wild with mass applause :p

[PepperdotNet]

I'm for writing our own declaration and signing it on the fourth. We will march to DC and deliver it.Best idea I've heard all day.

[Michigan11]

get some rest and start over again in a few days. i do not think it's over. i don't know why, exactly, but i don't think so.

NICE! :D

[Elliott]

Well, I for one would say this is our last hour, and the end to America as we know it. We did the best we could, but I am afraid that this is just, well... The end to America. Three hundred years of history. Three hundred years of blood spilled in the name of this concept of, "freedom." All to go to waste, and the equivalent to stepping all over our founders and their ideology. I assume Americans simply do not care for freedom any longer. Or at least until they lose it completely.

Three hundred years of history... And it all amounts to this. Millions of American lives killed in the name of this, "freedom." For what? Corporatism and corruption beyond our founders wildest dreams?

You know, I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who once said, "America will not be destroyed by foreign enemies. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." This couldn't be more dead on.

Freedom never lasts.

Actually most of that blood that was spilled, other than that which was spilled during the Revolutionary War, was NOT spilled for "freedom." ...maybe "in the name of freedom" but that's not the same thing. It's called 'taking freedom's name in vain.'

[shaunish]

America is dead....we're in the midst of big government hybrid socialism/corporatism.

i agree 100% ... but the sad part is that our corporate government cant even stay competitive at global levels. why dont they just take the next step and start owning companies so they can be on a level playing field with the rest of the world.

[kyleAF]

Is it survivable?

If the shit really hits the fan, cities may not be.

Supplies won't last. Food isn't as plentiful as people might think.

[revolutionary8]

and it is won by battles.

The first step of the NAFTA superhighway is the TTC and the last meeting was held at a place where there was not enough room and not enough parking- many went home because the literally had no where to park.

.....
Ron Paul, Republican congressman from Lake Jackson who is running a longshot bid for president, has filed a bill in the House of Representatives to prevent the proposed Trans-Texas Corridor from receiving federal dollars.

The TTC is a large transportation network championed by Gov. Rick Perry and the Texas Department of Transportation that would carve a wide swath out of central Texas to add highway lanes, rail lines and other infrastructure to major trade routes in the state.

Paul, who represents District 14, has long opposed the concept. Among the goals of the TTC are improving trade between the U.S. and its North American neighbors. Paul, who opposes U.S. membership in the United Nations, has said the TTC is part of a broader effort to form a North American organization that could supplant aspects of U.S. law and policy.

Paul has further stated his opposition to the superhighway being built by private companies, who would control aspects of the corridors and would charge fees for its use.

“I am particularly concerned about the use of eminent domain to take private land for the construction of this highway,” said Paul, “and this bill would prevent the federal government from participating in this heinous practice.”

Thus far, planning is under way for two major routes of the corridor: TTC-35 (to run along I-35 in Central Texas) and TTC-69 (to run along the path of the future I-69 along the Gulf Coast).

The corridor proposal has run into much criticism. In January, TxDOT officials travelled the state for a series of “town hall meetings,” which were intended to foster discussion about the TTC and what state leaders say are its benefits. The meetings, including one in Rosenberg, brought out large numbers of opponents.

Paul's district includes western and northern Fort Bend County, including Simonton, Fulshear and Cinco Ranch. He faces two primary opponents in his District 14 re-election bid, and is a candidate in the Republican presidential primary.
http://www.herald-coaster.com/articles/2008/01/31/news/top_story/topstory.txt

[PatriotG]

Best idea I've heard all day.

Agreed. Excellent Idea.


Im going out onto the web now and boning up a FEMA Camp literature.:D

[Victor]

Isn't the Army's task to defend USA both from foreign and dosmetic enemies?

[fedup100]

You know, I don't mean to promote or break any forum rules here, or be arrested by the NSA for being a terrorist (that was a joke) but I think we still have one last card to play. And that's a violent revolution. (Just for the moderators, I'm not promoting this, condoning it, etcetera) Sad thing is that in order for change to happen, it always seems as if people have to die. And if that's what our cause has come to; life or death, then what are we fighting for? It's so upsetting. Three hundred years of history and bloodshed, and it's all come down to this. All of the American lives lost. Hell, if only they knew what America would come to, maybe those who fought for this, "freedom" wouldn't have had to suffer so much as they did, fighting for this concept that's only possible in dreams.

I will support and be a loyal follower of Ron and his entire family for the rest of my life. Same goes for Mike Gravel. I will never stop following, believing, and practicing every aspect there is of the American constitution, as long as I'm in America. No matter what laws or mass corruption comes about. Whether I get arrested for doing so, or shot because I proclaimed my G-d given rights. I'll die while reading my rights, if that's what it comes down to.

The fact that you must use caution and self censorship with your post says it all. The last of our freedoms are gone. There will be no revolution. Real americans have been bred out or married into the third world invaders families and their loyalty is not with this country.

This country will be saved, but only after the world bitch slaps her so hard 2/3 of the population is killed. Then a little remnant will rise up. For now, she is finished and Sean Hannity and Anderson Cooper and their ilk were the last ones to assail her, they cut her throat on national television as she lay dying.

The whole world has watched in living color and are laughing at the great america who is no more.

[Patriot123]

The fact that you must use caution and self censorship with your post says it all. The last of our freedoms are gone. There will be no revolution. Real americans have been bred out or married into the third world invaders families and their loyalty is not with this country.

This country will be saved, but only after the world bitch slaps her so hard 2/3 of the population is killed. Then a little remnant will rise up. For now, she is finished and Sean Hannity and Anderson Cooper and their ilk were the last ones to assail her, they cut her throat on national television as she lay dying.

The whole world has watched in living color and are laughing at the great america who is no more.

Well, a good night sleep is really what I needed.

Brokered convention much? We might still have a shot at this. And hey... I never said I didn't support such a revolution ;) Hint hint. But I agree with what you're saying. Technically speaking, it's perfectly legal to talk about a violent revolution if, in we the people's decision the government has turned tyrannical. That's why the South in the Civil War and all of their generals didn't face war crimes. Because staging a revolution is perfectly legal, and not only encouraged in the Declaration of Independence, but it says that it's our responsibility to start such a revolt if our government were to become tyrannical. However, sadly, now with the Patriot Act as well as many other laws, you'd be shot for even thinking it if the CIA, Feds, NSA, etcetera felt like it.