Ron needs to call a press conference and say...

[Joe3113]

"The Republican Party no longer stands for fiscal conservatism, small government and individual liberty. Therefore I am announcing the formation of a new party that is going to destroy the big government socialist Republican party. A party that will NEVER move away from the constitution and true conservatism. Thank You. Now go f*ck yourself media."

hehe

But really, he should.

[NCMarc]

Let's call it the "New Conservative Party"

[Acidlump]

We would be the only people to hear about it.

[me3]

"The Republican Party no longer stands for fiscal conservatism, small government and individual liberty. Therefore I am announcing the formation of a new party that is going to destroy the big government socialist Republican party. A party that will NEVER move away from the constitution and true conservatism. Thank You. Now go f*ck yourself media."

hehe

But really, he should.
Yeah, acting like an anti-social 14 year old will be a big help. :rolleyes:

[freedom-maniac]

We would be the only people to hear about it.

Youtube...Daily Paul...that's about the extent of it...

[DirtMcGirt]

The New Whig party... what's our mascot going to be? A badger?

[dawnbt]

I pray for a 3rd party run!

[literatim]

Uh, no.

[skinnyskittles1989]

Let's call it the "New Conservative Party"

people might confuse that with neo-conservative party

[Joe3113]

Too bad the Constitution Party name is already taken by a party that does not actually stand for the constitution (according to wikipedia they want government control of pornography and other things).

[Joe3113]

Yeah, acting like an anti-social 14 year old will be a big help. :rolleyes:

I suppose you would prefer staying in the nWo, NAU-loving GOP. LOL.

[TonySutton]

I prefer the REAL Conservative Party

[DirtMcGirt]

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/562/badgerdc0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[me3]

I suppose you would prefer staying in the nWo, NAU-loving GOP. LOL.
You're basically admitting you have no idea what you are talking about. A 3rd party has zero chance of accomplishing change at the rate of fascist shift in my lifetime, let alone in Ron Pauls.

Do you people actually live on planet earth, and understand what we are up against? It's not internet or media censorship. It's the most powerful and rich people in the world, for the last several hundred years.

They have a massive head start, and folks like you are proposing starting over and shooting everyone the finger on the way.

You show ZERO respect for Republicans who support Ron Paul and the traditional party position.

Which frankly, is a lot more support than the so-called internet supporters who can't even be bothered to find out where to vote, let alone volunteer to be a delegate.

[Staynsane]

You're basically admitting you have no idea what you are talking about. A 3rd party has zero chance of accomplishing change at the rate of fascist shift in my lifetime, let alone in Ron Pauls.

Do you people actually live on planet earth, and understand what we are up against? It's not internet or media censorship. It's the most powerful and rich people in the world, for the last several hundred years.

They have a massive head start, and folks like you are proposing starting over and shooting everyone the finger on the way.

You show ZERO respect for Republicans who support Ron Paul and the traditional party position.

Which frankly, is a lot more support than the so-called internet supporters who can't even be bothered to find out where to vote, let alone volunteer to be a delegate.

Agree. It will take time, patience, determination and a soul searching quest for how much you can stand, but look at the return. Priceless...

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Either iNDEPENDENT or a new party. Let's do this thing!!

[Joe3113]

A 3rd party has zero chance of accomplishing change at the rate of fascist shift in my lifetime, let alone in Ron Pauls.

But it would give us more time and momentum and we could get more supporters for the long-haul.

If we stop now and Ron goes back to congress, then most supporters who are not yet really 'in' with the anti-nWo Ron Paul core of support, will scatter away and we will be back to the core group of about 20 thousand people.

[timnavarro]

Realistically, he would be best going with the libertarian party if he fails to get the republican nomination. They've already got a spot on a lot of ballots and it would save him having to get on all those ballots. Short of that, how about:

The Original Republican Party

--Tim

[Steve_New_Jersey]

Let's call it the "New Conservative Party"

Would that not also be the "Neo Conservative Party"? Sounds like a bad choice in names hehe.

[devil21]

Constipublican party ;)

(sounds a bit too much like constipated party tho lol)

[Joe3113]

The PaleoConservative Party.

[kill the banks]

listen to your leader ~ ron paul ... talk less

kill the banks

[paul4justice]

Curlz31 is an Australian, what the holy heck are we listening to him for? Letting him get involved in the Internal Affairs of America? Sounds about as constitutional as the Fed to me.

Go worry about your own country kid, you got a lot to be worried about from what I hear.

P4J

[LukeNM]

Liberty & Freedom Party

[KewlRonduderules]

New Federalist Party.

[ShaneC]

Constipublican party ;)

(sounds a bit too much like constipated party tho lol)

yeah, it does lead me to want to take some ExLax....actually, today makes me feel like I need some 'stimulus'. *ahem* but I digress....

I do kind of like the idea of a "new party", however, should a legitimitate option arise for a new party, how can we make sure we don't end up w/ poor support ala all other 3rd parties? The current laws still work against them. How do we prevent that from happening?

[Churchill2004]

Ron Paul already has a pro-liberty third party waiting for him, and he knows it. He's not going to forsake a long and close relationship with the Libertarian Party.

http://eventsespecial.com/img/lpLogo.gif

[FluffyUnbound]

You're basically admitting you have no idea what you are talking about. A 3rd party has zero chance of accomplishing change at the rate of fascist shift in my lifetime, let alone in Ron Pauls.

Do you people actually live on planet earth, and understand what we are up against? It's not internet or media censorship. It's the most powerful and rich people in the world, for the last several hundred years.

They have a massive head start, and folks like you are proposing starting over and shooting everyone the finger on the way.

You show ZERO respect for Republicans who support Ron Paul and the traditional party position.

Which frankly, is a lot more support than the so-called internet supporters who can't even be bothered to find out where to vote, let alone volunteer to be a delegate.

You know what? Fuck the Republican party and fuck saving the Republican party.

An independent run could do one critical thing: insure that the GOP suffers a defeat of historic proportions in 2008.

Taking 3-7% of the Republican vote in each state and bailing with it would teach these motherfuckers a lesson once and for all.

I would rather the open and admitted big government party win than a party full of liars who spout BS about small government and then support Bushite candidates.

[trey4sports]

You know what? Fuck the Republican party and fuck saving the Republican party.

An independent run could do one critical thing: insure that the GOP suffers a defeat of historic proportions in 2008.

Taking 3-7% of the Republican vote in each state and bailing with it would teach these motherfuckers a lesson once and for all.

I would rather the open and admitted big government party win than a party full of liars who spout BS about small government and then support Bushite candidates.

i agree man. fuck the GOP, a bunch of god-damn liars and crooks

[Joe3113]

Curlz31 is an Australian, what the holy heck are we listening to him for? Letting him get involved in the Internal Affairs of America? Sounds about as constitutional as the Fed to me.

Go worry about your own country kid, you got a lot to be worried about from what I hear.

P4J

How dare you sir.

- I have donated at least a thousand dollars to grassroots efforts.
- I have been finding American citizens in Australia to vote for him.
- The New World Order won't confine itself to the US and Europe.
- I spend 8 hours a day doing work for Dr Paul online.
- There are Australian troops fighting with Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq.
- I care about others.
- I had an American soldier email me via my website (australians4ronpaul.com) and say he felt a special connection with the Australian troops he served with and that he was eternally grateful for my help.

If you think this cause is confined to the US, you are wrong.

[Derek Johnson]

i agree man. fuck the GOP, a bunch of god-damn liars and crooks

Ah, wisdom.

Yes fuck the GOP :mad:, and fuck the democrats too. :mad:

BOTH are liberal socialist communist fabian trotsky scum....:mad::mad::mad:

I don't care if side show Bob is on the libertarian ticket, that is who has my vote.

Come on Ron, fight this one til November, we've spent a fortune on this campaign....as for minutes to talk radio, you wouldn't believe me if I told you...

[Joe3113]

You know what? Fuck the Republican party and fuck saving the Republican party.

An independent run could do one critical thing: insure that the GOP suffers a defeat of historic proportions in 2008.

Taking 3-7% of the Republican vote in each state and bailing with it would teach these motherfuckers a lesson once and for all.

I would rather the open and admitted big government party win than a party full of liars who spout BS about small government and then support Bushite candidates.

Exactly. You screw up their false paradigm with the independent run.

Plus we have the excitement of keeping the movement going.

[seeker1]

"The Republican Party no longer stands for fiscal conservatism, small government and individual liberty. Therefore I am announcing the formation of a new party that is going to destroy the big government socialist Republican party. A party that will NEVER move away from the constitution and true conservatism. Thank You. Now go f*ck yourself media."

hehe

But really, he should.

we can only wish.:cool:

[jclay2]

If we could get the constitution party to take out all of their theocrocy junk, we could possibly use their name.

[Peace&Freedom]

You're basically admitting you have no idea what you are talking about. A 3rd party has zero chance of accomplishing change at the rate of fascist shift in my lifetime, let alone in Ron Pauls.


An alternative candidate inside one of the two parties has the same exact main obstacle facing him/her as does one running 3rd party---namely, a mass media that will blackout all coverage of them on a dime, whenever they feel like it. It has NOTHING to do with existing party organization vs starting from scratch, it has everything to do with the establishment's structural suppression of alternative candidates, whether inside or outside the 2 party system.

It is THAT obstacle that has killed third party runs for decades, not lack of organization. No coverage = no visibility = no fundraising = few votes. The internet has provided a viable and efficient means of putting together a coalition, a communication hub and (this cycle) a serious fundraising vehicle, to workaround the media shutout. But the silicon ceiling is still there, and is hard to burst through, be the person a Republican, Democrat or independent candidate.

Historically, party change happens when one major party IMPLODES and goes out of existence, as with the Whigs in the 1850's. The old wineskin was NOT transformed from within, it was scrapped and replaced with a new wineskin. God speed those trying to transform the GOP, but I'm not holding my breath, and think the going is just as hard as going 3rd party. This cycle is so far showing battling the elite is about as difficult either way.

[CelestialRender]

Third-party run is necessary at this point, to keep our foot-soldiers working. We need to be getting more precinct captains, meetups, etc. Constantly building, so that we can win next time.

[Churchill2004]

If we could get the constitution party to take out all of their theocrocy junk, we could possibly use their name.

Why? The Libertarians have been running the actual Constitutionalist like Paul, Badnarik, and Browne for decades. Which is why Paul has always maintained close ties with the LP, including endorsing and speaking for their candidates.

[CaliforniaAndre]

The Peoples Party

[Joe3113]

Third-party run is necessary at this point, to keep our foot-soldiers working. We need to be getting more precinct captains, meetups, etc. Constantly building, so that we can win next time.

+1

[eirrack77]

Applause To the Australian!

[paul4justice]

Curlz, MOST Americans would be disgusted to hear that you had donated money to our campaign - in any fashion. Infact, Ron Paul himself would be disgusted... he is against entangling relationships, and certainly against FOREIGN (remember you are a FOREIGNER) intervention in our political system. Being a man of the constitution I'm sure he'd rather lose than win because of foreign support. This isn't about the world, this is about America. I hate it when people think because they are deeply entrenched in American culture that gives them a stake in the nation. You are and unless move to America will always be, a Foreigner. From people I speak to its in part all the foreigners loving Ron Paul that steers them away from him.

Like I said, your country is screwed up more than ours, go look after yourself and stop interfering. These things do not concern you.

P4J

[pinkmandy]

Applause To the Australian!


Ditto that. We can't get AMERICANS to wake the f*** up and care and here we have a non-citizen foot soldier in another country working his arse off. That is to be commended, always. Thank you, sir. And you're right, what happens in the US affects the entire world. If WE are brought to our knees (we're already bending over) it is a sad sign of things to come for all.

[pinkmandy]

Curlz, MOST Americans would be disgusted to hear that you had donated money to our campaign - in any fashion. Infact, Ron Paul himself would be disgusted... he is against entangling relationships, and certainly against FOREIGN (remember you are a FOREIGNER) intervention in our political system. Being a man of the constitution I'm sure he'd rather lose than win because of foreign support. This isn't about the world, this is about America. I hate it when people think because they are deeply entrenched in American culture that gives them a stake in the nation. You are and unless move to America will always be, a Foreigner. From people I speak to its in part all the foreigners loving Ron Paul that steers them away from him.

Like I said, your country is screwed up more than ours, go look after yourself and stop interfering. These things do not concern you.

P4J


You're full of crap Mr. 8 posts. Paul is all for individuals helping out others, just not using tax dollars. Freedom is popular everywhere. You are NOT a RP supporter imo otherwise you would understand the Australian's stake in this. We have an international forum for a reason, one you don't "get".

[Soccrmastr]

Let's call it the "New Conservative Party"

Or Old Conservative Party. Since GOP is currently the New Conservative Party (AKA Neoconservative)

[Churchill2004]

Curlz, MOST Americans would be disgusted to hear that you had donated money to our campaign - in any fashion. Infact, Ron Paul himself would be disgusted... he is against entangling relationships, and certainly against FOREIGN (remember you are a FOREIGNER) intervention in our political system. Being a man of the constitution I'm sure he'd rather lose than win because of foreign support. This isn't about the world, this is about America. I hate it when people think because they are deeply entrenched in American culture that gives them a stake in the nation. You are and unless move to America will always be, a Foreigner. From people I speak to its in part all the foreigners loving Ron Paul that steers them away from him.

Like I said, your country is screwed up more than ours, go look after yourself and stop interfering. These things do not concern you.

P4J

Yay, irrational bigotry!

It's all them dammed furrners, fault, right?

By the way, there's nothing in the Constitution about foreign citizens taking part in the political discourse.

[bkreigh]

Applause To the Australian!

+1

[paul4justice]

Let me remind any Americans here that what we are fighting is Globalization. To defeat such we have decided it is necessary to have an international forum. The hypocrisy is ripe here. The CFR and NAU (world government) people must be laughing their asses off to watch a bunch of "constitutionalists" run around on the internet with foreigners.

P4J

[Bryan]

For the record, I current see low payback for starting a new party but if you are you've got to appeal to the mainstream as much as possible- my thought on a name: The Reagan Conservative Party

[JS4Pat]

Too bad the Constitution Party name is already taken by a party that does not actually stand for the constitution (according to wikipedia they want government control of pornography and other things).

Maybe we could take over that party. It would be easier than the GOP. :D

[Ironyinc]

I do kind of like the idea of a "new party", however, should a legitimitate option arise for a new party, how can we make sure we don't end up w/ poor support ala all other 3rd parties? The current laws still work against them. How do we prevent that from happening?

Unfortunately, the best way for a third party to gain any sort of traction would be to not run a presidential candidate. A new third party would (and should) work on getting people into state legislative positions and perhaps a few people into congress. It would want to maintain favorable relations with republicans while still taking issue with the national GOP, so therefore in areas where you have close races between dems and reps you would only want to give out public endorsements and not run a candidate and potentially cost the republican the position, but in places like Paul's congressional district where the democrats have stopped fielding opposition the third party could provide principled opposition.

The state legislators would then be charged with fixing ballot access laws and other two party preferential statutes. Given a few years with positive results on the state level, then you might have a chance on a presidential election.

[Joe3113]

For the record, I current see low payback for starting a new party but if you are you've got to appeal to the mainstream as much as possible- my thought on a name: The Reagan Conservative Party

I like it.

Unfortunetly, as Ron has said, Reagan was a failure. He couldn't practice what he preached. Ron is 1000x the man Reagan was.

But I understand using it for the brain-dead, superficial, conservative appeal.

[MN Patriot]

The New Whig party... what's our mascot going to be? A badger?

A penguin! Works great for the Libertarian Party.