looks like RP got 4th in WV...

[PauliticsPolitics]

sadly, it looks like RP has recieved 4thin the first round of the caucus in West Virginia. Thus he will be eliminated and then the deligates have to vote amongst the top 3. I'll keep y'all posted in this thread.

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

What in the hell is wrong with West Virginia? You would think the most poverty stricken State would be all for someone like Dr. Paul. Unless our delegates can somehow revolt and refuse to cast their vote than I hope they vote for Huckabee. I do not agree with the man at all but at least it would really piss off McCain and Romney.

[PauliticsPolitics]

the first round of the caucus:
464=ROMNEY
118=PAUL
176=MCCAIN
375=HUCKABEE

[joey]

so is this a winner take all state?

[PauliticsPolitics]

What in the hell is wrong with West Virginia? You would think the most poverty stricken State would be all for someone like Dr. Paul. Unless our delegates can somehow revolt and refuse to cast their vote than I hope they vote for Huckabee. I do not agree with the man at all but at least it would really piss off McCain and Romney.

it seems huckabee has quite a good chance.

[Ex Post Facto]

Is this just one precinct?

[MJfromCT]

McCain's cronies have a tough decision in this next round on who to support. Obviously McCain has zero shot at this state.

[280Z28]

Is this just one precinct?

No, this is the state delegate convention.

[Eponym_mi]

Huckabee 375
McCain 176
Paul 118
Romney 464


Ron Paul will be eliminated from the next round of voting. I have no idea how the next vote will go. Do Ron Paul supporters walk out?

[Give me liberty]

What do you mean by eliminated ?

[robert4rp08]

Crikey. RP delegates should vote for Huckleberry then.

[Dustancostine]

I hope they go for Huckabee too, we need a brokered convention.

Or at least Mitt, but not Mc100.

--Dustan

On a side note, it does appear that the RP delegates can play King Maker, RP should be pulling some strings and getting some promises from Mitt, for the delegates.

[terlinguatx]

McCain woul've gotten 0 and Paul would've gotten first or second if the media hadn't slobbered over john, and blacked out ron in the past week

[MGreen]

I assume McCain's delegates will mostly go to Huckabee, if they're organized.

I'd love to see the RP delegates walk out.

[grizzums]

Geez, I thought we had a good chunk of the delegates??? What the hell happened??

[Eponym_mi]

What do you mean by eliminated ?

Ron Paul will not be an option in the next round of voting.

[GoDrNo]

Huckabee 375
McCain 176
Paul 118
Romney 464


Ron Paul will be eliminated from the next round of voting. I have no idea how the next vote will go. Do Ron Paul supporters walk out?

I was wondering the same thing...maybe give the vote to Huckabee? Better him than Romney or McInsane as far as someone besides RP getting delegates.

[PauliticsPolitics]

This is a "convention" so it's not over until a candidate has 51% of the vote at the caucus. So Each round they will eliminate the lowest scorer. The tallies are low because these are county delegates voting. There is a primary also in may. you can read the rules here:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/states/west-virginia/the-gop-convention-primary/

[Dustancostine]

Good job West Virginia, I know that y'all worked hard. 11% is pretty good. You should be proud.

--Dustan

[Oyate]

the first round of the caucus:
464=ROMNEY
118=PAUL
176=MCCAIN
375=HUCKABEE

Wow, it almost looks like they line up in terms of the "perceived religiosity" of the candidate.

Well, thanks WVA RPR for all your hard work! We didn't take any trouncing, our numbers aren't pathetic next to McCain's, proving that we are still competitive with various top-contenders in various states!

There is no defeat when the oppressed rise. Liberty exists the moment they take it.

[Dustancostine]

It seems like it is a hard choice for the RP delegates there. Give their votes to Huckabee, hope for a brokered convention, with the possibility that McCain gets 51% by the time the National Convention rolls around, or give the win to Romney to keep Mc100 at bay.

Not sure which one I would rather have.

--Dustan

[PauliticsPolitics]

Geez, I thought we had a good chunk of the delegates??? What the hell happened??

Yes, we had a good chunk of the county delgates, those are not state delegates.

[utrunner07]

Sadly, I am afraid 4th place finishes are the order for the day...the guy just has not gotten enough publicity through the mass publicity machines. Millions of people still have absolutely no clue that a Ron Paul is running, much less, what he stands for...

time to start considering a new strategy....

go ahead now call me a troll.

[Eponym_mi]

Yes, we had a good chunk of the county delgates, those are not state delegates.

10%? That isn't a good chunk.

[PauliticsPolitics]

10%? That isn't a good chunk.

I didn't know anyone claimed that we had a good chunk of WV delegates.

[Oyate]

It seems like it is a hard choice for the RP delegates there. Give their votes to Huckabee, hope for a brokered convention, with the possibility that McCain gets 51% by the time the National Convention rolls around, or give the win to Romney to keep Mc100 at bay.

Not sure which one I would rather have.

--Dustan

Not a bad idea. Give them to Huckster to keep a clear winner from emmgerging.

[dante]

umm where did you find these results... if I recall we had more than this many delegates pledged to RP so this doesn't make sense at all

[andy mcdee]

but the national delegates are chosen separately? so is there still a chance to sneak some ron paul supporters in or will the winner be the one who chooses who gets to be a delegate.

[grizzums]

Yes, we had a good chunk of the county delgates, those are not state delegates.

Okay. Thanks for the update. I think my lack of sleep is finally catching up with...my lack of patience and high stress level for today is not healthy. My frustration with my own countymen just continues to mount.

I need to go for a walk outside and get some fresh air. I just don't understand why so many can't see what we see.

I know y'all in WV have worked very hard. Thank you!

[PauliticsPolitics]

umm where did you find these results... if I recall we had more than this many delegates pledged to RP so this doesn't make sense at all

i am watching the live stream of the the caucus. it's currently in recess though for lunch.

[tonyr1988]

Yup - go Huckabee. He won't get 51% of delegates, so that's our best bet now.

[Oyate]

Sadly, I am afraid 4th place finishes are the order for the day...

A little early in the day don't you think?



the guy just has not gotten enough publicity through the mass publicity machines.

We got more for this movement than at all previous times combined. Not too bad.


Millions of people still have absolutely no clue that a Ron Paul is running, much less, what he stands for...

Millions more do. RP is like a gateway to the movement itself. Millions are now educating themselves and others. Hey, you didn't think we were just going to win an election, rip down the goal posts and go home did you? We're not a one-shot wonder bro.


time to start considering a new strategy....

Be sure you understand this one first.


go ahead now call me a troll.

Don't tell me what to do dude. You ain't my boss. :P

[dante]

i am watching the live stream of the the caucus. it's currently in recess though for lunch.

LINK?

[qh4dotcom]

What in the hell is wrong with West Virginia? You would think the most poverty stricken State would be all for someone like Dr. Paul. Unless our delegates can somehow revolt and refuse to cast their vote than I hope they vote for Huckabee. I do not agree with the man at all but at least it would really piss off McCain and Romney.

West Virginia has the biggest pig as a senator...over $3 billion in pork

http://www.cagw.org/site/News2?id=9902&page=NewsArticle

The West Virginians have been reelecting him for decades...that's why I am not surprised that they would vote for the most fiscally responsible candidate

[Sarge]

Huck people are going to be trying to get our vote during the recess. I would rather we back Huck as we can beat him in the West here.

McCain will win AZ and I don't want him to win. Mitt either. Go for the brokered convention.

We might get the Huck voters on our side later if we back them now.

[PauliticsPolitics]

A little early in the day don't you think?


NO - This is a convention, not a primary. Ron is OFFICIALLY last place in WV, they are movin on to the next round with just the top three.

Y'all can watch the convention here (http://ww2.wsaz.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?vt1=l&d1=0&ClipId1=mms%3A//a607.l2156158271.c21561.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/607/21561/v0001/reflector%3A58271&LiveURI=mms%3A//a607.l2156158271.c21561.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/607/21561/v0001/reflector%3A58271&h1=LIVE%20FEED:%20WV%20Republican%20Convention&at1=Video%20Player&LiveURITitle=LIVE%20FEED%3A%20WV%20Republican%20Co nvention&LaunchPageAdTag=Video%20Player&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.wsaz.com/political/headlines/15269731.html%23twitter&rnd=82571352) - - however it won't resume for another 35 minutes.

[tonyr1988]

NO - This is a convention, not a primary. Ron is OFFICIALLY last place in WV, they are movin on to the next round with just the top three.

Y'all can watch the convention here (http://ww2.wsaz.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?vt1=l&d1=0&ClipId1=mms%3A//a607.l2156158271.c21561.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/607/21561/v0001/reflector%3A58271&LiveURI=mms%3A//a607.l2156158271.c21561.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/607/21561/v0001/reflector%3A58271&h1=LIVE%20FEED:%20WV%20Republican%20Convention&at1=Video%20Player&LiveURITitle=LIVE%20FEED%3A%20WV%20Republican%20Co nvention&LaunchPageAdTag=Video%20Player&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.wsaz.com/political/headlines/15269731.html%23twitter&rnd=82571352) - - however it won't resume for another 35 minutes.

I think he was saying it's too early to be predicting the other 20-something states today - we are finished in WV, but there are many more states to go.

[Oyate]

Huck people are going to be trying to get our vote during the recess. I would rather we back Huck as we can beat him in the West here.

McCain will win AZ and I don't want him to win. Mitt either. Go for the brokered convention.

We might get the Huck voters on our side later if we back them now.

Seriously tough decision. Tactically it looks like you should go for Huckster. I'd want to make a quick call to the campaign for advice.

[TXcarlosTX]

this is where the game starts!!! vote for huckster, that will show our power to sway things!!! we know you dont like him. then try to get interviewed and promote ron paul brokered convention game plan!!!

[PauliticsPolitics]

I think he was saying it's too early to be predicting the other 20-something states today - we are finished in WV, but there are many more states to go.

umm, ok. I thought My title pretty clearly stated "4th in WV" not anything else.

[TXcarlosTX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cryMVK1PwuQ

ITS ALL IN THE GAME!!!!

[LEK]

I am sorry for sounding ignorant but:

This delegate thing does not seem to represent the people's choices, does it? I know they have to dwindle down the nominations (or do they?) but I fail to see how elected delgates speak for the voter?

Can someone help me or is this the same logic as the electoral system?

[AlexMerced]

well, if you wanted to to vote becoming a delegates was oepn to everyone months ago, that's what happens when you don't follow your states electoral system

[MGreen]

I am sorry for sounding ignorant but:

This delegate thing does not seem to represent the people's choices, does it? I know they have to dwindle down the nominations (or do they?) but I fail to see how elected delgates speak for the voter?

Can someone help me or is this the same logic as the electoral system?
It's a political party electing its nominee. They can decide how to decide their nominee, even if it's not very representative of that state's voters.

This is the system the WV GOP decided to adopt.

[Bubba]

I'd love to see the RP delegates walk out.

Is this possible???? :eek: If so, I "bump" this idea.

Newbie to politics here but: If that happened everywhere where the polls were uh, suspect, then wouldn't that mess up the minimum AVAILABLE total candidates necessary for the nomination? Ergo, it would be a mulligan and a do-over? (Gosh, hope that didn't sound too ignorant)

Sort of like a hung jury?

[TXcarlosTX]

I'd love to see the RP delegates walk out.

Is this possible???? :eek: If so, I "bump" this idea.

Newbie to politics here but: If that happened everywhere where the polls were uh, suspect, then wouldn't that mess up the minimum AVAILABLE total candidates necessary for the nomination? Ergo, it would be a mulligan and a do-over? (Gosh, hope that didn't sound too ignorant)

Sort of like a hung jury?

bubba... we need to play the game. vote for huckster and we get some press that we have power to make things happen. and media will say we voted for huckster because ron paul plan is a brokered convention. that will show our gameplan!!
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?

[PauliticsPolitics]

I am sorry for sounding ignorant but:

This delegate thing does not seem to represent the people's choices, does it? I know they have to dwindle down the nominations (or do they?) but I fail to see how elected delgates speak for the voter?

Can someone help me or is this the same logic as the electoral system?

Well, pretty much you just go to your local office and decide to be a delegate. there were plenty of un filled slate . .. which is sad. look:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/states/west-virginia/

There is also a popular vote later in may that will earn some deligates.

[Eponym_mi]

This delegate thing does not seem to represent the people's choices, does it?

This is by design. A direct vote would allow sabotage of primaries and caucuses, i.e., cross over voters polluting the party. Delegates are usually people who have more interest in the party long term.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

It's a respectable showing.

[N13]

Gameplan: Vote for Huck

Its the best option available.

[Mithridates]

vote for huckster and we get some press that we have power to make things happen. and media will say we voted for huckster because ron paul plan is a brokered convention. that will show our gameplan!!
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?

Sounds good to me. Good for two reasons:

-If Huckabee does well the media will be forced to remember that it's not a two-way race
-Also serves to remind everybody else that Ron Paul is a force to be reckoned with, and that you ignore it at your peril (i.e. if Romney had made any concessions towards Ron Paul's platform or supporters before they might have been inclined to vote for him in the second round)

[Sarge]

This is our first power play opportunity. We make deals now. Back Huck and get his votes later.

Huck is not going to win out West. Please don't talk about walking out. That would give up a golden opportunity to get a mark here. We have to at least knock out McCain.

[Eponym_mi]

I'd love to see the RP delegates walk out.

Me too...that would put the decision in the lap of McCain supporters. I'd like to see which way they split.

[dante]

I'm sure the campaign is telling the delegates who to vote for next. And in the process might have called say... huckabee's campaign and struck a deal for huckabee to tell his supporters in another caucus state to vote for RP

[TXcarlosTX]

Sounds good to me. Good for two reasons:

-If Huckabee does well the media will be forced to remember that it's not a two-way race
-Also serves to remind everybody else that Ron Paul is a force to be reckoned with, and that you ignore it at your peril (i.e. if Romney had made any concessions towards Ron Paul's platform or supporters before they might have been inclined to vote for him in the second round)


haha yup!! show our strength!!! make sure people get interviewed by press and promote our game plan. brokered convention is a MUST!!

[Roadrcr]

You are all insane. Rather cut my nuts off then vote for a pastor in chief .. Huck the pedophile.

[tonyr1988]

[QUOTE=Bubba;1182468]

bubba... we need to play the game. vote for huckster and we get some press that we have power to make things happen. and media will say we voted for huckster because ron paul plan is a brokered convention. that will show our gameplan!!
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?

I agree with voting for Huckster, but not for the same reason.

The media won't say "Huckabee won because Paul supporters have so much influence." I guarantee it. They will avoid mentioning us as long as possible.

Earlier today a reporter was talking about Romney + McCain, and say "And don't forget, there's another Republican still in the race...Mike Huckabee."

But yeah, we need Huck to steal some delegates if we can't.

[TXcarlosTX]

You are all insane. Rather cut my nuts off then vote for a pastor in chief .. Huck the pedophile.


its just the game man. we know we dont support him. but if you support ron paul you will suck it up and play the game. EVERYTHING WE DO IS FOR RON PAUL!!


brokered convention vatos!! :cool:

[Sarge]

I agree, if McCain is bumped, in the next round, it gets real interesting.

Anything to help us get a brokered convention. The longer we have to get the word out the better.

[dante]

You are all insane. Rather cut my nuts off then vote for a pastor in chief .. Huck the pedophile.

Yes very true... but huck people are more likely to strike a deal with us today than any other candidate's supporters. The enemy of my enemy is my friend mantra. We can throw West Virginia to say Huckabee in return for say Huck's supporters in caucus states out west where he has no chance helping make sure RP comes in first out there. Its a very good quid pro quo.

[Eponym_mi]

I agree with voting for Huckster

I'd have to vomit first.:(

[sratiug]

Give the votes to Huck in the next round. Then McCain's people will back Huck in the last round. Can I get an amen? I don't like Huckleberry, but that's the obvious strategy, isn't it? Huck's way better than McPain. We can walk out at the national convention.

[LEK]

Thanks for the explanation.

I have a feeling the majority of people are clueless as to how all of this works.

So, if enough people became delegates for Ron Paul - he would have had a better chance - I can see how this would be hard for a grassroots effort where people are just learning how the system works. I can also see how it could be corrupted by mercenary delegates hired by the professional politician.

[TXcarlosTX]

Yes very true... but huck people are more likely to strike a deal with us today than any other candidate's supporters. The enemy of my enemy is my friend mantra. We can throw West Virginia to say Huckabee in return for say Huck's supporters in caucus states out west where he has no chance helping make sure RP comes in first out there. Its a very good quid pro quo.


haha we are getting it. i feel like if we are on an MTV inferno show. we need to make POWER DEALS!! and POWER PLAYS!!!! the goal is brokered convention!!! :D

[slantedview]

i wouldn't vote for any of them. it's ron or nobody.

i'd walk out.

[TXcarlosTX]

amen!!

[Laja]

Sadly, I am afraid 4th place finishes are the order for the day...the guy just has not gotten enough publicity through the mass publicity machines. Millions of people still have absolutely no clue that a Ron Paul is running, much less, what he stands for...

time to start considering a new strategy....

go ahead now call me a troll.

I agree. We need a new strategy. We are pioneers. We've never been privvy to just how corrupt the media is before. Ron Paul's allowed us to witness the truth of what's going on. So now we have to be smarter and more creative, in addition to canvassing like hell the states that remain after super tuesday.

[Roadrcr]

Unless Ron told me this himself I couldn't do it. It sends shivers down my spine.

[Eponym_mi]

Someone else made this point in another thread...we should only throw our support to someone if they commit to electing some of our delegates for the national convention. Otherwise, odds are greater that we get screwed later.

[american empire]

We've never been privvy to just how corrupt the media is before

you forget some of us were not asleep...just never heard....

but thanks to Ron our words were heard and people found him more credible than us.....

[Join The Paul Side]

Huckabee 375
McCain 176
Paul 118
Romney 464


Ron Paul will be eliminated from the next round of voting. I have no idea how the next vote will go. Do Ron Paul supporters walk out?


Hell yeah walk out.

[mosquitobite]

I agree. We need a new strategy. We are pioneers. We've never been privvy to just how corrupt the media is before. Ron Paul's allowed us to witness the truth of what's going on. So now we have to be smarter and more creative, in addition to canvassing like hell the states that remain after super tuesday.

This is what I think too.

After today, it's most likely no one has the delegates needed to secure the nomination. Sure, there will likely be a decisive FRONT runner, but that person will still have to secure other states.

Typically in the later states (like Indiana) turn out is low and there really isn't a reason to vote since the nominee has already been given a green light.

If the media touts McCain as the leader and the others drop out, turn out for conservatives will be LOW LOW LOW. This is our chance to win states! It won't matter if the media reports about it, all we have to do is stop someone from getting 51% of the national delegates.

IMO, our HQ's strategy should entail staying low and allow/encourage the grassroots. If our feet are on the street in the later states, there could be no stopping us :D

Anyone have a graph of total national delegates by state? What we need is the bottom line goal of a number to meet. :)

[Sarge]

You walk out and you loose the ability to play the game and have no say so in the final result.

You don't have to like it, but you want to have an impact for the later states.

The only way you do that, is make deals when they want your votes. It might win you the next state.

[KewlRonduderules]

You walk out and you loose the ability to play the game and have no say so in the final result.

You don't have to like it, but you want to have an impact for the later states.

The only way you do that, is make deals when they want your votes. It might win you the next state.


Agreed!

Think in terms of strategy - like one of those reality tv competitions- people make alliances but at the end there is only one.

;)

[JimInNY]

Thanks for the explanation.

I have a feeling the majority of people are clueless as to how all of this works.

So, if enough people became delegates for Ron Paul - he would have had a better chance - I can see how this would be hard for a grassroots effort where people are just learning how the system works. I can also see how it could be corrupted by mercenary delegates hired by the professional politician.

This is why my new website will come in handy down the road. It is going to be dedicated to educating the r3volution on how to win! It will be set up with explanations of the processes in all 50 states with forums for each state to discuss strategy.

I have it started but it won't be finished for a week or so: http://newr3volution.com/

[Eponym_mi]

Typically in the later states (like Indiana) turn out is low and there really isn't a reason to vote since the nominee has already been given a green light.

A candidate would be foolish to let their guard down if ANY other candidate is still in the race. Trust me, if RP stays in the race, McCain will GOTV.

[Sarge]

Live feed back on in WV.

[Eponym_mi]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=112233

[jsgolfman]

[QUOTE=mosquitobite;1182771]This is what I think too.



Typically in the later states (like Indiana) turn out is low and there really isn't a reason to vote since the nominee has already been given a green light.

Proud Hoosier precinct leader/delegate/committeeman here and we aren't going quietly into that good night, my friend. We may not win Indiana, but I'll be damned if I let them have it without paying a price.

[Paul Revered]

[QUOTE=Bubba;1182468]

bubba... we need to play the game. vote for huckster and we get some press that we have power to make things happen. and media will say we voted for huckster because ron paul plan is a brokered convention. that will show our gameplan!!
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?If I can get in here and read this; the "media" can. I'm sure that the political analysts, that are hired by the "media" are way ahead of any strategies that might be revealed on this message board. The fact is that I have no idea what Paul's plan is; nor, for the sake of security, do I want to.

[bbachtung]

McCain didn't even show up; the other three did. This is ridiculous. America is pretty much over for me.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Guys, we had a respectable showing. Keep your heads up.

The GOP is a dying party. Ron would do WAY better in a general election.

[Ayse]

Ron Paul wins West Virginia for Huckabee...that should be the headline.

[me3]

i wouldn't vote for any of them. it's ron or nobody.

i'd walk out.
And the movement will never get beyond 10% with that attitude.

You should have watched the training videos. This isn't selling out, it's working the convention process to win.

[Ethek]

Ron Paul wins West Virginia for Huckabee...that should be the headline.

Bleh, a vote for Huck is a vote for McCain. He is sooo brown nosing for a VP slot. I'll laugh when McCain drops him like a bad habit after taking his delegates.

[NoPants]

We want Huckabee to win. If we can't the next best thing is Huckabee. The more spread the field the better. When Huckabee drops out, we can get Huckabee's delegates at the convention.

[280Z28]

LOL @ the guy who yelled "It's Huckabee, not Huckleberry!"

[NoPants]

I just did some quick math. Right now "Huckelberry" has just barely 51%. That's what they need right? If he can keep it up a few more minutes this will be over in WV.

[Ayse]

Looks like a win for Huck in WV...

[NoPants]

He's got it. 51.6% Huckabee wins WV.

[wrinklepup]

Bleh, a vote for Huck is a vote for McCain. He is sooo brown nosing for a VP slot. I'll laugh when McCain drops him like a bad habit after taking his delegates.

agree!

[NoPants]

McCain got 1%. That's pathetic. If Ron Paul had made it to the 2nd round he would have at least made 12%. His original 118 votes were not going to change but almost all of McCain's 170 something decided to switch over or leave. Nice.

[LibertyForever]

I can't wait for the day, when i can laugh in peoples faces and say, i told you so.

[Ayse]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#WV

[Sarge]

McCain voters switched to Huck to keep Mitt from winning.

They know Huck isn't going to win the West.

[New Governor Of Alaska]

I am sorry for sounding ignorant but:

This delegate thing does not seem to represent the people's choices, does it? I know they have to dwindle down the nominations (or do they?) but I fail to see how elected delgates speak for the voter?

Can someone help me or is this the same logic as the electoral system?

It was designed on purpose so that people won't elect the "wrong" guy. I think there are only two or threee countries in the world which have this type of system, the other one is in Africa.

[wfd40]

Dudes, the huck/mcCain team-up is very bad for us imo

[ProBlue33]

Mike - 524
John - 11
Mitt - 479
Second round

[Bubba]

its just the game man. we know we dont support him. but if you support ron paul you will suck it up and play the game. EVERYTHING WE DO IS FOR RON PAUL!!


brokered convention vatos!! :cool:

:eek: Double :eek::eek: WRONGO!!! If you suppport Ron Paul YOU WOULD NEVER SELL YOUR SOUL AND PLAY THE F'N GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (bumps head against wall repeatedly...)

[Ron Paul Fan]

McCain got 1%. That's pathetic. If Ron Paul had made it to the 2nd round he would have at least made 12%. His original 118 votes were not going to change but almost all of McCain's 170 something decided to switch over or leave. Nice.

It isn't pathetic, it's politics. McCain voters jumped ship to vote for Huckabee over Romney. He was way back of both, so they decided to give the win to someone who isn't as big a threat. Pretty smart if you ask me. And McCain had more delegates than Paul, so if McCain's 170 is pathetic, what is Paul's 118?

[Vet_from_cali]

SEEN IT ON THE NEWS IN CALIFORNIA, SAYING HUCKABEE TOOK wv.....

[sharedvoice]

This is our first power play opportunity. We make deals now. Back Huck and get his votes later.

Huck is not going to win out West. Please don't talk about walking out. That would give up a golden opportunity to get a mark here. We have to at least knock out McCain.

Back Huck? You lost your mind. I would never back that cockgobbler even if it could be beneficial to our campaign. I don't see any benefit in doing that.

[TurtleBurger]

Dudes, the huck/mcCain team-up is very bad for us imo

I don't think most of Huck's people will follow him to McCain's team. Looking at this optimistically, I think the RP people jumping to Huckabee will be a hand of friendship to the Huckabee group, and maybe that will cause a lot of them to consider Ron Paul if/when Huckabee drops out.

[NoPants]

Dudes, the huck/mcCain team-up is very bad for us imo

When you say team up, do you mean running on the same ticket? Huckabee supporters don't like McCain. Even if Huckabee was the VP (which he won't be) that's not something that would happen before the convention. There's nothing wrong with him beating Romney. He will drop out before the national convention putting all his delegates back up for grabs. Romney might ride this out to the end. We're less likely to get those delegates from him.

Am I wrong about this. I admit I'm new to understanding this system but that's how I have interpreted it.

[SML]

Less delegates for Romney and McCain.

[wfd40]

I don't think most of Huck's people will follow him to McCain's team. Looking at this optimistically, I think the RP people jumping to Huckabee will be a hand of friendship to the Huckabee group, and maybe that will cause a lot of them to consider Ron Paul if/when Huckabee drops out.

I don't really care what "we" think.. at this point.. the caucuses should be looked at like a chess match and thus totally guided by Ron Paul himself. He (HQ) should be telling our delegates who to go with in all of the round 2s and 3s that will surely take place...

But no.. we are left floating in the friggin wind... we could've have given it to Romney if that's what Paul wanted..

There should be a top-down strategy in place to deal with exactly these situations and yet the retarded friggin Libertarians in the campaign don't/refuse to use enough political sense to make a the smart move and pool our efforts in a singular direction.

McCain directed his w.v delegates.. did Paul direct ours?

[Ron Paul Fan]

Paul's were eliminated in the 1st round.

[Redcard]

Look, it's simple. You goobers don't get it.

John McCain thinks this is a two horse race. Him and Mitt.

He thinks giving 17 or so delegates to Huckleberry won't do a darn thing to him.

So that's why McCain delegates crossed over Romney and went to Huck. They knew they could take him out ,and they knew that we were going to support Romney.

Our correct play would have been to, at that point, go BACK to Romney, and then when Huck was eliminated, go with Romney again.

It was obvious. The second anyone saw the McCain supporters colluding like that, we should have gone for Romney.

[Sarge]

Dr. Paul was eliminated the first round, not his delegates votes. They even said prior to the break, you can no horse trade during the break.

I would bet HQ was involved on our vote in the second round. We shall hear before long.

[Eponym_mi]

McCain directed his w.v delegates.. did Paul direct ours?

It looks like 164 of 176 McCain supporters went for Huckabee and 28 of 118 Ron Paul supporters went for Huckabee.

It also looks like 57 Ron Paul supporters went for Romney and another 33 Ron Paul supporters walked out.

[TurtleBurger]

Just read on HucksArmy forum that Huck gave RP 3 delegates in exchange for the RP support. Not sure if this is true or not but it sounds great!

http://forum.hucksarmy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8983&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=0398331aa947f8eb5ffad6c6da41e3f6&start=255

[wrinklepup]

It looks like 164 of 176 McCain supporters went for Huckabee and 28 of 118 Ron Paul supporters went for Huckabee.

It also looks like 57 Ron Paul supporters went for Romney and another 33 Ron Paul supporters walked out.



I would of Walked out!

[mosquitobite]

People here are missing the bigger picture. UNLESS McCain picks Huckabee to be the VP, this is more split delegates and it is GREAT for us!

I'm sure that's what HQ was thinking as well. Huckabee doesn't have a shot to get 51% of the delegates at the national convention. The more the votes are split, the better chance for the brokered convention.

[RonPaulFTFW]

This good.
the more division the better.

It won't fit the MSM's narrative about a 2 horse race.

We keep getting delegates and use the time to win people over before the convention.

[Shink]

I would not have voted for any of the others, but I do think some of the strategy at play makes sense. I'd be glad to see Huckabee knock Romney (but most importantly, McCain!!) down a few pegs so that we can take this to the convention.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

People here are missing the bigger picture. UNLESS McCain picks Huckabee to be the VP, this is more split delegates and it is GREAT for us!

OF COURSE McShame would pick Huckleberry in 2 seconds as his VP to secure the nomination. A brokered convention is very unlikely.

[Eponym_mi]

OF COURSE McShame would pick Huckleberry in 2 seconds as his VP to secure the nomination. A brokered convention is very unlikely.

That would be perfect for an Independent run....no way in hell the two of them would win in the general.

[xflashjr]

people think RP supporters are crazy, i really can not read the huckabee forum for more then a few minutes!

[Aggiedog]

4th? Where is this 4th number? All I see is we place 2nd in delegates. :)

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

people think RP supporters are crazy, i really can not read the huckabee forum for more then a few minutes!

Well I wouldn't worry about it, since all of Huck's supporters are claiming that "God" gave them the victory. They literally think that God gets involved in election primaries. :rolleyes:

[hueylong]

2ND BABY. Nice little deal for the 3 dels with Huckabee's people.

THAT is how it's done in politics.

[Rebel Resource]

This same exercise will likely be played out in other caucuses.

We can make deals with anybody....but huckabee's people are the most reliable for going through with the agreement.

[ashlux]

People here are missing the bigger picture. UNLESS McCain picks Huckabee to be the VP, this is more split delegates and it is GREAT for us!

I'm sure that's what HQ was thinking as well. Huckabee doesn't have a shot to get 51% of the delegates at the national convention. The more the votes are split, the better chance for the brokered convention.

Yup. It looks like Romney and Paul are doing the best at getting their supporters as delegates.