Where did "Win 5 states rule" rumor start?

[Cogz]

Just wondering.

I haven't seen any information that supports it.

SBL

Precinct Leader Rutland Township 01, Kane County, Illinois

[Austin]

It's fact. You must have majority support from delegates within 5 states in order to be either considered for the nomination, or placed on the first ballot, I'm not sure.

It's in the rules somewhere, but I haven't got a copy of them.

[hueylong]

It's not a rumor. It's rule 40(b) of the RNC Call. You must have the majority of delegates in 5 states (or territories) to have your name placed in nomination for President of the United States at the Republican National Convention.

[ProBlue33]

RULE NO. 40
Nominations
(a) In making the nominations for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States and voting thereon, the roll of the states shall be called separately in each case; provided, however, that if there is only one candidate for nomination for Vice President of the United States who has demonstrated the support required by paragraph (b) of this rule, a motion to nominate for such office by acclamation shall be in order and no calling of the roll with respect to such office shall be required.

(b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.

http://www.gop.com/About/Rules31-41.htm

[RP-Republican]

Thats during the voting at the national convention

[nodope0695]

Too bad there's not a paragraph (c):

Rule 40 (c): Each candidate must prove strict adherence to The Constitution of the United States, and demonstrated faithful adherence to his/her oath if currently elected to public office. Additionally, the candidate shall not have pandered to, or received contributions from, special interest groups or corporations not proven to represent the public interest of The United States.

[affa]

RULE NO. 40
Nominations
(a) In making the nominations for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States and voting thereon, the roll of the states shall be called separately in each case; provided, however, that if there is only one candidate for nomination for Vice President of the United States who has demonstrated the support required by paragraph (b) of this rule, a motion to nominate for such office by acclamation shall be in order and no calling of the roll with respect to such office shall be required.

(b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.

http://www.gop.com/About/Rules31-41.htm

Can someone explain to me the Vice President part of this? Does the Vice President NEED to be one of the current crop of candidates?

[BreakYourChains]

Can someone explain to me the Vice President part of this? Does the Vice President NEED to be one of the current crop of candidates?

No, this refers to the Presidential Candidates choice of his running mate - Vice President. Don't worry, we will cross the 5 state delegate thing when we get there. We still have a ton of ways to get the delegates we need. Hang in there, we are winning!

[Cogz]

Ahh, and there it is.

I heard on Alex Merceds' Vlog that delegates get to vote on party rules and platform though, so its possible that they can vote on exempting that rule if it comes to it, no?

[tonyr1988]

That's 5 states' delegates, not straw polls.

So, in the end, if the cards fall right, we may already have Maine, Nevada, and LA (if Romney drops before the convention). If we're seriously considering winning at the convention, then we'll need a lot more than 5 states.

[Jobarra]

Read the rule carefully. The candidate only needs the majority of delegates from five states(or territories from what has been said in the past) in order to get nominated for a vote. If Romney, McCain, and Huck are still there in the end, then the first vote will likely get no win unless some major deal making goes on. At that point, at least from my interpretation of the rule, we could talk enough delegates who would now be unbound to nominate Ron Paul as a choice. People were discussing it as though he had to have a majority of five state/territories BEFORE the convention. I do not think this is the case, but I'm still learning about the convention myself. I believe this wording is just to make sure that there aren't 50 names on the ballot if a stalemate seems to be coming. It limits the convention ballot to 11 names at most it seems like.

Otherwise, how would a candidate pick their own running mate if that person didn't actually run for the presidency? Some have mentioned suspending the rules via majority vote, but I don't think that is required. I imagine the president nominee's delegates just get told to support his VP choice for VP nomination.

[Rede]

If Dr Paul doesn't get a majority in 5 states on the first ballot he can on the second and then can be nominated. Hope isn't lost even if we don't win 5 states.

[Bradley in DC]

If Dr Paul doesn't get a majority in 5 states on the first ballot he can on the second and then can be nominated. Hope isn't lost even if we don't win 5 states.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1108623

There are repeated posts about Dr. Paul becoming the Republican presidential nominee in a brokered convention. Most of them are promoting bad information. Here are the actual rules (http://www.gop.com/images/2008_Call_FINAL.pdf):

Rules "binding" delegates are determined by the states (http://www.gop.com/images/Press_State_Summaries.pdf): some delegates are not bound at all, others for the first few votes (first, second or third), while other states bind their delegates until they are released.

In order to be eligible to be nominated at all [RNC Rule 40(b) (http://www.gop.com/About/Rules31-41.htm)], one requirement is to win the majority of delegates in five states (including DC and territories, RNC Rule 27 (http://www.gop.com/About/Rules21-30.htm)).

[Chester Copperpot]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1108623

There are repeated posts about Dr. Paul becoming the Republican presidential nominee in a brokered convention. Most of them are promoting bad information. Here are the actual rules (http://www.gop.com/images/2008_Call_FINAL.pdf):

Rules "binding" delegates are determined by the states (http://www.gop.com/images/Press_State_Summaries.pdf): some delegates are not bound at all, others for the first few votes (first, second or third), while other states bind their delegates until they are released.

In order to be eligible to be nominated at all [RNC Rule 40(b) (http://www.gop.com/About/Rules31-41.htm)], one requirement is to win the majority of delegates in five states (including DC and territories, RNC Rule 27 (http://www.gop.com/About/Rules21-30.htm)).

I am not hopeful of a win via a brokered convention... I feel like itll be all the other guys' delegates vs. ours.

[Jobarra]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1108623

There are repeated posts about Dr. Paul becoming the Republican presidential nominee in a brokered convention. Most of them are promoting bad information. Here are the actual rules (http://www.gop.com/images/2008_Call_FINAL.pdf):

Rules "binding" delegates are determined by the states (http://www.gop.com/images/Press_State_Summaries.pdf): some delegates are not bound at all, others for the first few votes (first, second or third), while other states bind their delegates until they are released.

In order to be eligible to be nominated at all [RNC Rule 40(b) (http://www.gop.com/About/Rules31-41.htm)], one requirement is to win the majority of delegates in five states (including DC and territories, RNC Rule 27 (http://www.gop.com/About/Rules21-30.htm)).
Huh? The rule says nothing about 'winning' a majority of the delegates in five states.


(b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.

He must have support of a majority of the delegates from each of five or more states. Where does it say he had to have won those states?

[acptulsa]

I am not hopeful of a win via a brokered convention... I feel like itll be all the other guys' delegates vs. ours.

So volunteer and become a delegate! I'm an alternate myself.

The rule in some states (like mine) is delegates are no longer bound if the winner-takes-all primary victor drops out by the convention. Just in case you're wondering why I'm always saying to be nice to Huckabee supporters.

[AlexMerced]

yeah if huck drops out before the Iowa state convention, and same with Romney, we can possibly have those open up for Ron Paul and have majority of the delgates in those states.... but then without those candidates the likeliness of brokered convention is low..

oh well, just keep fighting

[Bradley in DC]

Huh? The rule says nothing about 'winning' a majority of the delegates in five states.

He must have support of a majority of the delegates from each of five or more states. Where does it say he had to have won those states?

You read the rules correctly. My "winning" word choice (while generally accurate) was casual and is not the rule language. Given the state rules binding delegates, for most states, we will have to "win" the delegates in order to show their support.