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Trassin
02-04-2008, 09:51 AM
Article at The Paulunteer (http://www.paulunteer.com/from-brian/fraud-ronpaul2008fundcom/):

Please spread this far and wide amongst Ron Paul supporters!

The comment below was left on an article here at The Paulunteer. The link leads to a replica of the official website but has a donation link that DOES NOT go to the official campaign.

I am forwarding this information to the official campaign but it couldn’t hurt for a few other people to do the same. It’s a busy day and one email might get overlooked.

We need to try to get this site shut down or at the very least have warnings sent out to as many people as possible.

Carl Bethel Said:
We need to keep pushing hard, it all comes down to getting the word out, more radio, tv, billboards, brochures, messages…

Ron Paul is in it for the long run, we need to support him and support him with everything we can.

Give till it hurts, donate today:
http://www.ronpaul2008fund.com

If we don’t do something now, we’ll all pay for it later, put the ONLY TRUE REPUBLICAN into office.

Brian Bailey
02-04-2008, 09:53 AM
Oops. I am at the Edwardsville campaign office and I didn't realize John had logged in on the forums.

I actually posted this item.

hillertexas
02-04-2008, 09:53 AM
Let's keep this bumped.

idrake
02-04-2008, 09:55 AM
They used a private proxy for the domain name registration. Definitely shady.

ToryNotion
02-04-2008, 09:55 AM
Article at The Paulunteer (http://www.paulunteer.com/from-brian/fraud-ronpaul2008fundcom/):

Please spread this far and wide amongst Ron Paul supporters!

The comment below was left on an article here at The Paulunteer. The link leads to a replica of the official website but has a donation link that DOES NOT go to the official campaign.

I am forwarding this information to the official campaign but it couldn’t hurt for a few other people to do the same. It’s a busy day and one email might get overlooked.

We need to try to get this site shut down or at the very least have warnings sent out to as many people as possible.

Carl Bethel Said:
We need to keep pushing hard, it all comes down to getting the word out, more radio, tv, billboards, brochures, messages…

Ron Paul is in it for the long run, we need to support him and support him with everything we can.

Give till it hurts, donate today:
http://www.ronpaul2008fund.com

If we don’t do something now, we’ll all pay for it later, put the ONLY TRUE REPUBLICAN into office.

WHOIS information for: ronpaul2008fund.com:

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Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: RONPAUL2008FUND.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS3.ZONEEDIT.COM
NS4.ZONEEDIT.COM


Contact godaddy.com and report as possibly fraudulent.

CopperheadNC
02-04-2008, 09:59 AM
GoDaddy is just the registrar, so not sure complaining to them will help.

Looks like the site is hosted by BestWeb corporation:

OrgName: BestWeb Corporation
OrgID: BWC
Address: 25 S. Riverside Ave.
City: Croton on Hudson
StateProv: NY
PostalCode: 10520
Country: US

NetRange: 209.94.96.0 - 209.94.127.255
CIDR: 209.94.96.0/19
NetName: BESTWEB-BLK-1
NetHandle: NET-209-94-96-0-1
Parent: NET-209-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.BESTWEB.NET
NameServer: NS2.BESTWEB.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 1997-07-11
Updated: 2001-05-02

RTechHandle: SD333-ARIN
RTechName: Department, Systems
RTechPhone: +1-914-271-4500
RTechEmail: systems@bestweb.net

OrgTechHandle: SD333-ARIN
OrgTechName: Department, Systems
OrgTechPhone: +1-914-271-4500
OrgTechEmail: systems@bestweb.net

Airborn
02-04-2008, 10:00 AM
Everyone let google checkout know: http://checkout.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=mediation

-edit- i believe emailing abuse@google.com is better

ToryNotion
02-04-2008, 10:00 AM
<!-- Mirrored from www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/ by HTTrack Website Copier/3.x [XR&CO'2007], Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:52:40 GMT -->
<!-- Added by HTTrack --><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=UTF-8"><!-- /Added by HTTrack -->
<head>

These idiots left the evidence right in the html source.

Brian Bailey
02-04-2008, 10:02 AM
Thanks for the information, everyone. I have updated the article to include it.

Airborn
02-04-2008, 10:13 AM
bump we need to get this site taken down or the google checkout account suspended fast. Please email the domain info above and google checkout link above. abuse@google.com

slamhead
02-04-2008, 10:20 AM
Send email to abuse@DomainsByProxy.com

DNS provided by zoneedit.com

abuse@zoneedit.com
abuse@savvis.net

Site hosted at 209.94.123.109 bestweb.net

systems@bestweb.net
abuse@bestweb.net

Form post to:

https://checkout.google.com/cws/v2/Merchant/729283636667141/checkoutForm" id="BB_BuyButtonForm" method="post"

abuse@google.com

sgrooms
02-04-2008, 10:32 AM
DoS anyone?

slamhead
02-04-2008, 10:37 AM
<!-- Mirrored from www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/ by HTTrack Website Copier/3.x [XR&CO'2007], Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:52:40 GMT -->
<!-- Added by HTTrack --><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=UTF-8"><!-- /Added by HTTrack -->
<head>

These idiots left the evidence right in the html source.

Who ever it is...he is reading this forum..has removed the mirrored metatag.

ToryNotion
02-04-2008, 10:38 AM
site not responding now

ToryNotion
02-04-2008, 10:41 AM
<html><head><title>Site Not Found</title></head>
<body>No web site is configured at this address.</body></html>

Fool our kung fu is stronger than yours

Airborn
02-04-2008, 10:44 AM
Who ever it is...he is reading this forum..has removed the mirrored metatag.

it's still there

ToryNotion
02-04-2008, 10:44 AM
the homepage is displaying 'No web site is configured at this address' but the interior pages are still up. he's is full retreat now

Unspun
02-04-2008, 10:44 AM
DoS anyone?

Let's not do anything silly and waste time. Just report them, tell everyone you know that might donate to avoid the site (maybe even sticky this thread), and then move on.

ToryNotion
02-04-2008, 10:46 AM
does seem to be back up now. clear you browser cache b4 check html source

hillertexas
02-04-2008, 10:47 AM
When you go to the google checkout, it says:

Order Details - RP08, 837 W. Plantation Dr., Clute, TX 77531 US

Airborn
02-04-2008, 10:49 AM
Let's not do anything silly and waste time. Just report them, tell everyone you know that might donate to avoid the site (maybe even sticky this thread), and then move on.

that wouldn't be silly. We need to make sure this is taken down, not move on. this guy is trying to rip new comers who will want to donate to Ron Paul.

sgrooms
02-04-2008, 10:49 AM
When you go to the google checkout, it says:

give that address to the local meetup

sgrooms
02-04-2008, 10:50 AM
that wouldn't be silly. We need to make sure this is taken down, not move on. this guy is trying to rip new comers who will want to donate to Ron Paul.

exactly

Paulitical Correctness
02-04-2008, 10:50 AM
If you're reading this thread, douchebag, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your pubic hairs!


:mad::mad::mad:

CopperheadNC
02-04-2008, 10:50 AM
When you go to the google checkout, it says:

That is the address of the official campaign committee:

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q2/C00432914.html

MayTheRonBeWithYou
02-04-2008, 10:51 AM
Inform the HQ and the FBI.

hillertexas
02-04-2008, 10:52 AM
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q2/C00432914.html


Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee

837 W Plantation Dr
Clute, Texas 77531

sgrooms
02-04-2008, 10:53 AM
how has google checkout not canceled the account yet?

nullvalu
02-04-2008, 10:54 AM
If you're reading this thread, douchebag, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your pubic hairs!


:mad::mad::mad:

--oh nm :P

CopperheadNC
02-04-2008, 10:56 AM
huh?

I'm assuming he is talking to the asshole who put the site up, not to us.

Airborn
02-04-2008, 10:56 AM
how has google checkout not canceled the account yet?

they better get on it.. more emails? Anyone have a number to call?

Paulitical Correctness
02-04-2008, 10:56 AM
I'm assuming he is talking to the asshole who put the site up, not to us.

You are correct sir!

Airborn
02-04-2008, 10:57 AM
if you haven't yet email abuse@google.com

ChooseLiberty
02-04-2008, 10:58 AM
Trendmicro said someone was using Goog ads and checkout trying to use their name a few days ago. The new new scam. I bet the ronpaul2008fund was trying to get it on goog search.

Trendmicro said goog took it down after complaint.

ChooseLiberty
02-04-2008, 11:00 AM
Since it seems to be the beginning of something new trend why not report it to ALL the authorities?

Maybe Ghouliani is trying to recoup some campaign expenditures.

hillertexas
02-04-2008, 11:00 AM
https://checkout.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=42832&topic=


How do I report suspicious emails?

Forward a copy of the message to Google so we can investigate. Send the message to: spoof@google.com.
If you're a Gmail user, report the message as phishing with the link provided in the message header. Learn more.
Report harassing or suspicious messages to the U.S. Federal Trade Commission.

U.S. Federal Trade Commission: https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

ToryNotion
02-04-2008, 11:00 AM
i misspoke/wrote. this site is still up. i was check ronpaul2008fund.com instead of www.ronpaulfund2008.com. i think its pretty clear its a fraud as the pages showed evidence a site copier was used to create the page (evidence since removed) and the prec. leader count is a few thousand behind that of the real site. the sooner it is down the better. maybe we'd got some media coverage. ha ha i'm must be mad

CopperheadNC
02-04-2008, 11:01 AM
Someone posted a report on siteadvisor:

http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/ronpaul2008fund.com/postid/?p=694537#post694537

CopperheadNC
02-04-2008, 11:02 AM
i misspoke/wrote. this site is still up. i was check ronpaul2008fund.com instead of www.ronpaulfund2008.com. i think its pretty clear its a fraud as the pages showed evidence a site copier was used to create the page (evidence since removed) and the prec. leader count is a few thousand behind that of the real site. the sooner it is down the better. maybe we'd got some media coverage. ha ha i'm must be mad

I can't reach it ... although my IP may be blocked after running an nmap scan ....

hillertexas
02-04-2008, 11:03 AM
Google Checkout contact form:
http://checkout.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=privacy

TexMac
02-04-2008, 11:03 AM
Page source now says:

<meta name="description" content="This website is Independent of Ron Pauls 2008 official campaign - we intend to participate and deliver our own Money Bomb to this great Campaign." />

hillertexas
02-04-2008, 11:04 AM
http://www.bluenile.com/google_checkout.asp
If your order is eligible to be placed through Google Checkout, the button will display below our "proceed to checkout" button in the Shopping Basket. If you do not have a Google account already, you will have an opportunity to create one. Once signed in, you should see the Blue Nile items you have selected to purchase. After you place your order, Google will handle all communication regarding your order status. However, if at any time you have questions about your order, please feel free to contact us at 800-242-2728.

Edit: I don't know if that phone number is for google checkout or "Blue Nile"

ToryNotion
02-04-2008, 11:05 AM
the bastards doing this stuff are probably many thousands of miles out of the reach of US law enforcement

sgrooms
02-04-2008, 11:05 AM
calling 800-242-2728

Airborn
02-04-2008, 11:09 AM
Page source now says:

<meta name="description" content="This website is Independent of Ron Pauls 2008 official campaign - we intend to participate and deliver our own Money Bomb to this great Campaign." />

This is on the donation page itself:

<!-- Mirrored from www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/ by HTTrack Website Copier/3.x [XR&CO'2007], Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:52:40 GMT -->
<!-- Added by HTTrack --><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=UTF-8"><!-- /Added by HTTrack -->
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />

ChooseLiberty
02-04-2008, 11:09 AM
Of course any amounts over $2300 they will keep.

Definitely a scam. Tell everyone you know to watch what they click on goog ads even with goog checkout and a "brand" name.




Page source now says:

<meta name="description" content="This website is Independent of Ron Pauls 2008 official campaign - we intend to participate and deliver our own Money Bomb to this great Campaign." />

nullvalu
02-04-2008, 11:10 AM
You are correct sir!

right, got it now! LMAO :D

slamhead
02-04-2008, 11:10 AM
Page source now says:

<meta name="description" content="This website is Independent of Ron Pauls 2008 official campaign - we intend to participate and deliver our own Money Bomb to this great Campaign." />

The guy is changing the meta tags as he is reading this forum...Will not work scumbag.

CopperheadNC
02-04-2008, 11:10 AM
the bastards doing this stuff are probably many thousands of miles out of the reach of US law enforcement

Well the site is hosted in Jersey.

ChooseLiberty
02-04-2008, 11:11 AM
actually if goog can't stop this crap it could be very bad for them.

time to short goog stock?

maybe it's msft or yhoo doing it? :D JK

Airborn
02-04-2008, 11:12 AM
The guy is changing the meta tags as he is reading this forum...Will not work scumbag.

No source is the same that was on there first time i viewed it, when this thread was posted

nullvalu
02-04-2008, 11:13 AM
Hmm I'm still getting "No web site is configured at this address."

Jim_Karr
02-04-2008, 11:14 AM
How long has the site been up? They could of stole who knows how much allready? This is serious people.

sgrooms
02-04-2008, 11:14 AM
how many computers would we need for a successful DoS?

CopperheadNC
02-04-2008, 11:15 AM
Hmm I'm still getting "No web site is configured at this address."

I can get in now, so the site is definitely still up. Probably just having trouble handling the load?

CopperheadNC
02-04-2008, 11:15 AM
how many computers would we need for a successful DoS?

That is illegal. Stop it.

Plus, ICMP is blocked on his firewall.

Jim_Karr
02-04-2008, 11:16 AM
Can someone run a check of the person trying to sell RonPaul.com? Maybe nothing but just check it out and see if the info might be close if that can be checked.

ChooseLiberty
02-04-2008, 11:16 AM
:D




Plus, ICMP is blocked on his firewall.

RonPaulCult
02-04-2008, 11:17 AM
BREAK YOUR LINK OP - why send more people there?

sgrooms
02-04-2008, 11:17 AM
That is illegal. Stop it.

Plus, ICMP is blocked on his firewall.

so is having that site up. and i don't want to wait around while people could be donating as we speak.

Airborn
02-04-2008, 11:18 AM
Can someone run a check of the person trying to sell RonPaul.com? Maybe nothing but just check it out and see if the info might be close if that can be checked.

that person sold it already on ebay, and the buyer is redirecting it to the official site. So he's not a problem

Jim_Karr
02-04-2008, 11:19 AM
It says page can't be found.

Airborn
02-04-2008, 11:19 AM
How long has the site been up? They could of stole who knows how much allready? This is serious people.

Since Jan. 28? going by this in source code:

<!-- Mirrored from www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/ by HTTrack Website Copier/3.x [XR&CO'2007], Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:52:40 GMT -->
<!-- Added by HTTrack --><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=UTF-8"><!-- /Added by HTTrack -->

Jim_Karr
02-04-2008, 11:21 AM
Since Jan. 28? going by this in source code:

<!-- Mirrored from www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/ by HTTrack Website Copier/3.x [XR&CO'2007], Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:52:40 GMT -->
<!-- Added by HTTrack --><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=UTF-8"><!-- /Added by HTTrack -->


Wonder if any of the money from the money bomb went there? This needs to be checked out also and the prick surrender all the funds to Ron Paul. This makes me want to do something that might be prohibited by law to that mother fucker who did this.

Airborn
02-04-2008, 11:23 AM
Wonder if any of the money from the money bomb went there? This needs to be checked out also and the prick surrender all the funds to Ron Paul. This makes me want to do something that might be prohibited by law to that mother fucker who did this.

Yeh it had to be around that time cuz the ticker is on 3.8 million

miwg
02-04-2008, 11:23 AM
This was posted on Daily Dose today (people.ronpaul2008.com/campaign-updates):


No, There Is No “IRS Revolution Bomb”
February 4th, 2008 by Dan McCarthy

This looks like a dirty trick: a questionable “Free Press Release” website is claiming that Ron Paul 2008 is encouraging taxpayers to send the IRS blank tax returns this year. The claim is completely false. The Ron Paul campaign does not encourage this behavior and has nothing to do with any so-called “IRS Revolution Bomb.”

The person who posted this item — the Free Press Release site credits a “John Goshulak” — has fraudulently attached the campaign’s address and phone number to the release. Nobody named John Goshulak works for the campaign. This whole thing stinks: don’t fall for it.

LibertyEagle
02-04-2008, 11:24 AM
TS is correct. Per Debbie Hopper, Asst. RP Campaign Manager, this press release was not sent by the campaign and it is false.

NoPants
02-04-2008, 11:25 AM
Reported to spoof@google.com and abuse@google.com

Jim_Karr
02-04-2008, 11:25 AM
Yeh it had to be around that time cuz the ticker is on 3.8 mill


Well I believe his account should be frozen by law and his money recieved checked. This is theft by deciption.By this his account can be frozen and criminal charges brought up against him and his ass sent to prison. The campaign should get on this pronto.

ChooseLiberty
02-04-2008, 11:25 AM
BTW be careful with that page the Trendmicro phish had malware.

Airborn
02-04-2008, 11:26 AM
Reported to spoof@google.com and abuse@google.com

google is pissin me off, this needs to be handled fast

HappyJack
02-04-2008, 11:26 AM
What can be done about this?

ChooseLiberty
02-04-2008, 11:27 AM
goog should be required to notify all donors, goog and/or the credit card companies should make good.


Wonder if any of the money from the money bomb went there? This needs to be checked out also and the prick surrender all the funds to Ron Paul. This makes me want to do something that might be prohibited by law to that mother fucker who did this.

Airborn
02-04-2008, 11:28 AM
What can be done about this?

for one, his account suspended at google. And the site shut down

it's also illegal, Don't know how well he covered his tracks(I'm sure he did)

CopperheadNC
02-04-2008, 11:29 AM
Has anyone made a complaint here yet?

http://www.ic3.gov/

Airborn
02-04-2008, 11:31 AM
Has anyone made a complaint here yet?

http://www.ic3.gov/

thanks I will now

Jim_Karr
02-04-2008, 11:32 AM
What can be done about this?

seaze their bank account and put the prick in prison. Right now there is enough evidence to show he tried to decieve the public intentionally to theft. The person who did this is allready in deep shit just by putting that site up. That is called theft by deciption and we are not talking possible small amount of money here.He has fucked his self allready and better get out of America.He is going to prison without a doubt if anyone presses charges.

ChooseLiberty
02-04-2008, 11:33 AM
might want to capture some evidence in case the site is taken down.

NoPants
02-04-2008, 11:33 AM
The donation page has been taken down. I wonder if the creator watches this forum.

HappyJack
02-04-2008, 11:33 AM
I wonder how long it will take the FEDS to put a stop to this and return the credits to RP?

frasu
02-04-2008, 11:34 AM
The Site Looks Like Is Down...

The Power of the people

Jim_Karr
02-04-2008, 11:34 AM
for one, his account suspended at google. And the site shut down

it's also illegal, Don't know how well he covered his tracks(I'm sure he did)
He has to open a bank account under his real name for the funds to go into. He would be very easy to catch.

ChooseLiberty
02-04-2008, 11:35 AM
don't some of you guys have phone # for people in the campaign?

things would happen a lot faster if they contacted goog and the authorities.

CopperheadNC
02-04-2008, 11:35 AM
The Site Looks Like Is Down...

It's been down a couple of times today.

I have a feeling it just can't take the load of angry Paulites. It is being hosted on an IIS server, after all.

Paulitical Correctness
02-04-2008, 11:35 AM
The Site Looks Like Is Down...

The Power of the people

Paulites get shit done, no question.

HappyJack
02-04-2008, 11:35 AM
Do we have any friends in the MSM who would report this?

ChooseLiberty
02-04-2008, 11:36 AM
Anybody get the ip, etc?

Paulitical Correctness
02-04-2008, 11:37 AM
friends + MSM

=

LOL

Airborn
02-04-2008, 11:37 AM
He has to open a bank account under his real name for the funds to go into. He would be very easy to catch.

There are ways around that.. Whos to say he doesn't have fake identification? Anyone that would copy a Popurlar Candidate for President donation site, better cover his tracks or he is really a dumbass. I hope he gets caught.

Jim_Karr
02-04-2008, 11:38 AM
Do we have any friends in the MSM who would report this?

No,They would fuck us over and leave out the fund part or just say don't donate to Ron Paul. They would make it worse than it is for his funding. Campaign needs to call the feds and get this asshole in prison.

HappyJack
02-04-2008, 11:39 AM
=

LOL

My Bad...but surely there is one?

Airborn
02-04-2008, 11:39 AM
hmm site still works for me and donation page

sgrooms
02-04-2008, 11:39 AM
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Original Message Follows:
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From: sgrooms@xxxxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: FRAUD
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:00:16 -0800



AdWords_CID:
IssueType: acct_suspended
Language: en
Login_email: sgrooms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.com
Name: Samuel Grooms
Order_Number:
Question: The above site is a copy of ronpaul2008.com and is using google checkout to steal money from people that think they are donating to the Ron Paul Campaign. Can you please shut down their account ASAP and inform anyone that has donated. Thank You, Sam Grooms.
Visible_URL: http://www.ronpaul2008fund.com/index.html
contact_email:

CopperheadNC
02-04-2008, 11:40 AM
hmm site still works for me and donation page

Get screenshots if you can. If you have a way of capturing a vid of going to the site by entering in the URL, that would be awesome too.

Not sure why, but just in case we need some sort of evidence.

Jim_Karr
02-04-2008, 11:41 AM
There are ways around that.. Whos to say he doesn't have fake identification? Anyone that would copy a Popurlar Candidate for President donation site, better cover his tracks or he is really a dumbass. I hope he gets caught.

Right but they can track the transfer from one acount to another.I am sure he wouldn't go to the bank and do a withdrawl of cash.They would have his picture and suspision of that much cash being withdrawn at once.So they can see where the money goes as it is transfered.You can't really hide from this kinda shit with the tracking info.

sgrooms
02-04-2008, 11:42 AM
Firefox can't find the server at www.ronpaul2008fund.com

Airborn
02-04-2008, 11:43 AM
Get screenshots if you can. If you have a way of capturing a vid of going to the site by entering in the URL, that would be awesome too.

Not sure why, but just in case we need some sort of evidence.

I took screen shots and copyed the source code

sgrooms
02-04-2008, 11:43 AM
Right but they can track the transfer from one acount to another.I am sure he wouldn't go to the bank and do a withdrawl of cash.They would have his picture and suspision of that much cash being withdrawn at once.So they can see where the money goes as it is transfered.You can't really hide from this kinda shit with the tracking info.

chase lets you do wire transfers online to a swiss bank account.

Jim_Karr
02-04-2008, 11:43 AM
The person who did this better and should be very afraid of being bubbas cell mate for a very long time.

ChooseLiberty
02-04-2008, 11:43 AM
If the site goes down and the account get cleaned out and the person disappears back into the ether there needs to be some kind of evidence to pass along to anyone investigating.

screens, ip, whatever.

sgrooms
02-04-2008, 11:43 AM
website is finally down.

sgrooms
02-04-2008, 11:45 AM
i think his bandwidth limit might have been exceeded. could come back up soon.

NoPants
02-04-2008, 11:45 AM
I wonder how long it will take the FEDS to put a stop to this and return the credits to RP?

If the money is still in his Google account, they can suspend the account and refund all transactions. Let's hope that's the case. If so the money could be back today. That's IF anyone actually used it. I haven't heard from anyone that made a payment there.

Brian Bailey
02-04-2008, 11:47 AM
The site is still up if you use www.ronpaul2008fund.com.

Here is the original article with updates supplied by this forum:
FRAUD: RonPaul2008Fund.com (http://www.paulunteer.com/features/fraud-ronpaul2008fundcom/)

sgrooms
02-04-2008, 11:49 AM
The site is still up if you use www.ronpaul2008fund.com.

Here is the original article with updates supplied by this forum:
FRAUD: RonPaul2008Fund.com (http://www.paulunteer.com/features/fraud-ronpaul2008fundcom/)

hit refresh. its down.

Jim_Karr
02-04-2008, 11:51 AM
Did anyone call google and tell them to seize the account and have them check for transfers?

sgrooms
02-04-2008, 11:51 AM
Article at The Paulunteer (http://www.paulunteer.com/from-brian/fraud-ronpaul2008fundcom/):

Please spread this far and wide amongst Ron Paul supporters!

The comment below was left on an article here at The Paulunteer. The link leads to a replica of the official website but has a donation link that DOES NOT go to the official campaign.

I am forwarding this information to the official campaign but it couldn’t hurt for a few other people to do the same. It’s a busy day and one email might get overlooked.

We need to try to get this site shut down or at the very least have warnings sent out to as many people as possible.

Carl Bethel Said:
We need to keep pushing hard, it all comes down to getting the word out, more radio, tv, billboards, brochures, messages…

Ron Paul is in it for the long run, we need to support him and support him with everything we can.

Give till it hurts, donate today:
http://www.ronpaul2008fund.com

If we don’t do something now, we’ll all pay for it later, put the ONLY TRUE REPUBLICAN into office.

carl bethel? anyone think he was dumb enough to use his real name?

HappyJack
02-04-2008, 11:53 AM
It would be wise for the person to return the money to RP and turn himself in to the police, if they run it will just be that much worse. It doesn't sound like there plan was thought out very well and so there escape is probably not planned well either so comming clean is there only hope of any sort of Leniency. Prison is no place to spend there whole life.

Airborn
02-04-2008, 11:53 AM
it's down now for me, says "The system cannot find the file specified."

Jim_Karr
02-04-2008, 11:54 AM
carl bethel? anyone think he was dumb enough to use his real name?

Right. Does anyone got the number to call and if enough of us call it will be seized and something done about it on a criminal basis.

hillertexas
02-04-2008, 11:55 AM
carl bethel? anyone think he was dumb enough to use his real name?

http://www.babalublog.com/archives/003018.html

Based on these international understanding and protocol, it will be foolhardy for any public service personnel of the caliber that have so far commented on this episode both in The Bahamas (such as Senator Carl Bethel, the Editor of The Tribune, among others)

Airborn
02-04-2008, 11:56 AM
http://www.babalublog.com/archives/003018.html

Was about to post this: http://www.bahamas.gov.bs/bahamasweb2/home.nsf/3ef808c5751722df06256f00007c6623/29e1a1708a0c32c685257115006ee3f2!OpenDocument

after doing a search for Carl Bethel

sgrooms
02-04-2008, 11:57 AM
bethelcarl@aol.com attending shawnee state university

hillertexas
02-04-2008, 11:57 AM
http://www.bahamascommunity.com/blog/?archive=2005,11

Mr. Bethel is especially not qualified for public service. He has proven himself to be an incompetent, unethical attorney and was a disaster as Attorney General. It is alleged that he has assisted known criminals in skirting the intentions of the law and has instructed clients on unethical procedures that allow them to escape the enforcement of Supreme Court writs.

constituent
02-04-2008, 11:58 AM
Page source now says:

<meta name="description" content="This website is Independent of Ron Pauls 2008 official campaign - we intend to participate and deliver our own Money Bomb to this great Campaign." />

what a friggin' joke.

i'm sure their max is 2300 just like anyone else's....

though clearly, this was not their intention.

laaaaaaaaaaaame

CopperheadNC
02-04-2008, 11:58 AM
Well, it does look like the site may be down:

Trying 209.94.123.109...
Connected to 209.94.123.109.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET /index.html HTTP/1.0

HTTP/1.1 404 Object Not Found
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:57:14 GMT
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 111

<html><head><title>Site Not Found</title></head>
<body>No web site is configured at this address.</body></html>Connection closed by foreign host.

Airborn
02-04-2008, 11:58 AM
http://www.bahamascommunity.com/blog/?archive=2005,11

Mr. Bethel is especially not qualified for public service. He has proven himself to be an incompetent, unethical attorney and was a disaster as Attorney General. It is alleged that he has assisted known criminals in skirting the intentions of the law and has instructed clients on unethical procedures that allow them to escape the enforcement of Supreme Court writs.

wow. Could this really be our guy. Is he that dumb?

NoPants
02-04-2008, 12:01 PM
It would be wise for the person to return the money to RP and turn himself in to the police, if they run it will just be that much worse. It doesn't sound like there plan was thought out very well and so there escape is probably not planned well either so comming clean is there only hope of any sort of Leniency. Prison is no place to spend there whole life.

True. I've worked for companies that do online transactions. Every time a spoof or fraud site pop up trying to steal money from one of them they got caught. I was most surprised by the speed it happens at. One thing that will really help is if anyone did use the site, they can call Google, or their credit card company and dispute the charges. They'll get credited back the money instantly (for 90% of CC companies) and then the CC company starts going after the person that committed the fraud. These companies are serious about money and they always prosecute. They have teams of people that do this work for them full time, and lawyers out the yen-yang.

If anyone did pay through this please start this process. It's in your best interest.

Like Dr. Paul says, leave it in the hands of the market and it will take care of itself. These companies are faster and better at this than any federal department. They would take months, the CC company will get your money back instantly and find the criminal in hours or days.

hillertexas
02-04-2008, 12:01 PM
http://www.jonesbahamas.com/?c=45&a=10946
http://www.jonesbahamas.com/data/images/news/categories/C/CARL%20BETHEL2.jpg
FNM Senator Carl Bethel

hillertexas
02-04-2008, 12:01 PM
wow. Could this really be our guy. Is he that dumb?

Let's hope.

HappyJack
02-04-2008, 12:02 PM
wow. Could this really be our guy. Is he that dumb?

Surely not that stupid. It is probably a kid.

constituent
02-04-2008, 12:03 PM
http://www.jonesbahamas.com/?c=45&a=10946
http://www.jonesbahamas.com/data/images/news/categories/C/CARL%20BETHEL2.jpg
FNM Senator Carl Bethel

couldn't be him, he's wearing a business suit.

</sarcasm>

still though, i doubt it was him.

Airborn
02-04-2008, 12:04 PM
True. I've worked for companies that do online transactions. Every time a spoof or fraud site pop up trying to steal money from one of them they got caught. I was most surprised by the speed it happens at. One thing that will really help is if anyone did use the site, they can call Google, or their credit card company and dispute the charges. They'll get credited back the money instantly (for 90% of CC companies) and then the CC company starts going after the person that committed the fraud. These companies are serious about money and they always prosecute. They have teams of people that do this work for them full time, and lawyers out the yen-yang.

If anyone did pay through this please start this process. It's in your best interest.

Like Dr. Paul says, leave it in the hands of the market and it will take care of itself. These companies are faster and better at this than any federal department. They would take months, the CC company will get your money back instantly and find the criminal in hours or days.

Yeh. The problem is if this was done out of the country. Where most frauds like this take place.

Jim_Karr
02-04-2008, 12:05 PM
They need to check how much money was taken in on Feb 1st. on his account.

No way could that guy be that stupid to pull a stunt like that. A senator maybe though.

http://www.jonesbahamas.com/data/images/news/categories/C/CARL%20BETHEL2.jpg

HappyJack
02-04-2008, 12:07 PM
True. I've worked for companies that do online transactions. Every time a spoof or fraud site pop up trying to steal money from one of them they got caught. I was most surprised by the speed it happens at. One thing that will really help is if anyone did use the site, they can call Google, or their credit card company and dispute the charges. They'll get credited back the money instantly (for 90% of CC companies) and then the CC company starts going after the person that committed the fraud. These companies are serious about money and they always prosecute. They have teams of people that do this work for them full time, and lawyers out the yen-yang.

If anyone did pay through this please start this process. It's in your best interest.

Like Dr. Paul says, leave it in the hands of the market and it will take care of itself. These companies are faster and better at this than any federal department. They would take months, the CC company will get your money back instantly and find the criminal in hours or days.



With the recent losses in the markets the CC companys will chew this guys ears off before he goes to prison.

Paulitical Correctness
02-04-2008, 12:09 PM
Ya'll chill out with this Senator Bethel nonsense before he sues for defamation of character. :rolleyes:

Jim_Karr
02-04-2008, 12:15 PM
Ya'll chill out with this Senator Bethel nonsense before he sues for defamation of character. :rolleyes:


Sue who?. I got no money for him to sue me for. LMFAO Besides that no one is really accusing him of yet.

hillertexas
02-04-2008, 12:17 PM
Sue who?. I got no money for him to sue me for. LMFAO Besides that no one is really accusing him of yet.

Yea...I'm not seeing any defamation of character...just information gathering


Carl Bethel Said:
We need to keep pushing hard, it all comes down to getting the word out, more radio, tv, billboards, brochures, messages…

HappyJack
02-04-2008, 12:17 PM
couldn't be him, he's wearing a business suit.





The uniform of the enemy

Airborn
02-04-2008, 12:21 PM
The only thing that gets to me about the guy is this:

http://www.bahamascommunity.com/blog/?archive=2005,11

"Mr. Bethel is especially not qualified for public service. He has proven himself to be an incompetent, unethical attorney and was a disaster as Attorney General. It is alleged that he has assisted known criminals in skirting the intentions of the law and has instructed clients on unethical procedures that allow them to escape the enforcement of Supreme Court writs."

But yeh shouldn't accuse him without proof. Information gathering indeed.

the_bee
02-04-2008, 12:25 PM
bump

HappyJack
02-04-2008, 12:26 PM
This guy is British isn't he.......Member of Parliment

constituent
02-04-2008, 12:29 PM
This guy is British isn't he.......Member of Parliment

...and he lives in the sand on the isle of man.

BreakYourChains
02-04-2008, 12:29 PM
Bump

A Ron Paul Rebel
02-04-2008, 12:29 PM
Article at The Paulunteer (http://www.paulunteer.com/from-brian/fraud-ronpaul2008fundcom/):

Please spread this far and wide amongst Ron Paul supporters!

The comment below was left on an article here at The Paulunteer. The link leads to a replica of the official website but has a donation link that DOES NOT go to the official campaign.

I am forwarding this information to the official campaign but it couldn’t hurt for a few other people to do the same. It’s a busy day and one email might get overlooked.

We need to try to get this site shut down or at the very least have warnings sent out to as many people as possible.

Carl Bethel Said:
We need to keep pushing hard, it all comes down to getting the word out, more radio, tv, billboards, brochures, messages…

Ron Paul is in it for the long run, we need to support him and support him with everything we can.

Give till it hurts, donate today:
http://www.ronpaul2008fund.com

If we don’t do something now, we’ll all pay for it later, put the ONLY TRUE REPUBLICAN into office.

so why don't you break the link if it's a fraud?????????

Bubba
02-04-2008, 12:30 PM
The person who did this better and should be very afraid of being bubbas cell mate for a very long time.

Bubba need new friend... :D

Thanehand
02-04-2008, 12:53 PM
I saw someone had snapped screenshots - can you please post them in the thread so I can add them to the Ron Paul Timeline?

Thanks!

ChooseLiberty
02-04-2008, 01:00 PM
Here's the info on the TRENDMICRO2008 COM phish.

Looks suspiciously like the same MO.
----------------------------------------------

http://blog.trendmicro.com/fraudulent-trend-micro-2008-%e2%80%99sponsored-link%e2%80%99-ads-found-on-google/

...Apparently, these ads point to the domain name TRENDMICRO2008.COM, a fraudulent Web site that is posing as a legitimate Trend Micro Web site (note that the legitimate domain name of Trend Micro is TRENDMICRO.COM).

According to a Google representative, the fraudulent ad was removed last night. “Luckily, Google Checkout halts any transactions for these fraudulent purchases,” noted Ferguson while analyzing the fake ad.

Since early last year, cyber criminals have been investing on pay-per-click ads in Google to spread their malicious code on the Web. They take advantage of the fact that users treat sponsored results as safe because the latter think that it’s a legitimate business advertising them. They also realize that paying to advertise their malicious or fraudulent Web sites in trusted search engines, as in this particular case, is quite an effective way to trick users into clicking the malicious links. Adding Trend Micro to the equation just makes their social engineering ploy even more convincing.

Users seeking to purchase Trend Micro Internet Security 2008, or any other Trend Micro products, are advised to visit the one and only official Web site of Trend Micro, i.e. http://www.trendmicro.com.

HappyJack
02-04-2008, 01:19 PM
Blimp

Airborn
02-04-2008, 01:21 PM
I saw someone had snapped screenshots - can you please post them in the thread so I can add them to the Ron Paul Timeline?

Thanks!

sure, I will upload them now, do you want the source codes as well?

hillertexas
02-04-2008, 01:26 PM
I saw someone had snapped screenshots - can you please post them in the thread so I can add them to the Ron Paul Timeline?

Thanks!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2204/2241892123_14d627ee9c_o.png
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2046/2242684032_07df123b43_o.png
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2157/2241892177_ed12fc78bf_o.png

HappyJack
02-04-2008, 01:31 PM
I have sent money orders and donated online how do I find out if the money went to RP?

Thanehand
02-04-2008, 01:33 PM
sure, I will upload them now, do you want the source codes as well?

Nah, no need.

Thanehand
02-04-2008, 01:36 PM
[screengrabs]

THANK YOU! And hello fellow Mac user :)

Check out Paparazzi (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/15966)... it makes awesome grabs of web sites without having all that other stuff in there. OS X only though.

Airborn
02-04-2008, 01:37 PM
Someone just posted the Screenshots, here is the source code for the font page and donation page(next post down):
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<input name="item_option_description_4" type="hidden" value="$250 Donation"/>
<input name="item_option_quantity_4" type="hidden" value="1"/>
<input name="item_option_currency_4" type="hidden" value="USD"/>
<input name="item_option_name_5" type="hidden" value="Donation"/>
<input name="item_option_price_5" type="hidden" value="500.0"/>
<input name="item_option_description_5" type="hidden" value="$500 Donation"/>
<input name="item_option_quantity_5" type="hidden" value="1"/>
<input name="item_option_currency_5" type="hidden" value="USD"/>
<input name="item_option_name_6" type="hidden" value="Donation"/>

<input name="item_option_price_6" type="hidden" value="1000.0"/>
<input name="item_option_description_6" type="hidden" value="$1000 Donation"/>
<input name="item_option_quantity_6" type="hidden" value="1"/>
<input name="item_option_currency_6" type="hidden" value="USD"/>
<input name="item_option_name_7" type="hidden" value="Donation"/>
<input name="item_option_price_7" type="hidden" value="2300.0"/>
<input name="item_option_description_7" type="hidden" value="$2300 Donation - This is the maximum an individual may donate."/>
<input name="item_option_quantity_7" type="hidden" value="1"/>
<input name="item_option_currency_7" type="hidden" value="USD"/>

</td>
<td align="left" width="1%">
<p align="center">
<input src="http://www.ronpaul2008fund.com/donate/gc-donate-button.gif?merchant_id=729283636667141&amp;w=117&amp;h=48&amp; style=white&amp;variant=text&amp;loc=en_US" type="image" width="117" height="48"/>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</center>
</div>

</form>

<p align="center">&nbsp;</p>
<p align="center">&nbsp;</p>

</body>

BoBoDuFlachi
02-04-2008, 01:40 PM
Once you go Mac....you never go back :)

Thanks for the link
Not true...I have the same thing for firefox
http://screenshot-program.com/fireshot/

In other news, i cant connect to www.ronpaul2008fund.com

bucfish
02-04-2008, 01:41 PM
bump

Live Free or Die
02-04-2008, 02:36 PM
There is someone using the name Carl Bethel who went by the nick "freemoney4real (http://clearblogs.com/profiles/freemoney4real/)" in various scam ops on the 'net. Here are a few of his postings:

GET $2,100 DOLLARS 4 FREE (http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/91791/GET-%242%2C100-DOLLARS-4-FREE)

http://www.xanga.com/freemoney4real
http://photo.xanga.com/freemoney4real

ChooseLiberty
02-04-2008, 03:44 PM
This guy says fireshot is malware.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/reviews/display/5648



Not true...I have the same thing for firefox
http://screenshot-program.com/fireshot/

In other news, i cant connect to www.ronpaul2008fund.com

Soccrmastr
02-04-2008, 03:51 PM
site seems to be down.. good :)

luvfreedom
02-05-2008, 01:25 PM
Is there any action being taken on this? Was the campaign notified? If the site has been running since Jan 28th how much money could we have lost?

HippyChimp
02-05-2008, 01:38 PM
Is there any action being taken on this? Was the campaign notified? If the site has been running since Jan 28th how much money could we have lost?I filed a complaint at http://ic3.gov

Geronimo
02-05-2008, 07:23 PM
Bumping for more news.