Starting a new Media Outlet

[Nate K]

Here's an idea.. a far-fetched one, but an idea nonetheless.

How much money, power, focus would it take to get a whole new media corporation together that would compete with MSM and pride itself in fair coverage. Would it be able to get off the ground at ALL?

I will be an entrepreneur soon and will have my own corporation. If the desire ever came about with the people, i would certainly fund it.


What say you?

[Richandler]

There are already lots of good media outlets on the internet. Discover them through here and other Ron Paul websites. If we give them enough traffic and our money they will then have power to expand. There is no reason to start something new when there is already structure intacted.

[Nate K]

There are already lots of good media outlets on the internet. Discover them through here and other Ron Paul websites. If we give them enough traffic and our money they will then have power to expand. There is no reason to start something new when there is already structure intacted.

good point i don't know why i bypassed this. well then in that case i'll fund the best one to compete with MSM!

[Airborn]

if any media outlet ever got really big, they would be bought off by the same kind of media we dont want

[RonPaulVolunteer]

if any media outlet ever got really big, they would be bought off by the same kind of media we dont want

Not if it's a non-profit.

[bcreps85]

There are plenty of good media outlets, but the point is they have small audiences and are generally limited to the internet, which only reaches the young population and not really even all of them.

If you really want something to compete with the MSM you need to be able to broadcast on a TV channel. I had actually just thought of the idea earlier, but I have no knowledge about organizing something like this, though I think it is a great idea. On top of this, if we ever became a threat the MSM would try to bribe/buy us out...the business structure and legal doctrines would have to bet set up in a way that it would not be possible, etc etc.

All in all a great idea though...more research should be done into it. I think that we could avoid BS news and just focus on national political news to keep costs down...like the "one stop place for quick unbiased information".

[greendiseaser]

I have been advocating this idea on these forums as well.

We need a TV station, not an internet news corporation.

We need to reach MAIN STREET, not NET STREET. Net street is a back alley in a hamlet, main street is a mega-highway in a metropolis.

The costs of this venture would be in the millions, but the Ron Paul grassroots has already proved it can raise millions upon millions.

A PRIVATE corporation (non profit or not, i am no lawyer) funded with private interest bearing bonds held BY THE GRASSROOTS is a phenomenal idea.

It also is an idea that stands to be a MONEY MAKER if implemented right.
I can think of no better idea than one that

A. GETS THE MESSAGE OUT

B. GETS MONEY TO GET MORE MESSAGE OUT!

If done right, this can't go wrong.

We need business minded folk and LEGAL minded folk around here to rally on this concept.
And we need ALL the people with this idea to come together ... there is a lady on myspace who is a Ron Paul supporter ... Philosophia is her name on there ... and she had pretty well sketched up plans for this at one point ...

so people ARE trying to make it happen.

But we need this to be a coordinated aim of the movement.

And we need the legal buffs to help explain how this corporate structure can best be formed to insure the ongoing integrity of the organization and make it immune to hostile take over!

We also need some legal experts to weigh in on what can and can't be legaly done concerning election laws & media ownership!

[greendiseaser]

Here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1168785&postcount=15) is a post in another thread where i start to rant about this about half way through.

Maybe it inspired someone?

I dunno.

This idea sure doesn't get nearly as much play as i would have hoped.

This idea along with the furtherance of the movement beyond simply Paul's presidential bid are to me the two most imporant aims of this revolution.

1. Stick together, stay at it, grow, organize more, and nominate and elect congressional represenatatives that will vote down & fillabuster unconstitutional legislation. Set our sights on the 2012 presidency much earlier than 2011 ... like NOW would be a good start.

2. Get the message out to the masses using "THEIR" media ... ie the TV. Of course we can start with ads on their channels ... but owning a channel and being able to make it profitable would be the end goal. BTW, getting congressman and senators in the legislature (goal 1) who can deregulate the industry and break down the barriers to entry would help us greatly to achieve goal #2.

:D

[PauliticsPolitics]

unfortunately, people are interested in crazy stuff, not news. seriously, CSPAN is pretty fair. the average person thinks it's boring. PBS aint bad either. It's hard to make something fair that is also loud and colorful with crazy action storis.

[luvthedoc08]

unfortunately, people are interested in crazy stuff, not news. seriously, CSPAN is pretty fair. the average person thinks it's boring. PBS aint bad either. It's hard to make something fair that is also loud and colorful with crazy action storis.

to be honest i dont think cspan or any other channel is "pretty fair". There is so much exciting shit going on that the media doesn't report, it's incredible. Honest reporting of the iraq war alone would be a thrillride of death and govt corruption etc. Think about the stories we could report about the 2.3 tril missing from the pentagon or other shit like that, that just exposes these people for who they really are. That kind of news is REAL journalism and REAL journalism is exciting.

[nodope0695]

I thought Faux News already had that market cornered. :D:D

[luvthedoc08]

I thought Faux News already had that market cornered. :D:D

the market of loud noises and shiny things? ya you got that right

[Drknows]

If you ever get big enough to host debates make sure you give the anointed "top-tier" candidates 7 mins to answer unelectable questions.

[luvthedoc08]

seriously if we actually do start this i'd be more than happy to work there full time.

[greendiseaser]

unfortunately, people are interested in crazy stuff, not news.

Have you watched anything like Monopoly Men (http://video.google.com/url?docid=-7065177340464808778&esrc=sr2&ev=v&len=2842&q=the%2Bmoney%2Bmen&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3 Fdocid%3D-7065177340464808778&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-7065177340464808778%26q%3Dthe%2Bmoney%2Bmen%26tota l%3D3618%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3D search%26plindex%3D1&usg=AL29H21xIBEhIEsmgx7Z94WTsyPuK40_nQ), Money Masters (http://video.google.com/url?docid=-515319560256183936&esrc=sr1&ev=v&len=12919&q=money%2Bmasters&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3 Fdocid%3D-515319560256183936&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-515319560256183936%26q%3Dmoney%2Bmasters%26total%3 D2424%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsea rch%26plindex%3D0&usg=AL29H22OfRkliqG4t0E5sCLLD0u6pTfzaw), Theft By Deception (http://video.google.com/url?docid=7521758492370018023&esrc=sr1&ev=v&len=5271&q=theft%2Bby%2Bdeception&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3 Fdocid%3D7521758492370018023&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D7521758492370018023% 26q%3Dtheft%2Bby%2Bdeception%26total%3D33%26start% 3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex% 3D0&usg=AL29H20rHLapa82bTDpV350_P7f7z6t01Q), Iraq For Sale (http://video.google.com/url?docid=-6621486727392146155&esrc=sr1&ev=v&len=4540&q=iraq%2Bfor%2Bsale&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3 Fdocid%3D-6621486727392146155&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-6621486727392146155%26q%3Diraq%2Bfor%2Bsale%26tota l%3D425%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Ds earch%26plindex%3D0&usg=AL29H2277pe-fF2hAsiVXUSNGAmXmu9eIA), What A Way To Go: Life At The End Of Empire (http://video.google.com/url?docid=-6038629774900147210&esrc=sr2&ev=v&len=114&q=life%2Bat%2Bthe%2Bend%2Bof%2Bempire&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D rDJ6Nrj6y_Y&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-6038629774900147210%26q%3Dlife%2Bat%2Bthe%2Bend%2B of%2Bempire%26total%3D220%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%2 6so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D1&usg=AL29H22d12v9veOaNRvXIggFQ2U6YdzMXw), The End Of Suburbia (http://video.google.com/url?docid=-6306450996928864077&esrc=sr1&ev=v&len=166&q=end%2Bof%2B%2Bsuburbia&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D qHr8OzaloLM&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-6306450996928864077%26q%3Dend%2Bof%2B%2Bsuburbia%2 6total%3D131%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26typ e%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D0&usg=AL29H22pOwsbTskhGxdjylCymUOgeV9lNA) or Endgame (http://video.google.com/url?docid=1070329053600562261&esrc=sr1&ev=v&len=8369&q=endgame&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3 Fdocid%3D1070329053600562261&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D1070329053600562261% 26q%3Dendgame%26total%3D3159%26start%3D0%26num%3D1 0%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D0&usg=AL29H20ZPBoNEmb_enWVQWlY51jWEBfcpQ)?

The truth is PRETTY SENSATIONAL. Hell it is down right C-RAAAA-ZZYYY!

If you want to talk about real attention getters, there are some pretty sensational truth bombs just waiting to be dropped on the masses.

Stuff that would make them scared to sleep at night, and have them calling mommy crying while sucking their thumbs.

Balance that out with real coverage of events that have some relevance ... not britney spears, lacey peterson, what ever jerk has killed his wife this week, etc etc etc ... and you have what i think would be a CASH COW.

Take the idea from my other post i linked, where you throw in REAL CULTURE too, and SHIZAM, you can't go wrong!

Give people QUALITY programing. Music & arts that matter. News that tells it like it REALLY is, and documentaries and commentary that tell the truth about things that would scare the hell out of the masses.

[Opulen]

This is not a bad idea!

[Mark]

Here's an idea.. a far-fetched one, but an idea nonetheless.

How much money, power, focus would it take to get a whole new media corporation together that would compete with MSM and pride itself in fair coverage. Would it be able to get off the ground at ALL?

I will be an entrepreneur soon and will have my own corporation. If the desire ever came about with the people, i would certainly fund it.


What say you?

Been working on that for several weeks.

Have a business name, domain names ect ect. and a few projects in pre-planning and beyond.

One version is even an off shoot of my Non Profit Corporation in terms of a fund raising vehicle in order to
comply with Gov. regulations and restrictions.

The desire AND need is present, however, to do it properly would be expensive.

However, donations to my Non Profit are tax deductible, which might help bring in funding.

No disrespect intended Nate, but people have come on here and spoken big words about funding and giving many times,

but when the opportunities present themselves, there's no longer a peep from them.

So, although it would be laudable for you to fund a new media corporation, it's a lot easier said then actually done.

I'm a bit skeptical anymore I suppose, after seeing a lot of big talkers failing to walk the talk.

And unless you have several thousands of dollars, up to a few million to get the project started,
it's all an exercise in futility to even mention personally funding it.

[luvthedoc08]

Been working on that for several weeks.

Have a business name, domain names ect ect.

One version is even an off shoot of my Non Profit Corporation in terms of a fund raising vehicle in order to
comply with Gov. regulations and restrictions.

The desire AND need is present, however, to do it properly would be expensive.

However, donations to my Non Profit are tax deductible, which might help bring in funding.

No disrespect intended Nate, but people have come on here and spoken big words about funding and giving many times,

but when the opportunities present themselves, there's no longer a peep from them.

So, although it would be laudable for you to fund a new media corporation, it's a lot easier said then actually done.

I'm a bit skeptical anymore I suppose, after seeing a lot of big talkers failing to walk the talk.

You got any work for a 20 year old college kid in los angeles?

[Mark]

You got any work for a 20 year old college kid in los angeles?

Lots of volunteer work. It's not about being paid at this point, it's about bypassing the MSM and getting Ron some coverage.

If it works out, it could become a career, but, it's hard enough to get people around here to chipin a little bit to worthwhile grassroots projects,
much less raise the capital to start a new Media Conglomerate.

[dblee]

this is a pretty great idea....

look, what we need to do is the privately owned corp with dividend bearing shares sold to grassroots supporters..

there would be investment incentive beyond just donating to a chip-in.

If 100,000 supporters each bought 1 share at 100 dollars a piece that would be 100,000,000 dollars.

The key would be finding a trustworthy CEO and board of directors. We'd need someone with previous media experience and connections. We could solicit venture capital as well if we could come up with a viable and profitable business model.

[newmedia4ron]

a blog could be considered media
the problem is getting the MSM size audience

Look at what Tom Green has done, his (new) talk show was only on the internet but is now simulcast on TV in some markets.
http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2008/01/greens-day-toms.html

Hell look at Alex Jones :rolleyes:. He's on terrestrial radio and TV (although he is an entertainer like Rush Limbaugh not a journalist, we don't need any more entertainers to form our opinions for us)

Eventually people will regularly broadcast internet video (APPLE TV?) on their TVs. So if you make a daily, professional looking NEWS vidcast on blip.tv and get it popular on the internet NOW, thousands of people could be watching it on their TVs a couple of years from now.

To get the audience of millions is probably impossible without a lot of money, but independent media looks like it can compete once the TV and online video merge.
If you have decent lighting, a decent camera, a decent anchor, you can start right now. Put your show on itunes.

here are good examples of what maybe you are looking for:
http://www.innworldreport.net/
http://www.gregpalast.com/

[ChooseLiberty]

FCC may have some openings for low power terrestrial radio stations.

Don't know the current status of this, but it's worth looking into.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nyBRDaD2cQ

[Ready2Revolt]

If you ever get big enough to host debates make sure you give the anointed "top-tier" candidates 7 mins to answer unelectable questions.

I would pay to be a moderator at a debate, even a reporter.

To add something to the discussion. Who would we hire to report? Pat B.? Alex Jones? I would suggest staying away from people who are connected to issues and agendas to appear not biased.

I started a thread on this after the last debate, I'm glad to see it pick up some traction.

[newmedia4ron]

FCC may have some openings for low power terrestrial radio stations.

Don't know the current status of this, but it's worth looking into.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nyBRDaD2cQ

terrestrial radio will soon be dead. not a good investment.

[AlexMerced]

Wait till fter the 2008 election season, I'm all for helping set up a 3rd party/independant politics neews station

[garrettwombat]

can i be one of your correspondents?

[ChooseLiberty]

LOL. Not gonna happen. But funny.


terrestrial radio will soon be dead. not a good investment.

[newmedia4ron]

LOL. Not gonna happen. But funny.

Do you really think Americans will listen to terrestrial radio in their car when they will be able to play internet radio or more likely their favorite podcasts.
FREE, ON DEMAND, UNREGULATED, COMMERCIAL LESS CONTENT.

the ipod generation won't settle for anything less

[NeoRayden]

Note for Nate:

If there is really no specific reason for you to become an artifical entity of the state, then I would highly suggest that you institute a CL Trust.

You can find out more info about these here:

http://www.originalintent.org/edu/trusts.php

They can help protect your assest a little better and keep your company information private. Furthermore if you do go with a corp structure then I would suggest that you protect your assests by owning your shares through a CL Trust. A trust can own shares in a corp. but if there were a lawsuit or the government came in your private assets could not be touched.

[NeoRayden]

Do you really think Americans will listen to terrestrial radio in their car when they will be able to play internet radio or more likely their favorite podcasts.
FREE, ON DEMAND, UNREGULATED, COMMERCIAL LESS CONTENT.

the ipod generation won't settle for anything less



I'm 25 and IPods suck. Apple Blows!

[LBT]

We already have a media outlet - the Internet!

Over the next 10 years the Internet will dominate lamestream media. Lamestream media's job will become reporting on the Internet.

Sites like lewrockwell.com will become significant content producers. Not just articles but audio and video.

Lamestream media is dying.....get your popcorn out and enjoy the show.

[ST0PandL00K]

http://therealnews.com/web/index.php

These guys are it! They hope to be in 50 million homes by years end

[dblee]

http://therealnews.com/web/index.php

These guys are it! They hope to be in 50 million homes by years end

wow! we need to pump these guys, get involved and help however we can!

[tribute_13]

wow! we need to pump these guys, get involved and help however we can!

We need to get these guys to realize how many people want change in America and how they are potential superpowers against MSM. We need to do something extensive to capture their attention. I'm pretty sure one individual email is going to persuade them to do something about it. We can try to use the same tactics as CNN.com or foxnews.com uses.

Put polls on the side, only showing Ron Paul and one other candidate just like all the polls on the MSM sites are either Romney or McCain. That would get more people to remember Paul. Or show Ron Paul WITH the other candidates in the delegate count unlike Yahoo! and MSNBC.

Maybe institute a flash player that shows all the candidates views, trashing the other candidates. I saw CNN's coverage on Ron Paul's view on abortion only that he was against Roe V. Wade, not that he opposed federal involvement but that he wanted to overturn it. Not only are they excluding him, but they are warping his views and beliefs!

[Nic4Truth]

Hubby and I would like to be a part of this!

[mavtek]

Funny, via PM I've been discussing with the Mods on this for a while. They are contemplating whether or not Liberty Forest should be a corp or a PAC. I'm hoping they incorporate and go public so they and we can invest and buy up radio stations, newspapers, and eventually TV.

[MalcolmGandi]

Two words: amateur radio. You can start broadcasting in a 20 mile radius for something like 200 bucks.

[tribute_13]

Two words: amateur radio. You can start broadcasting in a 20 mile radius for something like 200 bucks.

Yeah! AM radio, even though a smaller audience, if bought in each precinct would be a cheap and effective way of grabbing the Senior demographic AND to get more attention at once instead of going door to door.

[mavtek]

Two words: amateur radio. You can start broadcasting in a 20 mile radius for something like 200 bucks.

If we incorporate we can just buy whole stations with existing Audiences.

[Agent CSL]

I really want to get involved in a MSM substitute, especially if it's volunteer work. The problem is 100% of people want money.... Money talks, 18 year old unemployed girl walks.