New Bill: The End of America (if it can get worse)

[Birdlady]

School Safety and Law Enforcement Improvement Act is one of the WORST bills I have ever read. Ron from New York called into Alex Jones about this today and my husband did a quick search for it.

You can read about it here. I warn you, you better be sitting down for this. If you have children in the public training camps, I mean schools, you need to get them out of there NOW!
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200708/080207b.html

[freelance]

I'm afraid I may have even worse news for you. Rumor has it that they are going to change the bill number right after they return from their recess. They'll probably try to ram it through without us even knowing about it.

[Birdlady]

Yeah I know. It has no bill number right now as far as I understand...People probably won't even read it.

[constituent]

do they ever?

best part... if you try to bring it up before congress does... that'll mean you're a wack job conspiracy theorist...

but try anyway... hit the 'liberal' blogs

alternet's probably the best for that

and rawstory (though not liberal)

[1000-points-of-fright]

The end of America? I think you're being a bit alarmist. Other than unnecessary federal programs and lots more money being spent, it's not awful. Not like the Patriot Act or declaring Martial Law.

I have no problem allowing cops and retired cops to carry their guns concealed across state lines. Hell, anyone should be able to do that.

I think nailing people for terrorism hoaxes and making them pay for any law and rescue services that are dispatched is good. Just like making mountain climbers who insist on climbing during snow storms pay for their rescue.

It's not good and certainly not necessary, but it's not the most anti-constitutional bill ever proposed. Definitely not the end of America.

[Birdlady]

You definitely didn't read what I read then.

NM. Now I know why you don't understand it. You think the "terrorists" are Arabs running around in turbans. When in reality it's Americans that don't go along with their police state.


1. Teaching our kids to be secret police
This title allows existing Justice Department grants to now be used for tip lines, surveillance equipment, and capital improvements to schools. It increases authorized federal funding to ease the burden on local school districts for implementing security enhancements. These improvements will make our elementary and secondary schools safer by funding much-needed infrastructure improvements, and they will enable students to report potentially dangerous situations to school administrators before they occur.
2. Thought crimes
(4)clarifies that threatening communications are punishable under federal law even if they are directed at an organization rather than a natural person. From what I understand if you say, "Man, I hate the government" they could charge you under that new law.

[ShaneC]

Birdlady,

I fail to see the grievous harm caused by this proposal. To me, most of it looks like wasteful spending and nothing more.

What am I missing? (I just skimmed it)


edit: apparently I replied 7min too late.

I'll re-read it later and see if I can get that out of it.

[1000-points-of-fright]

NM. Now I know why you don't understand it. You think the "terrorists" are Arabs running around in turbans. When in reality it's Americans that don't go along with their police state.

Was this was directed at me? If so, don't presume to know what I do or do not understand or what I think or anything about me. For all you know, I AM an Arab.

You're right. There are absolutely no Arab terrorists. They're actually the Gnomes of Zurich implementing their scheme to hoard all the money in the world.

FYI smarty pants, Arabs don't wear turbans. Sikhs wear turbans and they're Indian.

[constituent]

incrementalism....

all the laws cause harm.

not to mention the changes hidden in bills to come. directives. e.o.s

[1000-points-of-fright]

incrementalism....

all the laws cause harm.

not to mention the changes hidden in bills to come. directives. e.o.s

I'm with you there. My problem is with the hyperbole of this thread's title. It CAN get worse (I've been there 3 times: Martial law, socialist "democracy" and military dictatorship) but this bill will not fast forward us the end of the nation as we know it.

Perhaps "New Bill: The continuing decline of America" would have been more appropriate.;)

[ShaneC]

1,000 -

If you don't mind me asking, where are you from?

[1000-points-of-fright]

Born in the Philippines under Ferdinand Marcos, lived in Singapore under Lee Kuan Yew and his People's Action party, lived in Chile under General Augusto Pinochet.

[ShaneC]

Born in the Philippines under Ferdinand Marcos, lived in Singapore under Lee Kuan Yew and his People's Action party, lived in Chile under General Augusto Pinochet.

I must admit, none of that means anything to me. :(

If you can, would, have, or get the chance, please, write some sort of bio on your life and what you saw.

It may be able to help so many people who, like me, aren't really sure what you mean, nor truly know the world outside of US Media.

[1000-points-of-fright]

Here are some links to get you started.

Ferdinand Marcos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Marcos)

Lee Kuan Yew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew). Also, a great 1993 Wired article by William Gibson (http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~afarrell/things/singapore.html) which really describes what it was like to live in Singapore at the end of the last century.

Augusto Pinochet (http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/pinochet.html)