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AlexMerced
02-03-2008, 01:05 PM
Hey Guys,

We have grown and we still growing, and we must continue to fund and spread the word about Ron paul so he continue to keep our movement at the forefront of world events. We must reamain optimistic yet focus on the task at hand on two big things.

1) Funding and Supporting Liberty Candidates all over this nation

2) Continue building the decentralize grassroots structure we have going, and build up media outlets such as magazines and TV and Radio pressence to be ready for 2010.

As you can tell the first task is much more "NOW" and requires our current attention, which is why the current http://www.LibertyWarChest.com Fundraiser is to raise funds for Ron Paul and other congressional candidates.

Although, we must have a vision of what our mission is beyond the 2008 election season. So I want to assure you all I will be using http://www.libertywarchest.com to put together the fundraiser during these next two years to help build our infrastrucre whether it to help fund Liberty media efforts, conventions, and anything else to help grow the decentralized network of this movement.


So, please help in this effort and sign up @ LibertyWarChest.com


andalso support other key components to our current Grassroots infrastructure.


http://www.freeople.com
http://www.libertyforest.com
http://libertyia.ning.com
http://www.paulcongress.com
http://www.libertycongress.org
http://www.mercedforfreedom.com


Ron Paul for the long haul, Ron Paul for Life

AlexMerced
02-03-2008, 01:25 PM
this is important

Oyate
02-03-2008, 01:28 PM
OK, I'll add a few ideas. The first is we also have to become our own leadership. We're doing pretty good with the GOP becoming precinct leaders and delegates......

MayTheRonBeWithYou
02-03-2008, 01:29 PM
The main thing is, you need a central figure to rally around like Ron Paul. Otherwise, you are simply doing the same thing the libertarian party has been doing forever.

AlexMerced
02-03-2008, 01:31 PM
The main thing is, you need a central figure to rally around like Ron Paul. Otherwise, you are simply doing the same thing the libertarian party has been doing forever.

We'd still be rallying around Ron Paul, and this is not a party, that's where the libertarians shot themselves in the foot. By establishing a party your create an invisible wall people don't want to cross. If we approach as individuals who believe in Liberty, despite what partty you choose to be in. People will be willing to cross over.

Oyate
02-03-2008, 01:31 PM
I've also been thinking the RPR will just be the R after elections. That gives us a great deal of mobility. If we can transcend partisan politics as the R3VOlUTION we'll be on the mark.

AlexMerced
02-03-2008, 01:33 PM
We are the Freedom Movement, plain and simple

Oyate
02-03-2008, 01:33 PM
The main thing is, you need a central figure to rally around like Ron Paul. Otherwise, you are simply doing the same thing the libertarian party has been doing forever.

Disagree. Our distributed nature is our greatest asset. Besides, we have the scholars (including Ron Paul) who are highly specialized in every aspect of the movement. We can aggregate around them.

AlexMerced
02-03-2008, 01:35 PM
The point is we need to entrench ourselves in thee grander movement, and have a clear vision, yet stay decetralized

MayTheRonBeWithYou
02-03-2008, 01:35 PM
BTW, I'm not arguing for a new party soon. Maybe in a few years. Maybe not. What I am arguing for is an independent run by Ron this year to keep attracting people to our movement.

DeadtoSin
02-03-2008, 01:36 PM
I think that there should be a level or organization within the Revolution. And in fact, I'm already starting to see some of that come up. To be part of a party though....that restricts your votes quite a bit. Even though I disagree with the Democrats on a lot of issues, it wouldn't hurt for them to have a movement of liberty in their party as well.

Shink
02-03-2008, 01:38 PM
BTW, I'm not arguing for a new party soon. Maybe in a few years. Maybe not. What I am arguing for is an independent run by Ron this year to keep attracting people to our movement.

Why don't you post anything else? I am not one of those that attack you for wanting an independent run, but I am just utterly tired of that being your only message across so many posts and threads.

Oyate
02-03-2008, 01:39 PM
Now I suppose we might factor in the economic future. I see the setup as such:

Hard times are coming to mainstream America. Harder times than they've ever imagined. Opposition will try to play the terror thing to keep everybody inline but we'll have the only real explanation for what's happening and what to do about it.

This could get hairy. The movement could find itself in the direct action business, channeling frustration into positive channels. And we're not prepared for this scenario.

Running mass actions requires an organized cadre of marshals and officers (in the Dr. King and successive hippy models) not to end in disaster.

Dave Pedersen
02-03-2008, 01:44 PM
Look at what has worked among this decentralized movement so far. Money bombs and now we see very good progress in the delegate counts nationwide. I think goals when mapped out where the incremental progress can be accurately measured and represented along with giving modest credit to new participants is the common denominator of both these ventures and explains why they are working.

Kudos to HQ for the nationwide widgets. They work.

MayTheRonBeWithYou
02-03-2008, 01:45 PM
Why don't you post anything else? I am not one of those that attack you for wanting an independent run, but I am just utterly tired of that being your only message across so many posts and threads.

That's not true. Only a small fraction of my posts are about an indy run. But the message is catching on. ;)

Stay tuned after Super Tuesday and you will see a huge shift on this board. Mark my words.

Meanwhile, we should be doing everything we can to do well on Super Tuesday, because it helps Ron either way.

Staynsane
02-03-2008, 01:46 PM
Rally around ourselves, our new found freedom and ideals, our rights

Why start talking about a new candidate? We are actually the PEOPLE with the CAUSE supporting the CANDIDATE, we are not supporting the CANDIDATE because supports the PEOPLE with the CAUSE.

This is an awakening, and I hope more on this forum feel they will be heard long after Ron Paul is put in office, or not.

Oyate
02-03-2008, 01:48 PM
The point is we need to entrench ourselves in thee grander movement, and have a clear vision, yet stay decetralized

We are entrenched in the greater movement. We are the greater movement. RPR had a ready base of support nationally and we all basically knew each other from previous projects. These networks will remain intact and I expect new ones to evolve.

Ex Post Facto
02-03-2008, 01:57 PM
I'm with you 100% on the concept. It is easier to be part of an association yet continue on with your main parties. Put principles above party.

I signed up on that site.

raystone
02-03-2008, 02:09 PM
alexmerced- I don't think anyone disagrees that the movement will continue...

however, by outlining any kind of a plan, even your general 2 points, it's my opinion you are putting the cart before horse...

the movement first needs to decide on a new vehicle and then move the movement there....to avoid splintering... for example did you know this past Friday there was a nationwide conference call to discuss the progression of the revolution, complete with background preparation for a indy run, funding other RP Republican candidates, establishing physical regional offices based on meetups, websites, etc.

maybe everyone moves seamlessly to libertyforest.com, maybe some group comes up with a new killer ap for the movement, Refocusing is going to be a tough one. Ironically, though uniting Ron Paul Revolution members provides the best future for our country, the members resist grouping with their strong individualistic nature.

Rede
02-03-2008, 02:12 PM
The main thing is, you need a central figure to rally around like Ron Paul.

Well, followers do.

It should be the policies, not the person, that you're voting for. That's what is so special about Ron Paul: he believes in the policies and has a record that shows it. We need to promote liberty-minded politicians in established parties so that those ideas become part of the mainstream in America. It won't happen overnight, but with some focus on the long-term goals (ie. not ruining everything with a third party run) I think the freedom movement will pick up a great deal of steam in the face of the patriot act, government overspending, and poor foreign policy. This is a great start, but it is only the beginning.

Dr Paul mentioned on MTV yesterday that a good number of Republicans in Congress are not even running again. The goal should be to fill those seats with Ron Paul Republicans and start a revolution within the party from the ground-up. I hope we can start it from the top-down at the same time, but there is so much fighting against us. If we don't succeed this has still been a great success but we should not be discouraged. We simply need to start looking at making incremental gains, one seat at a time.

I love the ideas in this post. Thanks to Alex for promoting it.

AlexMerced
02-03-2008, 02:19 PM
1) as far as fundraising goes join LibertyWarChest.com

2) As far as a Killer App, look foward to Freeople.com

3) plus I still run http://libertyia.ning.com

AlexMerced
02-03-2008, 02:34 PM
http://www.mercedforfreedom.com tell your friends who havn't joined the movment about mys site I have plenty of media to convince them to join.

ike
02-03-2008, 02:38 PM
I think a good goal for 2010 would be to elect AT LEAST one member of Congress from each of the 50 states.

AlexMerced
02-03-2008, 02:44 PM
just got to keep people informed and mobilize fundraisers for all the candidates which is the purpose of LibertyWarChest.com to help fund all of them at the same time. It's easier for eeveryone to go to one place and one mailing list instead of 100s of fundraiser with 100s of mailing lists.

It's simple, and can be infected if we can get everyone signed up

AlexMerced
02-03-2008, 03:11 PM
http://www.paulcongress.com & http://www.libertycongress.org

Nate K
02-03-2008, 03:16 PM
alexmerced- I don't think anyone disagrees that the movement will continue...

however, by outlining any kind of a plan, even your general 2 points, it's my opinion you are putting the cart before horse...

the movement first needs to decide on a new vehicle and then move the movement there....to avoid splintering... for example did you know this past Friday there was a nationwide conference call to discuss the progression of the revolution, complete with background preparation for a indy run, funding other RP Republican candidates, establishing physical regional offices based on meetups, websites, etc.

maybe everyone moves seamlessly to libertyforest.com, maybe some group comes up with a new killer ap for the movement, Refocusing is going to be a tough one. Ironically, though uniting Ron Paul Revolution members provides the best future for our country, the members resist grouping with their strong individualistic nature.
i agree. i think at some point the largest organization will rise and it would be in others' best interest for the remaining sects to unite under one.

the question is, when do we decide which organization to unite under?

AlexMerced
02-03-2008, 03:41 PM
i agree. i think at some point the largest organization will rise and it would be in others' best interest for the remaining sects to unite under one.

the question is, when do we decide which organization to unite under?

I doubt we'll ever truly get everyone in one vehicle, but we need to stay connected among these vehicle. There will probably be some larger ones to surface such as the Libertarian and Constitution parties, the Liberty PAC, many other non-profits.

Still good tobe on the list, cause I know many of us will be spreading the message and taking on many products, and it's always good to be informed.

so...

http://www.libertywarchest.com

raystone
02-03-2008, 05:02 PM
I doubt we'll ever truly get everyone in one vehicle, but we need to stay connected among these vehicle. There will probably be some larger ones to surface such as the Libertarian and Constitution parties, the Liberty PAC, many other non-profits.

Still good tobe on the list, cause I know many of us will be spreading the message and taking on many products, and it's always good to be informed.

so...

http://www.libertywarchest.com


your jumping ahead again with naming Liberatarian & Constitution parties as the potential vehicles... so far, according to polls in RPF, taking over the Republican party is by far the most popular choice vs. a 3rd party interest.

AlexMerced
02-03-2008, 05:45 PM
your jumping ahead again with naming Liberatarian & Constitution parties as the potential vehicles... so far, according to polls in RPF, taking over the Republican party is by far the most popular choice vs. a 3rd party interest.

I agree, I meant they will be some of the bigger vehicles people will go into. I endrose the GOP takeover, that is what I'll be doing, but I know some people are set here on going 3rd party. Although this campaign has created a union among the tird parties and we should keep it going.

AlexMerced
02-03-2008, 10:10 PM
bump

Michigan11
02-03-2008, 10:20 PM
Hey Guys,

We have grown and we still growing, and we must continue to fund and spread the word about Ron paul so he continue to keep our movement at the forefront of world events. We must reamain optimistic yet focus on the task at hand on two big things.

1) Funding and Supporting Liberty Candidates all over this nation

2) Continue building the decentralize grassroots structure we have going, and build up media outlets such as magazines and TV and Radio pressence to be ready for 2010.

As you can tell the first task is much more "NOW" and requires our current attention, which is why the current http://www.LibertyWarChest.com Fundraiser is to raise funds for Ron Paul and other congressional candidates.

Although, we must have a vision of what our mission is beyond the 2008 election season. So I want to assure you all I will be using http://www.libertywarchest.com to put together the fundraiser during these next two years to help build our infrastrucre whether it to help fund Liberty media efforts, conventions, and anything else to help grow the decentralized network of this movement.


So, please help in this effort and sign up @ LibertyWarChest.com


andalso support other key components to our current Grassroots infrastructure.


http://www.freeople.com
http://www.libertyforest.com
http://libertyia.ning.com
http://www.paulcongress.com
http://www.libertycongress.org
http://www.mercedforfreedom.com


Ron Paul for the long haul, Ron Paul for Life

Just Signed up!