****Why Did Paul Vote Against This?****

[Paul10]

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[Azprint]

Edit:nvm.

[Danny Molina]

There was probably some extra ridiculous bells and whistles attached to it.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Posse Comitatus?

[brandon]

It's not the job of the military to patrol the border

[specsaregood]

Maybe this would shed some light:
http://capwiz.com/taxpayer/vote.xc/?votenum=228&chamber=H&congress=1051&voteid=5640021&state=US


06/23/1997 -- Like a zombie, the B-2 Stealth Bomber program keeps trying to come back to life to suck more taxpayer dollars. Each B-2 aircraft costs more than its weight in gold. Originally designed at the height of the Cold War, its mission was to help the U.S. win a protracted nuclear war. The B-2 was killed in 1992 and Congress has capped the program at 21 planes with a maximum cost of $44 billion for those planes. The Air Force does not want any more B-2s. But B-2 proponents want nine additional bombers, which the Congressional Budget Office says would cost $27 billion to build and operate over 20 years. The Fiscal 1998 Defense Authorization bill (H.R. 1119) would have authorized $331 million for advance procurement of more B-2s beyond the 21 aircraft previously authorized. Reps. Ronald V. Dellums (D-CA), John Kasich (R-OH), and Mark Foley (R-FL) offered an amendment to cut the $331 million and redirect the funds to purchase equipment for the National Guard and Reserve. The amendment also prohibits use of other funds for advance procurement of additional B-2s. On June 23, the House rejected the amendment, 209-216. YES is the pro-taxpayer vote.

Ron Paul voted for the above Amendment (the pro-taxpayer vote). The Amendment failed and Ron Paul voted against the overall bill.

[Myerz]

It's not the job of the military to patrol the border

Better here then some where else.

How about the National Guard......." Guard our Nation"????

But yes, probably some other crap buried in it that was wasting the american people's money.

[skeryl]

Apart from every american paying an additional tax of $135, it also talks about enforcing the real ID act. which is the start of a national ID

Section 1109 -
Finds that the federal government should set standards for the issuance of birth certificates and sources of identification, such as driver's licenses.
Directs the Secretary to establish a program to make grants to states to prevent terrorists and others from fraudulently obtaining and using state-issued identification cards and to develop more secure state-issued documents to be used for official federal purposes. Sets priorities in awarding grants. Prohibits the Secretary from using sums made available for any other DHS grant program to provide funding for expenses related to the REAL ID Act of 2005. Authorizes appropriations for FY2008-FY2010.


http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1684&tab=summary

[brandon]

Better here then some where else.

How about the National Guard......." Guard our Nation"????

But yes, probably some other crap buried in it that was wasting the american people's money.

It's the law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

[specsaregood]

But yes, probably some other crap buried in it that was wasting the american people's money.

At least that is one reason as I posted above. The Bill had a provision to buy $331 million of B-2 bombers that the air force doesn't even want. The Amendment to remove this provision failed (ron paul voted to remove it).

If the air force doesn't even want the plane, who wants us to buy more of them? The plane manufacturers maybe?

[Shinerxx]

Actually when I consult my pocket constitution I got from the Victoria, Texas Ron Paul rally it is obvious why Dr. No voted 'Nay'.

Article 2 Section 2

The President shall be Commander and Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States and of the Militia of the several States...he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Depatments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices.

This amendment is unconstitutional because it gives part of the responsibility of the President to the Secretary of Defence whom by the Constitution can only provide the President with his or her opinion.

[No1ButPaul08]

Maybe because it was sponsored by Traficant. I forget the story, but he had to resign his house seat because he was headed for jail

Edit from wiki: Traficant was expelled after being convicted of taking bribes, filing false tax returns, racketeering, and forcing his aides to perform chores at his farm in Ohio and on his houseboat in Washington, D.C

Also from wiki: In addition to his tirades on the House floor and his independent tack, he was also known for his garish clothes and ill-fitting toupee[4] and his loathing of NAFTA, the CIA, the FBI and the IRS; which is probably why they sent him to prison.

[pacelli]

There's an awful lot of military appropriations in this , check it out:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=105_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ85.105

[ConstitutionGal]

Posse Comitatus was designed to keep our military from being used against our citizens. To place them on our borders to repel INVADERS (which is exactly what illegal border crossers actually are) does not violate the act today any more than it was to use our troops to repel Japanese invaders in the Alutians during WWII.

[nate895]

It's not the job of the military to patrol the border

I'd rather set it up there than protecting Iraqi borders.

[Kregener]

Did you READ the entire 781 pages of this monstrosity?

You can bet Ron Paul did.

It grew the government at the expense of the people and their liberty.

Next question.