Anyone here a Mason?

[DianaJ]

Is this true?



That which we must say to the crowd is — we worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition... To you, Sovereign Grand Inspector Generals, we say this; that you may repeat it to brothers of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees—The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine.

Albert Pike, quoted by Brian Garlin in Global Checkmate (New Zealand, 1983), and see Lady Queensborough, Occult Theocracy, Volume 1, 1933.

[FreeTraveler]

No, I'm not... but do you really think a Mason will come here and say, "oh, yeah, we're busted now, we've kept the secret forever, but since you asked on a public forum, I'm gonna fess up and let you in on our ways." ??

[DianaJ]

No, I'm not... but do you really think a Mason will come here and say, "oh, yeah, we're busted now, we've kept the secret forever, but since you asked on a public forum, I'm gonna fess up and let you in on our ways." ??

True, though maybe a "friend of a friend" would come on here and confirm. :)

[Thomas Paine]

Only two presidents in our nation's history were not Masons: Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy.

[Redcard]

There's a reason why we keep secrets.

All in all, though, I'll summarize like this. It's no more a world controlling scheme than a weekly poker game is a Las Vegas Casino

[DianaJ]

There's a reason why we keep secrets.

All in all, though, I'll summarize like this. It's no more a world controlling scheme than a weekly poker game is a Las Vegas Casino

What degree are you?

[heath.whiteaker]

Fellowcraft here.

[Redcard]

What degree are you?

That's a question I'd rather not answer.

[DianaJ]

Fellowcraft here.

So you're just a puppet then, huh?


Pike, echoing Steinmetz, Hall, Perkins and all the other high-level Masonic authorities, goes so far as to mock and disparage lower-level Masons, especially those who have earned only the first three degrees ("the Blue degrees"). After acknowledging that the lower-level brethren are "intentionally misled," he goes on to say that it is not intended that the initiate understand the symbols and deepest secrets of the Order, but worse, the Masonic Lodge's rituals and lectures are designed so that the lower-level Masons shall imagine he does understand them! It is only at a later time, as he has moved up the ladder of degrees, that the purposely dumbed down Mason discovers he's been had, that he's been played for a fool. In other words, he's been hoodwinked!

So, in effect, Masons are lied to, tricked, made fun of, and intentionally led astray, with only a little knowledge added to their brain reservoirs as they advance up the chain. Meanwhile, the poor, pitiful souls imagine they are really in on all the superduper secrets of the Craft. Their Masonic superiors play them all for suckers.

P.T. Barnum, of Ringling Brothers, Barnum & Bailey Circus fame, surely was right when he exclaimed, "There's a sucker born every minute."

For those who don't know what "hoodwinked" means, it's a masonic term:

Hoodwinked! Pity the poor, foolish man who becomes a Freemason! In the very first degree ritual, that of Entered Apprentice, a blindfold is put over his eyes, and a cable-tow is hung around his neck. Symbolically, the dumb candidate is "HOODWINKED." Little does he know that his superiors intentionally set out to deceive the candidate and they contrive their deceit through all the ritual degrees up to and including the 33rd.



That's a question I'd rather not answer.

OK...

[heath.whiteaker]

So you're just a puppet then, huh?

May have been at one time..... however I left about 2 years ago when I found out a few other things. But we have all been puppets at one time or another. I joined the Masonic lodge because of my grand-father.

[DianaJ]

May have been at one time..... however I left about 2 years ago when I found out a few other things. But we have all been puppets at one time or another. I joined the Masonic lodge because of my grand-father.

Congrats. I don't see why there is a need for secret organizations, and why people permit them to happen. The only "surprises" I want in my life pertain to birthday parties.

[nate895]

Only two presidents in our nation's history were not Masons: Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy.

Ronald Reagan wasn't either (at least I don't think). Maybe Masons aren't half-bad, seeing as a non-Mason was our worst.

[Phantom]

http://freemasonrywatch.org/ (http://freemasonrywatch.org/)

[pacelli]

Is this true?

This quote is from a 1925 reprint of Albert Pike's "Morals & Dogma", page 102. This book is given to all 33rd degree Masons:


The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is not a black god, but the negation of God. The Devil is the personification of Atheism or Idolatry.

For the Initiates, this is not a Person, but a Force, created for good, but which may serve for evil. It is the instrument of Liberty or Free Will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythologic and horned form of the God PAN; thence came the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the Light-bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend."

[heath.whiteaker]

even Muslims know the truth about the Masonic Lodge and Shriners.... When I was speaking to a woman about the masons. She said what better way to hide than by doing good deeds and helping people. When I got to thinking about it I started digging deeper. I can't mention a lot of what I found but just like Ron Paul says..... the information is out there.... all you have to do is read it.

[angelatc]

There's a reason why we keep secrets.

All in all, though, I'll summarize like this. It's no more a world controlling scheme than a weekly poker game is a Las Vegas Casino

I will second that. Although obviously I am not a Mason, by virtue of my sex. If they're worshipping Lucifer, they keep that to themselves until the higher ranks I think.

I'd rather be a Shriner. They get the funny hats.

[DianaJ]

This quote is from a 1925 reprint of Albert Pike's "Morals & Dogma", page 102. This book is given to all 33rd degree Masons:

You forgot to include the following, which was just after your quote:


"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"

[DianaJ]

I will second that. Although obviously I am not a Mason, by virtue of my sex. If they're worshipping Lucifer, they keep that to themselves until the higher ranks I think.

I'd rather be a Shriner. They get the funny hats.

Don't forget those tiny cars.

[heath.whiteaker]

to be a shriner you have to reach at least 33rd degree in the Blue Lodge.

[nayjevin]

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[asgardshill]

(Posted 20 minutes ago but the RPF server took a dump)


I will second that. Although obviously I am not a Mason, by virtue of my sex. If they're worshipping Lucifer, they keep that to themselves until the higher ranks I think.

I'd rather be a Shriner. They get the funny hats.

Every Shriner is a Mason. (But not every Mason is a Shriner). From a poster whose father was WM of the lodge in town.

[Roxi]

my dad is a shriner, and a mason. they aren't all bad people. with any large group of people, and especially with "secret clubs" there is going to be a substantial amount of evil. But a lot of men become masons because they truly want to belong to something and do good. The shriners do amazing things for kids. I have watched my dad take groups of kids with no homes, or parents to the fair, the circus, and any other family friendly event in missouri. he spends a lot of money out of his own pocket to help them. my mom and a group of shriners wives had a special video game made for the shrine hospital in St Louis that you can play by blinking, since a lot of kids in there can't use their hands. just because someone is a shriner or a mason doesn't make them evil. But im sure the farther back you go in history the bigger the presence of it within the group.

[heath.whiteaker]

my dad is a shriner, and a mason. they aren't all bad people. with any large group of people, and especially with "secret clubs" there is going to be a substantial amount of evil. But a lot of men become masons because they truly want to belong to something and do good. The shriners do amazing things for kids. I have watched my dad take groups of kids with no homes, or parents to the fair, the circus, and any other family friendly event in missouri. he spends a lot of money out of his own pocket to help them. my mom and a group of shriners wives had a special video game made for the shrine hospital in St Louis that you can play by blinking, since a lot of kids in there can't use their hands. just because someone is a shriner or a mason doesn't make them evil. But im sure the farther back you go in history the bigger the presence of it within the group.

what better way to hide the truth than by doing good. Albert Pike brought the masons back where they were to be. In George Washington's time it was a different lodge... however it has been brought back to where it was suppose to be.

[Naraku]

Well, it should be noted that very early on in American Masonry that members of the former Illuminati had joined the lodges and it's quite possible they gained significant influence and ultimately changed the doctrines of Masonry around. Whether some of that influence remains I can't be sure. It probably remains in a significant amount of Masonic lodges, though not all, maybe not even a majority.

[UK4Paul]

Like any organizations, there's good and bad.

I don't think the Masons possess any secrets that aren't available somewhere on the Internet if you look hard enough.

On the other hand, I do think Masonry (and other secret societies) can be used as tools for planning things in secret.

For example, a careful look at the French Revolution will show that Masonry had a hand in it. To me, this is understandable, because if you're planning something like that, it helps when your friends have sworn an oath of secrecy.

So I don't think Masonry contains any deep "secrets" that can't be found in books and on the Internet. But I do think it has been used as a kind of secret networking system - especially when secrecy is a most important component.

Incidentally, I'm not a Mason and am "neutral" towards them. I used to be anti-Mason, but after having studyed their history, I think they're more a product of the times.

For instance, when the Roman Catholic Church and the Papacy was the dominant force, it was kind of necessary for dissenters to go "underground" - which explains some of the meaning of the degrees.

Since that time, they are no longer hidden, but still retain the vestiges of that secrecy that was so necessary. This is also why I think their organization served as useful tools in events such as the French Revolution (although you won't read such things in the school textbooks). When you have a big secret such as planning a revolution, it helps to know you have friends who will keep that secret.

Personally, the reason I would never become a Mason myself is I don't agree with swearing allegiance to something on pain of having my tongue or various body members ripped out (whether serious or not)

I've become quite attached to my body members. :)

[DianaJ]

Like any organizations, there's good and bad.

I don't think the Masons possess any secrets that aren't available somewhere on the Internet if you look hard enough.

On the other hand, I do think Masonry (and other secret societies) can be used as tools for planning things in secret.

For example, a careful look at the French Revolution will show that Masonry had a hand in it. To me, this is understandable, because if you're planning something like that, it helps when your friends have sworn an oath of secrecy.

So I don't think Masonry contains any deep "secrets" that can't be found in books and on the Internet. But I do think it has been used as a kind of secret networking system - especially when secrecy is a most important component.

Incidentally, I'm not a Mason and am "neutral" towards them. I used to be anti-Mason, but after having studyed their history, I think they're more a product of the times.

For instance, when the Roman Catholic Church and the Papacy was the dominant force, it was kind of necessary for dissenters to go "underground" - which explains some of the meaning of the degrees.

Since that time, they are no longer hidden, but still retain the vestiges of that secrecy that was so necessary. This is also why I think their organization served as useful tools in events such as the French Revolution (although you won't read such things in the school textbooks). When you have a big secret such as planning a revolution, it helps to know you have friends who will keep that secret.

Personally, the reason I would never become a Mason myself is I don't agree with swearing allegiance to something on pain of having my tongue or various body members ripped out (whether serious or not)

I've become quite attached to my body members. :)

Here is an interesting post regarding the French Revolution and the Jesuits:


In recent months I have become very interested in your work, some of it is available on the internet. I saw a discussion you gave discussing the Jesuits in Europe, and you said Napoleon was a freemason, and said he worked for the Jesuits to conquer their enemies.

Correct. Napoleon's advisor, Abbe Sieyes was himself a Jesuit on the Directorate and later he was the Second Consul of the three.

I would have a few questions,as I am studying Napoleon at the present, and obviously the Jesuits aren't mentioned in the books I am reading.

What the books do mention is that Napoleon was against freemasonry/secret societies and he laughed at them, and they go on to strongly suggest he was opposed to secret societies and thought they weren't anywhere near as powerful as the societies themselves wanted to imagine. Now what makes you think Napoleon was a freemason?

It is an indisputable fact of history. Many sources mention his membership in the Grand Lodge of Paris. Roman Catholic historian Nesta Webster is one of them.

Also King Frederick is mentioned as having been an ally of the Jesuit Superior General and he protected him. Napoleon treated Frederick very badly, humiliated him and divided up Germany and was an oppressor there. So if Napoleon was working for the Jesuits, then why did he oppress and humiliate Frederick so much.

The Bible-hating and author of the Masonic 33rd Degree, Frederick II, was a traitor to his Protestant Lutheran Germany. This may be the reason why Hitler admired him so, as Austrian Hitler was also a traitor to Germany, ensuring the total destruction of Protestant Prussia by the end of the Second Thirty Years' War (1914-1945). Frederick had backed the French Revolution as per his advisors, the Jesuits, whom he protected after the Order's suppression by the pope in 1773. So as Freemason Napoleon secretly worked with brother Freemason Frederick for the attempted destruction of Protestant Germany, even so covert Freemason Hitler worked with covert Freemason Stalin for the destruction of Protestant Prussia and Protestant East Germany. I prove this secret collusion between Hitler and Stalin in VAIII.

WHy didn't Napoleon re-institute the Jesuits himself as soon as he came to power???

Because the collusion between the Order and Napoleon had to remain a secret. That secret nexus between the Emperor and the Company was accomplished by Illumnized Freemasonry. The connection between Jesuit Weishaupt, his Illuminati founded in the Jesuit stronghold of Bavaria, and the French Revolution is also an undeniable fact of history. The same principle is followed by the Order when it instituted Communism in China. Mao openly expelled the Jesuits in 1949, but his secret policy was to remain subject to the Order that had put him in power via the American OSS (Knight of Malta Wild Bill Donovan) and the British SIS. Yes Communist China is completely in the hands of the Jesuits. Alexander Haig, who is the Honorary Advisor to COSCO has a brother named Francis. Francis Haig is a powerful US Jesuit priest.

I would appreciate any details you can give me, as at the present I have to imagine the role of the Jesuits is exagerated regarding Napoleon, based on the information I have at present. You might be able to show me that he was in fact working for them,

Please consult my Vatican Assassins, third edition. Therein I show that every move Napoleon made in the subjugation of his enemies, until his deliberate sacrifice of his Grande Armee in the snows of Russia, benefitted the Jesuit Order. It is impossible to understand the true purpose of Napoleon without taking into account of the expulsion of the Jesuits from Roman Catholic Portugal (1759), Roman Catholic France (1764), Roman Catholic Spain (1767), Roman Catholic Malta by the Knights of Malta (1768) and the formal Bull of Suppression and Extinction of the Society of Jesus by Pope Clement in 1773. Roman Catholic Austria then expelled the Order in 1774. Meanwhile the Order had been expelled by Peter the Great in 1723 which invasion by Napoleon and the burning of heretic Christian Orthodox Moscow was a payback.

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/

[CJP]

Is this true?

"That which we must say to the crowd is — we worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition... To you, Sovereign Grand Inspector Generals, we say this; that you may repeat it to brothers of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees—The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine."

Albert Pike, quoted by Brian Garlin in Global Checkmate (New Zealand, 1983), and see Lady Queensborough, Occult Theocracy, Volume 1, 1933.


Yes, that is in the book. But keep in mind a couple things... Pike fancied himself a great intellectual, and he loved to say things that were technically true, but would tick off those whom he felt were too ignorant to understand what he was saying. In this case, what Pike knew and what many others still don't is this:

"Lucifer" is not Satan. The word "Lucifer" is somewhat of a mistranslation (it should read "morning star") and appears only in the King James Version (and bibles based on KJV), and then, it only appears once! Not only that, but the verse in question doesn't even refer to Satan or any evil anti-God of any name -- it referrers to an ancient (human) king. If you don't believe me, you can't find out for yourself in many places, even this site, www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2215, which is hardly secularist.

Based on that one mistranslation in one verse in one old English translation, somehow the name "Lucifer" caught on as a name for the Prince of all Evil, when nothing could be further from the truth.

So what is the "lucifer" to which Pike is referring? "Lucifer" is simply Latin for "light bearer", which in this sense is referring to bringing the light of wisdom and spiritual truth into the world. Of course, Pike knew that many people incorrectly associated "lucifer" with evil, but I think he was just trying to torque off people he regarded as ignorant.

[the_oco]

Ill throw a little fuel on this. I'll be vague to protect identities..I was raised by a family outside my biological parents for most of my adolescence. My friends father that took me in was a high ranking mason. When I was 17 I was invited to a Masonic ceremony where my friends father was promoted to the position of "Most Worshipful Grand Master" Supposedly the highest public position a Mason can hold within their group. A private ceremony was also held to celebrate him joining the the 33rd degree. The ceremonies were held in a historic Scottish Rite building, a beautiful city landmark loaded with history from state documents to the architecture. During the ceremony I presented what was told to me to be the oldest bible in the United States, and belonged to a list of statesman that I completely forget. At the time I had no interest in secret societies, or the supposed role that masons play for the NWO, so I don't remember many details which I may find interesting today. All I remember is this ceremony was well attended by power makers in my state, including a senator, a few congressman, and the govenor, all who were masons, and during the ceremony and afterwards while still at the Scottish Rite, all these men showed submission to my friends father, by way of kissing a ring, vocally pledging alligances, or to just stepping forward and opening doors for him.

I never found my friends father to be doing anything nefarious, he is active in the community, doing work for the shriners hospitals and such. The only thing suspicous I ever came across was while working for his company setting up an email server when I had access to his emails was that he received a slow but constant stream of emails filled only with #'s across the page. He was also very publicly hawkish when it came to invading Iraq, even before Powell gave his presentation to the UN. This is probably nothing as many red blooded American were looking for a country to bomb and get revenge after 9/11.

I was given what I've been told is an extremely rare offer after the ceremony, and once a few months after before I left for college, and than one last time while in college. I was personally invited by a former Most Worshipful Grandmaster of my homestate, and then when in college by the acting Grandmaster in my new state, to join the brotherhood. From everything I've learned since then the masons virutally never ask anyone to join. The Grandmaster in my new state told me something like "We always enjoy strong men within the organization who have connected loyalties and know how to shoot " (I'm an avid hunter, so didn't think this strange at the time. My friends father was a big hunter and gun enthusiast and trained me and his son well on a variety of guns, including his collection of fully automatic rifles, which he owned and even took to public ranges though they were illegal.He showed us how to "man up" :-) as he called it with old ass grenades, by pulling the pin, holding it and then throwing it so that it would explode as you threw it at the target) and To join the Masons you have to follow their motto "Ask one to be One" and I certainly never asked, but was 3 times specifically invited, and told how I could be put on a fast track to success within the organization due to my connections. I was busy with school and being a pot head at the time, and especially after moving away from my best friend and thought since he wasn't with me, there was no real motivation to join. I never did end up joining and after finishing college I noticed a complete 180 degree turn in the way my basically adopted family treated me. My friend, now a mason, no longer would answer my calls, and pretty much the same thing with his parents. For a long time I questioned how these people took me in like a son, and than without anything changing, I was suddenly not a part of the family anymore. After a while, I reached the conclusion that it was because I never joined the fraternity.

So there you have it, that went into more detail than I expected, but maybe the mason enthusiasts will find it interesting.

*Just remembered, at the ceremony, 3 new members were introduced. A Christian, a Jew, and a Muslim. My friend told me for them to be inducted, they were put in a chair, had a gun pointed at their head, and were asked, "who do you trust" the only correct answer for this was "God" This part his hear-say as I heard this from my friend after the ceremony, but I find it interesting because I remember reading an article from New York about an old man who was shot dead in the face during a Masonic ceremony.

[misericordia]

"We always enjoy strong men within the organization who have connected loyalties and know how to shoot "

I guess that excludes Cheney. :)

hold it, maybe that hunting buddy was taking the oath...