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malibu
02-02-2008, 02:13 PM
Minimum - with a 3 way split 49-48-3 and we do NOT reach a consensus - all delegates free to vote their conscience on the second ballot.

Of course 10 % of Ron Paul delegates is a better scenario- a 49 - 41 - 10 split.

And guess which delegates will not waiver or be bought off on the second ballot ?

newyearsrevolution08
02-02-2008, 02:14 PM
if it goes to delegates those other candidates are going to have a damn hard time against us.

I love it but hope we can come away with the win BEFORE needing to go brokered but hey we will get it done one way or another.

great insight.

Johncjackson
02-02-2008, 02:33 PM
3way?

Ronin
02-02-2008, 02:34 PM
If my math is correct we need 72 delegates to get the 3%.

Austin
02-02-2008, 02:35 PM
Actually, there are many delegates that are not released until the 3rd or 4th ballot.

malibu
02-02-2008, 06:04 PM
Actually, there are many delegates that are not released until the 3rd or 4th ballot.

With all due respect, I am not sure what you mean "released".

The number of delegates for each state does not change on subsequent ballots.

Most delegates - nearly all the state delegations - are only committed to vote for a particular candidate on the first ballot.

There are some state delegations that are always uncommitted, even on the first ballot, like Iowa's delegates.

freedom-maniac
02-02-2008, 06:07 PM
Well, at worst, RP polls 3%, so we should be able to get that much, and then barter with it.

Misesian
02-02-2008, 06:09 PM
With all due respect, I am not sure what you mean "released".

The number of delegates for each state does not change on subsequent ballots.

Most delegates - nearly all the state delegations - are only committed to vote for a particular candidate on the first ballot.

There are some state delegations that are always uncommitted, even on the first ballot, like Iowa's delegates.

For FL it's the 3rd ballot.

Bradley in DC
02-02-2008, 06:13 PM
all delegates free to vote their conscience on the second ballot.

Please stop the threads with bogus information.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=104384

There are repeated posts about Dr. Paul becoming the Republican presidential nominee in a brokered convention. Most of them are promoting bad information. Here are the actual rules (http://www.gop.com/images/2008_Call_FINAL.pdf):

Rules "binding" delegates are determined by the states (http://www.gop.com/images/Press_State_Summaries.pdf): some delegates are not bound at all, others for the first few votes (first, second or third), while other states bind their delegates until they are released.

In order to be eligible to be nominated at all [RNC Rule 40(b) (http://www.gop.com/About/Rules31-41.htm)], one requirement is to win the majority of delegates in five states (including DC and territories, RNC Rule 27 (http://www.gop.com/About/Rules21-30.htm)).

malibu
02-02-2008, 06:22 PM
Please stop the threads with bogus information.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=104384

There are repeated posts about Dr. Paul becoming the Republican presidential nominee in a brokered convention. Most of them are promoting bad information. Here are the actual rules (http://www.gop.com/images/2008_Call_FINAL.pdf):

Rules "binding" delegates are determined by the states (http://www.gop.com/images/Press_State_Summaries.pdf): some delegates are not bound at all, others for the first few votes (first, second or third), while other states bind their delegates until they are released.

In order to be eligible to be nominated at all [RNC Rule 40(b) (http://www.gop.com/About/Rules31-41.htm)], one requirement is to win the majority of delegates in five states (including DC and territories, RNC Rule 27 (http://www.gop.com/About/Rules21-30.htm)).

I have posted those very same rules several times.

So what is bogus information ? that is a little ridiculous to call it bogus.

show me the state rules about releasing of delegates to an uncommitted status, instead of pretending you have presented something with actual meaning.

No one has - so I still regard my statements as the best available information and hardly bogus.

Misesian
02-02-2008, 06:24 PM
[RNC Rule 40(b) (http://www.gop.com/About/Rules31-41.htm)], one requirement is to win the majority of delegates in five states (including DC and territories, RNC Rule 27 (http://www.gop.com/About/Rules21-30.htm)).

You're the only one I hear saying this. Are you sure that a brokered convention doesn't supercede this rule?

I think I heard you say in another post that brokered vs. non-brokered doesn't matter that this is the rule. Though this isn't exactly CLEAR cut bottom line from this link above. Especially when you hear everywhere else that brokered means brokered and that Gov. Sanford and Newt Gingrich could get the nomination. I haven't heard the campaign mention the 5 state minimum rule either.

JordanQ72
02-02-2008, 06:32 PM
So what is bogus information ? that is a little ridiculous to call it bogus.

Your claim about them being able to freely vote after the 1st ballot, it's not true for a lot of cases.


show me the state rules about releasing of delegates to an uncommitted status, instead of pretending you have presented something with actual meaning.

No one has - so I still regard my statements as the best available information and hardly bogus.

I'm going to have to call you delusional. The very information you're asking for is linked in his post.