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02-01-2008, 05:31 PM

Ron Paul Roundup
by RS Davis (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=194780914&blogID=353802408&Mytoken=4E9FBAF0-0397-420E-87B41227017A9FEF96036049)

Hello Freedomphiles! And a happy anniversary to Ron and Carol Paul. I hope that all of you are sending a donation in today! And Carol Paul appreciates the support:

Ron and I are so honored that you all are contributing to the campaign in honor of our 51st wedding anniversary. That is very special.

We are celebrating our special day as we travel from the California debate to Seattle, Washington and Denver, Colorado for the cause of liberty. We are not giving up our day but sharing it with the voters as you are sharing the fruits of your labor for freedom. Ron says "Freedom works!!" and I believe it does.

We don't seem to hear from Carol as much, but she's got her own views, as well. She wrote a nice piece that's on the RonPaul08 website entitled The American Dream (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/331/the-american-dream/):

"I actually came into the picture about 1952 when Ron was my escort to my 16th birthday party. Don't tell anyone - but I asked him... actually my birthday is February 29th and it was a Sadie Hawkins-type party where the girls asked the boys... and I asked him.


"We went away to college (different colleges in different states), but always kept in touch. On February 1, 1957, we married in an all-white wedding with the bridesmaids carrying armloads of red roses. The flower girl wore a white dress and sprinkled rose petals down the aisle. A fraternity brother of Ron's sang "The Wedding Prayer" and the "Lord's Prayer." Both are very special to us, even today.

"We spent his last semester in college married, and living on the third floor of an old home in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. For one year Ron was manager of the college coffee shop called "The Bullet Hole." He worked as steward and house manager for his fraternity, and had a small scholastic scholarship to help finance his way through college.

Well, some things are really looking up for Dr No right now. For instance, The Los Angeles Times is reporting (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/02/news-shocker-ro.html) that Ron Paul won the fundraising race yet again last quarter:

Well, it's official, ladies and gentlemen. Believe it or not, Rep. Ron Paul, the 72-year-old Texan who hardly ever gets mentioned in Republican political news and the one-time libertarian who always gets the least time on TV debates if he isn't barred completely, was, in fact, the most successful Republican fundraiser in the last three months of 2007.

By a Texas mile.

By the thousands, Paul's fervent followers donated $19.95 million to the "Ron Paul Revolution." He spent $17.75 million, and at year's end, had $7.8 million cash on hand, making him the only Republican candidate to increase his fundraising totals in every quarter of 2007. According to his website, Paul's Paulunteers have contributed another $4.1 million this month to fuel the strict constitutionalist's travels and advertising campaign.

And Maine Today is also reporting (http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=166336&ac=PHnws) the good news that Ron Paul might actually win Maine:

Maine's GOP polling today, Saturday and Sunday may give the Texas congressman his best shot at winning a state, which would be big, coming just days before Tuesday's presidential preference contests in more than 20 states.

It doesn't hurt that Paul's visit this week made him the only presidential candidate from either party to visit Maine before the caucuses.

"I think that (because) he's paid attention to Maine, he'll be rewarded," said R. Kenneth Lindell, Paul's campaign coordinator in Maine.

Now, The New York Times is reporting (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/ron-pauls-tax-adviser/) that Ron Paul has a new tax advisor:

Representative Ron Paul, the Texas doctor with the libertarian streak who is seeking the Republican nomination, has taken on an economic adviser with very close ties to people who assert that the income tax is illegal.

Dr. Paul announced that his new economic adviser is Peter Schiff, who runs Euro Pacific Capital Inc., a securities brokerage. He is also the author of "Crash Proof," a book about a coming economic collapse that on Friday was listed as 224 at Amazon.com.

Not mentioned by the Paul campaign is that Mr. Schiff is the son of Irwin Schiff of Las Vegas, now serving his third federal prison sentence for tax crimes. He is also the author of such books as "The Federal Mafia," which asserts that federal judges are paid off by the Internal Revenue Service, and other books describing the federal government as a criminal organization that illegally extracts income taxes.

Peter Schiff was the co-author of "the Great Income Tax Hoax."

The son, in interviews, has said he thinks his father is correct in asserting that there is no law to make most Americans liable for income taxes and so they can legally put zeroes on their tax returns. Peter Schiff, however, said that he pays his taxes.

I think this is a bad move. Not because Schiff isn't qualified or anything. It's just that a lot of the general public already thinks the Paul campaign is made up of fringe-dwellers, and when there are plenty of good and qualified people to fill this position, the appointment of Schiff only reinforces the negative opinions and gives ammo to Paul detractors.

Rush Limbaugh said that Ron Paul has a "snowball's chance" of getting elected. Top-diamond libertarian creator of The Nolan Chart agrees (http://www.nolanchart.com/article1372.html):

Picture Dr. Paul as a snowball rolling down a very long, snowy slope, gaining speed and mass with every rotation, picking up support and substance as he goes. Yes, with one "flake" after another continuing to adhere to his campaign, pretty soon what you have is an irresistible force taking out every obstacle in its path.

Dave Lindorff sort of endorses (http://counterpunch.org/lindorff01312008.html) Ron Paul on Counterpunch:

Rep. Ron Paul, for all his flaws (and they are many, including a racist attitude on immigration, a sexist attitude on abortion, and a doctinaire view of primacy of the rights of property), is looking better and better. At least he would end the Iraq War, cut the military budget significantly, and restore the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Let's hope he quits this B-rated presidential campaign and runs as an independent or Libertarian.

Even though I disagree with Paul's positions on abortion and immigration, they are not rooted in sexism or racism. Still, he makes a good point for others who may not agree with those positions.

There's a Ron Paul Rally at the University of Minnesota on Monday. Businesswire reports (http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080131006446&newsLang=en):

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul will deliver a speech to students, veterans, and other supporters at the University of Minnesota on Monday, February 4. Ten-term Texas Congressman Paul is the only Republican White House contender seriously campaigning in Minnesota.

Ron Paul Minnesota state coordinator Marianne Stebbins believes that Paul's message is more in line with Minnesotans' political views. "It makes sense that only Congressman Paul would be able to court widespread support here," Stebbins said. "Only he stays above the shrill bickering and stays focused on liberty."

Ron Paul is the only republican presidential candidate with offices and staff in the state. His planned trip stands out among candidates as further evidence that he is paying special attention to Minnesota's "Super Tuesday" caucus.

"The people of Minnesota are not afraid to take a stand on these crucial issues and Ron Paul knows that," added Stebbins. "His words are like fresh air in this polluted political scene."

The rally will take place on Monday, February 4th, from 7:00 – 8:00pm at the University of Minnesota Coffman Union Grand Hall.

There will be open press availability from 10:45-11:30am at the University of Minnesota Coffman Union, in conference room 303.

Minnesota's Republican presidential caucuses will take place on Tuesday, February 5.

And right-libertarian Gary Wood comments (http://www.nolanchart.com/article1615.html) on The Nolan Chart:

Mark your calendars and set your clock! If you are anywhere near the University of Minnesota this coming Monday you don't want to miss a chance to attend the Ron Paul rally. Attending one of these events is both exciting and extremely informative. Those undecided about which candidate to back are especially encouraged, you may well find the answers you're looking for. Minnesota is a State known for their courage, love of liberty, and freedom. Here's the press release with all the details you need. Those of us too far away to attend would like to hear from many of you that are there.

Ron Paul is also visiting Colorado. Vail Daily reports (http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20080201/NEWS/275475980):

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has scheduled campaign stops in Colorado Springs and Denver for Friday...

...He plans to meet with voters and hold a news conference in Colorado Springs before heading to Denver for another press conference and a rally.

That's where he's going, but looking at where he's been, The Seattle Times is reporting (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004157510_ronpaul01m.html) he was a huge hit at his rally there:

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul brought his anti-war, anti-tax message to Seattle on Thursday, delighting a youthful throng of devotees with calls to "obey the Constitution" and drastically pare back the power of the federal government.

...At the UW, Paul delivered a short speech without a microphone outside the student union building to hundreds of enthusiastic supporters who cheered his calls to abolish the Federal Reserve and the income tax and generally get the government to butt out of everyone's life.

"The Constitution was written for one specific purpose and that was to restrain the government, not to restrain the people," Paul said.

His supporters pressed close as he entered the student union building and then went out a side hall to a waiting Kia minivan headed to an appearance in Spokane.

Paul's early opposition to the Iraq war — he was one of just six House Republicans to vote against authorizing the invasion — combined with his staunch opposition to the "welfare state" have earned him the adoration of an eclectic and zealous group of followers some have nicknamed "Ronulans."

Heather Wood, 29, a student at Bellevue Community College, said she previously had leaned toward the Democratic Party.

But Wood said she was swayed by Paul's appeal to personal liberty, including his support for legalizing marijuana. She also liked Paul's oft-repeated criticism of spending billions blowing up bridges in Iraq while they're falling apart in the U.S.

And now for agapecpu's Video Roundup.

Ron Paul American Dream:


I Am A Patriot:


He is Ron Paul:


Born Free Die Free:


Ron Paul - Super Tuesday Hits Home:


Simi Valley, CA Post Debate Rally Speech:


Ron Paul - ReFounding Father:


Colbert on Paul:


Great job, agapecpus! I especially loved that Colbert clip! See ya tomorrow, Freedomphiles!


02-01-2008, 07:31 PM
Colbert Report
Ron Paul speaks on Economics Seattle
Part 1 - http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4oDRdcdp0g
Part 2 - http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=UuO_FfrbS4A
Part 3 - http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=CaI_XBjPXQ4
Part 4 - http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ2U72efzVM
Part 5 - http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=LZS3Vp50Go4
Part 6 - http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=x_RHDmLYT_E
Speech in Seattle, WA
The Revolution: A Manifesto

02-01-2008, 08:11 PM
What about Ron Paul's position on immigration do you not agree with?

02-02-2008, 11:11 AM
What about Ron Paul's position on immigration do you not agree with?

This is Dr Paul's six point plan:

Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.

This appears to allude to his yes vote on a border wall. I don't like the idea of a border wall. Just makes me think of Berlin. Once there is a wall there, they will realize how easy it is to get through, as Penn and Teller showed us (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNPA88RUzWk). So what do you do then? Put some armed guards up there. And how long till those guns pointed out get turned back in? Just gives me the creeps. There are better ways to accomplish immigration reform, and this is just an inefficient use of our resources. If we can save the money and not wall ourselves off, I'm for alternatives.

Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.

I'm okay with this.

No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.

Sure, no amnesty, but neither can we round up 20 million people and kick them out. The dirty secret is that we are around 4% unemployment, which economists will tell you essentially equals 0% unemployment. So, everybody is working, and yet we still have jobs for 20 million illegal workers? If we kicked them out, it'd be our economic ruin. There's a reason they are here - the market. It is to be ignored at our peril.

No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.

That's great and all, but illegal aliens contribute more than they take. According to Reason:

Restrictionists tend to overstate the effect of illegal immigrants on American wages and they understate the amount of taxes even illegals pay. About two-thirds of illegals pay Medicare, Social Security, and income taxes. All pay sales taxes and property taxes (directly if they own property, or, more likely, indirectly via rents that reflect property taxes). And since 1996, the only public funds illegals can really access are for emergency medical care and primary and secondary education (and only 10 percent of illegals send kids to public schools). (http://www.reason.com/news/show/36906.html)

There was also a study done in California that showed on the balance, illegal immigrants give about $18000 a year to public treasuries more than they take in benefits. I wish I could find the link to that one.

End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.

I'd agree with that one, actually.

Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

What we need is to make it easier for Mexicans to come and be workers and then go home. But I don't think that is going to happen. Illegal immigration's dirty little secret is that we need those workers, and with the minimum wage, taxes, and regulatory burden, the only way we will attract workers who will accept the market wages on many of those jobs is by doing things under the table. The black market provides what is needed when the mainstream market cannot, no matter what laws we have in place.

Immigration reform will be useless without regulatory and tax reform, and without recognizing the obvious need for these 20 million workers.

- Rick