Recommendations to Sway McCain Voter

[lly4now]

Today, I asked my friend, who is 18, who he's going to vote for on Super Tuesday. He told me McCain. I asked him why, and he responded that he's essentially the least evil, and that he only disagrees with his war stances. It was a "might as well vote for him" mentality. He told me he would not vote Paul, but I truly feel it's the result of being misinformed and brainwashed by the media. I might be able to influence him though, so does anyone have a recommendation as to which anti-McCain website I should show him? He needs to realize McCain's true nature...

[acroso]

Tell him Iraq has cost 1.6 trillion, and McCain wants to dump another trillion in it over the next four years.

McCain keeps winning the anti-war vote....no idea why.

[Oneironaut07]

My friend was a big mccain supporter, and I tried convincing him for several months that McCain would be the wrong choice
then I convinced him to watch "From Freedom to Fascism" and all the sudden he had second doubts, and then the next day after he did some research he told me "you were right, I am going to vote for Ron Paul"
I also told him about Ron Paul's successes so far (I told him we won louisiana (which is almost true) we got 2nd in nevada and that Ron's plan was to win 5 states and he had a good shot at that and wait for a brokered convention)
he was sold

[Lord Xar]

www.therealmccain.com

McCain has NOTHING but his war stance. He admitted he knows nothing of the economy, he is for amnesty and he has been involved with MANY scandals.

SO, what exactly does your friend support?

Primary is the time to vote with your heart and mind. to pick a person you HOPE would win.

[MikeSmith]

www.therealmccain.com

McCain has NOTHING but his war stance. He admitted he knows nothing of the economy, he is for amnesty and he has been involved with MANY scandals.

SO, what exactly does your friend support?

Primary is the time to vote with your heart and mind. to pick a person you HOPE would win.

Yea, that ones good.

Here he says, "We will never surrender, but there will be other wars":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZCISY40qns

Our military is stretched thin already. Ask him if he wants to be drafted.

edit: Make sure you show him John McCain vs John McCain: http://mccain.bravenewfilms.org/blog/574-john-mccain-vs-john-mccain

[280Z28]

Ask him what kind of message it sends when people are willing to vote for someone evil when a non-evil person is there. Me? I'll do the right thing even if I'm standing there alone. Regardless of how the election goes, I'll at least be able to look back and know I did the right thing.

[lasenorita]

Ask your friend if actively blocking the efforts of heart-broken families of missing soldiers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBiti-ZbeO0) not evil? Show him this picture (http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8100/warandpeace2sw6.jpg) and then ask him again who is the lesser 'evil'? McCain lives in a dream world (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mU2w9D5jxw). There was an investigation about his giving special treatment to lobbyists (http://www.drudgereport.com/flashnyt.htm) which comes as no surprsie as he relies so much on them (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/30/AR2007123002848.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2007123002933). Does your friend like Bush? McCain loves him (http://www.negative273.com/Images/bush-mccain.jpg).

[Cleaner44]

Tell him to be ready for the draft.

[lly4now]

Does your friend like Bush? McCain loves him (http://www.negative273.com/Images/bush-mccain.jpg).

The funny thing is, I asked him if he supports President Bush. He grossly said NO, to which I said McCain is another Bush. I forgot what he said afterwards.

[angrydragon]

How do we sway the 500 or so people being polled?

[MsDee]

Because regardless if McCain wins the nomination, he will not win the presidency against a democrat. In my opinion the ONLY person to win against a Democrat is Ron Paul.

These McCain supporters are so stupid, I met one the other day and asked him if he thinks we should stay in Iraq for the next 100 years.."Uhhh no but I think we should have military bases in other countries." Why? Why does the United States get to? What if China wanted to just put a military base in the US (since we're in debt to them so bad, they should practically own us LOL).
And yet these people that so for McCain and for Republicans that are pro-war, they support it, but GOD FORBID they put their money where their mouth is and enlist to fight the cause that they're voting for. Oh No, we'll leave that to poor saps that have no other choice but to enlist in the armed services.

[lasenorita]

Tell him to be ready for the draft.

Definitely be prepared for a military draft. McCain once sung "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I) and he's already stated that there will be other wars (http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1390897382).


For years McCain has warned that a draft will be necessary if we don’t boost military pay, and he has long agitated for mandatory national service. “Those who claim their liberty but not their duty to the civilization that ensures it live a half-life, indulging their self-interest at the cost of their self-respect,” he wrote in The Washington Monthly in 2001. “Sacrifice for a cause greater than self-interest, however, and you invest your life with the eminence of that cause. Americans did not fight and win World War II as discrete individuals.”

Source: Be Afraid of President McCain (http://www.reason.com/news/show/118937.html)

[dblee]

heh, i told my classmate pretty much everything people here have already said... he goes "I was going to vote for mccain but you've changed my mind in about five minutes"

[Quick]

Let them know that Paul received more donations from the armed forces than all 3 of the remaining candidates combined (in both Q3 and Q4).

[OutsiderJoe]

Just remember that many McCain supporters (I'm one) support him in spite of some of his policy positions, not because of them. To us, he's an honest (I know you disagree), principled (I know you disagree) leader (I know you disagree) who will be a President of whom this nation can be proud (I know you disagree!).

[thegr8drronpaul]

And also the rise of suicide among military personnel. Does he have any military friends who might support Paul?

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=68134

[Catatonic]

Just remember that many McCain supporters (I'm one) support him in spite of some of his policy positions, not because of them. To us, he's an honest (I know you disagree), principled (I know you disagree) leader (I know you disagree) who will be a President of whom this nation can be proud (I know you disagree!).

What are these conclusions based on?

I liked McCain too when I first saw him on "the daily show". I've seen how he feels about asians though. My kids will be half asian. I'm sure McCain wouldn't mind shipping them off to Iraq/n.

[idrake]

What are these conclusions based on?

I liked McCain too when I first saw him on "the daily show". I've seen how he feels about asians though. My kids will be half asian. I'm sure McCain wouldn't mind shipping them off to Iraq/n.

Ditto.

Why won't the OP's friend vote for Paul? Did he give a reason?

[OutsiderJoe]

McCain's not anti-Asian. He's not prejudiced.

He was just beaten every day in his life for five years and so, unfortunately, I might add, chooses to refer to those torturers with the slur.

[MsDee]

Just remember that many McCain supporters (I'm one) support him in spite of some of his policy positions, not because of them. To us, he's an honest (I know you disagree), principled (I know you disagree) leader (I know you disagree) who will be a President of whom this nation can be proud (I know you disagree!).

I'm sorry, but what exactly are you doing here? From your posts you seem to be nothing but a McCain cheerleader.

Perhaps I'm missing something here... Anyone... anyone? Bueller?

[BigRedBrent]

If you vote for McCain you are voting for this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a9Dd-yg2A4E

[thegr8drronpaul]

McCain's not anti-Asian. He's not prejudiced.

He was just beaten every day in his life for five years and so, unfortunately, I might add, chooses to refer to those torturers with the slur.

What are your feelings, Joe, about McCain and his disrespect toward Paul? The smirking, the laughing - don't you think that simply, that just makes him look like a JERK? Are Paul supporters the only ones who see it this way?

Also, ALL he talks about is his military background. Way back in the day (I'm in AZ) I saw him as a hero when I heard all the stories. But as grateful I am that he served our country, that doesn't mean he should run it. Hope this doesn't come out wrong, but it appears to me that this is ALL he's got. It's certainly ALL he talks about! He even tried to use it at the debate the other night when he was specifically asked about why he's qualified to run the ECONOMY. It's his ONLY answer for everything. Many brave men and women have served our country and there have been many POW's. What in the heck makes this guy any more qualified than any other veteran?

He doesn't know anything about economics, and he sure has done NOTHING for illegal immigration in his home state. Unfortunately, for us, his name alone might win him AZ, but so many Arizonans who are even somewhat informed can't stand him for this reason alone. But back to the question - what makes him qualified? I JUST DO NOT GET IT other than the fact that Americans are fooled by his war story which is all he has.

[Goldwater Conservative]

The funny thing is, I asked him if he supports President Bush. He grossly said NO, to which I said McCain is another Bush. I forgot what he said afterwards.

Four more years of Rockefeller "Republicanism"!

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/R/e/1/mccain_bush_hug.jpg

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/apr_bush_mccain_070425_ms.jpg

http://www.electjohnmccain2008.com/images/bush-mccain.jpg

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040311/040311_hmed_mccainbush_10a.hmedium.jpg

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/images/20050829-5_p082905pm-0125-515h.jpg

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2004/07/05/bush-mccain-inside.jpg

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/mccain-bush-20050321,399.jpg

http://www.silt3.com/photos/bush_mccain.jpg



Also, OutsiderJoe, a McCain supporter, has a thread where he asks us Paul supporters about our guy, and I think we gave some him fairly good arguments for why we support him and not McCain. Check it out here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=107469

[Catatonic]

McCain's not anti-Asian. He's not prejudiced.

He was just beaten every day in his life for five years and so, unfortunately, I might add, chooses to refer to those torturers with the slur.

Well, he can't seem to get enough of blowing up kids in Iraq, after saying he'll hate 'those gooks' for as long as he can live, I don't want to take any chances.

You say you support the guy inspite of his policies. Why? What other reason is there to back someone for president? Because he uses 'straight talk' for us, his friends? Because he can move his arms up and down like he's doing the robot while spitting false accusations and lieing through his teeth?

It makes more sense to give the guy a pass on these things because you like his policy than vice versa.

Maybe he was just talking about his captors, but I'd have to have a lot of trust in the guy to believe that. As Ron Paul said, when someone is racist they'll end up letting something slip out sooner or later.

That being said, after looking into McCain, this is really a rather minor transgression, comparativly speaking.

Sorry for pulling the thread off topic :(

I really am curious where you drew your conclusions on his character and why you back someone you know to be wrong.

[lasenorita]

Just remember that many McCain supporters (I'm one) support him in spite of some of his policy positions, not because of them. To us, he's an honest (I know you disagree), principled (I know you disagree) leader (I know you disagree) who will be a President of whom this nation can be proud (I know you disagree!).

Here's what John McCain had to say about Ron Paul (to Kent Snyder): "You're working for the most honest man in Congress."

Also, Ron Paul is so principled that the Club For Growth complains that he's too principled (http://republicanrenaissance.blogspot.com/2007/10/club-for-growth-ron-paul-too-principled.html).

Graduating 894th out of 899 from the Naval Academy and crashing five fighter planes does not exactly scream competent leader. McCain is for amnesty and he will do all in his power to make sure his non-conservative ideas are implemented. My friends, here's some straight talk for you: he will continue our country's path to bankruptcy that the current administration and Congress has led us to with a big smirk on his face.

I find it depressing that some Republicans believe that they can actually win the general election with either McCain/Romney/Huckabee. If I had never done my research about Ron Paul, I would vote Hillary over McCain --- and I dislike Hillary with a passion. The Republicans did not lose in 2006 solely because of Republican scandals. The war was the main issue. The economy will be a huge issue. And well-versed on the economy McCain who can't answer an economic question from Ron Paul is not going to cut it.

I understand your point about wanting an honest, principled, and honorable President. However, if I base my decision solely on personality and character, I'd write-in my 90+ year-old grandfather. Our country is at a crossroads and we will have to elect someone who has a solid grasp of the economy and our nation's foreign policy if we are to avert the downfall of the United States of America. Dr. Paul has both the character and the record to remedy our ills and avert the coming danger. We here support him because of his position to defend our nation's Constitution. Please choose wisely.

[robpriv]

Here's a good one- why do you never hear the media bringing this up?...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

[AnalogDan]

"If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention."

[hawks4ronpaul]

An important, forgotten piece of crooked talk from McCain was when he accused Congress of being corrupt (while he was in it) but he refused to name who was corrupt. He tried to argue that Congress was corrupt but no politician in Congress was corrupt.

See http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE6D71030F936A25753C1A96F9582 60 for a start.


http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

[VicVixvi]

If your friend can youtube have him watch John McCain vs. John McCain at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI

Here's another great youtube to send to your "McCain friends"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06hR2EGpl4o

-V-

[itsnobody]

Reasons to vote for John McCain - http://youtube.com/watch?v=W-lYKrQPgZM

Show him that video

[morerocklesstalk]

Ron Paul just needs to define himself before other people have the chance, like McCain does. If McCain tells people that it's "straight talk", people accept it as fact. Same with Romney repeating economy and his experience in the private sector.

Remember the buzzword is "TIMETABLES". Luckily for me I still remember them from 2nd grade.

[qh4dotcom]

You can tell your 18 year old to give up about McCain being president and to do the right thing which is to vote for Ron Paul. McCain cannot possibly beat Hillary who is likely to be the Democratic nominee....here's why

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=108892

[SeanEdwards]

"If you vote for the fascist warmonger, I will cut out your eyes and pee on your brain."