Example of how NOT to support a candidate

[mesler]

I found this on a forum I frequent. The first line is the *title*. :(


Mexicans = lazy

Who agrees with me on this?

I really get tired of people that say "Oh, the Mexicans are such hard workers!" Well to me, they're not, they are lazy and here's why. If they would expend even half as much effort protesting things back in Mexico, they would probably be able to change some things for the better there. Instead, they choose to take the easy way out and ran across the border where they can receive socialist entitlements like free health care & such. That is my definition of lazy.

Oh, and before anyone says "Oh, but you don't understand how bad it is in Mexico." I do, I've been there before & last time I checked Mexico was not a dictatorship. If they want to know how oppressed people really live, they should watch that Lisa Ling special on North Korea.

Thoughts?
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Ron Paul '08 - The common sense candidate.

[NewEnd]

I found this on a forum I frequent. The first line is the *title*. :(


Mexicans = lazy

Who agrees with me on this?

I really get tired of people that say "Oh, the Mexicans are such hard workers!" Well to me, they're not, they are lazy and here's why. If they would expend even half as much effort protesting things back in Mexico, they would probably be able to change some things for the better there. Instead, they choose to take the easy way out and ran across the border where they can receive socialist entitlements like free health care & such. That is my definition of lazy.

Oh, and before anyone says "Oh, but you don't understand how bad it is in Mexico." I do, I've been there before & last time I checked Mexico was not a dictatorship. If they want to know how oppressed people really live, they should watch that Lisa Ling special on North Korea.

Thoughts?
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Ron Paul '08 - The common sense candidate.

Typical douchebag?

I'm not sure who wrote it, but they sound like an idiot to me.

[Harald]

Human Being = Lazy ...
That is our nature. Laziness is the engine of the progress.

Political process is way too slow and unreliable way of improving your well being.
Voting with your feet allows to achieve desired outcome much faster.

[cujothekitten]

A good friend of mine left this little gem on my myspace profile :/


here's a tip, don't buy your salvaged car from a bunch of spics cause the engine will just need to be replaced =/

true story



Yes it's still there... I don't delete comments

[SeanEdwards]

I think one of the appealing things about RP is that he clearly rejects all these "group" notions. He plainly states that he is against "women's rights", "minority rights", etc. The only rights he cares about are individual rights. I think that honest, reasoned, and compassionate position is really refreshing when compared to all the other public figures who can't wait to pander to one group or another.

Anyway, thats why a comment like mexicans=lazy is something only an uninformed person could associate with RP.

[ladyjade3]

Let's not help publicize the negative stuff. Just ignore them. Or reply to them, but don't repost. Eventually the MSM will be finding all the negative things for us. Let's not help.

[Craig_R]

I found this on a forum I frequent. The first line is the *title*. :(


Mexicans = lazy

Who agrees with me on this?

I really get tired of people that say "Oh, the Mexicans are such hard workers!" Well to me, they're not, they are lazy and here's why. If they would expend even half as much effort protesting things back in Mexico, they would probably be able to change some things for the better there. Instead, they choose to take the easy way out and ran across the border where they can receive socialist entitlements like free health care & such. That is my definition of lazy.

Oh, and before anyone says "Oh, but you don't understand how bad it is in Mexico." I do, I've been there before & last time I checked Mexico was not a dictatorship. If they want to know how oppressed people really live, they should watch that Lisa Ling special on North Korea.

Thoughts?
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Ron Paul '08 - The common sense candidate.

I agree and if you dont like it , well, too bad

[Mort]

If you have ever listened to Carlos Mencia he agrees Mexicans in Mexico are lazy. They take a siesta in the middle of the day. All the hard working Mexicans come to the US because of the opportunities. That probably holds down Mexico, with us draining their hardworkers, hurts their economy.

[NewEnd]

All the Mexicans I have met have been hard workers... and I have met alot.

I have not met any on welfare that I know of.

I have met many in the military also... or in the kitchen of places I've worked (stereotype, but true) or landscapers... (hee hee, another stereotype, but true)

So, based on my life experience.... racists suck.

[mdh]

Dos Equis lager isn't bad.

[Andrew76]

I'm seriously hoping that those of you who're on here agreeing with inane statement, "Mexicans = lazy," and the equally ignorant, "Carlos Mencia even says so!" are kidding. If you are serious, and are serious about spreading around your prejudiced garbage, I suggest you knock that crap off. This is absolutely not the place. Take that shit to your Klan rally.

[mdh]

Woah there, guys, no need for all of this tension. If people want to be racists, there's nothing we oughtta do to stop them feeling that way - and that's a good thing. Once you can stop a racist, you can stop supporters of "non-mainstream" political candidates, too.
Time and time again we see that every inch given is a mile taken. Don't start down the slippery slope, and other cliches. :)

[Craig_R]

I'm seriously hoping that those of you who're on here agreeing with inane statement, "Mexicans = lazy," and the equally ignorant, "Carlos Mencia even says so!" are kidding. If you are serious, and are serious about spreading around your prejudiced garbage, I suggest you knock that crap off. This is absolutely not the place. Take that shit to your Klan rally.

Obviously you're a deep thinker. Its not about racism , think about it, are we americans sneaking into canada by the millions because we dont like the way things are going in our government? No we're standing and fighting. And If the mexicans would do the same in their own country they would be better off for it. they seem to have no problem taking to our streets to protest our policy, they should put that energy to better use at home and repsect our borders.

[Anne]

I think some people get the impression that Mexicans are lazy because of a cultural difference. Mexicans are for the most part hardworking. Like Italians and Greeks, they are perceived as lazy because many Mediterranean cultures believe in naps in the afternoon after a three-hour lunch.

Personally, I think Americans should be a bit more "lazy" and stop being so Type A! Life shouldn't be all about work

[mesler]

I agree and if you dont like it , well, too bad

The best thing you can do to support Paul is to shut up. And if you don't like it, well, too bad. :)

[austinphish]

This is an insurrection and needs to be addressed:

First, labeling an entire subsect of a population in a negative sense is bigoted. Some mexicans may be lazy, some may be incredibly industrious. The point is if that if you make a negative statement on a race of people based on hearsay or anecdotal swaps, you sound like a bigot and more importantly a fool with convictions he can't support.

Please notice that there is a general theme among the popular issues discussed among Ron Paulians - they involve restoring freedom, liberty and decency by using the constitutional guidelines laid out by our fathers. This restoration is to bring back a once proud republic which has been high jacked by an overpowerful centralized government run by special interests.

Do you seriously think we can rise up and kick human beings out of our country by claiming "they must go b/c they are lazy"? Get real with the issue and then the rest of us will be happy to discuss it in its proper social context.

If you feel however that you must address the immigration issue:
A. There are plenty of other forums out there which will welcome you with open arms and won't bring negative publicity to the good Dr.
B. On this site you can address the issue in terms of it being one of the few obligations of the federal government --- protecting our boarders.

Lastly, I like others on this board, recognize your statements should not be Gitmoed, as it is your right, especially among fellow patriots, to speak your mind. Take note that it is also my right, nay duty to address points made on this good Dr.'s forum which lack the intellectual capital that Ron Paul necessatatingly weilds behind his patriotic attacks on the tyranny before us all.

[Brandybuck]

For the last couple of weeks I was on this great high. I was thinking that Ron Paul might actually win the nomination, and then the presidency. That made me really really happy.

Then I come here and find a bunch of goddamned racists and conspiracy freaks. I am so angry I want to scream. If you want Ron Paul elected, then STOP IT! Don't drag him down into your depravity!

[NewEnd]

For the last couple of weeks I was on this great high. I was thinking that Ron Paul might actually win the nomination, and then the presidency. That made me really really happy.

Then I come here and find a bunch of goddamned racists and conspiracy freaks. I am so angry I want to scream. If you want Ron Paul elected, then STOP IT! Don't drag him down into your depravity!

And I meet people who always focus on the negative

;)

[mdh]

You guys had me there for a minute. I was totally typing out another rant about the conspiracy kids. Seriously though, lets stop hijacking threads with arguments over conspiracy whackyness. Next time you're typing up a post about conspiracy kids or racism or something else that has no possible positive value for this forum or Dr. Paul's campaign, just stop. "WWMDHD", guys. And seriously, this is equally addressed to people who agree with me as those who don't.

Infighting is a waste of time, and a distraction from our goal.

[Craig_R]

The best thing you can do to support Paul is to shut up. And if you don't like it, well, too bad. :)

really? cause I just talked 4 people into voting for him today, and in the real world too.

anyway I should clarify, I wasnt agreeing that mexicans are lazy, I was agreeing with what the rest of the post said. it was obvious to me that the dude was saying mexicans were lazy just to illicit a response, I do that all the time.

anyone too dumb to not read beyond the opening statement wouldnt understand what he or I for that matter were talking about anyway.

buncha nazi control freaks around here I swear

[Craig_R]

You guys had me there for a minute. I was totally typing out another rant about the conspiracy kids. Seriously though, lets stop hijacking threads with arguments over conspiracy whackyness. Next time you're typing up a post about conspiracy kids or racism or something else that has no possible positive value for this forum or Dr. Paul's campaign, just stop. "WWMDHD", guys. And seriously, this is equally addressed to people who agree with me as those who don't.

Infighting is a waste of time, and a distraction from our goal.

WTF? where do you see any conspiracy? do you even know where you are?

suggesting mexicans would be better off staying in mexico and trying to change mexico for the better is a conspiracy now?

[mdh]

WTF? where do you see any conspiracy? do you even know where you are?

suggesting mexicans would be better off staying in mexico and trying to change mexico for the better is a conspiracy now?

Nah, I didn't say that. I was mostly going to reply to austinphish, but Brandybuck brought the conspiracy followers into it. Though maybe Mexico *is* a conspiracy. :p
I mean, are we *really* sure it exists? You hear a lot about it... you see the people who *claim* to be from Mexico, but isn't it even *more* probable that our southern border is with Panama or Guatemala directly? A few facts to back up my claim:

It's said that 70% of the Earth's surface is water. This would be impossible if Mexico existed given the boundaries and size that are claimed for it.
Panama sounds an awful lot like Panam. A Panam flight once crashed. There was some official story as to why, but we know those are never true, so it seems just as likely that it was done as an attempt by Panama's government to draw our attention south. To Panama.
Florida is hot. It's hot near the equator at such low elevations, but "official" maps claim that Florida does not touch the equator. Most of the space keeping Florida from being on the equator is Mexico.

Think about it! :D

[Craig_R]

Nah, I didn't say that. I was mostly going to reply to austinphish, but Brandybuck brought the conspiracy followers into it. Though maybe Mexico *is* a conspiracy. :p
I mean, are we *really* sure it exists? You hear a lot about it... you see the people who *claim* to be from Mexico, but isn't it even *more* probable that our southern border is with Panama or Guatemala directly? A few facts to back up my claim:

It's said that 70% of the Earth's surface is water. This would be impossible if Mexico existed given the boundaries and size that are claimed for it.
Panama sounds an awful lot like Panam. A Panam flight once crashed. There was some official story as to why, but we know those are never true, so it seems just as likely that it was done as an attempt by Panama's government to draw our attention south. To Panama.
Florida is hot. It's hot near the equator at such low elevations, but "official" maps claim that Florida does not touch the equator. Most of the space keeping Florida from being on the equator is Mexico.

Think about it! :D

why be an antagonist here? If you just want to war with "cosnpiracy theorists" and belittle them in the manner you have repeatedly on many of your posts on this board, there are plenty of other places you can do it.

as far as I have seen nobody is offering any conspiracy theories, just acknowledging the fact that they do not trust the government.

I could list over a dozen perfectly good reasons why I do not trust the official story all based in fact and scientific evidence. But I dont, because this forum is not the place to do that.

You have achieved exactly the thing you and others were trying to prevent on this board, the focus has been blurred, the topics increasingly "nutty", and most of it because of your posts. Congratulations, you are now as counterproductive as the government.

[NewEnd]

anyway I should clarify, I wasnt agreeing that mexicans are lazy, I was agreeing with what the rest of the post said. it was obvious to me that the dude was saying mexicans were lazy just to illicit a response, I do that all the time.


Yeah... we have a name for that here on the internets... it's called trolling, and it's annoying.

[mdh]

why be an antagonist here? If you just want to war with "cosnpiracy theorists" and belittle them in the manner you have repeatedly on many of your posts on this board, there are plenty of other places you can do it.

as far as I have seen nobody is offering any conspiracy theories, just acknowledging the fact that they do not trust the government.

I could list over a dozen perfectly good reasons why I do not trust the official story all based in fact and scientific evidence. But I dont, because this forum is not the place to do that.

You have achieved exactly the thing you and others were trying to prevent on this board, the focus has been blurred, the topics increasingly "nutty", and most of it because of your posts. Congratulations, you are now as counterproductive as the government.

Again it seems like you read... errr... the opposite of what my point was. I wasn't being an antagonist at all, it just seems like a lot of conspiracy followers have this victim mentality that whenever someone even brings up the subject who isn't 'towing the party line' on the conspiracy du jour, that person must be antagonizing them.
I even go so far as to lighten the mood with something funny, and you seem to think it's somehow designed to be offensive. Seems more like some folks are getting very defensive.