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MoonShine
02-01-2008, 12:00 PM
For those of us raised during the Cold War era the word "manifesto" has somewhat of a foreboding tenor. Surely Dr. Paul knows that.

I am trying to figure out why Dr. Paul has to use that word. It seems like he is wanting to discommunicate with some.

Has the book been sent to the printer yet?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto


The Communist Manifesto

The Manifesto of the Communist Party (German: Manifest der Kommunistischen Partei), usually referred to as The Communist Manifesto, was first published on February 21, 1848, and is one of the world's most influential political tracts. Commissioned by the Communist League and written by communist theorists Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, it laid out the League's purposes and program. The Manifesto suggested a course of action for a proletarian (working class) revolution to overthrow the bourgeois social order and to eventually bring about a classless and stateless society, and the abolition of private property.

Patriot0811
02-01-2008, 12:03 PM
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+manifesto

Ron Paul basically wants to put in writing the direction of the movement and the ultimate goal of the Revolution.

sirachman
02-01-2008, 12:03 PM
anything that could stir controversy is always good. if people think it is REALLY BAD OR GOOD they will be more likely to read it.

homah
02-01-2008, 12:03 PM
"A public declaration of principles, policies, or intentions, especially of a political nature."

I had to look up the definition after I saw the title of the book because I always figured the word had a negative connotation. It will get people's attention, if nothing else.

rollingpig
02-01-2008, 12:05 PM
what else would you call it then?

The One
02-01-2008, 12:07 PM
because that's what it is.....

Ethek
02-01-2008, 12:10 PM
I can see this book as getting people spots on the TSA watch-list. Great title.

CelestialRender
02-01-2008, 12:22 PM
A manifesto defines and encourages a political ideology, especially one of a revolutionary nature.

And I think a bit of an anti-Communist manifesto is intended.

(Edited out my analogy; it was bound to cause a flame or two.)

Moxxar
02-01-2008, 12:31 PM
A manifesto defines and encourages a political ideology, especially one of a revolutionary nature.

And I think a bit of an anti-Communist manifesto is intended.

(Edited out my analogy; it was bound to cause a flame or two.)


Hehe too late.. I read it! :D I'll keep it to myself. ;)

itshappening
02-01-2008, 12:33 PM
a manifesto is a party's manifesto, like their platform.

he is not using it in the context of communism but rather "this is the platform"

MoonShine
02-01-2008, 12:34 PM
And I think a bit of an anti-Communist manifesto is intended.


Maybe, but the strategy is risky. Time will tell I suppose.

RonRules
02-01-2008, 12:34 PM
I also think this was a terrible title.

This RevolUTION stuff is actually hurting the campaign.

Look at the trend:
10%, 8%, 6%, 14%, 0%, 4%, 3%

Some of the work that the grassroots is doing like yelling in the street and having Brownshirt marches actually produces NEGATIVE results.

A "Manifesto" book is exactly what's needed to kill this campaign.

constituent
02-01-2008, 12:35 PM
lovin' it!

constituent
02-01-2008, 12:35 PM
I also think this was a terrible title.

This RevolUTION stuff is actually hurting the campaign.

Look at the trend:
10%, 8%, 6%, 14%, 0%, 4%, 3%

Some of the work that the grassroots is doing like yelling in the street and having Brownshirt marches actually produces NEGATIVE results.

A "Manifesto" book is exactly what's needed to kill this campaign.

according to.....


you.


but apparently RP feels differently about it.

RonRules
02-01-2008, 12:37 PM
"Liberation of the Conservatives" Would have been a much more appropriate title.

Enigmatic enough to arouse attention, self explanatory to those who understand it.

MoonShine
02-01-2008, 12:37 PM
A "Manifesto" book is exactly what's needed to kill this campaign.

I fear it will do just exactly that.

Arek
02-01-2008, 12:37 PM
Manifesto doesn't have an evil connotation to it. Sure in America today we may beleive manifesto is evil. Would you rather it be called. Ron Paul's political ideologies of his 2008 presidential campaign.

The One
02-01-2008, 12:37 PM
Hehe too late.. I read it! :D I'll keep it to myself. ;)

I saw it, too, and I'm tellin'!!!!!!!

RP4Pres2008
02-01-2008, 12:38 PM
Wow, a lot of intelligence in this thread...

Do you really think manifesto is purely a communism thing? Man...

RonRules
02-01-2008, 12:39 PM
according to.....


you.


but apparently RP feels differently about it.


RP can't be right on everything. Being associated with revolutionaries doesn't make for good election numbers.

Vvick727
02-01-2008, 12:39 PM
type in "manifesto" into amazon's book search.

over 64,000 results.

RonRules
02-01-2008, 12:40 PM
Revolutions don't get voted in.

hillertexas
02-01-2008, 12:40 PM
If you truly believe that we are involved in something historical (like I do), then I think "Manifesto" is very appropriate.

He's 72. I think he is making sure he leaves our movement instructions.

MoonShine
02-01-2008, 12:40 PM
Wow, a lot of intelligence in this thread...

Do you really thing manifesto is purely a communism thing? Man...

No. But still yet it's a poor choice for a title IMO.

constituent
02-01-2008, 12:40 PM
Revolutions don't get voted in.

what's that?

in the words of Giuliani

"ronald reagan ronald reagan"

nullvalu
02-01-2008, 12:41 PM
This RevolUTION stuff is actually hurting the campaign.

Sorry, but this movement about lighting a fire under the youth's collective asses to return this country to a constitutionally-limited government and reintroduce the philosophy of liberty to the younger generation. The title of this book will appeal to the target audience.

No offense, but there is not much hope left for the current generation, look at how much trouble most of us have had trying to convince our own parents. If they didn't hear it on the alphabet soup news networks, then it isn't true.

MoonShine
02-01-2008, 12:43 PM
Sorry, but this movement about lighting a fire under the youth's collective asses to return this country to a constitutionally-limited government and reintroduce the philosophy of liberty to the younger generation. The title of this book will appeal to the target audience.

No offense, but there is not much hope left for the current generation, look at how much trouble most of us have had trying to convince our own parents. If they didn't hear it on the alphabet soup news networks, then it isn't true.

True. I never thought about that. The word "manifesto" sure as as hell does not appeal to the older (i.e. my) generation.

Vvick727
02-01-2008, 12:43 PM
yeah, his word choice appeals to the younger generation.

"revolution" is an idealistic word, and the young are prone to idealism.

look at the revolution, most of the founders were relatively young

affa
02-01-2008, 12:44 PM
It's a fantastic title.

Sey.Naci
02-01-2008, 12:45 PM
It's a brilliant title.

Right away, I thought of the Communist Manifesto whose release turned the world on its ear.

The word 'manifesto' is WILL draw people's attention, simply because of the association in the minds of baby boomers, avid readers, critics, and so on. That will make them want to read it. And when they do, they'll see how OPPOSITE to communism Ron Paul's manifesto is. Because of the MSM treatment, they'll be expecting something very different than what they discover within the pages of this book.

The selection of this title is truly a marketing high-five.

Molly1
02-01-2008, 12:45 PM
For those of us raised during the Cold War era the word "manifesto" has somewhat of a foreboding tenor. Surely Dr. Paul knows that.

I am trying to figure out why Dr. Paul has to use that word. It seems like he is wanting to discommunicate with some.

Has the book been sent to the printer yet?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto

Speaking of the communist manifesto, have you looked at the platform of the Democratic party lately?

Why don't you read the communist manifesto and compare it to the Democratic platform if you really want to feel a foreboding terror?

mczerone
02-01-2008, 12:46 PM
"A public declaration of principles, policies, or intentions, especially of a political nature."

I had to look up the definition after I saw the title of the book because I always figured the word had a negative connotation. It will get people's attention, if nothing else.

Yeah, but when trying to separate yourself from a public perception of being a 'nutjob', releasing a "Manifesto" hardly helps. Because the same people that think he's a nutjob are the ones who will hold the negative connotation for Manifesto, without second guessing.

The book solidifies for me the long-now application of what we are doing. We are taking back our country, safely and surely, from corporate and government self-interests.

AlexMerced
02-01-2008, 12:46 PM
If you truly believe that we are involved in something historical, (like I do) then I think "Manifesto" is very appropriate.

He's 72. I think he is making sure he leaves our movement instructions.

FTW

DeadtoSin
02-01-2008, 12:48 PM
If you truly believe that we are involved in something historical, (like I do) then I think "Manifesto" is very appropriate.

He's 72. I think he is making sure he leaves our movement instructions.

Hiller, you hit the heart of the issue in that short post. This is a recording of his view of the movement, and its a list of his desires for the movement, along with some instructions on how to begin to tear down the political establishment that is taking our liberties.

The title of this book inspires me, and I believe that the word Manifesto is very appropriately placed.

RockEnds
02-01-2008, 12:49 PM
Thank God for Dr. Paul.

RonRules
02-01-2008, 01:04 PM
"The Conservative Liberation"

Doesn't that sound much better? Wouldn't that title appeal to a wider audience?

RockEnds
02-01-2008, 01:11 PM
"The Conservative Liberation"

Doesn't that sound much better? Wouldn't that title appeal to a wider audience?

No. That sounds like the thing that happened to Hillary in her transition from a Goldwater Girl to a progressive Democrat.

RonRules
02-01-2008, 01:16 PM
No. That sounds like the thing that happened to Hillary in her transition from a Goldwater Girl to a progressive Democrat.

She was a Goldwater Girl ? That's fascinating.

Molly1
02-01-2008, 01:17 PM
Has Ron Paul given us a way to easily spread the truth?

Could it be if we just give this book to family and friends our work will be done for us?

It is a spiritual war we are fighting, a war for the minds and hearts of Americans.





12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
---Ephesians 6

ignoranceisntbliss
02-01-2008, 01:21 PM
Wow this thread is over the top...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifesto

The US Declaration of Independence was a "MANIFESTO".

This thread is dripping with... "if you don't support our government then you must be a Communist"... "Sociology... what's that, SOCIALISM???"

affa
02-01-2008, 01:23 PM
"The Conservative Liberation"

Doesn't that sound much better? Wouldn't that title appeal to a wider audience?

Absolutely not.

The title 'The Revolution: A Manifesto' is a perfectly constructed meme and practically guarantees it will be widely read and discussed.

yanksforpaul
02-01-2008, 01:24 PM
Any old person who is offended by a freaking word because it was used in a book for an opposing political theory half a century ago probably is rather ignorant and close-minded and thus wouldn't vote for Paul in the first place, so no big loss.

I love the title - powerful, simple, direct.

RPCanadian
02-01-2008, 01:29 PM
Hey....these are all 'manifesto"s . You folks talk about the first one a lot.

Examples of notable manifestos:
The United States Declaration of Independence (1776)
The Cartagena Manifesto (1812), by Simón Bolívar
The Tamworth Manifesto issued in 1834 by Sir Robert Peel
The Communist Manifesto (1848), by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels
The Humanist Manifesto I, II and III
The 1890 Manifesto dealing with plural marriage, issued by Wilford Woodruff as President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Urmia Manifesto of the United Free Assyria, (1917) by Dr. Freydun Atturaya
The Fascist manifesto (1919), by Fasci di Combattimento
The Manifesto of the Anti-Fascist Intellectuals (1925), by Benedetto Croce
The Cannibal Manifesto (1928), by Oswald de Andrade
The Regina Manifesto (1933), by the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation
A Christian Manifesto (1934) by Edwin Lewis
The PKWN manifesto (1944), by Polish Committee of National Liberation
The Objectives Resolution of Pakistan (1949), by Liaquat Ali Khan
The Southern Manifesto (1956), opposing the Supreme Court's decision in Brown v. Board of Education
'The Capitalist Manifesto (1958), proposing the Democratization of Capital, including employee and citizen's ownership by Louis Kelso and Mortimer Adler (see Binary Economics')
The Manifesto of the 121 against the Algerian War
The Sharon Statement (1960), by William F. Buckley, Jr. (Young Americans for Freedom)
The Port Huron Statement (1962), by Tom Hayden et al.
The SCUM Manifesto (1968), by Valerie Solanas
A Christian Manifesto (1982), by Francis Schaeffer

WilliamC
02-01-2008, 01:33 PM
She was a Goldwater Girl ? That's fascinating.

What very few people seem to realize is that Hillary Clinton never abandoned her Goldwater Conservative ideals.

She just realized early on that she had to go underground, deep deep underground, and over many years she has been working to infiltrate the bastion of anti-conservatism, the Democratic Party.

Now, she is set to get it's nomination, and run against McCain, arguably the weakest candidate the Republican's could put against her.

So when she wins in November, she will keep up the charade for a few more months, consolidate her power, pull in her "allies" and set everything in place for....

...her inagural address, where she will stun her supporters and shock the world by revealing that all along she has been and still remains a Goldwater Girl, a true Conservative, and that she will be the savior America needs to return us to our Constitutional roots.

On that day she will fire her VP and select Ron Paul. She will fire her Secrataries and replace them with people she and Ron Paul have selected together.

And she will of course divorce Bill Clinton and marry the love of her life, a man who has remained a bachlor all these years, the only one who is aware of her secret, Rush Limbaugh.

[/sarcasm]

Truth Warrior
02-01-2008, 01:38 PM
http://www.mises.org/rothbard/foranewlb.pdf

JoshLowry
02-01-2008, 01:41 PM
Ron Paul knows best.

:)

DeadtoSin
02-01-2008, 01:42 PM
Ron Paul knows best.

:)

I haven't seen him lead us wrong so far..

CopperheadNC
02-01-2008, 01:47 PM
The time is right for a peaceful, worldwide, libertarian revolution.

This book will be instrumental in bringing this about.

AggieforPaul
02-01-2008, 01:50 PM
I see where you're coming from, but anyone who knows the definition of "manifesto" shouldn't be alarmed. Marx's book also contained "the" in the title, and nobody is alarmed by other books with "the" in the title.

RonPaulVolunteer
02-01-2008, 01:50 PM
I guess it could cause confusion to those who didn't complete high school.

Truth Warrior
02-01-2008, 01:53 PM
I guess it could cause confusion to those who didn't complete high school.
Don't most things? :)

Flirple
02-01-2008, 02:12 PM
Also relivant is the late Murry Rothbard's "For a New Liberty: A Libertarian Manifesto" You can download it free in audio format here:
http://www.mises.org/media.aspx?action=category&ID=87

It's really the book that defined and launched the modern freedom movement.

FreeTraveler
02-01-2008, 02:18 PM
"Liberation of the Conservatives" Would have been a much more appropriate title.

Enigmatic enough to arouse attention, self explanatory to those who understand it.

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah... When you run for Prez, you can name your own book.

Good luck with that!

Matt
02-01-2008, 02:24 PM
Because Ron Paul is the anti-Marx.

I think it's a brilliant title, if it stirs up controversy that just means more people will read it. There's obviously nothing communist about it.

FreeTraveler
02-01-2008, 02:25 PM
True. I never thought about that. The word "manifesto" sure as as hell does not appeal to the older (i.e. my) generation.

Nope, it doesn't if you're a sheeple (sorry for the "politically incorrect" word) but for us old hippies, we're all yellin' "Right On, Ron"!!!!!!! Did you grow old and forget how hard we tried to change things when WE were young? Now we send our kids to die in Iraq, and we play soccer in Vietnam. Sure proves the establishment was right and those 60,000 of our brothers and sisters who died in that war died for a good cause, doesn't it???

I'm 55, and can't think of a BETTER title for a book intended to change the world!

Dr. Paul has TRIED the gentlemanly approach, and we all can see how that's working out. I hope this book scares the poop out of the establishment, gets people put on watch lists, and is considered every bit as "subversive" as the Bill of Rights and support of the Second Amendment has become.

I think he knows that his campaign is bringing a revolution. It's his hope, as it is mine, that it will be a peaceful one, but that's looking less likely every day.

I know not what path others may take, but as for me, give me Liberty, or give me death!

belian78
02-01-2008, 02:25 PM
RP can't be right on everything. Being associated with revolutionaries doesn't make for good election numbers.

then what would you call what we are doing? because any big change, especially one of this magnitude is usually referred to as a revolution. mmm... maybe the founders should have called themselves 'the PC guys who would liberate you' 'but not rock the boat too much'.

:D:D not flaming, just being playful.

Neomatrix
02-01-2008, 02:34 PM
The time is right for a peaceful, worldwide, libertarian revolution.

This book will be instrumental in bringing this about.

until it is banned for political hate speech under the new Homegrown terrorism laws. :D

Ronin
02-01-2008, 02:54 PM
I don't see the issue. This book isn't intended to win an election. It's intended to provide a platform for us to continue on. It should also provide an argument for the cause. I think it is the perfect title. If somone gets their panties in a wad that is their problem, and they are probably not the intended audience anyways.

pinkmandy
02-01-2008, 03:00 PM
I love the title. It is perfect!!!

Rocket80
02-01-2008, 03:20 PM
This book will single-handedly redefine the common negative perceptions of the word 'manifesto'

Perfect title IMO, but I do agree it appeals to younger people (which is a good thing)

LandonCook
02-01-2008, 03:22 PM
It sounds dangerious, so people will be sure to buy it...

syborius
02-01-2008, 03:24 PM
"Liberation of the Conservatives" Would have been a much more appropriate title.

Enigmatic enough to arouse attention, self explanatory to those who understand it.

He is a principled man, that loves and cares for this country, and desperately needs to consult some marketing/image people.

jnpg
02-01-2008, 03:26 PM
I love the title-
I think it is perfectly appropriate and will grab people's attention.

I feel like I am screaming in a vacuum- I know you all know this feeling.

I am going to keep yelling y'all!

robert4rp08
02-01-2008, 03:29 PM
Look up the actual definition of manifesto. Just because it has been attached to the word communist doesn't mean it should never be used again. haha

Since communists used to breath air, we should stop breathing air too. 1, 2, 3, stop breathing...... :/

Sweman
02-01-2008, 03:29 PM
Shouldn't there be a word of substance in the title? For example:

The Revolution: A Freedom Manifesto

Steve618
02-01-2008, 03:30 PM
Ron Paul also has read and admires much of what Ayn Rand has written. She also used the term for her book "The Romantic Manifesto".

Truth Warrior
02-01-2008, 03:33 PM
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/manifesto

american empire
02-01-2008, 03:37 PM
most people are brainwashed about the cold war communism.......
manifesto is a word.....
everything communist is NOT "evil"....just because te word was associated with them does not mean the word has new meaning....wow we still have yet to come out of the Mccarthy era ...and here we want others to open their eyes........

rmholla
02-01-2008, 03:52 PM
Tossing in my two cents... I love the title.

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seeker1
02-01-2008, 04:16 PM
because that's what it is.....

People just say the weirdest stuff. I know lets call it,

The Revolution;
A public declaration of principles, policies, or intentions.

or

The Revolution:
A document in which we set out the program we propose

I don't know, there must be a shorter way of saying that? Hmmm.

Manifesto? Yeah that's it.

The Revolution:
A Manifesto:rolleyes:

Free McKilt
02-01-2008, 04:18 PM
Damn good title!

BeallCanbe
02-01-2008, 04:19 PM
If you have problem with "manifesto", probably you will have more problem with "R3volution".

GHoeberX
02-01-2008, 04:24 PM
For those of us raised during the Cold War era the word "manifesto" has somewhat of a foreboding tenor. Surely Dr. Paul knows that.

I am trying to figure out why Dr. Paul has to use that word. It seems like he is wanting to discommunicate with some.

Has the book been sent to the printer yet?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto

Well, I'm a bit of a Iconoclast myself, so I find it quite ridiculous how words always get certain values; like in this case apparently the word 'manifesto' immediately refers to communist revolution.

In Dutch we'd say 'handvest' to manifesto and first thing I would think of is the manifesto of the United Nations. One can always interpret things in ones own way. If he would have called it the 'Credo', perhaps some religious people would say it's blasphemy.

Just my 5 cents from communist Netherlands :)

ValidusCustodiae
02-01-2008, 04:27 PM
For those of us raised during the Cold War era the word "manifesto" has somewhat of a foreboding tenor. Surely Dr. Paul knows that.

I am trying to figure out why Dr. Paul has to use that word. It seems like he is wanting to discommunicate with some.

Has the book been sent to the printer yet?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto

19 total posts by moonshine.

Trolls tend to have a hard time camouflaging.

Gadsdenfly
02-01-2008, 04:27 PM
http://www.amazon.com/New-Liberty-Libertarian-Manifesto/dp/0930073029

GHoeberX
02-01-2008, 04:27 PM
most people are brainwashed about the cold war communism.......
manifesto is a word.....
everything communist is NOT "evil"....just because te word was associated with them does not mean the word has new meaning....wow we still have yet to come out of the Mccarthy era ...and here we want others to open their eyes........

I got the same impression. That some people are a bit too brainwashed about this. I don't see communism as evil; it's just a system which doesn't work. And the communist manifesto wasn't written by the devil, but by some folks who weren't very good in understanding human nature.

wildboar
02-01-2008, 04:30 PM
he rewrote the Declaration of Independence and Common Sense to bring them up-to-date.

seeker1
02-01-2008, 04:34 PM
19 total posts by moonshine.

Trolls tend to have a hard time camouflaging.

Before you troll hunters don't call someone a troll for asking a question.

Don't you have anything else to do?:rolleyes:

nightlight
02-01-2008, 04:45 PM
He is reclaiming the terms "manifesto" and "revolution" from the neo-commies just as he wants us to reclaim back our country, our economy, our money, our liberty. It is a 'coded message' to them and they know it.

Our constitution and liberty came from the revolution. That's ours and we are taking it back. Trust the good doctor. He knows what he is doing.

CrazyRonPaulSupporter
02-01-2008, 04:46 PM
I love that the word "Manifesto" is included in the title. It sends out a strong signal of significance. It sends out that this will be read and heard even 300+ years from now. It sends out that the person or group that wrote it have something important to say, even if you like it or not. So no matter how people try to spin that word, it's a net positive. :)

The book title alone will also draw a lot of non Ron Paul supporters to buy the book, just wait and see.



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