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Mom4Ron
08-06-2007, 10:08 AM
I spent several hours last night after work, standing in the parking lot talking politics and current events with a patron who said he was leaning towards Obama.

This guy was hard to peg. He was so knowledgeable about so many things but saw both sides to so many issues. Unions are bad, but unions are good, I'd join one if asked because I've benefited from there work, etc.

He's been watching politics since before I was born and he's disgusted with the current crop on both sides.

I happened to have some trifolds with me so I gave him one to look at later. He kept looking at it while we were talking and Ron Paul kept coming back into the conversation.

Eventually, I mentioned the 9/11 theories and Alex Jones. He rolled his eyes when I mentioned them and I told him that when he goes to check out Ron Paul, he will likely come across people saying that he's a truther. I explained to him that RP does not believe that the government had anything to do with planning the wtc attacks, but that he still talks to these people and hears them out.

This just lit this fellow up! Apparently this struck a personal nerve with him. "That's what we need!" he exclaimed. "Just because they don't agree with someone doesn't mean that those people's voices shouldn't be heard!" He was so excited about a statesman who actually listened to people with whom he disagrees!

That led us to a discussion about the earmarks thing. I didn't even have to say it. He said it for me. "It's not his job to summarily dismiss the will of his constituents just because he disagrees with it and he should pass their requests up the line and let them be considered by the entire body."

He disagrees with the fact that he's never voted for gun control, but added that even if he disagrees with him on some issues, if the man is a principled as he sounds, he might just have to register (R) and support him in the primaries. :D

Kregener
08-06-2007, 10:15 AM
Your friend sounds like a Utopian bliss-ninny, but one can always hope the lights come on.

Mom4Ron
08-06-2007, 10:41 AM
Hahahaha A utopian bliss-ninny? I don't think I've ever heard that before.

Like I said, he was really hard to peg, but if he votes for Ron Paul in the primaries, he can be whatever he wants. :)

lucius
08-06-2007, 11:00 AM
I spent several hours last night after work, standing in the parking lot talking politics and current events with a patron who said he was leaning towards Obama.

This guy was hard to peg. He was so knowledgeable about so many things but saw both sides to so many issues. Unions are bad, but unions are good, I'd join one if asked because I've benefited from there work, etc.

He's been watching politics since before I was born and he's disgusted with the current crop on both sides.

I happened to have some trifolds with me so I gave him one to look at later. He kept looking at it while we were talking and Ron Paul kept coming back into the conversation.

Eventually, I mentioned the 9/11 theories and Alex Jones. He rolled his eyes when I mentioned them and I told him that when he goes to check out Ron Paul, he will likely come across people saying that he's a truther. I explained to him that RP does not believe that the government had anything to do with planning the wtc attacks, but that he still talks to these people and hears them out.

This just lit this fellow up! Apparently this struck a personal nerve with him. "That's what we need!" he exclaimed. "Just because they don't agree with someone doesn't mean that those people's voices shouldn't be heard!" He was so excited about a statesman who actually listened to people with whom he disagrees!

That led us to a discussion about the earmarks thing. I didn't even have to say it. He said it for me. "It's not his job to summarily dismiss the will of his constituents just because he disagrees with it and he should pass their requests up the line and let them be considered by the entire body."

He disagrees with the fact that he's never voted for gun control, but added that even if he disagrees with him on some issues, if the man is a principled as he sounds, he might just have to register (R) and support him in the primaries. :D

I agree with you, Americans have been so trained to polarize issues, but in the current political climate it doesn't added up, this polarization technique is now apparent, almost self-evident. The guy next to me at the gas pump remarked, we went over 'there' to steal the oil, but I am now paying $65 to fill-up my truck--something is not right? What a great Dr. Paul introduction; a card and homemade DVD and I think we gained another convert. Amazing to see a 'red blooded American redneck' say we need to get the troops home NOW!

We own a small spa near a military hospital and few bases, we offer active/retired military discounts to all. It breaks your heart to see these many young boys come to us seeking relief from lost limbs etc... and pay for it out of their own pockets; water/steam therapy is great relief for them.

Anti Federalist
03-25-2009, 09:53 PM
Relevancy bump

nobody's_hero
03-26-2009, 04:43 AM
I am persuaded myself that the good sense of the people will always be found to be the best army. They may be led astray for a moment, but will soon correct themselves. The people are the only censors of their governors: and even their errors will tend to keep these to the true principles of their institution. To punish these errors too severely would be to suppress the only safeguard of the public liberty. The way to prevent these irregular interpositions of the people is to give them full information of their affairs thro' the channel of the public papers, and to contrive that those papers should penetrate the whole mass of the people. The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. – Thomas Jefferson

akihabro
03-26-2009, 05:14 AM
Good job!

Conza88
03-26-2009, 05:22 AM
Ahhh, wonder what that guy thinks NOW! 2 years later.

He's probably telling everyone Jones is correct.

There is a move towards world government. etc. Handing out the Obama deception.. lol

jmdrake
03-26-2009, 12:06 PM
Ahhh, wonder what that guy thinks NOW! 2 years later.

He's probably telling everyone Jones is correct.

There is a move towards world government. etc. Handing out the Obama deception.. lol

Yep. Which is why its important to get the information out. With all of the talk in the media now about a "global currency" AJ is looking VERY credible these days. Two years ago if you said there was a plan for global currency you were a "conspiracy theorist". Well who's the "theorist" now?

Xenophage
03-26-2009, 12:09 PM
Alex Jones is a fruitcake.

Galileo Galilei
03-26-2009, 12:25 PM
Good work. It is easier to prove to someone a fact, than to change someone's opinion. The best way to change someone's opinion is to prove facts to them that lead to the new opinion.

The reality is, most people have heard Ron Paul's opinions. They are going to agree or disagree.

The only realistic hope to change opinions against big governemt to to show people the facts about 9/11. As long as most people still believe that evil foreign terrorists surprise attacked us on 9/11, most poeple are not going to agree with Ron Paul and his ideas on smaller government.

9/11 Truth facts destroy big government ideas about war and socialism. People who know the truth about 9/11, that the federal government commits mass murder, are not going to want the same governent running their life and running their health care.

The main reason why the times of the founding fathers were more libertarian than today, is that we didn't have any founding fathers committing mass murder or false flag terrorism.

The loss of liberty in our society can be traced to one underlying cause; false-flag terrorism. All other causes follow.

Slutter McGee
03-26-2009, 12:55 PM
Truthers are a source of respect and frustration to myself.

I have had to deal with many many people coming to the conclusion that because I supported and still support the good Doctor, I must be a 911 truther. They have in my opinion, run many people away from the campaign.

On the other hand, anyone who questions the government as much as these guys deserves my respect. And I have no problem allying myself with them.

I think it comes down to this. The 911/Alex Jones crowd believes that government is conspiring and is conciously evil. I believe that government is incompetent and unconcously evil.

But we agree that government should be challeneged. So I have no problem with the truthers, allthough I do find it necessary to tell them to shut their trap every now and then.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

jmdrake
03-26-2009, 04:53 PM
Anti truthers are a source of respect and frustration to myself.

I have had to deal with many people coming to the conclusion that they need to try to tell other people what to do and think. In all of the cold calls and district walks I did during the campaign I never once ran into anyone that said they wouldn't vote for Dr. Paul because of the 9/11 truth issue! I ran into several people that thought Dr. Paul's "blowback theory" was "un American". I ran into people that thought Dr. Paul wouldn't protect us from those "evil Islamists". I ran into one person that mistakenly thought Dr. Paul supported gay marriage. (He actually supports leaving the issue up to the states). And I ran into people that thought Dr. Paul had "dropped out of the race". (Thank the deceitful mainstream media for that one).

Still I can respect those that can come to the conclusion that we don't need an expansionist foreign policy even if they don't fully comprehend the nature of the evil we are facing.

But for the record, I don't think Dr. Paul believes the government is "unconsciously evil". While he hasn't fully embraced 9/11 truth, he has publicly talked about many other CONSCIOUS conspiracies such as the North American Union. What's happening in this world is no accident. The sooner you understand that the clearer the world becomes.

Regards,

John M. Drake

Conza88
03-26-2009, 08:10 PM
Alex Jones is a fruitcake.

He's been more correct than you have.

Enjoy your salad. :rolleyes:

So, you don't think there is a move towards world government? Wow, you're an idiot.

Athan
03-26-2009, 09:18 PM
The problem with being a 9/11 truther is that your burden is to prove the government was complicit in a massive attack against the U.S. That is probably a hill that doesn't need to be climbed because you FIRST must gain access to the halls of government in such a number that you can reveal all classified information that you please.

I don't brush them off, but they are trying to prove their point in the most difficult way possible.

ClayTrainor
03-26-2009, 09:45 PM
The problem with being a 9/11 truther is that your burden is to prove the government was complicit in a massive attack against the U.S. That is probably a hill that doesn't need to be climbed because you FIRST must gain access to the halls of government in such a number that you can reveal all classified information that you please.

I don't brush them off, but they are trying to prove their point in the most difficult way possible.

well said!