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akalucas
02-01-2008, 05:55 AM
-I took the averages of polls done this week for states voting on Feb 5th from Real Clear politics for each candidate

-I then awarded the Delegates accordingly by taking into account states that go by winner take all, Proportional delegate and special rules.

-I know some of the delegates wont be voted on to later but this is an estimate of what is going to be reported in the news.

Heres some cool facts that I found out when shifting through all this

PAUL STUFF:
*Paul is polling about 5% in: California, Colorado, Minnesota, Missouri,
*Paul is Polling about 6% in: New Jersey and Oklahoma
*Paul is Polling about 10% in: Illinois and Tennessee
*everything else is 3% or lower.

ROMNEY STUFF:
*The states Romney is winning are not winner take all states except Utah.
----the states he is winning are: Colorado(43%), Massachusetts(57%) and Utah(65%)
*In states where Romney is coming in 2nd he is always pretty far behind.
----The closest was by 8% in California and Illinois and 9% in Missouri.
----The rest of the states where he's coming in 2nd he is 15 to 20% behind 1st place. Romney is coming in 2nd in 7 states

HUCKABEE STUFF:
*Huckabee is winning in about 4 states with two too close to call but they're worth a lot of delegates. These states are: Georgia (72 deleg), Arkansas (34), Missouri (58 winner take all), and very close in Alabama (48). Missouri and Alabama too close to call but will add one state to his total.

McCAIN STUFF:
*Mccain wining in 10 states with 5 being winner take all. Very close to also winning Missouri which is winner take all and Alabama. Will add one of these to his total.
*In states where he's winning he has a average lead of 13-15% with 5 states being around 18-20% lead.

Ok, here's a rough estimate of what the delegate count is going to be and includes already given delegates. 208 Delegates been played for already and 1081 are at stake during Feb. 5th

McCain: 610 Delegates
Romney: 358 Delegates
Huckabee: 265 Delegates
Paul: 56 Delegates
if there's much movement here it will be between McCain and Huck since they're basically tied in two states. Also, Pauls numbers will be higher if he does well in caucus states.

If you only count winner take all states and not the other states with other variables to see how everyone stands, it would look something like this:

McCain: 313 (him winning in states that are winner take all is really helping)
Huckabee: 92
Romney: 36
Paul: 0

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Total Delegate played for after Feb 5th: 1289
Total left after Feb 5th: 1091
Total when its all done: 2380

There are 5 Caucuses in Super Tuesday:
Alaska, Colorado, Minnesota, Montana and North Dakota

Alaska, Montana, N. Dakota and W. Virginia where not taken into consideration since I could not find polling data. That would be cool if someone could.

Paul's one is hard to figure since he comes in last in most states and there's different rules for each state concerning the minimum percentage he needs to get delegates. Also Alaska is not taken into consideration since I have no Polling data from there. Another factor is that he does better in Caucuses and 4 out of the 5 have no polling data that I can find. He will get much more if he does good in Cali and Alaska. Remember, this is an estimation of what the media will report.

Actual delegates that support Paul will be way higher and may be significant in a broken convention. Also the network, the money the grassroots can generate and all the precinct captains that will have grown will be worth a lot to the person that is nominated if its not Paul. There's no question that if we go all the way and keep growing the nominee will have to cater to us (prob by appointing Paul VP) and mold their ideas more to our liking. By then we will be representing 10-15% of republicans and there's no way we are going to vote Republican if Paul is not included in the ticket.

If Paul doesnt win or get chosen for VP the Republicans will not win, largely due to us and we would have planted the seeds to be even a bigger force in 2 years and 4 years from now. Slowly we will inject our people in congress, senate and state offices until we take America back. Im pretty sure the GOP knows this and it scares the s*&t out of them. This movement toward a more constitutional government will never end if guys dont want it to.


sorry for all the grammar errors. It's really late at night.

Royksopp
02-01-2008, 06:08 AM
Alaska, Alabama, Washington, Maine and Minnesota are apparently all winnable I have heard.

So lets pay for the ads to make it over there

www.ronpaul2008.com/donate

needed now more than ever.

akalucas
02-01-2008, 06:15 AM
Definitely need to focus on caucus states and where we have 10% or more. Not sure about Alabama though.

Alabama:
Feb 5th
open primary

McCain 27.7%
Huckabee 26.3%
Romeny 12.7%
Paul 3%

Royksopp
02-01-2008, 06:16 AM
Definitely need to focus on caucus states and where we have 10% or more. Not sure about Alabama though.

Alabama:
Feb 5th
open primary

McCain 27.7%
Huckabee 26.3%
Romeny 12.7%
Paul 3%

Source?

akalucas
02-01-2008, 06:18 AM
Source?

sorry about that. here it is.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/al/alabama_republican_primary-280.html

raystone
02-01-2008, 06:18 AM
great analysis ! with McCain's current 95 delegates, and adding this estimate of 610, this thing isn't over after Feb 5th.


this also might fill in some of the gaps. http://www.redtelegram.com/

akalucas
02-01-2008, 06:21 AM
great analysis ! with McCain's current 95 delegates, and adding this estimate of 610, this thing isn't over after Feb 5th.


this also might fill in some of the gaps. http://www.redtelegram.com/

ya, a lot of delegates for play after feb 5th. the estimate of 610 includes the 95 he already had, so even better.

Give me liberty
02-01-2008, 06:24 AM
Paul: 56 Delegates is not a win, sorry i dont buy this.

stevedasbach
02-01-2008, 06:25 AM
great analysis ! with McCain's current 95 delegates, and adding this estimate of 610, this thing isn't over after Feb 5th.


this also might fill in some of the gaps. http://www.redtelegram.com/

I'm not sure how much stock you should put in that analysis. His model predicted 9% in Florida verses 3% actual.

freedom-maniac
02-01-2008, 06:29 AM
56 delegates sounds pretty nice. Not great, not at all, but it prooves that Dr. Paul is more than an irritating rash on the GOP, he's someone who has the power to shake things up.

Doing some math, this means RP's getting about 17% of the delegates. Now what he needs to do is threaten to run as an Indepedent after Super Tuesday. Not announce, just threaten.

Seeing 17% of the already diminished party ready to leave, and looking at 4 to 8 years of http://www.newslose.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/hillary_clinton.jpg the Republican voters in the subsequent states will be forced to choose between RP and Billary. I hope to God that they can overlook Hill's support of the continued warfare state, to RP's objection to socialism, and give him the delegates he needs to win.

Give me liberty
02-01-2008, 06:30 AM
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56 isnt nice, sorry but i still dont like it.

akalucas
02-01-2008, 06:37 AM
I'm not sure how much stock you should put in that analysis. His model predicted 9% in Florida verses 3% actual.

agree, the analysis at redtelegram.com is too optimistic. Wining the state of Oklahoma and gaining all 41 delegates is not likely since Paul has 6% and is not a winner take all state, for instance.

r3volution1776
02-01-2008, 07:25 AM
by the way, if you read ron pauls emails and consider that he thinks we won a third of the delegates in nevada 15, may win maine or come close at least 10, probably around 10 in LA, and maybe 10 in iowa, then we already have close to the amount you say even before super tuesday, if you look at the strategy, we are going for delegates, not the straw polls and the popular votes that the media reports on...

CelestialRender
02-01-2008, 07:35 AM
Good analysis. I think we'll fair better than predicted (though slightly), since we actually have the money for ad time. But we'll see how it works out.

Needless to say, Super Tuesday doesn't end this thing anyways. Neither does 11/4/2008, for that matter.

akalucas
02-01-2008, 07:38 AM
by the way, if you read ron pauls emails and consider that he thinks we won a third of the delegates in nevada 15, may win maine or come close at least 10, probably around 10 in LA, and maybe 10 in iowa, then we already have close to the amount you say even before super tuesday, if you look at the strategy, we are going for delegates, not the straw polls and the popular votes that the media reports on...

ya, you're right. Thats why I said in the second to the last paragraph that actual RP delegates supporters are higher. most of those supporters, though, might not be able to vote for Paul cause they're binded to certain candidates. Thats why its important for there to be a broken convention, thus the reason for my analysis. It shows that there's still a good possibility of a broken convention after feb 5th, even though McCain is doing real good in polls. Hopefully everything works out for the best.

what we want is to have no candidate get more than 50% of the delegates coming into the convention.

akalucas
02-01-2008, 08:32 AM
anybody know what happens to Rudy's and Fred's delegates now that they're out? Are they free to choose who they want at the convention?

akalucas
02-01-2008, 04:59 PM
bump