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gb13
01-31-2008, 01:13 AM
Anyone know which country is the most libertarian country in the world?

Which country has:

* The most personal/individual freedom
* The most respect for civil liberties
* The most limited government
* The most respect for its constitution
* The most economic freedom
* The lowest taxes
* Sound money

Are there any little-known gems in the world?

I vote for America, but our freedom is fading fast here. I've heard that Ireland, Switzerland, and The Bahamas are all fairly libertarian. I don't know too much about the subject though.

Is America still the freest nation on earth?

If not, which country gets your vote, and why?

Ron2Win
01-31-2008, 01:14 AM
Free? You need a "permit" for everything here in a America.

AKBryant54
01-31-2008, 01:16 AM
This is relevant to my interests.

bcreps85
01-31-2008, 01:17 AM
I don't know about overall, but I don't plan on learning a foreign language, and I have heard that Mauritius and New Zealand are nice.

athlon64bit
01-31-2008, 01:18 AM
Switzerland is the closest to what you describe.
One hundred or so years ago I would have said america.

gb13
01-31-2008, 01:20 AM
Free? You need a "permit" for everything here in a America.

I agree; we're not free. But, compared to a lot of other countries, we are better off as citizens here. We still have the freest system I know about.

I'm looking for contradictions to my supposition.

bcreps85
01-31-2008, 01:23 AM
I agree; we're not free. But, compared to a lot of other countries, we are better off as citizens here. We still have the freest system I know about.

I'm looking for contradictions to my supposition.

We are rapidly getting worse though, as we have been for some time. Give it a while.

majinkoola
01-31-2008, 01:24 AM
Economically Lithuania seems like it is moving toward libertarian policies. And prospering a lot, obviously.

gb13
01-31-2008, 01:26 AM
We are rapidly getting worse though, as we have been for some time. Give it a while.

I agree. As I said in my first post, we are losing our freedoms fast here. If things go on the way they have been, I think we are all in for a terrible turn of events in America. Things could get really ugly.

PauliticsPolitics
01-31-2008, 01:26 AM
http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/rankings.html
top ten
1 Estonia
2 Ireland
3 Canada
4 Switzerland
5 Iceland
6 Bahamas
7 United Kingdom
8 United States
9 Cyprus
10 New Zealand

daviddee
01-31-2008, 01:27 AM
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steph3n
01-31-2008, 01:27 AM
Switzerland is the closest to what you describe.
One hundred or so years ago I would have said america.

just go 5kph over the speed limit and see how free they are!

steph3n
01-31-2008, 01:29 AM
Switzerland is really the only other option.

Most the entire first world gets wiped out with their gun laws, taxation, and social welfare programs.

As a last note on Switzerland... There is a very high barrier to entry. Most Americans could never afford to move there. I have debated moving there many times and it always comes down to weather. If Switzerland has a better climate I would have moved there 10 years ago.

I don't think people here know how strict the swiss laws and police enforcement are, people there end up with 20,000 franc fines for speeding about 30km/h (18 or so mph) over, that is over $18,000 people!! That is not freedom, that is insanity!

Maverick
01-31-2008, 01:29 AM
Anyone know which country is the most libertarian country in the world?

Nevada, apparently :p

daviddee
01-31-2008, 01:35 AM
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steph3n
01-31-2008, 01:37 AM
As opposed to life in prison in the USA for drug possession?

Most all crimes in Switzerland are civil offenses ($$$) where everything in this country is criminal + civil (we lock you up and take all of your shit).

As to the speeding fines... You have to look at this from the Swiss perspective. The Swiss would ask, "What right do you have to kill or endanger the life of an another Swiss citizen with your speeding on snow filled/icy road?". This is also why abortion was illegal in Switzerland for a very, very long time. The mindset was, "What right do you have to kill an unborn Swiss citizen?"

Your 20,000 franc fine for 30km/h is out of control. As it is usually 1500 francs for 30km over.

The area where the Swiss fail is they have adopted the UK's method of speed cams everywhere. So if you are speeding you will get a ticket in the mail.

yep and non citizen = substandard person, literally.

oh and the roads aren't icy all the time so that isn't an excuse :)

gb13
01-31-2008, 01:38 AM
http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/rankings.html

Ireland as #2, followed by Switzerland, and Canada.. Wow! America is only number 8.

Switzerland has $18,000 speeding tickets? Damn... I'd go broke in 2 months. Their climate is pretty rough, and they're landlocked, too. But, Ireland is supposed to be beautiful all year round.

daviddee
01-31-2008, 01:39 AM
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daviddee
01-31-2008, 01:41 AM
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daviddee
01-31-2008, 01:43 AM
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Malum Prohibitum
01-31-2008, 01:44 AM
I dont suppose any of those on this list are common law countries with a constitutional right to the tools of self defense?

Switzerland may have good banking and lots of guns, but they are NOT libertarian. They take their laws VERY seriously, and you can run afoul of them for very minor issues.

steph3n
01-31-2008, 01:49 AM
I dont suppose any of those on this list are common law countries with a constitutional right to the tools of self defense?

Switzerland may have good banking and lots of guns, but they are NOT libertarian. They take their laws VERY seriously, and you can run afoul of them for very minor issues.

That was my point in saying it is not libertarian.
Libertarian would not have the citizen/non citizen divide such as them.

In addition the remove rights and privileges for the most minor offenses.
David's replies on "your speeding endangering" yadda yadda isn't very libertarian either, since their cameras dont care if it is an empty road at 4am or a crowded road at 6pm, not to mention they even ticket 'unauthorized' uturns via these cameras. :rolleyes:

daviddee
01-31-2008, 01:51 AM
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daviddee
01-31-2008, 01:53 AM
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steph3n
01-31-2008, 01:55 AM
The cams violate our constitutional rights and that is why I am against them here... You have the right to face your accuser. This is not possible with a camera... and this is why I live in a state that does not allow cameras.

I was merely explaining the "Swiss mindset". My comments are 100% on point... in regards to how the Swiss think.

and their mindset is NOT libertarian!

RonPaulVolunteer
01-31-2008, 01:58 AM
New Zealand won't be in the top 10 for long.

As someone that has travelled the world and lived in 5 countries, I can assure you, there's no way in God's green earth that America is freeier than NZ. The US is the most restrictive country I have ever lived in. Period.

gb13
01-31-2008, 01:59 AM
The cams violate our constitutional rights and that is why I am against them here... You have the right to face your accuser. This is not possible with a camera... and this is why I live in a state that does not allow cameras.

I was merely explaining the "Swiss mindset". My comments are 100% on point... in regards to how the Swiss think.

I agree about the cameras. Totally bogus.

daviddee
01-31-2008, 02:00 AM
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daviddee
01-31-2008, 02:02 AM
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steph3n
01-31-2008, 02:04 AM
Sure they are.

It is clear your view of Libertarians is incomplete or one sided.

Please review:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian

Please review:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequentialist

It appears you are confusing Libertarians with Anarchists.

look, I am not trying to argue but libertarian minded candidates in the Swiss elections gain 5-10% support and that is it, that is not much different than here.
I know what the libertarian platforms are, and I don't agree with their open borders policies I do like the swiss means on this, but calling it libertarian in nature is wrong. They are also moving much more toward the EU :(

Malum Prohibitum
01-31-2008, 02:04 AM
Sure they are.

It is clear your view of Libertarians is incomplete or one sided.

Please review:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian

Please review:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequentialist

It appears you are confusing Libertarians with Anarchists.

In my vision of ordered liberty, 'ordered' is a supporting adjective, not the center of the phrase. Switzerland is a land of libertied order. Ill pass.

jeffhenderson
01-31-2008, 02:08 AM
I live in Canada. The fact that Canada got #3 on that list proves that the ranking method is severely flawed.

Malum Prohibitum
01-31-2008, 02:08 AM
My question was really serious. Is there any other nation in the top 10 that is a common law nation and has a constitutionally guaranteed right to arms that cant be easily disassembled?

daviddee
01-31-2008, 02:08 AM
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Malum Prohibitum
01-31-2008, 02:09 AM
I live in Canada. The fact that Canada got #3 on that list proves that the ranking method is severely flawed.

I think the list considers only economic freedom. Money is only half the equation.

daviddee
01-31-2008, 02:10 AM
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steph3n
01-31-2008, 02:15 AM
Your last sentence is spot on.

Switzerland will continue to fall into the Abyss (the EU)... You can not be surrounded by a cesspool on all sides and not be influenced by it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4612281.stm

being forced upon them as much as anything.

Malum Prohibitum
01-31-2008, 02:16 AM
Hey, there are alot of places that used to under British dominion. No need to get testy.

I suppose I'll have to cross my fingers and stay here then, and pick the freeest state in the union to hide in.

Thats a debate we should have as well.

Im actually tempted to move to the state that gets the highest RP numbers in their primary.

steph3n
01-31-2008, 02:16 AM
Hey, there are alot of places that used to under British dominion. No need to get testy.

I suppose I'll have to cross my fingers and stay here then, and pick the freeest state in the union to hide in.

Thats a debate we should have as well.

Im actually tempted to move to the state that gets the highest RP numbers in their primary.

Sounds like you may like the Kingdom of Nye :D only issue is that the feds own the vast majority of the land there

Malum Prohibitum
01-31-2008, 02:18 AM
Sounds like you may like the Kingdom of Nye :D only issue is that the feds own the vast majority of the land there

Dude, Nevada would be PERFECT if it 1. had some friggin water, and 2. got rid of Vegas.

daviddee
01-31-2008, 02:19 AM
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steph3n
01-31-2008, 02:21 AM
Your options in the USA are (my opinion):

Florida
Texas
Nevada
Tennessee

Of these Florida and Nevada are the best options.

Again, this is my opinion and it is influences by weather, taxes, guns, and a few other issues.

I like Texas far better, less expensive to live and much better land options :D

daviddee
01-31-2008, 02:23 AM
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expatriot
01-31-2008, 02:26 AM
Dude, Nevada would be PERFECT if it 1. had some friggin water, and 2. got rid of Vegas.

Water is a problem, but all Vegas needs is a Duncan Hunter- type fence around it.:D

cindy25
01-31-2008, 02:27 AM
Switzerland has conscription.
NZ has high taxes.

don't just go by what the law is in a certain country but if the law is enforced. In Latin countries taxes and other laws are just ignored.

steph3n
01-31-2008, 02:27 AM
The land options I agree on.

Price is not a factor...

Texas fails for me because of the southern invasion (I don't speak spanish - nor desire to)

:eek: have you been to florida?!?! I don't speak spanish and find it MUCH harder here than anywhere in TX! I refuse to speak spanish I should say

Malum Prohibitum
01-31-2008, 02:28 AM
Your options in the USA are (my opinion):

Florida
Texas
Nevada
Tennessee

Of these Florida and Nevada are the best options.

Again, this is my opinion and it is influenced by weather, taxes, guns, and a few other issues.

Ive added a few to that list. Currently on the table for consideration include WA, ID, MT, UT, NV, MO, TX, TN.

Florida is just way too full of cops who are overzealous at best and completely corrupt at worst.

TX has alot going for it. Yeah, its hot, and they also have their own share of Neocons and overzealous cops, but you cant beat the pay to cost of living ratio, and I love east texas greenery. Unfortunately I sent 150 resumes to the DFW area and got zilch response.

There are opportunities in NV, and their government is great. Sadly their climate blows.

TN - I dont have enough info to make a judgment on, but my gut says low economic opportunity for a lawyer, and pretty densely populated.

The mountain states are friggin beautiful, but how to find a decent job...

Missouri is kind of a balance of all of it.

Picking a home for the next 40 years is hard.

steph3n
01-31-2008, 02:30 AM
Ive added a few to that list. Currently on the table for consideration include WA, ID, MT, UT, NV, MO, TX, TN.

Florida is just way too full of cops who are overzealous at best and completely corrupt at worst.

TX has alot going for it. Yeah, its hot, and they also have their own share of Neocons and overzealous cops, but you cant beat the pay to cost of living ratio, and I love east texas greenery. Unfortunately I sent 150 resumes to the DFW area and got zilch response.

There are opportunities in NV, and their government is great. Sadly their climate blows.

TN - I dont have enough info to make a judgment on, but my gut says low economic opportunity for a lawyer, and pretty densely populated.

The mountain states are friggin beautiful, but how to find a decent job...

Missouri is kind of a balance of all of it.

Picking a home for the next 40 years is hard.

any law specialty? I know some places that could use some lawyers in TX :D

daviddee
01-31-2008, 02:31 AM
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steph3n
01-31-2008, 02:32 AM
I live in Florida. Your opinions are obviously formed from the Miami area.

I have been to Miami like a total of 3 times. Not high on my list of places to visit.

West Coast Florida... Tampa to Pensacola. Check it out.

I am not fond of the ocean :D
Yea miami is where business holds me down. I agree with Tancredo, the people aren't even friendly here :( Actually some of those from Argentina are friendly and beautiful too :)

daviddee
01-31-2008, 02:33 AM
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daviddee
01-31-2008, 02:34 AM
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Malum Prohibitum
01-31-2008, 02:36 AM
any law specialty? I know some places that could use some lawyers in TX :D

I dont have a speciality yet. I graduate in May. I am interested in practicing either criminal defense (particularly *malum prohibitum* offenses), and torts (plaintiffs side torts and contract claims). Or it would be great to get involved in working in house for some tech company.

In a perfect world, Id eventually run a practice keeping .gov off of little guys' backs and help make it right when the little guy or business is screwed by some random .corp.

Malum Prohibitum
01-31-2008, 02:48 AM
Weather is a huge issue so it wipes out a lot of your additions... for me at least.

Florida - big state. I have never had issues with the cop presence. This is one of the reasons why I moved here (came from the North East - pig heaven)

Missouri - Everyone I have met who moved from Missouri was a quality person. Most end up going back to Missouri... so that means something :)

Yeah, the hot weather is more problematic for me than the cold. I can always put on more clothes, but once naked, if youre still freaking hot, you can suck it up or die.

Funny, since at least half the random tasing videos I see come from Florida. Im also somewhat concerned that the entire state will be under water before I die. Is there one spot in the entire state more than 200 feet above sea level?

I grew up in St. Louis, and we have our share of dirtbags like everywhere else, but MO has some benefits. Its not the freeest, or the best climate or economics wise, but a man can still buy a couple hundred acres on a river and be left alone outside the bigger cities, and MO has a series of amendments that limits state budget size to a percentage of the state gdp, after that they send out rebate checks. That counts for alot. Plus, thunderstorms are fun.

daviddee
01-31-2008, 03:02 AM
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OferNave
01-31-2008, 03:04 AM
http://freestateproject.org/
I made the move from Los Angeles, and I'm loving it.

daviddee
01-31-2008, 03:09 AM
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Malum Prohibitum
01-31-2008, 03:17 AM
I had 10 acres which abutted 500 acres of beef cattle laden pasture in Florida (sold in March of 2007) and I finishing up a new house that is on 7 acres and abuts another couple hundred of acres. So my land requirements have always been satisfied here. Compare this to the North East (where I left) with two acre zoning and if you could find land it was a couple hundred thousand per acre and you had no space around you. I was checking out land in Los Gatos, CA I found a lovely 25 acre lot... for $2.3M.

As to Florida being under water ;) If you believe in global warming/climate change that is your choice. If you further believe the oceans will rise and consume Florida that is also your choice. I have millions of dollars worth of real estate here and the thought of ocean levels rising is not an issue I bother to ponder... I just now checked and it appears I am 100 ft above sea level.

Tasing - Again, huge state... I would never live in area that was a police state. Comparing Miami to where I live is like saying, "San Diego sucks... Thus San Francisco must suck too".

There is no question that land prices in the west are insane, particularly so in CA. Im sure what drives it is a combination of .gov owning half of the land, then another huge chunk is mountains and then most of whats left is desert... That, combined with the draconian socialist .gov here is why Im ready to leave as soon as I find a economically viable alternative.

Its not so much that I buy the manmade global warming issue as much as I am aware that the climate is always changing, and 100 feet isnt all that much insurance, although it beats the hell out of 50 feet.

Thats an interesting point, since local police agencies do vary in their level of jackbootedness, though they tend to vary less within states than between them. Actually, you got it backwards :) San Francisco Sucks, San Diego is the best big city in the state!

Malum Prohibitum
01-31-2008, 03:18 AM
http://freestateproject.org/
I made the move from Los Angeles, and I'm loving it.

Ya know, I considered living on the NH coast, and working in Boston... Right up until the NH primary numbers came out.

Conza88
01-31-2008, 06:30 AM
http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/rankings.html = is SO WRONG its not funny.. the US as 6th.. and you're approaching facism, lmao. Bullshit it keeps 6th, and is better than Australia.

http://www.worldaudit.org/democracy.htm - Democracy / Press Freedom / Corruption
And I know the US ain't a democracy.. so don't go there, its irrelevant.

ountry


Democracy Rank Press Freedom Rank Corruption Rank
Finland 1 1 1
Denmark 2 2 1
Sweden 3 2 4
New Zealand 4 7 1
Switzerland 5 6 6
Netherlands 6 7 6
Norway 7 2 8
Canada 8 15 8
United Kingdom 9 18 11
Australia 9 23 10
Germany 11 11 13
Austria 12 23 12
Belgium 12 2 18
Ireland 14 11 14
United States 15 11 17
France 16 23 16
Portugal 17 9 23
Estonia 18 11 23

October 07.

familydog
01-31-2008, 07:10 AM
My vote is New Zealand. Their millions of sheep love liberty, unlike ours.

Moxxar
01-31-2008, 07:12 AM
How about economic freedom though conza? Because my country (the Netherlands) might be high up there with a free press and low corruption (this might be disputed though..) but you still have to pay 50% (to 60%) of your income in taxes.

Not exactly what you would call a liberty paradise. :(

noztnac
01-31-2008, 07:13 AM
Costa Rica

noztnac
01-31-2008, 07:14 AM
:eek: have you been to florida?!?! I don't speak spanish and find it MUCH harder here than anywhere in TX! I refuse to speak spanish I should say

Why do you refuse to speak Spanish? It's a cool language.

Dan Klaus
01-31-2008, 07:18 AM
Economically Lithuania seems like it is moving toward libertarian policies. And prospering a lot, obviously.


Taip, labai gerai....with an American as president no less?? Adamkus?

Sweman
01-31-2008, 07:23 AM
From a european view it looks like rural USA has a lot of live and let live. Am I right?

steph3n
01-31-2008, 07:30 AM
From a european view it looks like rural USA has a lot of live and let live. Am I right?

I'd say pretty much so, no police only sheriff and he only calls when you call them in, other than the game warden who pretty much has free reign of the land in every way, but only one of them in many miles of land.
He's a cool guy for the most part however, stopping people from illegally poaching animals off the backroads, I have no issue with this, the poachers don't respect private property.

fj45lvr
01-31-2008, 07:37 AM
I'd say most definetly it is a small third world nation where the people actually can do what they will with their lives (though there are risks not accustomed to) probably in Africa, Pacific Islands, or S. America

Seanmc30
01-31-2008, 07:47 AM
This is relevant to my interests.

HAHAHAHAHA...well said

ceakins
01-31-2008, 07:56 AM
I agree. As I said in my first post, we are losing our freedoms fast here. If things go on the way they have been, I think we are all in for a terrible turn of events in America. Things could get really ugly.


United Kingdom above the US? Let's see camera's everywhere, they can actually ban video games. Socialized medicine. You aren't allowed to own guns etc. I think this list is rather dubious.

jmunjr
01-31-2008, 09:50 AM
No, they are not icy all the time, but the fact remains that you do not have the right to endanger the life of another Swiss citizen with your driving habits.

So the Swiss government gets to decide who is endangering others?

I've driven aggressively and VERY fast nearly all my life. I zip in and out of traffic. I tailgate often. I'll break 100mph often, and easily go 60 in a 35 zone. Been doing it for at least 15 years if not more.

I used to drive like everyone else, and I got in a LOT of accidents. Driving aggressively make me a MUCH better driver, and I haven't been in an accident in a long, long time, back when I drove passively.

In fact, I've avoided plenty of crashes because of my driving "habits", and because of these habits I am way more attentive to the road than any driver who goes the speed limit and drives passively.

Do I endanger others? Not a chance. Would I be a danger to others if I drove like grandma? Absolutely. Paying attention is the most important aspect of driving, and in order to pay attention you have to have some stimuli. Driving like a drone doesn't help. Driving with some spunk does.

rxx
01-31-2008, 10:17 AM
So the Swiss government gets to decide who is endangering others?

I've driven aggressively and VERY fast nearly all my life. I zip in and out of traffic. I tailgate often. I'll break 100mph often, and easily go 60 in a 35 zone. Been doing it for at least 15 years if not more.

I used to drive like everyone else, and I got in a LOT of accidents. Driving aggressively make me a MUCH better driver, and I haven't been in an accident in a long, long time, back when I drove passively.

In fact, I've avoided plenty of crashes because of my driving "habits", and because of these habits I am way more attentive to the road than any driver who goes the speed limit and drives passively.

Do I endanger others? Not a chance. Would I be a danger to others if I drove like grandma? Absolutely. Paying attention is the most important aspect of driving, and in order to pay attention you have to have some stimuli. Driving like a drone doesn't help. Driving with some spunk does.

I live in Switzerland and it's not stricter than other countries.

The thing is that last year they decided to change the "system". Now there's something called "day/fine" : if you get caught speeding or drunk driving or anything like that, you get fined with "days". Then you can choose to:

a. spend these days in jail
b. pay the fine

Given your salary, you're assigned a "rate". The more you earn, the higher the rate (rates are ranging from 100 for low salaries to 30'000).

The fine is calculated by multiplying day*rate.
For exemple if you earn 2 days and your make peanuts, you're going to pay 200.-. But if you're Bill Gates, you'll have to 60'000.- or spend a couple of days in jail.

Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice
01-31-2008, 10:19 AM
wherever you have loss of physical freedom (high population density), you will lose other freedoms as well - economic, political, etc. since you are forced to compromise and legislate these agreements - as these people are never out of your physical space - and this inevitably leads to a type of socialism.

Malum Prohibitum
01-31-2008, 10:19 AM
I live in Switzerland and it's not stricter than other countries.

The thing is that last year they decided to change the "system". Now there's something called "day/fine" : if you get caught speeding or drunk driving or anything like that, you get fined with "days". Then you can choose to:

a. spend these days in jail
b. pay the fine

Given your salary, you're assigned a "rate". The more you earn, the higher the rate (rates are ranging from 100 for low salaries to 30'000).

The fine is calculated by multiplying day*rate.
For exemple if you earn 2 days and your make peanuts, you're going to pay 200.-. But if you're Bill Gates, you'll have to 60'000.- or spend a couple of days in jail.

Im sorry, but jail time for speeding qualifies as 'stricter than other countries'.

Vettezuki
09-20-2009, 04:10 AM
http://freestateproject.org/
I made the move from Los Angeles, and I'm loving it.

Do you still feel that way?

tremendoustie
09-20-2009, 12:19 PM
http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/rankings.html
top ten
1 Estonia
2 Ireland
3 Canada
4 Switzerland
5 Iceland
6 Bahamas
7 United Kingdom
8 United States
9 Cyprus
10 New Zealand

The UK beats the US? :confused: Don't they have cameras on every street corner and super high taxes there?

dude58677
09-20-2009, 12:48 PM
The UK beats the US? :confused: Don't they have cameras on every street corner and super high taxes there?

I would say none of these countries as most of them do not have a "individual right to bear arms provision" and the only one that does is Switzerland but they have military conscription.

TCE
09-20-2009, 08:20 PM
It's sad to see all of these people posting a year and a half ago who no longer do. Anyone know what happened to them?

raystone
09-20-2009, 08:45 PM
Considering central banks are at the root of taking our liberty, my vote goes to the only country in the world without a central bank...Panama.

http://mises.org/story/2533

"There is no deposit insurance and no lender of last resort, so banks have to act in a responsible manner. Any bad loans will be paid by the stockholders; no one will bail these banks out if they get into trouble."

sgc2c
12-13-2009, 12:04 AM
If you consider any country with ANY form of
national healthcare to be exempt from being
called libertarian at all, then I come up
with only one truly free nation left in
the world: the Cayman Islands.

Slist
12-13-2009, 02:37 AM
If Switzerland had a better climate I would have moved there 10 years ago.

Ok, depends on what you understand by better climate. There are regions like southern switzerland which you cannot compare to the rest (I live there).

It's called the "sonnenstube" (sun-room), it's at the italian border, people speak italian mostly, it's the only region where palms grow naturally, tourists love it for the weather and scenery... and the streets are covered in snow for lets say two-three days a year. And you are still connected to the rest of the world: milan for instance is a one hour drive.

But if you were looking for singapore climate you are right, switzerland is nothing for you :o

tangent4ronpaul
12-13-2009, 04:59 AM
While I didn't like some of their laws, I had to admire the Bahama's. It's not resolving for me right now, but the web site is:

http://www.bahamas.gov.bs/

You could print out ALL of their laws and comfortably carry them in your pocket. It might take you a few hours to read them all.

In the USA, to transport a copy all of the laws would take a 2 ton army truck, or more likely a small convoy. There would be more pages that a person could reasonably be able to read in a lifetime - yet ignorance of the law is no excuse...

I imagine there are other Island states that are more free than the Bahama's.

I love the Swiss voting system and political structure. The country is beautiful, yet it is very hard to get citizenship and they speak several languages - none of which are English.

Zimbabwe is completely free right now. It's also the wild, wild west. There is basically no government. You can do anything you want. But you better have a small private security force and a fortified base camp, or you won't live long. Total anarchy.

Then there is the north and south pole - where I don't think there are any laws - ditto the moon. But talk about a hostile climate!

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idiom
12-13-2009, 06:40 AM
New Zealand doesn't even have a Constitution. Not really. And whats the point? The only thing that is binding is the force of the vote.

Its a bit of a biased place to start, the places with no taxes etc have no constitution. I stopped travelling to America when they started fingerprinting me at the border.

Also on taxes here:


In New Zealand, the income is taxed by the amount that falls within each tax bracket. For example, if a person earns $70,000, they will only pay 33% on the amount that falls between $48,001 and $70,000 rather than paying this on the full $70,000. Consequently, the corresponding income tax for that specific income will accumulate to $16,150 or about 23% of the entire amount.

If you earn 45K p.a. you pay ~18% in taxes.

jsteilKS
12-14-2009, 07:09 PM
I'm going to say the Island of Nevis is the "most libertarian country in the world" and whats funny is that Alexander Hamilton's family inhabited the island.

There are no corporate income taxes, no stamp taxes, no withholding taxes, no personal income taxes, and no tax on assets based outside Nevis. Today, an International Business Corporation (IBC) can probably receive a guarantee against the future imposition of taxes from the government. Nevis has no tax treaties with any nation. Nevis government will not exchange tax information with any foreign revenue service.


more information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevis

Reminds me a lot of the early United States, they do have a constitution, laws based on British common law, history of independance.

lisaversa
06-09-2010, 07:47 PM
There was a comprehensive study on personal and economic freedoms, done by the Mercatus Institute, called "Freedom in the 50 States":

http://mercatus.org/sites/default/files/publication/Freedom_in_the_50_States.pdf

Here's an economic freedom study that ranks countries:

http://heritage.org/index/Ranking.aspx

libertybrewcity
06-10-2010, 08:36 PM
hong kong for sure.

Pennsylvania
06-11-2010, 12:53 PM
http://seasteading.org/

JohnRego
06-18-2010, 12:09 AM
How about Somalia? Customary Law for the win.

Pauls' Revere
06-18-2010, 01:25 AM
The 2006 State of World Liberty Index - The Most Libertarian ...

Global Liberty Rankings:

http://www.freewebs.com/globalliberty/rankings.htm


COUNTRIES LISTED BY RANK
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Countries listed by name
Continental and regional rankings

Rank Country Score
1 Estonia 85.25
2 Ireland 83.34
3 Canada 82.34
4 Switzerland 82.33
5 Iceland 82.27
6 Bahamas 82.12
7 United Kingdom 81.96
8 United States 81.96
9 Cyprus 81.65
10 New Zealand 81.24
11 Luxembourg 80.09
12 Chile 79.97
13 Australia 79.46
14 Hong Kong 79.25
15 Finland 78.96
16 Lithuania 77.49
17 Austria 77.27
18 Uruguay 77.14
19 Netherlands 76.72
20 Latvia 76.55
21 Germany 76.52
22 Denmark 76.48
23 Czech Rep., The 76.34
24 Hungary 76.19
25 Taiwan 75.73
26 Costa Rica 75.60
27 Slovakia 75.55
28 Portugal 74.92
29 Belgium 74.61
30 Malta 74.54
31 Norway 74.04
32 Cape Verde 74.01
33 Sweden 73.55
34 Spain 73.29
35 Japan 73.18
36 Panama 73.12
37 South Korea 72.85
38 Poland 72.81
39 El Salvador 72.53
40 Botswana 71.42
41 Italy 71.22
42 Barbados 70.84
43 Mauritius 70.77
44 Slovenia 69.90
45 Belize 69.38
46 Greece 69.18
47 South Africa 69.14
48 France 69.11
49 Singapore 68.72
50 Bulgaria 68.61
51 Trinidad & Tobago 68.08
52 Mexico 67.79
53 Jamaica 67.30
54 Israel 66.80
55 Mongolia 65.68
56 Dominican Rep., The 65.55
57 Peru 65.34
58 Georgia 65.27
59 Brazil 64.87
60 Ghana 64.75
61 Bolivia 63.98
62 Croatia 63.44
63 Romania 63.26
64 Argentina 63.02
65 Paraguay 62.77
66 Namibia 62.70
67 Macedonia 62.36
68 Bahrain 62.00
69 Madagascar 61.76
70 Papua New Guinea 61.61
71 Albania 61.35
72 Kuwait 61.16
73 Ecuador 61.11
74 Mali 60.66
75 Honduras 60.64
76 Thailand 60.11
77 Benin 60.06
78 India 59.48
79 Armenia 59.46
80 Nicaragua 59.41
81 Kenya 59.36
82 Senegal 59.31
83 Sri Lanka 59.17
84 Turkey 58.82
85 Philippines, The 58.10
86 Suriname 57.91
87 Ukraine 57.72
88 Indonesia 57.23
89 Bosnia & Herzegovina 57.01
90 Lesotho 56.52
91 Fiji 56.05
92 Guatemala 55.40
93 Moldova 55.10
94 Tanzania 54.69
95 United Arab Emirates 54.48
96 Malaysia 54.47
97 Guyana 53.90
98 Colombia 53.75
99 Jordan 53.31
100 Uganda 53.15
101 Niger 52.92
102 Mozambique 52.83
103 Oman 52.65
104 Zambia 52.30
105 Lebanon 50.56
106 Kyrgyzstan 50.12
107 Guinea-Bissau 49.80
108 Bangladesh 49.11
109 Sierra Leone 49.09
110 Morocco 47.75
111 Burkina Faso 47.72
112 Qatar 47.43
113 Nigeria 47.30
114 Burundi 46.31
115 Malawi 45.74
116 Cambodia 44.73
117 Mauritania 44.51
118 Venezuela 43.44
119 Djibouti 43.11
120 Tunisia 42.77
121 Pakistan 42.64
122 Saudi Arabia 42.56
123 Central African Rep. 42.14
124 Russia 42.07
125 Egypt 41.50
126 Gabon 41.28
127 The Gambia 40.72
128 Chad 39.88
129 Ivory Coast 39.76
130 Nepal 39.69
131 Rwanda 39.57
132 Kazakhstan 38.77
133 Swaziland 38.66
134 Cameroon 38.10
135 Algeria 37.60
136 Congo, Republic of 36.55
137 Azerbaijan 35.48
138 Ethiopia 35.40
139 Togo 35.39
140 Haiti 35.36
141 Tajikistan 34.79
142 Congo, Democratic Republic of 33.99
143 Guinea 33.52
144 Yemen 33.49
145 Angola 33.29
146 China 32.93
147 Iran 32.35
148 Vietnam 31.54
149 Syria 29.95
150 Equatorial Guinea 26.07
151 Zimbabwe 24.85
152 Uzbekistan 22.39
153 Belarus 21.69
154 Turkmenistan 21.07
155 Laos 20.59
156 Myanmar 18.87
157 Cuba 15.83
158 Libya 13.53
159 North Korea 6.80

Pauls' Revere
06-18-2010, 01:30 AM
AND THE WINNER IS?

ESTONIA!

http://footprints.blogs.com/estonia/2006/09/estonia_most_li.html

A new index created by the State of World Liberty Project (SoWL) ranked Estonia as the most libertarian country globally. The index "monitors the level of individual and economic freedom and limited government in countries around the world" and is a compilation of "four noted freedom indices".

These indices are: The Fraser Institute and The Cato Institute’s "2005 Economic Freedom of the World" index; The Heritage Foundation and The Wall Street Journal’s “2006 Index of Economic Freedom"; Freedom House’s "2005 Freedom in the World"; and Reporters without Borders’ "Press Freedom Index".