The Most Libertarian Country

[gb13]

Anyone know which country is the most libertarian country in the world?

Which country has:

* The most personal/individual freedom
* The most respect for civil liberties
* The most limited government
* The most respect for its constitution
* The most economic freedom
* The lowest taxes
* Sound money

Are there any little-known gems in the world?

I vote for America, but our freedom is fading fast here. I've heard that Ireland Switzerland, and The Bahamas are all fairly libertarian. I don't know too much about the subject though.

Is America still the freest nation on earth?

If not, which country gets your vote, and why?

[Jodi's mom]

Anyone know which country is the most libertarian country in the world?

Which country has:

* The most personal/individual freedom
* The most respect for civil liberties
* The most limited government
* The most respect for its constitution
* The most economic freedom
* The lowest taxes
* Sound money

Are there any little-known gems in the world?

I vote for America, but our freedom is fading fast here. I've heard that Ireland Switzerland, and The Bahamas are all fairly libertarian. I don't know too much about the subject though.

Is America still the freest nation on earth?

If not, which country gets your vote, and why?

Not sure about Ireland, but not just anyone can move to Switzerland or The Bahamas. You have to have a certain amount of income before they will allow you in. Same with Canada.

I doubt that America is still the freest nation on earth. Since the Patriot Act, we've lost a good measure of freedoms.

[youngbuck]

Should New Zealand be in there? I've heard in mentioned in similar context before.

[luis9343]

Anyone know which country is the most libertarian country in the world?

Which country has:

* The most personal/individual freedom
* The most respect for civil liberties
* The most limited government
* The most respect for its constitution
* The most economic freedom
* The lowest taxes
* Sound money

Are there any little-known gems in the world?

I vote for America, but our freedom is fading fast here. I've heard that Ireland Switzerland, and The Bahamas are all fairly libertarian. I don't know too much about the subject though.

Is America still the freest nation on earth?

If not, which country gets your vote, and why?

no way, after the patriot act we prolly the least freest nation. also, we have a lot more strict rules than Europe. like higher drinking are, higher driving, etc....no nudity on tv. not sure whitch is freest though, but i know Ron Paul admires Switzerland i think because of its liberatarianess.

[heath.whiteaker]

What about Austria?

[Truth Warrior]

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19669
According to this article, USA is #4, economic freedom wise.

[heath.whiteaker]

funny I dont think of Hong Kong or Singapore as FREE

[Redcard]

I think when you weigh it out, we're probably still on top of that list.

I mean, I can name a problem with every country you named. Switzerland has high taxes and requires you to be pretty wealthy to emmigrate. The Bahamas is completely corrupt. Singapore has a barbaric judicial system. New Zealand is pretty socialist. Austrailia will take your guns and is becoming more and more a nanny state.

It seems that the "less" government involved means that where the government is involved there is more corruption.

[Caulfield]

Costa Rica has a pretty large Libertarian Party in control. Also, Estonia was ranked the highest in terms of liberty: http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/rankings.html

[davver]

funny I dont think of Hong Kong or Singapore as FREE

They are the most free states in existance that have a population with 5 digits or more. Don't confuse democracy with freedom. They don't have democracy, but they have low taxes and low regulation. And while not being as good as having no pension plan, they have fully funded state pension plans, so they aren't going to just go bankrupt like we are.

Basically, as long as you leave the government alone they will leave you alone. That isn't have bad of a deal.

[Bradley in DC]

If you don't count Sealand, then Liechtenstein. :)

[steph3n]

If you don't count Sealand, then Liechtenstein. :)

might as well get a yacht and sail in international waters and call it YachtyLand if you count sealand :)

[Matt Collins]

If you don't count Sealand, I thought Sealand got burned up?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

http://www.sealandgov.org/

[Lord Mossofor]

Anyone know which country is the most libertarian country in the world?

Which country has:

* The most personal/individual freedom
* The most respect for civil liberties
* The most limited government
* The most respect for its constitution
* The most economic freedom
* The lowest taxes
* Sound money

Are there any little-known gems in the world?

I vote for America, but our freedom is fading fast here. I've heard that Ireland Switzerland, and The Bahamas are all fairly libertarian. I don't know too much about the subject though.

Is America still the freest nation on earth?

If not, which country gets your vote, and why?

No, the United States is NOT one of the freest nations in the world any longer. And that is one of the reasons I support Ron Paul, as I believe he is the only candidate genuinely interested in making our nation free again. Going through your points:

* The most personal/individual freedom
* The most respect for civil liberties

The Patriot Act allows the government to spy on us and arrest anyone they label to be a terrorist. On every Interstate highway there are hundreds of highway patrol officers harassing travellers and writing them speeding tickets. Many of our soldiers have been forced to go to Iraq to fight an unconstitutional war, many either do not return home or return home in a coffin. And millions of people with cancer are dying and thousands of people with glaucoma are going blind because very few states have legalized marijuana for medical purposes. There are politicians wishing to make it illegal for civilians to own guns and to defend themselves, a clear violation of the second ammendment. And gays and lesbians are denied the right to marry except in Hawaii and Vermont. (I myself am straight, but my younger sister is a lesbian, so I sympathize with them on that matter.) Need I say more?

* The most limited government

The federal government is trillions of dollars in debt.

* The most respect for its constitution

EXACT quote by President George W. Bush: “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face, it’s just a God damned piece of paper!”

* The lowest taxes

The IRS taxes Americans among the highest of all the nations of the world. On top of that, so many things have an excise tax they add to what they already add to the sales tax. Gasoline. Alcohol. Tobacco. Jewelry. Weapons. Airplane tickets.

* Sound money

The US Dollar is falling fast against the British pound, Euro, and Canadian dollar. I challenge you to name one currency we are sounder than.

As far as what nation is the freest right now? I'd say either the Netherlands or Germany.

[ARealConservative]

Name another country that could of produced this revolution.

Sure, we didn't gain critical mass, but noway would we have this many sympathetic to our cause in any other country in the world.

[Lord Mossofor]

What other nation really needs to have a revolution such as ours?

Every other nation I can think of is either (a) truly free or (b) is so deprived of food and clean drinking water and is more concerned about basic survival than liberty.

[ARealConservative]

What other nation really needs to have a revolution such as ours?

Every other nation I can think of is either (a) truly free or (b) is so deprived of food and clean drinking water and is more concerned about basic survival than liberty.

What nation is truly free?

[Lord Mossofor]

Are not the Netherlands and Germany free?

[ARealConservative]

Are not the Netherlands and Germany free?

are you kidding me?

Germany is our bitch. They arent even free to tell us we have to leave their soil.

And the Netherlands? Freedom is more then smoking pot son.

At least in America you can question 9/11. In Germany you will be jailed for even questioning the number of people killed in concentration camps.

Is our movement really this naive?

[RedLightning]

Is our movement really this naive?

Yes. :(

[Lord Mossofor]

I am not naive. I am just more knowledgeable of what freedoms we lack that other nations have than vice-versa. There are 245 nations on this planet. I am more concerned about the one I live in than the other 244.

[ARealConservative]

Yes. :(

Apparently so.

The Netherlands is part of the EU - one of the original nations to sign up.

[ARealConservative]

I am not naive. I am just more knowledgeable of what freedoms we lack that other nations have than vice-versa. There are 245 nations on this planet. I am more concerned about the one I live in than the other 244.

Your examples were seriously lacking.

How can Germany be free when they don't even have free speech?

And both Germany and the Netherlands belong to the EU.

We have major problems, but don't lose sight of our heritage. No nation even gives lip service to real freedom. Ron Paul wouldn't be a politician in any other nation on Earth as he would be totally unelectable.

[Lord Mossofor]

And both Germany and the Netherlands belong to the EU.


Indeed. And there is an organization similar to the EU that we are a member of, called NAFTA. We have not formed a single currency that will be common to the United States, Canada, and Mexico yet, but it's on its way.

Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amero

[Kade]

Every Country you can name on that list has "socialist" programs... They provide healthcare and education and anti-discrimination laws in their countries, and therefore, by the definitions of heartless libertarianism, they don't ever apply.

America is the only Libertarian superpower.

[ARealConservative]

Every Country you can name on that list has "socialist" programs... They provide healthcare and education and anti-discrimination laws in their countries, and therefore, by the definitions of heartless libertarianism, they don't ever apply.

America is the only Libertarian superpower.

I wasn't even going with social programs as an indicator of their short comings. Social programs at the proper level of governance is not the worst thing in the world. In fact my close knit family practices pure communism.

The ugly truth is even if another country wanted true freedom, we would likely intervene and prevent it from happening.

[Give me liberty]

Serbia by far is the most libertarian country in Europe.
Serbs and young serbs hate The Eu Union, Just like most of the young hate the north american union idea in the usa. :)


Serbs have the rights to bear to arms, No questions asked.
the only downside, is the net speed.

Due to the NATOs bombing of serbia, most of serbs have low down Internet access.
In most areas.

[acptulsa]

I wasn't even going with social programs as an indicator of their short comings. Social programs at the proper level of governance is not the worst thing in the world. In fact my close knit family practices pure communism.

Nothing wrong with that.

I think the only really libertarian nations on earth are the ones closest to anarchy. You know--the ones where no one has anything the politicians can steal.

[gregk]

Freedom is not as much about location as it is about money.
Money = power = freedom.

Freedom belongs to those who can afford to pay the bribes.
Freedom belongs to those who can accept things they cannot change.

As disheartening as the current state of affairs are, one should distinguish between laws, enforcement and the minds and behavior of ordinary people you come in contact with.

There is freedom in anonymity in a large country like the USA that doesn't exist in a smaller country like Ireland where people tend to snoop more into your business.

Things look bad in the short term, but in the long term, collapse is the natural course of history.

There is no doubt in my mind that this system must collapse as the Soviet Union did, before we will see a trend toward freedom again.

[Gadsden Flag]

I would say the United States still.

Most European countries are considered more liberal and free regarding personal life(like gay marriage, drug use, drinking ages, etc), but can be pretty atrocious at times with free speech, economics and privacy.

I haven't kept up on the controversy lately, but there were efforts in France and England to try to make 'hate speech' an offense for which you can be imprisoned. Yikes! This was a result of recent clashes with immigrants from Muslim nations and the harsh reactions which locals were having. I am all about tolerance and equality, but you shouldn't go to jail just for saying words.

I last heard about this 6-7 months ago and I don't know what ended up happening.

I have some people claim that Switzerland is a more libertarian nation than the US, but I don't know much about them.




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[Kade]

I wasn't even going with social programs as an indicator of their short comings. Social programs at the proper level of governance is not the worst thing in the world. In fact my close knit family practices pure communism.

The ugly truth is even if another country wanted true freedom, we would likely intervene and prevent it from happening.

People on this board rail against social programs. I just assumed too much I guess.

[freedominnumbers]

We could turn Suriname into the freest country. They have less than half a million people and a good bit of land on the south american coast. Half the population lives in or around the capital city leaving plenty of space for the invading liberty lovers.

[liberateliberty]

The most free nation is one where you can live in peace and easily circumvent any government interference in your life or finances. I live in Tanzania for just that reason, I work and keep 100% of my income. I'm paid in cash and purchase with cash. I don't use any government forms except immigration. I don't use banks. When you ask your master to give you freedom he will laugh at your begging chains, take back your liberty and bypass the overlords.

[ClayTrainor]

Holy Crap this thread is old.... Kade is participating in it, lol!

[Freedom 4 all]

Aside from the gun laws in some states, I don't see anything about America I would characterize as freer than the rest of the Western world. Obviously the US has a big leg up on places like China and NK, but as far as Canada or countries like Sweden or the Netherlands go, the "freedom gap" between these countries and the US is being bridged more and more each day. And it's NOT because Canada and Sweden are getting freer.