FEC Numbers for Q4

[jarofclay]

Did we find out if any of the other candidates have reported numbers yet?

[JordanQ72]

Other candidates? Who released FEC fillings so far?

[Royksopp]

isnt this tomorrow?

[jarofclay]

McCain posted his last night.

[Perry]

So far only Brownback, McCain & Tommy Thompson (http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/YE/) have reported. I believe the deadline is 2/1.

[Redcard]

Unless I'm reading it wrong, Ron Paul's year end numbers are in.

Oh wait.. my bad.

That's for his re-election campaign. :)

[paulaholic]

How did Tommy Thompson raise 60K when he dropped out in early August? Are people really that stupid with their money?

[tamor]

I do believe the deadline is tomorrow -- where would I go to see the numbers?

[angrydragon]

What's amazing is that the "conservative" republicans are in debt with their campaigns.

[JordanQ72]

What's amazing is that the "conservative" republicans are in debt with their campaigns.

???

[angrydragon]

Look at the numbers for Tommy Thompson, McCain and Brownback, their campaigns are all in debt.

[MooCowzRock]

???

Its a joke...those that you'd expect would be the most responsible with their money, and the most efficient.....arent...

[JordanQ72]

Look at the numbers for Tommy Thompson, McCain and Brownback, their campaigns are all in debt.

Maybe I'm reading them wrong, but take Brownback for example

22. Total Receipts 4,374,057.85
30. Total Disbursements 4,368,746.16

(22) > (30)

Where are you getting that they're in debt?

[angrydragon]

Oh and this is for the year end quarter, not total through all the qaurters.

Brownback

10. Cash on Hand at CLOSE of the Reporting Period 5,324.12
12. Debts and Obligations Owed BY the Committee 32,208.42

Debt
$26,884.30

McCain
10. Cash on Hand at CLOSE of the Reporting Period 2,948,427.85
12. Debts and Obligations Owed BY the Committee 4,516,030.08

Debt
$1,567,602

Tommy Thompson
10. Cash on Hand at CLOSE of the Reporting Period 2,562.41
12. Debts and Obligations Owed BY the Committee 197,912.10

Debt
$26,884

Easier to see here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_for_the_2008_presidential_election

[JordanQ72]

Interesting, I'm too lazy to go through the others, but most of that debt for Brownback is unpaid salary for his campaign manager. Also, debt is a poor word for it, it's mostly unfinanced future obligations.

[SovereignMN]

How did Tommy Thompson raise 60K when he dropped out in early August? Are people really that stupid with their money?

It's called political favors. He has debts to retire from his campaign and loyal supporters, friends and people who owe him favors chip in to help retire his debt.

[amistybleu]

I do believe the deadline is tomorrow -- where would I go to see the numbers?


GOOGLE FEC


Federal Election Commission

[Ayse]

I do believe the deadline is tomorrow -- where would I go to see the numbers?


http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/YE/

[greendiseaser]

Its a joke...those that you'd expect would be the most responsible with their money, and the most efficient.....arent...

actualy having debt can be the most efficient thing, from a business perspective.
Just playin devils advocate.

The most successful firms are most often the ones with 50 to 70% debt vs. capital. They are making a better return than the debt they hold.

:D

[ToryNotion]

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp

Shows last quarters reporting. All But Edward and Paul show some debt. Maybe its a carry over from the previous quarter as this chart is based on q3 credits and debits.

[acroso]

Anyone know how much cash Paul has on hand?

[ToryNotion]

Mclain's filing shows this red ink

12. Debts and Obligations Owed BY the Committee 4,516,030.08

That was as of Jan 31. Conventional wisdom says win primaries and donations come in.

[ToryNotion]

Anyone know how much cash Paul has on hand?

I'm guessing the campaign wouldn't want it posted on a public message board for the opposition to see.

[Bradley in DC]

I'm guessing the campaign wouldn't want it posted on a public message board for the opposition to see.

it's going to be posted on the FEC site for EVERYONE to see.

[InLoveWithRon]

Maybe I'm reading them wrong, but take Brownback for example

22. Total Receipts 4,374,057.85
30. Total Disbursements 4,368,746.16

(22) > (30)

Where are you getting that they're in debt?

McCain took out a $1.7 Million personal loan earlier this month because he was out of funding.

Loans have to be paid back ya know.

[Peppy690]

McCain took out a $1.7 Million personal loan earlier this month because he was out of funding.

Loans have to be paid back ya know.

im sure he'll use the treasury to take care of his debts if he is pres (god forbid)

[MooCowzRock]

actualy having debt can be the most efficient thing, from a business perspective.
Just playin devils advocate.

The most successful firms are most often the ones with 50 to 70% debt vs. capital. They are making a better return than the debt they hold.

:D

Good point, but there is a difference between business risks and government control of budgets...though the campaigns are more analogous to businesses than governments in what they are trying to acheive...;P

[ProfNo]

What do you think the media is going to say when all the numbers come in and Ron Paul raised the most, and raised double what McCain raised?

We know they will sweep it under the rug, but damn it is going to be funny watching them try to talk around this little bit of information.

[ToryNotion]

it's going to be posted on the FEC site for EVERYONE to see.

How much the campaign has right now will not be posted on the FEC site. By the time it hits the FEC site its historical data.

[Akus]

How did Tommy Thompson raise 60K when he dropped out in early August? Are people really that stupid with their money?

yes:rolleyes:

[maiki]

What do you think the media is going to say when all the numbers come in and Ron Paul raised the most, and raised double what McCain raised?

We know they will sweep it under the rug, but damn it is going to be funny watching them try to talk around this little bit of information.

If you read what they are saying about McCain's numbers now, you know what they will say: It is old news, McCain raised 7m already this quarter, so last quarter is irrelevant.

[dante]

ALSO keep in mind that most of that cash that McCain has on hand there is general election money... meaning that it can't be used to pay off those debts either

[Galileo Galilei]

ALSO keep in mind that most of that cash that McCain has on hand there is general election money... meaning that it can't be used to pay off those debts either

good point.

For Romney, only about 30% of what he has raised since January 1 is for the primaries. If the same ratio holds for McCain, that means his $7 million is only good for $2 million in the primaries.

After he pays off his $1.6 million debt and his expenses this month, he's way in the hole.

[LukeNM]

They will be here when available...

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp?cycle=2008

[Feelgood]

How can you tell how much is donated to the primaries and how much is for general elections, so you can know how much money they really have available?

Also, can someone break this down for the layman? I was getting a headache trying to read through all of that. Would primarily like to see how much each candidate has on hand, at present, for the primaries. :)