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gb13
01-30-2008, 12:53 PM
Need help to convert a LIBERAL democrat... and I mean LIBERAL.

He knows Paul doesn't support the war. That's not enough for him, I guess. This is what he said to me, "He sounds like a great guy and an honest person. I like his foreign policy. I just don't understand why he is running as a republican".

You see, to this guy, "republican" means "bad person".

Help me.

Sites?
YouTube?
Other?

Grandson of Liberty
01-30-2008, 12:57 PM
probably hopeless, since you are most likely talking to someone who is fundamentally socialist in nature, and completely at odds with the idea of true freedom and liberty.

hillertexas
01-30-2008, 01:00 PM
How do they feel about economic policy?

http://www.ntu.org/images/2008pres_total.png

newmedia4ron
01-30-2008, 01:03 PM
http://www.demsforronpaul.org/

Best Youtube videos to convert a democrat (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=30960)


Obama vs Ron Paul (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1103770&postcount=4)

'Healing Our World' by Mary Ruwart. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=19513)

hillertexas
01-30-2008, 01:04 PM
Why does he consider himself a liberal democrat?
That would be a good place to start.

FilleDePaix
01-30-2008, 01:16 PM
Hi gb13,

I am a liberal, or maybe not anymore according to some.

Give them a definition of the word "liberal":

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberal

A few things that attracted me, as a liberal:

-The idea of taking responsibility for yourself before changing the world (this is big nowadays in new age spiritual philosophies) fits nicely with Paul's local government stance, and foreign policy.

-Also the idea that most people by nature are good, and will rise to the occasion to provide education, medical care, etc for those in need.

-Free speech is paramount! Are they an artist?

:)

morerocklesstalk
01-30-2008, 01:18 PM
The Democratic party has had 2 years of a majority and yet we are no closer to coming home from Iraq since when they came in.

ArrestPoliticians
01-30-2008, 01:25 PM
ask them why they trust the government so much. When they reply that the free market has failed, hit them point by point how the government CAUSED market failure and give examples of government corruption.

morerocklesstalk
01-30-2008, 01:31 PM
ask them why they trust the government so much. When they reply that the free market has failed, hit them point by point how the government CAUSED market failure and give examples of government corruption.

That might be too much for them though. Many people don't have the same level of disdain for the gov't as you and I, especially a hardcore liberal.

ggibson1
01-30-2008, 01:36 PM
Need help to convert a LIBERAL democrat... and I mean LIBERAL.

He knows Paul doesn't support the war. That's not enough for him, I guess. This is what he said to me, "He sounds like a great guy and an honest person. I like his foreign policy. I just don't understand why he is running as a republican".

You see, to this guy, "republican" means "bad person".

Help me.

Sites?
YouTube?
Other?

The democrats not only did NOT stand up with Ron Paul when he was warning us not to invade Iraq.. but they actually voted with the republicans over and over even while the leftist grassroots and blogs were in uproar that the democrats would not stand up for themselves.

Remind them that a big effort by the people got many republicans to vote for the democrats in Nov 2006 and the democrats did NOTHING but empower the neocons even more since then.

Show them the video of Bush joking about no WMDs being found and show Pelosi finding it funny right along with the rest of them.

Remind them of all their calls for Harry Reid to stand up to the republicans only to fold over and over.

Remind them of how the democrats rolled over after each and every supreme court judge but forth by Bush... only one was sent away and that was because of RUSH LIMBAUGH and the other republicans raising hell over Miers nomination.

morerocklesstalk
01-30-2008, 01:39 PM
Spot on, Gibson. Perfect for the situation.

gb13
01-30-2008, 01:44 PM
Great stuff. Thanks, people.

He's an Obama supporter, but he's "lukewarm", in his own words. He isn't enthusiastic about any of the dems, so thats a good thing.

Any info specific to Obama, or anything to compare Obama to Paul would help massively.

LiberalDemForRP
01-30-2008, 01:53 PM
In December, Judicial Watch announced their List of Washington’s "Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians" for 2007. While Clinton scored #1, Giuliani #5, and Huckabee #6, guess who was #8 on the list? Obama.

No one can come close to the honesty and integrity of Ron Paul. For once there's a politician who is trustworthy.


Source: http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

pacelli
01-30-2008, 01:56 PM
Need help to convert a LIBERAL democrat... and I mean LIBERAL.

He knows Paul doesn't support the war. That's not enough for him, I guess. This is what he said to me, "He sounds like a great guy and an honest person. I like his foreign policy. I just don't understand why he is running as a republican".

You see, to this guy, "republican" means "bad person".

Help me.

Sites?
YouTube?
Other?

Is there enough time for him to switch parties & still be able to vote in his state? If there isn't enough time, or it looks like it will take too much time to convert him where it would divert you from others-- pass him by.

If it is not too late, in order to convert him you have to show him Paul's voting record. He's uninformed about what the republican party used to stand for, before it was hijacked by the neoconservatives.

SleepingNative
01-30-2008, 02:06 PM
Send him to our site:

ggibson1
01-30-2008, 02:20 PM
Great stuff. Thanks, people.

He's an Obama supporter, but he's "lukewarm", in his own words. He isn't enthusiastic about any of the dems, so thats a good thing.

Any info specific to Obama, or anything to compare Obama to Paul would help massively.

Obama has voted to fund the war and during critical times like voting for the military commissions act he didnt speak out in any way near what Ron Paul has IN CONGRESS... OR he simply wasnt there to vote at all OR he waited until everyone else voted and then snuck in a vote at the end...

ggibson1
01-30-2008, 02:24 PM
Mike Gravel also pointed out in one of the debates... that Obama had people out "bundling" money for him from wealthy business interests... aka lobbyists... i.e. BRIBERY ...

Goldwater Conservative
01-30-2008, 02:42 PM
Need help to convert a LIBERAL democrat... and I mean LIBERAL.

He knows Paul doesn't support the war. That's not enough for him, I guess. This is what he said to me, "He sounds like a great guy and an honest person. I like his foreign policy. I just don't understand why he is running as a republican".

You see, to this guy, "republican" means "bad person".

He's running as a Republican because Republicans used to advocate his foreign policy. His brand of anti-government, pro-freedom conservatism goes back to Robert Taft, who was actually called Mr. Republican, and to a slightly lesser extent the fairly libertarian Barry Goldwater. Basically, Paul is trying to take the party back to its roots.


Great stuff. Thanks, people.

He's an Obama supporter, but he's "lukewarm", in his own words. He isn't enthusiastic about any of the dems, so thats a good thing.

Any info specific to Obama, or anything to compare Obama to Paul would help massively.

Obama continues to vote to fund the occupation of Iraq and has not taken a nuclear first-strike against Iran off the table. He voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act.

Paul, on the other hand, voted against the war (one of only sevens Republicans to do so in both houses of Congress), warned against it from the beginning, continuously voted to end it and spoke out against it, and is the only candidate proposing unabashed withdrawal as soon as the military can safely do so (a period of a few months). He has been similarly outspoken against the Patriot Act.

affa
01-30-2008, 02:46 PM
That might be too much for them though. Many people don't have the same level of disdain for the gov't as you and I, especially a hardcore liberal.

Patently untrue. Especially after 8 years of Bush.

Brian Bailey
01-30-2008, 02:55 PM
I am socially liberal, myself.

Talk to this person about equal rights and the Constitution. Talk about getting rid of special interests and lobbyists and tell them about the need to have a person in office who understands the quagmire that is our economy. Ask them, for example, what Obama's economic plan is. (He doesn't have one.)

Tell him, if nothing else, how much the Republican establishment HATES Ron Paul. That might be enough in and of itself.

Brian Bailey
01-30-2008, 02:56 PM
Also: KnowBeforeYouVote.com (http://www.knowbeforeyouvote.com)

gb13
01-30-2008, 03:24 PM
Thanks again. I've used some of these references before, some I have not, so the help is much appreciated.

I think I've got a decent arsenal, thanks to the extra resources you guys have given me.

The main thing at this point that might pose a problem is the abortion issue. I know he's pretty pro-choice, so we'll see how well he can deal with Paul's pro-life stance.

ggibson1
01-30-2008, 03:45 PM
Thanks again. I've used some of these references before, some I have not, so the help is much appreciated.

I think I've got a decent arsenal, thanks to the extra resources you guys have given me.

The main thing at this point that might pose a problem is the abortion issue. I know he's pretty pro-choice, so we'll see how well he can deal with Paul's pro-life stance.

Show him the video of Paul on that womans show "The View"

Paul walks them logically through admitting that they do not believe in the current law as it stands on abortion...

Also remind them that Ron Pauls stance on abortion is NOT the extremist religious rights position of forcing their religion on the rest of us by changing the Constitution to outlaw abortion and who knows what next after that...

Yom
01-30-2008, 04:02 PM
How do they feel about economic policy?

http://www.ntu.org/images/2008pres_total.png

That is a great map. We need to spread it. Is it on digg, yet?

Highstreet
01-30-2008, 04:06 PM
Need help to convert a LIBERAL democrat... and I mean LIBERAL.

He knows Paul doesn't support the war. That's not enough for him, I guess. This is what he said to me, "He sounds like a great guy and an honest person. I like his foreign policy. I just don't understand why he is running as a republican".

You see, to this guy, "republican" means "bad person".

Help me.

Sites?
YouTube?
Other?

Tell him that those who vote by party name are trapped in the media led division of this country.

Paul would even be OK with any Social Program that Dems want, as long as they do it at the State level where it will be more efficient anyway.

Remind him that Both Hillary and Obama funded the War and voted FOR the Patriot Act.

Soccrmastr
01-30-2008, 04:07 PM
Dont waste your time. It doesnt matter. We need to get republicans on our side.

roXet
01-30-2008, 04:31 PM
Dont waste your time. It doesnt matter. We need to get republicans on our side.

Get over your labels or you are just a hindrance to this campaign. BOTH parties are a complete joke now and Dr. Paul's message speaks to ALL people. We all want to be prosperous, we just have to convince others that this is the best way to get there.

Now grow up.

zakkubin
01-30-2008, 04:38 PM
oh this is easy. He probably is all for the social programs like universal healthcare.
Just tell him these things will probably never be settled at the federal level because so many people are on both sides.

But with Paul states would be able to do things on their own. So for instance if Georgia wanted universal healthcare or a better welfare then they could pass it at the state level.

So rather than trying to liberalize the nation all at once you could pass it at the state level. If it worked then other states would adopt similar laws/policies.

Soccrmastr
02-05-2008, 09:11 PM
Get over your labels or you are just a hindrance to this campaign. BOTH parties are a complete joke now and Dr. Paul's message speaks to ALL people. We all want to be prosperous, we just have to convince others that this is the best way to get there.

Now grow up.

I said this because only Republicans generally will be able to vote for Ron Paul with few exceptions for Independents and/or Dems.

TastyWheat
08-16-2008, 06:00 PM
I read a piece of an essay to convert liberals to conservatives (I think it was via Daily Paul), but I forget the title. I think it was written by a woman in a pretty cryptic "F.A. Hayek" style. The main point of the essay was that many historical actions carried out under good intentions did more harm than actions carried out under evil intentions. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

georgiaboy
08-16-2008, 06:13 PM
oh, this is easy.

Beat them over the head with a cricket bat repeating "liberty, liberty, liberty!" until they relent.

works for me all the time.

and happy Friday night. :)

rockandrollsouls
08-16-2008, 06:52 PM
Need help to convert a LIBERAL democrat... and I mean LIBERAL.

He knows Paul doesn't support the war. That's not enough for him, I guess. This is what he said to me, "He sounds like a great guy and an honest person. I like his foreign policy. I just don't understand why he is running as a republican".

You see, to this guy, "republican" means "bad person".

Help me.

Sites?
YouTube?
Other?

Ask Kade. He's a work in progress.

:D Just kiddin', buddy.

mudhoney
08-16-2008, 07:40 PM
My liberal friends that I talk to have an appreciation for their own individual liberty. However, that's where it ends. They seem to have no problem letting government take away other people's liberty. They see many types of corporations and industries as evil and think that they should have their money taken away from them.

What they don't understand is that they're opening the flood gates for government to impose bad legislation against themselves as well, since they've chosen that individual rights are different for different groups of people.

mediahasyou
08-16-2008, 08:05 PM
I can testify that I've converted five of my liberal friends to libertarian with this strategy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_shEnY_lcQI

Kade
08-18-2008, 09:26 AM
Get over your labels or you are just a hindrance to this campaign. BOTH parties are a complete joke now and Dr. Paul's message speaks to ALL people. We all want to be prosperous, we just have to convince others that this is the best way to get there.

Now grow up.

You grow up. Liberal=/= Democrat.

They can be "converted", but I don't know why you should... Liberals already don't trust the government... they are just willing to give authority to prevent destruction of liberty... ie, not allowing restrictions.

Don't be an idiot.

The_Orlonater
08-18-2008, 10:33 AM
Guys..Kade is a classical liberal(right?). Don't bash liberalism, read about "Classical Liberalism."

Oh yeah, wasn't Thomas Jefferson considered a liberal.
Wasn't Ludwig Von Mises?

Come on, this isn't even suppose to be argued about. In this movement conservatives and liberals are suppose to be friends. Our main enemy is the government. We just differ on more social issues like gay marriage and abortion.

Conza88
08-18-2008, 08:25 PM
Great stuff. Thanks, people.

He's an Obama supporter, but he's "lukewarm", in his own words. He isn't enthusiastic about any of the dems, so thats a good thing.

Any info specific to Obama, or anything to compare Obama to Paul would help massively.

Video is in the sig. ;)

mport1
08-18-2008, 08:33 PM
Explain to them that democratic policies result in violence. Show them "the gun in the room" by explaining that taxation is theft that if not paid will eventually result in kidnapping (prison) or death if the person resists his kidnappers.

kigol
08-18-2008, 10:25 PM
haha

James Madison
08-18-2008, 10:39 PM
"A government strong enough to give you everything you need is also strong enough to take away everything you have."

That should be enough.