Edwards is out- now is the time to make a move on the Democrats

[Nadia]

I come from the Kucinch camp bearing gifts.

Edwards was a phony but now that he is out, it is time to make a move on the anti-war Democrats.
The DLC is horribly worried about Ron Paul. They have sent their minions to bash him incessantly because they knew they would leave us with nowhere to go, and Ron Paul is their biggest threat.
Attacks range from 'he's a racist' to 'he's going to make abortions illegal(even Bush couldn't do that), to he's going to stop income tax altogether and our roads and bridges will fall apart. I know you all have a flyer around here debunking the myths...I think you need to spread in far and wide NOW because I have heard about it but have yet to see it. You are not reaching the Democrats. Democratic Underground is a good place to start. Although they keep kicking me off, they will give you a chance. Try to blend in as a Kucinich or Edwards supporter but give people the facts about Ron Paul. I must admit I am jealous of the numbers and support you have here. The Kucinich campaign never had the momentum I am seeing here. You guys are awesome! I really believe Ron Paul can win this thing- WE NEED Ron Paul to win!! Thanks for listening.


I am currently working with the site
www.peacecandidates.com
to unite Kucinich and Ron Paul supporters to run for office and take back the US Congress.

[Todd]

Are they receptive at DU? There were some people here in early December that made some very poor choices to invade Conservative Underground. The attack was relentless and few were eloquent enough to have a valid argument and stave off the Ad hominem stuff.
We don't want to create more enemies that think we are crazy.

Anyhow.. Glad you are here. Edwards was about the best the Democrats had to offer for a principled candidate...besides Kucinich

[Voluntaryist]

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We need to reach the Dems. Ron Paul is more anti-war than any Dem running ever since Kucinich dropped out.

Thank you for this thread, Nadia! :)

[Redcard]

Trust me, the Dems are not afraid of Ron Paul.

They don't see him as a threat at all.

Focus on the Nomination.. or get Paul to run third party.. and then the Dems might be afraid, but, I'm from a family who has gone Dem a lot. They're not afraid of Ron Paul at all. The comment I've been hearing is 10%, 5%, 4%, 3%.

Let's not overstate our position. With Edwards out, we don't need to focus on the Democrats, we need to stay to our positions and move people in. Edwards was a socialist. We're not going to pick up his people. Even if we did, they aren't going to stay.

[LukeNM]

I wish you people would forget about a third party run. That would be the biggest loosing proposition yet. You think we are ignored now -- forget it, Ron has! Let's fight the fight we are in now. I third party candidate cannot win -- accept that and move forward, become a PL and donate.

[amy31416]

I come from the Kucinch camp bearing gifts.


I am currently working with the site
www.peacecandidates.com
to unite Kucinich and Ron Paul supporters to run for office and take back the US Congress.

Welcome to the revolution, Nadia.

[fletcher]

Are they receptive at DU?

No. It is a partisan website. If you don't have 1000+ posts you will be banned for saying anything positive about a Republican. Even he 1000+ posters have to watch their step. The disinformation is very strong there. Aside from the constant racist and anti-women comments, i've seen people saying that Ron Paul would privatize the beaches and that he would be for the war in Iraq if it were declared. LOL. It is one big pile of ignorance over there, and that's exactly how they like it.

[Redcard]

Uh.

He would be for the war in Iraq if it were a Constitutionally declared war. That's the whole damn point of having a Congress with the power to Declare War.

If Bush went this route and Congress Declared War on Iraq, then I suspect Ron Paul would not be as angry about our position there. The fact that war was not declared is the reason he feels it Unconstitutional. It eliminates a check that the legistlative department has over the Executive

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

We will pick up MILLIONS of Dems in an independent run.

[Iwantchange]

My biggest fear is to have McCain on the republican side and Clinton on the Democrat side... Who the hell you do you vote for, Evil #1 or Evil #2?

I think at that point we should start a campaign for independent. Maybe our slogan is "Vote Independent to prove a point" or "Vote Independent and stop bipartisanism”

[DahuiHeeNalu]

Ron Paul is the only anti war candidate left..... We all unite as Americans now not repub this and dem that

[fletcher]

Uh.

He would be for the war in Iraq if it were a Constitutionally declared war. That's the whole damn point of having a Congress with the power to Declare War.

If Bush went this route and Congress Declared War on Iraq, then I suspect Ron Paul would not be as angry about our position there. The fact that war was not declared is the reason he feels it Unconstitutional. It eliminates a check that the legistlative department has over the Executive

No he wouldn't. He even introduced a declaration of war so it would be constitutional, and then voted against is because he is completely opposed to preemptive aggressive war. It doesn't sound like you understand his non-interventionist foreign policy.

[Redcard]

No he wouldn't. He even introduced a declaration of war so it would be constitutional, and then voted against is because he is completely opposed to preemptive aggressive war. It doesn't sound like you understand his non-interventionist foreign policy.

Okay.

Let me rephrase it.

He would be supportive of a Congress that declared War in line with the constitution. He may disagree with it personally, but if the Congress declared war on Iraq, then I think as a strict constitutionalist, you would have to support the decision of the congress in exercising its authority.

[affa]

I know you all have a flyer around here debunking the myths...I think you need to spread in far and wide NOW because I have heard about it but have yet to see it.

Does anyone have a link to this? I'm in the middle of working on a document debunking the 'cut and paste' list of issues being passed around to radicals, dems, greens, etc.

If it's already been done, great. A link to an already existing document would be fantastic...

[angelatc]

I come from the Kucinch camp bearing gifts.

Edwards was a phony but now that he is out, it is time to make a move on the anti-war Democrats.
The DLC is horribly worried about Ron Paul. They have sent their minions to bash him incessantly because they knew they would leave us with nowhere to go, and Ron Paul is their biggest threat.
Attacks range from 'he's a racist' to 'he's going to make abortions illegal(even Bush couldn't do that), to he's going to stop income tax altogether and our roads and bridges will fall apart. I know you all have a flyer around here debunking the myths...I think you need to spread in far and wide NOW because I have heard about it but have yet to see it. You are not reaching the Democrats. Democratic Underground is a good place to start. Although they keep kicking me off, they will give you a chance. Try to blend in as a Kucinich or Edwards supporter but give people the facts about Ron Paul. I must admit I am jealous of the numbers and support you have here. The Kucinich campaign never had the momentum I am seeing here. You guys are awesome! I really believe Ron Paul can win this thing- WE NEED Ron Paul to win!! Thanks for listening.


I am currently working with the site
www.peacecandidates.com
to unite Kucinich and Ron Paul supporters to run for office and take back the US Congress.

Hi Nadia,

The war is my "thing" too. ANd you don't need to bring gifts - Kucinich has always been a favorite "other guy" in the forums.

Before you go aggressively courting the Edwards Camp. give them some time to grieve the loss of their candidate of choice. I can't imagine how I would feel if my favorite candidate decided to pursue other interests, but I' am pretty sure pursuing alternative candidates wouldn't interest me for a while.

[angelatc]

Uh.

He would be for the war in Iraq if it were a Constitutionally declared war. That's the whole damn point of having a Congress with the power to Declare War.

If Bush went this route and Congress Declared War on Iraq, then I suspect Ron Paul would not be as angry about our position there. The fact that war was not declared is the reason he feels it Unconstitutional. It eliminates a check that the legistlative department has over the Executive

I do not think that Ron Paul would have voted for war against Iraq. They posed absolutely no threat to us.

[fletcher]

Okay.

Let me rephrase it.

He would be supportive of a Congress that declared War in line with the constitution. He may disagree with it personally, but if the Congress declared war on Iraq, then I think as a strict constitutionalist, you would have to support the decision of the congress in exercising its authority.

I still completely disagree. Just because something is constitution doesn't mean it is right. But then again, if war was declared it would have been over almost immediately. But I don't want to derail this thread. Lets just leave it.

[affa]

I do not think that Ron Paul would have voted for war against Iraq. They posed absolutely no threat to us.

Ron Paul was DEFINITELY against the invasion. There are many youtube clips of him speaking out against it well before it became a reality - and well before it became 'popular' to do so.

[MrsW]

Does anyone have a link to this? I'm in the middle of working on a document debunking the 'cut and paste' list of issues being passed around to radicals, dems, greens, etc.

If it's already been done, great. A link to an already existing document would be fantastic...

Are you talking about the ma of common sense one manofcommonsense.com? I think there are two different ones on that site.

[Nadia]

Democratic Underground was just one suggestion- they are very fascist, but that is also where there have been many attacks on Ron Paul by the DLC. You do need to be sneaky. In many states there is still time to switch and vote in the Republican primary rather than the Democratic so I was talking about reaching those people who cannot/will not vote for Hiilary or Obama and there are MANY. If Ron Paul gets the nomination, he will win. I think if he runs Independent he will win(especially if he takes on Kucinich for VP:p). The candidates are so weak on both sides, and I really believe Americans are sick of the BS. I support Ron Paul because he will shut down the Military Industrial Complex. On this all Americans can agree and at this point in time, nothing is more important. So many Republicans blame the 'tax and spend' Dems for the economy, but it's the war(s), NAFTA, the bullshit drug war, homeland security- that is where the money is wasted. I love that Ron Paul continues to point out that we are borrowing money from China to finance our stupidity. He needs to keep pushing the concept that the war on terror is a lie. Americans can recognize the truth when they hear it. It is just that we don't hear it very often.

[Todd]

Uh.

He would be for the war in Iraq if it were a Constitutionally declared war. That's the whole damn point of having a Congress with the power to Declare War.

If Bush went this route and Congress Declared War on Iraq, then I suspect Ron Paul would not be as angry about our position there. The fact that war was not declared is the reason he feels it Unconstitutional. It eliminates a check that the legistlative department has over the Executive

Right...then it would be more conducive to setting war ending guidelines. If the people are anti-war over at DU because they believe it to be less a constitutional question and more a Human-Nature issue...then their is no reason to argue.

[affa]

Are you talking about the ma of common sense one manofcommonsense.com? I think there are two different ones on that site.

I don't see anything like what I'm looking for... hm.... ok.

If anyone DOES know of a direct refutation of all the points on the anti-Ron Paul misinfo list, let me know. In the meantime, I'll keep working on it.

[Nadia]

I wish Ron Paul wasn't a racist homophobic crazoid

His monologue on Iraq was worthy of the most anti-war Dem.
Don't worry, I'm not a Paulist. It's just amazing that he's even allowed to participate in a GOP debate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4303248

Everyone seems to chime in their support of many of his policies, but then then name calling begins...