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SovereignMN
01-29-2008, 09:54 PM
Look the top 3 issues in the past couple years that has gotten the public worked up.

1. Iraq: 70% of Americans think it was a mistake and want to leave.
2. Illegal Immigration: Americans overwhelmingly stood up to Bush and Congress and demanded they cease all talks of amnesty.
3. Economy: Housing market is crashing, dollar is plummeting and we're heading into a deep recession.

Now look who the Republicans are going to nominate...John McCain.
1. Wants to be in Iraq for 100 years.
2. Wants amesty for 20 million illegal immigrants.
3. Admits he knows nothing about economics.

Democrats won't even break a sweat.

bobmurph
01-29-2008, 10:07 PM
I've never been an advocate of a 3rd party run, nor do I think it is going to happen...but things sure are shaping up for someone to run 3rd party. Regardless of the outcome of this election, I think it's pretty fair to say that RP will be universally regarded as the Barry Goldwater of his era when the history books are written.

WarningSLO
01-29-2008, 10:10 PM
Enough people HATE Hillary so much that the GOP may still win out. But an Obama vs. McCain or Romney is a sure win. Paul can defeat them all though.

Mortikhi
01-29-2008, 10:13 PM
I've been a republican since I was 18. After this election, the party has lost another member.

newmedia4ron
01-29-2008, 10:14 PM
"We may well be fighting a losing battle, but if it's the right battle, if it's the only alternative to serfdom, then we ought to fight it."
Milton Friedman

Thanehand
01-29-2008, 10:14 PM
Enough people hate Hillary, but many, many more love the Clintons and unless Ron Paul is the GOP nominee, the Republicans are definitely going to loose based on things that have already been mentioned in this thread.

DeadtoSin
01-29-2008, 10:16 PM
Yeah, I won't vote for any other Republican candidate. I'm strong on pro-life and gun control, but honestly the abortion issue is a smokescreen issue. Nobody is going to really try to do anything about it but Ron Paul. I'd rather a democrat spend us into oblivion rather than giving all the illegals amnesty and putting us in another war. At least with the democrat they'll just spend us into oblivion trying to take care of us. With the Republicans, they'll spend us into oblivion by blowing crap up and giving everyone citizenship...

Sey.Naci
01-29-2008, 10:17 PM
As the party shrinks, the proportion of close-minded people remaining increases. They're causing their own demise, because they've been unfriendly to and blocking newcomers from (mainly) the Paul camp. They're idiots if they can't see that in turning these, mostly young, people away they are nailing the GOP's coffin.

Only RP can save the GOP and they simply don't see that.

-lotus-
01-29-2008, 10:17 PM
I've been a republican since I was 18. After this election, the party has lost another member.

SERIOUSLY! If RP doesnt get the nod, Im immediately changing my party affiliation back to undeclared

michaelwise
01-29-2008, 10:17 PM
I've been a registered republican my whole life, and will be switching to another country after the general election if Ron Paul doesn't win.

MayTheRonBeWithYou
01-29-2008, 10:18 PM
Get ready for a Ron Paul independent run.

RonPaulFTFW
01-29-2008, 10:20 PM
You're thinking the people have a choice.

The media has a choice and the people have a box to pick.

jasonjasonjason1
01-29-2008, 10:20 PM
aa

Suzu
01-29-2008, 10:23 PM
The GOP is aiming to lose on purpose - there is no difference between the parties anymore, but TPTB want us to have the illusion of choice. Read Carol Quigley's "Tragedy and Hope", he was Bill Clinton's mentor.

Read this article: CLINTON AND QUIGLEY (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14629)

Ethek
01-29-2008, 10:25 PM
Seriously? Any place in mind? I've been seriously considering Argentina.

I always had a thing for gauchos. Id consider going ex-pat as well.

This country has strayed from the principles of the constitution. Principles that were supposed to protect everyone here from others stupidity. Not with todays politicians. People vote for the socialist pandering and then wonder why life goes down the crapper.

PC_for_Paul
01-29-2008, 10:27 PM
We need to run 3rd Party, maybe unify a couple if possible. We got to find the spot where the GOP has us "cock" blocked to the point that we have to go. I think Sept is too long. I'm thinking April- early May. That will give the grassroots a chance to do it all over again. With lessons learned of course.


I'm thinking free Barb-Q and sign wave, all summer long from local Meetups. These primaries have just felt "rushed", 3rd Party will give us the chance to do it again with a lot more time.

The Blackout wouldn't be so bad if not for time restraints, MSM reach a lot of people with little effort.

MadViking10
01-29-2008, 10:30 PM
I've been a republican since I was 18. After this election, the party has lost another member.
DITTO

filmmaker58
01-29-2008, 10:32 PM
The Republicans fighting Ron Paul is like a sinking ship torpedoing the rescue boat....and laughing about it.

I would love to see a Ross Perot billionaire type as Ron's running mate for a third party run, then we could let the rotting cadaver that is the Republican party die the painful death that it deserves.

jasonjasonjason1
01-29-2008, 10:32 PM
aa

J Free
01-29-2008, 10:35 PM
I've never been an advocate of a 3rd party run, nor do I think it is going to happen...but things sure are shaping up for someone to run 3rd party. Regardless of the outcome of this election, I think it's pretty fair to say that RP will be universally regarded as the Barry Goldwater of his era when the history books are written.

He will only be viewed as that if a)he does NOT run third party, b)we become Republicans even if we have to hold our nose and c)we take over the party from the bottom-up.

It took 20 years for Goldwater Republicans to achieve the Presidency with Ronald Reagan -- and unfortunately many of them did NOT really get involved enough in the party so Reagan ended up being coopted by the Rockefeller wing (Bush).

If he runs third party, he will a)lose and b)cut off the legs of every single Ron Paul supporter who has become a Republican or become a delegate or a precinct captain.

Cowlesy
01-29-2008, 10:36 PM
I'm re-registering as a Freedom Fighter.

ionlyknowy
01-29-2008, 10:46 PM
when the Dems take power this time, it will be the finishing touch for America.

four words, universal healthcare, bankrupt America.

Fields
01-29-2008, 10:47 PM
I've been a registered republican my whole life, and will be switching to another country after the general election if Ron Paul doesn't win.

Same here.

Myerz
01-29-2008, 10:49 PM
There's no difference between Republicans or democrats........ you got bullshit and then you have the truth!

dkim68
01-29-2008, 10:51 PM
This tells me the Republican party has conceded to the Democratic party and is counting on one of them to carry on with plans for a One World Government.

I tell ya, the Bushes and the Clintons make a great tag team.

Jean
01-29-2008, 10:58 PM
I am a Ron Paul Republican and will stay one no matter what happens and I and my Ron Paul Republican friends will take back our party like it or not! We will work from inside the party to make changes and stand in the way of business as usual! Will you join me?

Caravello
01-29-2008, 11:00 PM
I think the Pub party of 2008 is dominated by its eldest members. The party will have to re-invent and reinvigorate itself in the next couple years. I think part of that will be a youthfulness and return to basics, such as fiscal responsibility, non-interventionist foreign policy, and most of the RP platform.

Karrl
01-29-2008, 11:06 PM
If McCain is the rep. candidate, there will be nothing left to take back. The party will be finished. A third party must be ready to fill the void. IMO that would be the freedom and liberty movement that has coalesced behind RP.

MGreen
01-29-2008, 11:10 PM
I thought the same thing when I saw tonight's Florida numbers. The Dems get no delegates to their convention, yet they had a turnout almost as high as the hugely contested Republican primary.

The GOP will lose. My only worry is that they'll resurrect in 2012 by pinning all the country's problems on the Democrats, so they'll regain support with the same neoconservative message.

RonRules
01-29-2008, 11:10 PM
I always had a thing for gauchos. Id consider going ex-pat as well.

This country has strayed from the principles of the constitution. Principles that were supposed to protect everyone here from others stupidity. Not with todays politicians. People vote for the socialist pandering and then wonder why life goes down the crapper.

Luxembourg, particularly if you know about finance & banking. Freest country in the world.

RPsupporterAtHeart
01-29-2008, 11:13 PM
Singapore people!! At least that's where I'll go when Canada goes to hell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore

J Free
01-29-2008, 11:19 PM
I am a Ron Paul Republican and will stay one no matter what happens and I and my Ron Paul Republican friends will take back our party like it or not! We will work from inside the party to make changes and stand in the way of business as usual! Will you join me?

I will work with you. And I put together a website (GOPrising.com link below) that allows you to ask others to join too. With a neat social mapping function.

It hasn't gotten much interest. Don't know why. But my purpose was to create a platform where those of us who are interested in taking back the GOP in the long-run can brainstorm and learn from each other and mobilize together.

I'd be interested in your feedback.

free.alive
01-29-2008, 11:19 PM
You're forgetting corruption

Spideynw
01-29-2008, 11:21 PM
Ron Paul is the only candidate that has a chance against the Dems, any of them, period.

It is really funny watching Romney blow tons of money on a worthless run for the presidency though. Even if he gets the Republican nomination, he would lose to the Dems.

tomveil
01-29-2008, 11:26 PM
Hell, I'm a Democrat and I'll be heading for Belize or Costa Rica before the end of the first term. Even faster if we're stuck with McCain or Hillary. I guess I'll have to whore myself to some lucky Australian gal to be a male-order groom for *laugh*

libertarian4321
01-29-2008, 11:56 PM
Look the top 3 issues in the past couple years that has gotten the public worked up.

1. Iraq: 70% of Americans think it was a mistake and want to leave.
2. Illegal Immigration: Americans overwhelmingly stood up to Bush and Congress and demanded they cease all talks of amnesty.
3. Economy: Housing market is crashing, dollar is plummeting and we're heading into a deep recession.

Now look who the Republicans are going to nominate...John McCain.
1. Wants to be in Iraq for 100 years.
2. Wants amesty for 20 million illegal immigrants.
3. Admits he knows nothing about economics.

Democrats won't even break a sweat.

If the Dems elect Hillary, enough people hate her that a bad Republican (McCain or Romney) might win.

If the Dems nominate Obama, though, he's a decent enough guy, with a lot of energy and charisma- he runs all over McCain.

McCain won't inspire the Republican base (although if Hillary is nominated, she'll do it for him), and in a race against Obama, the independents will swing Dem.

Derek Johnson
01-30-2008, 12:06 AM
Republicans are going socialist: McCain, Huckabee, Romney

Republicans are not blasting the welfare state: McCain, Huckabee, Romney

Republicans are going CO2 international cap and trade carbon tax: McCain, Huckabee, Romney

Republicans are going towards the North American Union [that's just a "conspiracy theory"] with open borders and paths to citizenship: McCain, Huckabee, Romney

Republicans are big government: McCain, Huckabee, Romney

Republicans are corporate welfare: McCain, Huckabee, Romney

Republicans are for protectional [anti free trade - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=102465&page=3&highlight=henry+clay see post #25 for background on this] policy: McCain, Huckabee, Romney

Republicans are for the military industrial complex industry: McCain, Huckabee, Romney

Republicans are for the federal reserve central bank: McCain, Huckabee, Romney

Not much has changed since Lincoln, save the occasional Taft, Goldwater, or Paul. And that's too bad. :(

Are they trying to lose?

mahopaul
01-30-2008, 12:07 AM
We need to draft Sanford to run 3rd party ASAP as the conservative candidate. He agrees with RP 90% and would get the RP/Thompson/Huckabee/Romney vote. That should be enough to beat McCain and Hitlery.

ronpaulitician
01-30-2008, 12:11 AM
America is finished.

I'm more and more convinced that we have less than 10 years to turn this nation around. The election of Clinton or McCain will signal that America is either unaware of the need to change (even though all the signs are there) or unwilling to change (even though the opportunity is there).

jwilli17
01-30-2008, 12:17 AM
I know 3rd party is kinda out of the question. But if it's McCain, I'm sure even Rush and Hannity would vote for Paul over McCain. I don't think he'd win but it'd make sure McCain goes down as the biggest mistake the republican party's ever made and drive them to a fiscal stance like in the pre 2000's

Jodi
01-30-2008, 12:24 AM
I've been a republican since I was 18. After this election, the party has lost another member.

Ditto, unless another Ron Paul Republican comes along.

Ara825
01-30-2008, 12:24 AM
Seriously? Any place in mind? I've been seriously considering Argentina.

I wish my husband and I had the option of leaving the country. We are trapped, chained to a disability check. Can a disabled veteran continue to draw his disability pay if he moves out of the country?

nodope0695
01-30-2008, 12:31 AM
I'm sad to say that I'm ashamed to be a member of such a piece of shit of a party as the GOP. The only reason I'm a republican is so I can vote for Ron Paul. The GOP is chock full of complete retards. Anybody who voted for McPain, Romney, Huckabee - well, they're BLIND and DUMB. The GOP is truly the party of the sheeple - if McPain gets the nomination, it will be the blind leading the blind. As soon as the primary is over, I'm regegistering Independent or Libertarian. I don't want to ever associate myself with the shameful GOP fascist neocons.

Grandson of Liberty
01-30-2008, 12:34 AM
I've been a republican since I was 18. After this election, the party has lost another member.

As the Fonz would say, "Exactamundo."

(though I might stay in just to be able to vote in the primaries)

jarofclay
01-30-2008, 12:38 AM
I am a Ron Paul Republican and will stay one no matter what happens and I and my Ron Paul Republican friends will take back our party like it or not! We will work from inside the party to make changes and stand in the way of business as usual! Will you join me?

+1000. This is exactly what Rand Paul said last weekend in Billings, MT. The Republican platform is awesome in its stance of limited government and non-interventionist policies. We need to take back this party.

Divided we fall and in times like these it is important to make a stand against the creeping socialists. I'm not suggesting to vote for the RNC ticket, we will vote our conscience, but the party platform remains. Lets hold their feet to the fire and remind them of what the platform stands for.

Cowlesy
01-30-2008, 12:40 AM
The original Patriots of America didn't leave when the Crown became bastards to them.

Take a stand and fight for OUR damn country.

nodope0695
01-30-2008, 12:44 AM
We will work from inside the party to make changes and stand in the way of business as usual! Will you join me?

Unfortunately, on this, I can't join you. Ron Paul will still have my vote, of course. That's not going to change. The best way to change the republican party is to desert it alltogether. Let the fascist NeoCons stand alone on the fringe. Me? I will no longer associate with a national party of traitors. As soon as the Maryland Primary is over, I'm changing my affiliation. The GOP is going into the waste basket along with my Myspace account, and the MSM. Goodbye GOP, FOREVER.

tomveil
01-30-2008, 12:45 AM
The original Patriots of America didn't leave when the Crown became bastards to them.

Take a stand and fight for OUR damn country.

This always makes me laugh. It's not 1776, man. The government can control every aspect of your life if they want to. No credit cards, no cash from ATMs, no anything. If you wanna move up into the hills and get off the grid, more power to you. But don't pretend that you've got a chance against them if you're taking them head-on.

jarofclay
01-30-2008, 12:48 AM
This always makes me laugh. It's not 1776, man. The government can control every aspect of your life if they want to. No credit cards, no cash from ATMs, no anything. If you wanna move up into the hills and get off the grid, more power to you. But don't pretend that you've got a chance against them if you're taking them head-on.

-10 I'll bet this message was said concerning the British back in the day. Its the same. Its the tireless minority that will prevail or die trying. I'd rather spend my life working to change something than running away.

Free McKilt
01-30-2008, 12:51 AM
I think we should stay in the party. My motto...Don't be a Party Hack, Hack the Party. Become a Precinct Committee Person but only canvas for RP or Libertarians. Don't help ANY candidate that doesn't FULLY support the RP platform--which, unfortunately, is most of them. Personally the Central Committee can give me all the literature they want, but it sits in my garage.

tomveil
01-30-2008, 12:53 AM
-10 I'll bet this message was said concerning the British back in the day. Its the same. Its the tireless minority that will prevail or die trying. I'd rather spend my life working to change something than running away.

You can -10 me all you want. The british government was in Britan. They weren't already here. They didn't have control over every single aspect of your life. You litterally will not be allowed to function in society if they choose that you can't.

Go ahead and try to make change from the system from within. Trying to take them head-on is just retarded.

jarofclay
01-30-2008, 12:55 AM
You can -10 me all you want. The british government was in Britan. They weren't already here. They didn't have control over every single aspect of your life. You litterally will not be allowed to function in society if they choose that you can't.

Go ahead and try to make change from the system from within. Trying to take them head-on is just retarded.

I think we are heading for the same thing. I'm open to hearing ideas about how you think we will get there.

tomveil
01-30-2008, 01:01 AM
I think we are heading for the same thing. I'm open to hearing ideas about how you think we will get there.

How we will get where? Sorry, there's a couple things that this could mean and I don't want to respond to the wrong one :)

jarofclay
01-30-2008, 01:05 AM
How we will get where? Sorry, there's a couple things that this could mean and I don't want to respond to the wrong one :)

Forgive me if I misquote (and I may have walked into a quagmire -hehe) but it sounds like you want to ditch the GOP and walk off. What does that do for the country and for furthing the defense of the constitution? How does that keep the government in limited check and ensure our rights are returned and secured for generations to come?

tomveil
01-30-2008, 01:13 AM
Forgive me if I misquote (and I may have walked into a quagmire -hehe) but it sounds like you want to ditch the GOP and walk off. What does that do for the country and for furthing the defense of the constitution? How does that keep the government in limited check and ensure our rights are returned and secured for generations to come?

No offense, but have you been paying attention?

The GOP is not interested in any of what you're talking about. They are interested in more power, more money, and more control over you. The GOP is morally bankrupt and people are leaving in DROVES. They have been for years. When talking to people, I lost a lot of them because they simply would not vote for a republican. I would try to tell them that I was a democrat, but it was too late. People hear Republican, and it's over.

You've gotta realize that Ron Paul is a once in a lifetime candidate. Somebody who's record backs up what he believes. Somebody who's not afraid to be the lone NO vote on a bill. Somebody who's a veteran, a doctor, AND the most conservative member of congress. If the GOP can't get behind this guy, what makes you think that they will get behind anybody who talks about personal liberty and smaller government?

jarofclay
01-30-2008, 01:16 AM
No offense, but have you been paying attention?

The GOP is not interested in any of what you're talking about. They are interested in more power, more money, and more control over you. The GOP is morally bankrupt and people are leaving in DROVES. They have been for years. When talking to people, I lost a lot of them because they simply would not vote for a republican. I would try to tell them that I was a democrat, but it was too late. People hear Republican, and it's over.

You've gotta realize that Ron Paul is a once in a lifetime candidate. Somebody who's record backs up what he believes. Somebody who's not afraid to be the lone NO vote on a bill. Somebody who's a veteran, a doctor, AND the most conservative member of congress. If the GOP can't get behind this guy, what makes you think that they will get behind anybody who talks about personal liberty and smaller government?

All the republicans I know think Ron Paul is awesome. We run into the neocons ever once in awhile, but its time to expose them for what they are... NOT REPUBLICANS. :)

tomveil
01-30-2008, 01:19 AM
All the republicans I know think Ron Paul is awesome. We run into the neocons ever once in awhile, but its time to expose them for what they are... NOT REPUBLICANS. :)

Well I hope that's true. But look who it looks like they're nominating. Too many people blindly pick the D or the R in the general without realizing that the way that they change the party is in the primary. And the people in power aren't pulling out any stops to keep their power. Even if they are a minority, they're a hell of a lot better off in that position then they would be if people realized that there was another way to live.

Feelgood
01-30-2008, 01:25 AM
I've been a republican since I was 18. After this election, the party has lost another member.

+1