It's the OLD PEOPLE, stupid !

[RonRules]

After seeing the results in Nevada, where 45% of Republican voters were over the age of 60, I tried to alert everyone I know that the same thing would happen in Florida. I posted similar comments here at least 10 times.

I'm now reading form the CNN exit polls that 49% of Republican voters in Florida were over the age of 60. Just as expected.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#FL

We will have an EMBARRASSING loss in Florida, which may kick us out of the debates. At 7:30 PM, I'm seeing that we are NECK and NECK with Fred THOMPSON for crying out loud. Is ANYBODY listening here?

Look people, if you want to have ANY further effect in these elections, please concentrate your efforts to older voters. Get the precinct list from your meetup leader, sort out the older voters and go talk to them. I suggest you first send them DVD, but that must be done quickly, in one or two days max. Go to old folks homes, bingos, churches. This is URGENT.

I tried to start threads for older voters, only to have them ridiculed by juveniles. Older folks watch a lot of TV and most are not on the internet. Some are, but that's not enough. That's why the DVD's are the best way to spread the message.

Please drop the RevolUTION talk. Please drop the "NO IRS" talk. Drop the "Opt out of Social Security". All this does nothing to help us get older voters on board. You may believe in these goals, like I do, but it makes no sense if we can't convince older voters.

It's all about getting the OLD voters on board. Drop everything and concentrate on that.

We can do MUCH better for Super Tuesday, but our current efforts are not producing anything except frustration.

Call your grandparents, they probably have not heard from you in a while.

[MikeStanart]

Retirement Homes, Retirement Communities, and Churches!

Don't forget to OFFER THEM A RIDE to VOTE!

[Nic4Truth]

Yes !! that is what i keep saying - Old folks need to hear about him and how he will be good for them, and how he wont take away their SS benefits. Thats all they care about ..lol... My own Gma is actually open to hearing and learning about RP.. yet she has NO computer, and NO DVD player- lol. But, after the rate cuts, and all that has been happening lately w/ the economy, I think she lost some serious $, and is very against what they are doing, and worried. Believe me i had no hope for her, and if she can be converted, anyone can!! Once my dad learned about RP, he told Gma that (now deceased) Gpa would have voted for RP. I truly believe he would have. He loved Reagan, was a hunter, very intelligent and conservative. Once of the smartest men ive ever known.
My other gp's on the other hand are in love w/ Romney. My gma says hes so cute, and tells me my DH looks like him --grrrrrr... (not to mention my DH is only 30, lol)

What can we do to get the old folks vote guys n gals???? ideas?

[Ron2Win]

That is why things must sadly get a lot worst before we can truly improve.

Young people don't care, they just charge it to their credit card.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

We will have an EMBARRASSING loss in Florida, which may kick us out of the debates.

WTF. Ron is not competing in Florida.

[Yom]

We need to play up the fact that he's going to get rid of the tax on Social Security benefits. That's HUGE for many and no one else is talking about it!

He tried to pass the Senior Citizens Tax Elimination Act (H.R. 191) to deal with just this issue.

[PaultheSaint]

Don't blaim the old folk, blaim the young for not getting out and voting.

[RobS]

After seeing the results in Nevada, where 45% of Republican voters were over the age of 60, I tried to alert everyone I know that the same thing would happen in Florida. I posted similar comments here at least 10 times.

I'm now reading form the CNN exit polls that 49% of Republican voters in Florida were over the age of 60. Just as expected.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#FL

We will have an EMBARRASSING loss in Florida, which may kick us out of the debates. At 7:30 PM, I'm seeing that we are NECK and NECK with Fred THOMPSON for crying out loud. Is ANYBODY listening here?

Look people, if you want to have ANY further effect in these elections, please concentrate your efforts to older voters. Get the precinct list from your meetup leader, sort out the older voters and go talk to them. I suggest you first send them DVD, but that must be done quickly, in one or two days max. Go to old folks homes, bingos, churches. This is URGENT.

I tried to start threads for older voters, only to have them ridiculed by juveniles. Older folks watch a lot of TV and most are not on the internet. Some are, but that's not enough. That's why the DVD's are the best way to spread the message.

Please drop the RevolUTION talk. Please drop the "NO IRS" talk. Drop the "Opt out of Social Security". All this does nothing to help us get older voters on board. You may believe in these goals, like I do, but it makes no sense if we can't convince older voters.

It's all about getting the OLD voters on board. Drop everything and concentrate on that.

We can do MUCH better for Super Tuesday, but our current efforts are not producing anything except frustration.

Call your grandparents, they probably have not heard from you in a while.

You realize the campaign put nothing into Florida? We were expecting 5th... not a big deal lol.

[RonRules]

I will attend a Romney rally tomorrow near my place near Anaheim, CA. I won't bring my Ron Paul sign and come in incognito. I want to learn as much as possible.

Romney did FANTASTIC in Florida, considering the very small Mormon percentage there. He got ALL of Fred Thompson's votes and 1/2 of Giuiliani. WE DIDN'T GET ANY of those votes.

We need to learn form his campaign. How does he get the older voters. That's what I want to know.

Please stop harassing other candidates and instead learn from them.

[driller80545]

After seeing the results in Nevada, where 45% of Republican voters were over the age of 60, I tried to alert everyone I know that the same thing would happen in Florida. I posted similar comments here at least 10 times.

I'm now reading form the CNN exit polls that 49% of Republican voters in Florida were over the age of 60. Just as expected.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#FL

We will have an EMBARRASSING loss in Florida, which may kick us out of the debates. At 7:30 PM, I'm seeing that we are NECK and NECK with Fred THOMPSON for crying out loud. Is ANYBODY listening here?

Look people, if you want to have ANY further effect in these elections, please concentrate your efforts to older voters. Get the precinct list from your meetup leader, sort out the older voters and go talk to them. I suggest you first send them DVD, but that must be done quickly, in one or two days max. Go to old folks homes, bingos, churches. This is URGENT.

I tried to start threads for older voters, only to have them ridiculed by juveniles. Older folks watch a lot of TV and most are not on the internet. Some are, but that's not enough. That's why the DVD's are the best way to spread the message.

Please drop the RevolUTION talk. Please drop the "NO IRS" talk. Drop the "Opt out of Social Security". All this does nothing to help us get older voters on board. You may believe in these goals, like I do, but it makes no sense if we can't convince older voters.

It's all about getting the OLD voters on board. Drop everything and concentrate on that.

We can do MUCH better for Super Tuesday, but our current efforts are not producing anything except frustration.

Call your grandparents, they probably have not heard from you in a while.

At 3% I'd say were not getting much of the younger vote either.

[RonRules]

Don't blaim the old folk, blaim the young for not getting out and voting.

Hey, kiddo, you might want to lean how to spell. Old folks know that well.

[RonRules]

Does anybody see a trend here ?:
10%, 8%, 6%, 14%, 0%, 4%, 3%.

It ain't working folks! There was a lot of effort from the grassroots in Florida, but the work resulted in TURNING OFF the old vote. It's like the MORE YOU WORK, THE WORST THE OUTCOME.

Yelling in the streets, large RevolUTION banners, chasing reporters, just isn't the way. Look at Romney's campaign. That's WORKING.

Bake cookies, clean your finger nails, tie you shoe laces, pull up your gang banger jeans and get a belt! THEN GO TALK TO OLD PEOPLE !

[hrdman2luv]

Young people just don't friggin vote. It's a statistical fact. More Homosexuals vote then young people. More older people vote than young people. More of almost every demographic vote than your people.

But, one thing is for sure. More young people are on the internet. But, that doesn't seem to resonate in votes.
To reply on the younger voters to bring Ron Paul to the for-front is preposterous.
When the media and supporters talk about how Ron Paul is attracting younger voters, it excluded older voters.

I realize there are young, middle aged, and older voters. But the numbers are very visible and discriminatory.

[thomaseusin]

which is why we should CHIPIN AND HELP THESE GUYS OUT because old people read the papers!

TN Ron Paul Media Blitz! (Tennessean Newspaper Ad for Middle Tennessee)
Thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=104073
Chipin: http://tennesseansforhonestpoliticians.chipin.com

Ron Paul 2008 Utah Ads (11 Additional Local Newspaper Ads)
Thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=97475
Chipin: http://davegarber1975.chipin.com/ron-paul-2008-utah-ads

Ron Paul Sevier County Ads (1/2 Page Ad in East TN)
Thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=103155
Chipin: http://ronpaulmountainpressad.chipin.com

Ron Paul TV Advertising for Greater Cleaveland Area
Thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=102922
Chipin: http://ronpaullakegeauga.chipin.com

Ohio4RonPaul (65 Local Newspapers)
Thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=97039
Chipin: http://ohio4ronpaul.chipin.com/o

Syracuse, NY - Stamps (10,000 stamps for 10,000 written letters in Syracuse)
Thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=103498
Chipin: http://freedompress.chipin.com

FoxValleyWisconsin (10,000 CommonSense 2.0 flyers in Wisconsin)
Thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=102683
Chipin: http://foxvalleywisconsin.chipin.com

Ron Paul Newspaper Ads in NW Montana (9 Local Newspapers)
Thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=100779
Chipin: http://montana4ronpaul.chipin.com

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[hillbilly]

To the old folks & neocons (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=104886)

[MikeStanart]

Does anybody see a trend here ?:
10%, 8%, 6%, 14%, 0%, 4%, 3%.

It ain't working folks! There was a lot of effort from the grassroots in Florida, but the work resulted in TURNING OFF the old vote. It's like the MORE YOU WORK, THE WORST THE OUTCOME.

Yelling in the streets, large RevolUTION banners, chasing reporters, just isn't the way. Look at Romney's campaign. That's WORKING.

Bake cookies, clean your finger nails, tie you shoe laces, pull up your gang banger jeans and get a belt! THEN GO TALK TO OLD PEOPLE !


/Agree.

If you want older people to take you seriously....at least take the effort to make yourself look professional for them.

Otherwise; they may just disregard you as a hippie.

[RonRules]

75% of the voters were OVER 45 YEARS OLD !

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#FL

(Look below on the right and add up the 45-59 and 60+ columns.

Need I say more?

[pacelli]

Blimp-Effect = Negative effect?

[Jennifer]

What's with this "Old" crap?! :mad: How about using the word "Senior". Geez! How about anyone younger than 30 be referred to as "juvenile snot noses"?

[RonRules]

I'm kind of glad McCain is winning. Romney and McCain will duke it out even more on SuperTuesday and draw down their resources.

I just can't believe how many are voting for Fred Thompson. 12,067 with 29% reporting. What planet are these people on ? !!

[RonRules]

Blimp-Effect = Negative effect?

Possibly. It could be seen as an extravagant expense by Seniors.

[RonRules]

What's with this "Old" crap?! :mad: How about using the word "Senior". Geez! How about anyone younger than 30 be referred to as "juvenile snot noses"?

You're right. Seniors from now on.

[thuja]

We need to play up the fact that he's going to get rid of the tax on Social Security benefits. That's HUGE for many and no one else is talking about it!

He tried to pass the Senior Citizens Tax Elimination Act (H.R. 191) to deal with just this issue.

good to tell people this, but most do not recieve enough to even file income tax. the important thing is how he plans to save social security for the people who depend on it.

also, try to print out this info on a nice peice of paper.
you have noticed that a lot of people have no computer, or do know how to use one, but also allow for people with no DVD player and no friends who have one. just a nice peice of paper, and the other usual informational things will be best.

old people should get to knowR P, and they will love him like the rest of us do.

[govtpigII]

Look. Ron has to speak TO the people. He gets on his rants about stuff people have no clue about. He needs to say things like "I would like to put money back into the pockets of hard working Americans by......."

People want to feel like he is talking TO them. Why does he not do this, he babbles on about policies and the economy and that flies over the heads of 95% of the sheeple.

[ursamajor]

In a general election, there will be a much higher percentage of young voters. None of my friends are registered anything. I am starting to get ready for a third party run.

[thuja]

Possibly. It could be seen as an extravagant expense by Seniors.

i don't think so. they will love seeing it.

[thuja]

Look. Ron has to speak TO the people. He gets on his rants about stuff people have no clue about. He needs to say things like "I would like to put money back into the pockets of hard working Americans by......."

People want to feel like he is talking TO them. Why does he not do this, he babbles on about policies and the economy and that flies over the heads of 95% of the sheeple.

yes, this is a problem.

[virginiakid]

/Agree.

If you want older people to take you seriously....at least take the effort to make yourself look professional for them.

Otherwise; they may just disregard you as a hippie.

I agree.

[Jennifer]

Thanks for changing to the word "senior". My mother, 90 years young, has never missed an election. As a matter of fact one of her children was born on electon day but she insisted she vote FIRST before going to the hospital! Go MOM!

[raystone]

WTF. Ron is not competing in Florida.



Hello ! You think maybe voters in Maine, Gigi Tuesday states aren't going to see the 3% and say, well, I'd vote for someone who might have a chance, but NOT someone who has NO chance !!!

[pcosmar]

It's the OLD PEOPLE, stupid !

No, It's the Stupid people.

There are informed and intelligent Old People, unfortunately there are a lot of really stupid people of all ages.

[driller80545]

Look. Ron has to speak TO the people. He gets on his rants about stuff people have no clue about. He needs to say things like "I would like to put money back into the pockets of hard working Americans by......."

People want to feel like he is talking TO them. Why does he not do this, he babbles on about policies and the economy and that flies over the heads of 95% of the sheeple.

This is true. And it seems to me that the rest of the time he isn't talking to anyone at all.

[familydog]

I'm not sure why old people are the scapegoat. Young people are just as bad, maybe even worse.

[angrydragon]

I think we could get the youth vote by sponsoring dance clubs, night clubs and such.

Grassroots for Ron Paul 2008 sponsors club something night.

[Copernicus]

Old people? Probably, cause they are the most set in their ways.
Apparently the young didn't come through for us either. What's with that?
I'm begining to think the country is too far gone to recognize a savior like Ron.
I mean, if Thomas Jefferson were
to return and run for president his ideas wouldn't resonate either.
Oh that's right, he has returned!

[AlbemarleNC0003]

More Homosexuals vote then young people.

Is there a specific age at which we can be considered homosexual? I came out at 26. Was that too soon?

From the Log Cabin Republican website:

What We Believe

We are loyal Republicans. We believe in limited government, strong national defense, free markets, low taxes, personal responsibility, and individual liberty. Log Cabin represents an important part of the American family—taxpaying, hard working people who proudly believe in this nation's greatness. We also believe all Americans have the right to liberty and equality. We believe equality for gay and lesbian people is in the finest tradition of the Republican Party. We educate our Party about why inclusion wins. Opposing gay and lesbian equality is inconsistent with the GOP's core principles of smaller government and personal freedom.

Sound familiar? There were plenty of gay people in Florida that would have benefited from this message. I hope the CA and IL people are working there on getting the gay vote.

[devil21]

Does anybody see a trend here ?:
10%, 8%, 6%, 14%, 0%, 4%, 3%.

It ain't working folks! There was a lot of effort from the grassroots in Florida, but the work resulted in TURNING OFF the old vote. It's like the MORE YOU WORK, THE WORST THE OUTCOME.

Yelling in the streets, large RevolUTION banners, chasing reporters, just isn't the way. Look at Romney's campaign. That's WORKING.

Bake cookies, clean your finger nails, tie you shoe laces, pull up your gang banger jeans and get a belt! THEN GO TALK TO OLD PEOPLE !

Romney's campaign is nothing more than dumping his personal fortune into bombarding tv and radio with ads while looking and sounding somewhat presidential while the media sucks up to him. I think the sad truth is that people overall just dont care about issues anymore. If they ever really did in the first place? I do agree that looking like shit while canvassing won't help but there are bigger things in play here. The media blackout is killing this campaign...

[RonRules]

75% of Republicans were over the age of 45.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#FL

I still see threads blaming Diebold ! I'm not sure who's dumber the 80,000 Florida voters that voted for Thompson or the vote rigging paranoids?

[driller80545]

75% of Republicans were over the age of 45.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#FL

I still see threads blaming Diebold ! I'm not sure who's dumber the 80,000 Florida voters that voted for Thompson or the vote rigging paranoids?

bump That's funny!

[thuja]

I'm not sure why old people are the scapegoat. Young people are just as bad, maybe even worse.

they ARE, so talk to ALL people, but try to pick an issue or two, and explain them fully. not the whole list lightly, but AN issue, then be available to answer, if possble, any other things. most do not have the attention span to take in all the issues at one time.

[GoDrNo]

I will attend a Romney rally tomorrow near my place near Anaheim, CA. I won't bring my Ron Paul sign and come in incognito. I want to learn as much as possible.

Romney did FANTASTIC in Florida, considering the very small Mormon percentage there. He got ALL of Fred Thompson's votes and 1/2 of Giuiliani. WE DIDN'T GET ANY of those votes.

We need to learn form his campaign. How does he get the older voters. That's what I want to know.

Please stop harassing other candidates and instead learn from them.

Romney also probably spent $5 million or more in FL, RP spent hardly a dime, FL was never to be, it's a winner take all state and HQ never ever planned on doing well there.

[RonRules]

75% of Republicans were over the age of 45.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#FL

I still see threads blaming Diebold ! I'm not sure who's dumber the 80,000 Florida voters that voted for Thompson or the vote rigging paranoids?

Correction, it's going to be around 35,000 people that voted for Fred Thompson.
14,911 with 41% reporting.

That's still a lot of packed trailer parks.

[PaultheSaint]

Hey, kiddo, you might want to lean how to spell. Old folks know that well.


OK THERE KIDDO, I WILL DO THAT

[RonRules]

Romney also probably spent $5 million or more in FL, RP spent hardly a dime, FL was never to be, it's a winner take all state and HQ never ever planned on doing well there.

That was a bad move, exactly like Guiliani not putting much emphasis on early states. He HAD 45% of the vote and he totally lost everything. Kent Snyder the campaign director has NO CLUE.

Instead of going to Maine, RP should have been in Fla for at least 3 days in the main cities.

A 9-10% showing would not be ridiculed as it is now. I just heard on KFI AM 640 "It's only McCain and Romney now, everybody else (and they named them) are out"

[sharpsteve2003]

Older folks love when they see younger folks being interested in them and politics. If the young Ron Paul supporters were to target the seniors we could really turn this around. Stress the future of their grandchildren. Stick to the basic issues, Social security, Economy, War. Study the issues by using http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/ don't wing it! Know the issues! Senior are willing to listen and can be swayed. Organize with senior centers and the like and hit them in groups if possible. Just be as adorable and sweet as you possibly can to them and they will wish you were their grandchild and will listen.

[thuja]

it is difficult to spell propely when thee ae nutshells unde the keys.
lean to vaccum them out.

[thuja]

Older folks love when they see younger folks being interested in them and politics. If the young Ron Paul supporters were to target the seniors we could really turn this around. Stress the future of their grandchildren. Stick to the basic issues, Social security, Economy, War. Study the issues by using http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/ don't wing it! Know the issues! Senior are willing to listen and can be swayed. Organize with senior centers and the like and hit them in groups if possible. Just be as adorable and sweet as you possibly can to them and they will wish you were their grandchild and will listen.

good, and do not try so hard to not look and act like hippies that you look and act like salesmen.

[hillbilly]

Older folks love when they see younger folks being interested in them and politics. If the young Ron Paul supporters were to target the seniors we could really turn this around. Stress the future of their grandchildren. Stick to the basic issues, Social security, Economy, War. Study the issues by using http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/ don't wing it! Know the issues! Senior are willing to listen and can be swayed. Organize with senior centers and the like and hit them in groups if possible. Just be as adorable and sweet as you possibly can to them and they will wish you were their grandchild and will listen.

To the old folks & neo-cons (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1154682&posted=1#post1154682)

I did find better responses to these folk when I did not talk about the war at all. I let them bring up the war, if they want to talk about it..... but then again I'm centered between camp LeJeune & Cherry Point MCAS & right in the midst of wrinkled neo-con central here in NC. :rolleyes:

[LibertyEagle]

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[Highstreet]

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