Bush ORDERS Congress to Stay in Session

[freelance]

Well, if this doesn't take mega cajones, I don't know what does.

So, the court finds parts of GW's spying program to be unconstitutional and news slipped out. He ordered Congress, since according to him Congress' function is to craft legislation to suit him, to rework the FISA legislation to suit ...

Well, I'm just too mad to put a coherent sentence together or even type. Read it for yourself here:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bush_Congress_must_stay_at_work_0803.html

[SeanEdwards]

Some guy sent a letter to the Lou Dobbs show that was hilarious. It said:

"If Bush is going to order Congress to stay in session, maybe they can find the time to impeach him."

[freelance]

From your lips to God's ear.

[ShaneC]

I wish there were words to describe me rage.

My vocabulary apparently isn't large enough.

[hard@work]

"If Bush is going to order Congress to stay in session, maybe they can find the time to impeach him."

haha that's heeelarious.

But, it's yet again another "impeach" message. Who doesn't want this guy impeached? I keep hearing the dems excuses for not proceeding but I can't find a single American that doesn't want to see investigations started (real ones into the presidency, not AG).

I just hate to drift to far into delusions that our govt. is that intent on not obeying the people. But, I guess posting that thought here is more delusional than just saying it outright: the govt. is not intent on obeying the people.

:P

[Revolution9]

I wish there were words to describe me rage.

My vocabulary apparently isn't large enough.

I am so enraged at the boobocratic indolence promulgated in massive heaps of indgnity mounted like a sanguinating parasite on the backs of our People, disgorging the stench of its vituperative efflugences in a vomitus of reprehensible compressions disguised as legislative brouhaha, but rightly more akin to the toilet washings gardylooed out an 18th century second story Londinium flats finestrum onto passerby below.

HTH:cool:
Randy

[thomj76]

My thoughts upon this subject are as follows, and are a paraphrasing of Federalist Paper #10:

'It would help restore the confidence of the American People in their Government if the Legislative Branch were to hip-check the Executive Branch and restore the balance of power. It is time for the self-aggrandizing to end, and the healing to begin. The framers intended Congress to be the primary lawmakers in this country, and dark days have fallen on our Republic.'

Publius Rex doesn't like this factional hex! :mad:

[LibertyEagle]

Hey Rev... what do you really think? :D

[LibertyEagle]

Well, if this doesn't take mega cajones, I don't know what does.

So, the court finds parts of GW's spying program to be unconstitutional and news slipped out. He ordered Congress, since according to him Congress' function is to craft legislation to suit him, to rework the FISA legislation to suit ...

Well, I'm just too mad to put a coherent sentence together or even type. Read it for yourself here:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bush_Congress_must_stay_at_work_0803.html

They should tell him to %$$#$%!!!

[ThePieSwindler]

Well.... while i understand people's sentiments, lets thin kthis through. If Bush is impeached, Cheney has to be impeached as well. If they are both impeached, Pelosi becomes president. If pelosi is president, she become the incumbent. As a democratic incumbent in a democratic year, she'll probably have no problem getting re-elected. Impeaching bush would just put people that are hardly better in place of him, and might actually hurt Ron's chances at re-election, because of the fact that they would be incumbent democrats.

[Revolution9]

Hey Rev... what do you really think? :D

Heh. I like to give a helping hand to a fellow RP supporter in his moment of grief while at a loss for words. I hope I have contributed:)

Best Regards
Randy

[IrrigatedPancake]

This sounds like a good time to call Congresspeople and Senators to give them a talkin' to.

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

[LibertyEagle]

Heh. I like to give a helping hand to a fellow RP supporter in his moment of grief while at a loss for words. I hope I have contributed:)

Best Regards
Randy

I don't have your way with words. Impeach the SOB, will have to do for me. :)

[Revolution9]

I don't have your way with words. Impeach the SOB, will have to do for me. :)

Like I said.. We ALL bring individual things to the table. I congratulate you on your efforts so far in RP's favor. You deserve a tall cold beer and a pat on the back. I'll smoke the joint if you don't indulge:)

Best Regards
Randy

[Mesogen]

So Bush considers this an "extraordinary occassion"?


Article 2
Section 3
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper

Bush wants congress to make a new law that allows him to violate citizens rights. When they don't he considers it an extraordinary occasion. If I were a leader in Congress, I'd tell him to eat shit and die in a fire, and then take it up with the Supreme Court. Let's play this game.

[LibertyBelle]

Well.... while i understand people's sentiments, lets thin kthis through. If Bush is impeached, Cheney has to be impeached as well. If they are both impeached, Pelosi becomes president. If pelosi is president, she become the incumbent. As a democratic incumbent in a democratic year, she'll probably have no problem getting re-elected. Impeaching bush would just put people that are hardly better in place of him, and might actually hurt Ron's chances at re-election, because of the fact that they would be incumbent democrats.

I have mentioned this same scenario before. Major quagmire. We are caught in between a rock and a hard place. I want them impeached, and yet worried what the side effects will be. Damn, we are one foot on land, one foot in quicksand. Pelosi has sold us down the river, too.

Now this ordering Congress to stay in session sounds very dictatorship-like to me. Long live King George! It's nothing but a circus now, we're living under the big tent called Big Gov't with Georgie as the ringmaster.

[Chelle]

Creeps me out how he keeps calling America the "homeland" a little too hitleresqe for me

[IrrigatedPancake]

Creeps me out how he keeps calling America the "homeland" a little too hitleresqe for me

That's exactly what I think every time I hear that word.

[jjschless]

Hmmm makes me think GWB is going to try and pull some shit while they are out of session....


Conspiracy fodder ;)

[fluoridatedbrainsoup]

This is going to be a bloody month - the bridge collapse in Minnesota was just a teaser.

[LibertyBelle]

Creeps me out how he keeps calling America the "homeland" a little too hitleresqe for me

Uhuh, as compared to the 'Fatherland' in Germany, and 'Fatherland Security'. No joke! :eek:

Flouridatedbrainsoup, I hope you're wrong.

[TheEvilDetector]

This reeks of dictatorship.

KING BUSH: "I'm going to ask Congress to stay in session until they pass a bill that will give our intelligence community the tools they need to protect the United States."

In other words, Bush is coercing the congress to do what he wants them to do. If this is allowed now, there will be no stop to this. This is a very important precedent.

The scariest part of all this is that this is similar in some respects to what was occurring in the rise of Nazi Germany.

Of course USA is very far from Nazi Germany and the population has vastly more freedoms (respect for individualism) at present time, however there are very scary parallels that are beginning to emerge.

The following links demonstrate what unchecked executive power can achieve:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

The whole process that occurred in Nazi Germany is described here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichschaltung

Hitler was trying to consolidate executive and legislative powers and he succeeded. I am not saying that this is what is happening in US, but I am saying that alot of things that are currently happening in US have very worrying similarities to what was happening in Nazi Germany eg. Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, Suspension of Habeus Corpus, Illegal Surveillance, Secret Prisons, Torture, Pre-emptive warfare, Coverups, Commutation for Admin Insiders, Vote Fraud etc etc

Hitler also took control of the judiciary:
http://www.ithaca.edu/hs/history/journal/papers/fa03Hitler.htm

Choice quote: "One of the first extraordinary courts created by the Nazis were the Special Courts. The goal was to create an alternative judicial system that was free of the constraints imposed by conventional procedures and legal doctrines. March 21, 1933 brought upon the decree establishing the Special Courts, were procedures were expedited, appeals were not provided and the courts were authorized to exclude evidence that was not considered “essential” for determining the outcome of the trial.[22] The Special Courts were given jurisdiction over an array of wartime crimes including, the making of deliberately false or grossly distorted statements that compromised the integrity of the Reich, crimes against wartime economy and listening to and spreading international radio broadcasts. The courts were required to immediately impose punishment in instances where guilt was readily apparent, namely lengthy prison terms or death.[23] The efficiency of the Special Courts necessitated their expansion. In 1943, The Reich Minister of Justice observed that the Special Courts now heard virtually all important criminal cases. Basically speaking, anyone convicted of a criminal case was sent to a court that never allowed appeal, found minimal individuals innocent and were encouraged to dole out death penalties to those found guilty. The emergence of new courts did not stop here.

The most infamous institutional creation was established in April 24, 1934 and named the People’s Court. This court was envisioned to replace the Supreme Court and the first and last resort in treason trials. Each hearing sat five members, each appointed for five years by Hitler. Politics rather than law, with the main goal to eliminate opposition to National Socialism, blatantly guided the court. In 1941 the People’s Court delivered death sentences to ten percent of the defendants with the figures culminating between 1942 and 1944 when it rose to forty percent, approximately 12, 891 death sentences.[24]"

History has many lessons for us, it is troubling when people ignore history and repeat the same mistakes over and over and over again.

Let's see where this goes from here. Put your seatbelts on please.

Some fun legalese for you, as you can see the constitution is being eroded, in each of these laws, orders and directives as well as the separation of powers being eroded.

Guess where these come from:

"(e)(1) No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination. (2) Except as provided in paragraphs (2) and (3) of section 1005(e) of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (10 U.S.C. 801 note), no court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider any other action against the United States or its agents relating to any aspect of the detention, transfer, treatment, trial, or conditions of confinement of an alien who is or was detained by the United States and has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination."

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Section 213 amends 18 U. S. C. § 3103a, relating to warrants for the search and seizure of evidence of federal crimes, by adding the following: “With respect to the issuance of any warrant or court order under this section, or any other rule of law, to search for and seize any property or material that constitutes evidence of a criminal offense in violation of the laws of the United States, any notice required, or that may be required, to be given may be delayed if ... (1) the court finds reasonable cause to believe that providing immediate notification of the execution of the warrant may have an adverse result (as defined in section 2705); (2) the warrant prohibits the seizure of any tangible property ... except where the court finds reasonable necessity for the seizure; and (3) the warrant provides for the giving of such notice within a reasonable period of its execution, which period may thereafter be extended by the court for good cause shown.”

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"Except to the extent provided in section 203(b)(1), (3), and (4) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(1), (3), and (4)), or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the date of this order, all property and interests in property of the following persons, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States persons, are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in: any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense,"

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"Except to the extent provided in section 203(b)(1), (3), and (4) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(1), (3), and (4)), or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the date of this order, all property and interests in property that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of any United States person, including any overseas branch, of the following persons are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in:

(i) any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State:

(A) to have taken, or to pose a significant risk of taking,actions, including acts of violence, that have the purpose or effect of undermining Lebanon's democratic processes or institutions, contributing to the breakdown of the rule of law in Lebanon, supporting the reassertion of Syrian control or otherwise contributing to Syrian interference in Lebanon, or infringing upon or undermining Lebanese sovereignty; "

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"(6) The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government. In order to advise and assist the President in that function, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism (APHS/CT) is hereby designated as the National Continuity Coordinator. The National Continuity Coordinator, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs (APNSA), without exercising directive authority, shall coordinate the development and implementation of continuity policy for executive departments and agencies. The Continuity Policy Coordination Committee (CPCC), chaired by a Senior Director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, shall be the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination."

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"(e) "Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency;"

[freelance]

Well.... while i understand people's sentiments, lets thin kthis through. If Bush is impeached, Cheney has to be impeached as well. If they are both impeached, Pelosi becomes president. If pelosi is president, she become the incumbent. As a democratic incumbent in a democratic year, she'll probably have no problem getting re-elected. Impeaching bush would just put people that are hardly better in place of him, and might actually hurt Ron's chances at re-election, because of the fact that they would be incumbent democrats.

Three options and all doors lead to we, the people, getting screwed.


Article 2
Section 3
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper

Just substitute "temper tantrums" for "extraordinary Occasions."

[LizF]

This is rich coming from a guy who was 1) on vacation for a full month before the 9/11 attacks and 2) couldn't be bothered to cut his vacation short by even a couple of days to tour the damage from Hurricane Katrina. :rolleyes:

Asshat. :mad:

[freelance]

Hmmm makes me think GWB is going to try and pull some shit while they are out of session....

Ya THINK? I'll admit, I'm pretty spooked right now.

[Johnnybags]

and go in vacation anyway. What is the Chimp going to do? Arrest them? Make his decrees fall on deaf ears.

[freelance]

Make his decrees fall on deaf ears.

Today's pathetic excuse for Congresscritters will never do it.

[ShaneC]

http://www.axcessnews.com/index.php/articles/show/id/11873

it passed.

Here's a link to the "UNCLASSIFIED" version.

http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/NSA/fisabills/20070413-dni-fisa-proposal.pdf

[ape]

The threat of a possible al-Qaeda attack


"This legislation builds upon the considerable progress we have made in strengthening our defenses and protecting Americans since the attacks of September 11, 2001."

Gotta laugh at that. They use Al Qaeda and 9/11 to get whatever they want. Lieberman is a piece of shit.

[richard1984]

So Bush considers this an "extraordinary occassion"?

Bush wants congress to make a new law that allows him to violate citizens rights. When they don't he considers it an extraordinary occasion. If I were a leader in Congress, I'd tell him to eat shit and die in a fire, and then take it up with the Supreme Court. Let's play this game.

Seriously.

So why don't they? What are they afraid of? Why don't they resist control? The majority of the American people would be behind them if they stood up against this bullshit. So why don't they?

Maybe they will. Maybe Dr. Paul can help give them some backbone. But that's probably just wishful thinking....

[richard1984]

http://www.axcessnews.com/index.php/articles/show/id/11873

it passed.

Here's a link to the "UNCLASSIFIED" version.

http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/NSA/fisabills/20070413-dni-fisa-proposal.pdf

Damn...never mind....

What a bunch of pussies.


The only cure for this bullshit is President Ron Paul! He'll straighten them up and whip them into shape. He'll expect much better from everyone.

[glts]

The apathy of the American people is sickening. Our liberties are being stripped away and few seem to be aware or even care.

[freelance]

Shane,

I read your post earlier today and went crazy. You said, "it passed."

Just now, I looked at the link:

http://www.axcessnews.com/index.php/.../show/id/11873


Credit in passing the Republican drafted spy legislation goes to Connecticut Independent Senator Joe Lieberman...

What part of this surprises anyone?

I can't find anything that says that the House passed their version. It could be a long, hot summer in Washington.

[ShaneC]

Anyone ever find the actual bill number?

[freelance]

It's all here in tomorrow's NY Times article.

Democrats Feel Pressure on Spy Program

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/05/washington/05nsa.html?ei=5065&en=cfcc6cd246c77500&ex=1186891200&adxnnl=1&partner=MYWAY&adxnnlx=1186264929-5+kges2j4jXmMNV6R32Exw&pagewanted=print

I thought I'd never find a current update!

[ShaneC]

Still haven't seen anything come out of the House

[ShaneC]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2007-836

U.S. House passes changes in surveillance program

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/05/america/05nsa.php

[TheEvilDetector]

History of Early 21st century America can be summed up in 4 words:

The Rise of Fascism.

--
PS. How much longer are we prepared to let congress and the executive piss all over our civil liberties while the grossly criminal administration uses the terrorist excuse over and over again to burn all protections in the constitution?

Did the people who fought and died to provide us with the constitution, do so for nothing?

This is so sickening and blatant, its in the twilight zone as ACLU has mentioned.

[freelance]

This is so sickening and blatant, its in the twilight zone as ACLU has mentioned.

Yeah, well the ACLU talks a good game, but what exactly have they accomplished in terms of securing our stolen rights! I'd be furious if I were a card-carrying member. I'm beginning to think that they're part of TPTB structure.

[TheEvilDetector]

Yeah, well the ACLU talks a good game, but what exactly have they accomplished in terms of securing our stolen rights! I'd be furious if I were a card-carrying member. I'm beginning to think that they're part of TPTB structure.

It is in the TPTB rulebook to create and fund fake opposition. I have trouble believing ACLU is that, but you never know LOL.

[freelance]

Evil, I've become so cynical in the past few years that I doubt everything. I may have swung a bit to the "overboard" side, but just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not coming after you. :confused:

[TheEvilDetector]

Evil, I've become so cynical in the past few years that I doubt everything. I may have swung a bit to the "overboard" side, but just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not coming after you. :confused:

I understand where you are coming from. Certainly, the sheer speed with each new law, directive, order, action or press release comes out that in some way violate our or other people's rights and liberties gives some justification for being worried.

[Stuck in the Sand]

These last two posts are why Ron Paul supporters get stereotyped. Get off it. You do not have people hiding in your closet or planting bugs in your plants (the electronic kind). Laws are laws and they have been chipping away at our freedom since the moment they gave them to us/we took them. Nothing new there.

[freelance]

These last two posts are why Ron Paul supporters get stereotyped. Get off it. You do not have people hiding in your closet or planting bugs in your plants (the electronic kind).

No, I have no intention of getting off it.

Planting bugs? How 'bout our cell phones, for starters?

FBI taps cell phone mic as eavesdropping tool

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6140191.html

(from ZDNet!)

How about yesterday's law to cover everyone ass:

Whistle-Blower Outs NSA Spy Room

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/04/70619

And finally, how about the possibility that this is true:

CDD: Television Will Watch Viewers

http://www.privacy.org/archives/000811.html#000811

[Stuck in the Sand]

As far as the Cell phone and the TV go, you are the consumer and choose what you buy. If you know that a TV has the ability to watch you then don't buy it. If you don't like the idea of a cell phone giving away where you are then don't buy the unit with GPS installed. Crap, don't even use a cell phone if you are that paranoid. As far as bugging technology goes, I would be sorely upset if our governement didn't have the ability to turn a simple speaker (Cell Phone) into a listening device. We've been doing that for eons. The cell phone in particular is a little bit modern but then again so are cell phones themselves. Also, just because you link to something on ZDNET and Wired doesn't mean that they are after you.

Do I like these laws? Absolutely not. Anybody who thinks their privacy and freedom are a constitutional guarantee hates them. Does that mean I'm going to go off the deep end and act like an idiot? I guess that would depend on whether I honestly have something to hide or not.

[freelance]

I prove a few points with links to mostly mainstream source, and I'm an idiot, going off the deep end?

I suppose you need someone to beat up on today. Better you abuse verbally and virtually than physically in person. WHATEVER!