Cutting Funds for AMERICAN Elderly to Fund illegal immgration -

[Lord Xar]

right now, apparently there is a big bruhaha on the floor in which a few republians are trying their damndest to prevent Pelosi (who greatly supports this) from happening..

anybody know more?

Apparently they want to fund the healthcare of illegal immigrants by cutting social security from the elderyly... a friggin travesty.

[freelance]

Get outta here! I know that all hell's been breaking loose on the floor since last night.

[Lord Xar]

yeah.. it is SO ridiculous... and PELOSI is right behind it all pandering to special interests... she figures "who cares about the elderly...", let take care of the "soon to be voters..."..

go to alipac.us to get the latest scoop and the lowdown.... people need to be GOING CRAZY.. can you imagine.. these elderly people paying into a system their WHOLE lives, and they are gonna be cutting it for people who WHO SHOULD NOT EVEN BE HERE....

is this a socialist country??? I am confused.

[freelance]

Nah, the Soviet Union didn't fall. They just EXPORTED it across the Atlantic.

[aravoth]

They do that and I'll start crackin skulls!

[Bloody Holly]

that is sickening. Who do these people work for again??

[Lord Xar]

They do that and I'll start crackin skulls!

you better start crackin cause IT IS BEING DEBATED NOW... Very Very heated exchanges....

here is where I am getting the info:
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=436921#436921

There are other threads foating around.. you would SO SURPISED at how much legislaton is getting pushed behind our backs....

[aravoth]

This got me all fired up now. I am livid

[freelance]

Where are you finding it? I went out to CSPAN.org, and they were debating the bridge in MN.

[Johnnybags]

people changing votes right and left, Oh please vote out all incumbents you dimwits.

[Dustancostine]

Dean, what is the HR #, I am going to call my congressman.

[freelance]

Gotta love it. I turned Lou off to catch CSPAN and missed it on Lou! I can't win today.

So, what finally happened?

[Lord Xar]

This got me all fired up now. I am livid

dude... you don't even know. I am ALWAYS fired up.. That site keeps UP TO DATE of all the friggin hoopla that is going on (alipac.us & numbersusa.com) ... Its VERY up to date, and everyone is very involved giving the dish on what politicians are "really" up to.. Its soo sickening about the Pelosi's of the political spectrum.. its very very real, some BIG agenda is being pushed and we gotta push back..

Perhaps when you get a moment, you could put your considerable video talents to the issues of illegal immigration and the effects on america and how sell-out politicians are pandering to illegal immigrants while OVERLOOKING AMERICANS

[Johnnybags]

and all the spendthrifts bleeding hearts in congress.

[Dustancostine]

What is the bill??????????

[SeanEdwards]

This is hot news. Apparently the Democrats just blatantly overturned a vote they lost, apologized for the breach of rules, but let the manipulation stand. Basically they asserted an authoritarian power over what's supposed to be a democratic process. The Republicans walked out and are talking about burning their voting cards in response.

[Dustancostine]

That really angers me. Lets throw the whole lot of them out.....'

It also sucks that they are having this tight of a vote while the doctor is out of town.

[angelatc]

This is hot news. Apparently the Democrats just blatantly overturned a vote they lost, apologized for the breach of rules, but let the manipulation stand. Basically they asserted an authoritarian power over what's supposed to be a democratic process. The Republicans walked out and are talking about burning their voting cards in response.

Shouldn't that be treason or something impeachable? It's just beyond belief when a vote is manipulated like that.

[Gee]

and all the spendthrifts bleeding hearts in congress.
They aren't bleeding hearts. The dems want amnesty so they can gather more immigrant votes. Its the oldest trick in the book.

[freelance]

Okay, so where does this stand? Did it pass? OR NOT?

[SeanEdwards]

Shouldn't that be treason or something impeachable? It's just beyond belief when a vote is manipulated like that.

Seems impeachable to me, but that's asking for the majority to impeach themselves. Is that likely?

[PennCustom4RP]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0708/03/ldt.01.html
CNN.com - Transcripts

Here is Transcript from Lou Dobbs

DOBBS: There was chaos, angry charges of unfairness, a walkout, tensions boiling over in the House of Representatives late last night, Republicans shouting at the Democrats, "Shame, shame."

And as Lisa Sylvester now reports, Republicans today remained furious. They say Democrats tried to stop an effort to deny benefits to illegal aliens.

LISA SYLVESTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The floor of the House of Representatives disintegrated into a shouting match.

REP. MICHAEL MCNULTY (D), NEW YORK: ... to 214. The motion is unagreed to.

SYLVESTER: Angry Republicans erupted with chants of "Shame, shame."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shame, shame, shame, shame, shame!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shame, shame, shame, shame, shame!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shame, shame, shame, shame, shame!

SYLVESTER: The explosion happened as the House was debating whether to prohibit illegal aliens from receiving welfare benefits. Deciding Democrat Michael McNulty ruled that the vote failed.

Even though when the gavel came down, the official tally showed otherwise: 215 in favor, 213 against. Democrats then accepted additional vote switches, changing the final tally to 216 against, 212 in favor. Republicans walked off the floor.

REP. MIKE PENCE (R), INDIANA: Republicans won the vote to deny illegal immigrants welfare benefits, and the imperial Democrat majority changed the vote.

REP. BRIAN BILBRAY (R), CALIFORNIA: There are people in this town that are willing to break the rules and do extraordinary maneuvers just so that illegal aliens can get benefits.

SYLVESTER: Earlier in the week Republicans butted heads with Democrats over legislation that allows illegal aliens to participate in a children's health care program.

And it comes amid Republican complaints that Democrats are engaging in heavy-handed tactics to push their agenda.

REP. JEB HENSARLING (R), TEXAS: They said this would be the most fair, open and Democratic Congress ever. And they did not shoot straight with the American people.

SYLVESTER: Democrats offered apologies but were not willing to change the vote.

MCNULTY: I wish to express my apology to all of the members of the House for calling the vote prematurely.

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: A misunderstanding occurred. An apology for that inconvenience was given. And now we're moving onto what's next.

SYLVESTER: The dust-up forced the House into recess for most of the morning.

(END VIDEOTAPE) SYLVESTER: And now we have a standoff. Republicans say until this issue is resolved, they will not proceed with any business. The only exceptions are two pieces of legislation: to respond to the Minnesota bridge collapse and action on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act -- Lou.

DOBBS: That is just outright. A vote 215-213 as the gavel fell. That's about as bizarre as anything I've seen in the House in a long time.

SYLVESTER: You know, even Democrats are acknowledging this was unfair to Republicans, but they are unwilling to change the vote.

The bottom line is, and you can review this tape, the gavel goes down, the count was 215 to 213, but it was called 214 to 214. And with Congress, that is essentially "does not pass."

DOBBS: Well, the niceties of Congress. Speaking of is that, Lisa Sylvester, thank you.

Those Republicans tonight are outraged. I'm going to be talking with one of the most outraged among those officials about the high- handed majority.

Joining me now is the House minority whip, Roy Blunt, who's been highly critical of the Democrats' conduct last night.

I want to point out here, Congressman Blunt, we also invited Democratic members of the House leadership to discuss this issue with us here tonight, and they declined. Good to have you with us.

REP. ROY BLUNT (R-MO), MINORITY WHIP: Good to be with you. I don't blame for them for declining. I think, as you said, Lou, this was a pretty clear cut and outrageous determination to do the wrong thing.

And the real losers here are American taxpayers and Americans who are competing in the marketplace today.

This was an amendment that said people who were in the country illegally couldn't benefit from housing programs and couldn't be employed under this program.

And the Democrats -- 17 of the Democrats agreed with us. You know, we don't have a majority. So 17 of them agreed with us. That's how we got to that 215 number. And it was clearly ignored and abused by the majority party yesterday.

DOBBS: Well, meanwhile, the Democratic Party's leadership are driving through legislation with benefits for illegal aliens in this country, expressly against the wishes of the people, as revealed by poll after poll and by, I'm sure, their own -- the Congress's own telephone system and e-mail systems.

But I mean, what looked to me like, Congressman, and I've got to declare myself here. I'm an independent populist. I don't have a dog in your hunt. I mean, I don't think much of the job Republicans did in Congress last year. I don't think much of the job Democrats are doing.

But to watch that vote, 215-213, I've got to be honest with you, that's the kind of conduct I expect from some sort of banana republic.

BLUNT: Well, it's bad conduct, and I hope that our friends in the majority pay a price for it and learn a lesson from it.

People can expect us to come here to debate, to solve problems, to be an example of democracy, not an example of the kind of situation you just talked about. It's outrageous. It needs to change.

Last week, as was said before, we took money away from seniors with a Medicare cut so we could add money to both legal and illegal immigrants in the Children's Health Care Program. We almost -- all the Republicans, all but five of the Republicans voted against that, too.

We're going to fight this fight. And it's an important fight to fight. But it's hard to fight when they change the rules at the end of the game.

DOBBS: I don't know what -- I don't know what difference any of your votes will make, frankly, at this point. If -- if the leadership can simply call, as Congressman McNulty did, a 215-213 vote. That's remarkable.

But also remarkable is the idea that Congressman McNulty, whom I don't know -- I do know -- Congress -- Speaker Pelosi, the crocodile tears they were shedding over their regrettable error, for which they did apologize but which they won't make right.

BLUNT: Well, normally, you know, one of our common members early this morning mentioned to me maybe we just ought to vote our burning cards. If it doesn't do any good, if it doesn't make any difference, maybe our protest should be just to permanently realize that they're going to do whatever they want to do.

That's why we walked away last night. If our votes don't matter, let's not stand here and let the majority pretend like they do. And that they are advancing an agenda that the American people agree with. Because they don't agree with this agenda. And you and I both, I think, know that, Lou, as you said.

Our letters and our phone calls and our town hall meetings would all give plenty of evidence that we need to secure the borders. We need to have people who are in the workplace, in the workplace legally, and they don't need to be working for the federal government.

DOBBS: Well, I guess it was a result of last night, one could almost say, that the law was broken in terms of counting that vote to help those who had broken the law. So perhaps there is perfect symmetry in what has passed.

BLUNT: I'm very offended, as I can tell you are, by what happened yesterday. And I hope -- I hope it creates enough concern that this system changes. This Congress is now the least popular in the history of the country, and maybe that's why.

DOBBS: Well, I got to tell you, I can't see them after this, popularity rising. For either party in this -- in this Congress and in this dispute.

Congressman Roy Blunt, we thank you for being here.

BLUNT: Good to talk to you (ph).
.

[Dustancostine]

This is truly outrageous!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can someone please get me the HR# and the vote tally congressman please?

[Lord Xar]

People, I am beside myself.. THis country is losing iteself FASTTTTTTTTTTTT>.

I am so outraged that the democrates, led by PELOSI just corrupted the american system.. just outright lied... just outright suberted the will of the people...

WHAT the frig is going on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dustancostine, I told you... go to ALIPAC.US

I can't believe this... I really can't.. 50BILLION taxpayer dollars going to ILLEGALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE HAVE AMERICANS THAT NEED ASSITANCE..

CALL CALL CALL

[Lord Xar]

Email speaker pelosi and tell her how you feel about her subverting the will of the people AND the will of the VOTE!!

http://speaker.gov/contact/

[tati4freedom]

I cannot believe how things are anymore. Seriously. We have a President who just signed a second executive order to be able to literally steal all of the assets of any dissenters of his foreign policies, but in my state, Oregon, a police officer cannot even arrest an illegal for being an illegal, even if the guy walks in to a police station and announces that he's here illegally. If this doesn't piss you off, you might want to check your pulse.

[ThePieSwindler]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0708/03/ldt.01.html
CNN.com - Transcripts

Here is Transcript from Lou Dobbs

DOBBS: There was chaos, angry charges of unfairness, a walkout, tensions boiling over in the House of Representatives late last night, Republicans shouting at the Democrats, "Shame, shame."

And as Lisa Sylvester now reports, Republicans today remained furious. They say Democrats tried to stop an effort to deny benefits to illegal aliens.

LISA SYLVESTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The floor of the House of Representatives disintegrated into a shouting match.

REP. MICHAEL MCNULTY (D), NEW YORK: ... to 214. The motion is unagreed to.

SYLVESTER: Angry Republicans erupted with chants of "Shame, shame."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shame, shame, shame, shame, shame!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shame, shame, shame, shame, shame!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shame, shame, shame, shame, shame!

SYLVESTER: The explosion happened as the House was debating whether to prohibit illegal aliens from receiving welfare benefits. Deciding Democrat Michael McNulty ruled that the vote failed.

Even though when the gavel came down, the official tally showed otherwise: 215 in favor, 213 against. Democrats then accepted additional vote switches, changing the final tally to 216 against, 212 in favor. Republicans walked off the floor.

REP. MIKE PENCE (R), INDIANA: Republicans won the vote to deny illegal immigrants welfare benefits, and the imperial Democrat majority changed the vote.

REP. BRIAN BILBRAY (R), CALIFORNIA: There are people in this town that are willing to break the rules and do extraordinary maneuvers just so that illegal aliens can get benefits.

SYLVESTER: Earlier in the week Republicans butted heads with Democrats over legislation that allows illegal aliens to participate in a children's health care program.

And it comes amid Republican complaints that Democrats are engaging in heavy-handed tactics to push their agenda.

REP. JEB HENSARLING (R), TEXAS: They said this would be the most fair, open and Democratic Congress ever. And they did not shoot straight with the American people.

SYLVESTER: Democrats offered apologies but were not willing to change the vote.

MCNULTY: I wish to express my apology to all of the members of the House for calling the vote prematurely.

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: A misunderstanding occurred. An apology for that inconvenience was given. And now we're moving onto what's next.

SYLVESTER: The dust-up forced the House into recess for most of the morning.

(END VIDEOTAPE) SYLVESTER: And now we have a standoff. Republicans say until this issue is resolved, they will not proceed with any business. The only exceptions are two pieces of legislation: to respond to the Minnesota bridge collapse and action on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act -- Lou.

DOBBS: That is just outright. A vote 215-213 as the gavel fell. That's about as bizarre as anything I've seen in the House in a long time.

SYLVESTER: You know, even Democrats are acknowledging this was unfair to Republicans, but they are unwilling to change the vote.

The bottom line is, and you can review this tape, the gavel goes down, the count was 215 to 213, but it was called 214 to 214. And with Congress, that is essentially "does not pass."

DOBBS: Well, the niceties of Congress. Speaking of is that, Lisa Sylvester, thank you.

Those Republicans tonight are outraged. I'm going to be talking with one of the most outraged among those officials about the high- handed majority.

Joining me now is the House minority whip, Roy Blunt, who's been highly critical of the Democrats' conduct last night.

I want to point out here, Congressman Blunt, we also invited Democratic members of the House leadership to discuss this issue with us here tonight, and they declined. Good to have you with us.

REP. ROY BLUNT (R-MO), MINORITY WHIP: Good to be with you. I don't blame for them for declining. I think, as you said, Lou, this was a pretty clear cut and outrageous determination to do the wrong thing.

And the real losers here are American taxpayers and Americans who are competing in the marketplace today.

This was an amendment that said people who were in the country illegally couldn't benefit from housing programs and couldn't be employed under this program.

And the Democrats -- 17 of the Democrats agreed with us. You know, we don't have a majority. So 17 of them agreed with us. That's how we got to that 215 number. And it was clearly ignored and abused by the majority party yesterday.

DOBBS: Well, meanwhile, the Democratic Party's leadership are driving through legislation with benefits for illegal aliens in this country, expressly against the wishes of the people, as revealed by poll after poll and by, I'm sure, their own -- the Congress's own telephone system and e-mail systems.

But I mean, what looked to me like, Congressman, and I've got to declare myself here. I'm an independent populist. I don't have a dog in your hunt. I mean, I don't think much of the job Republicans did in Congress last year. I don't think much of the job Democrats are doing.

But to watch that vote, 215-213, I've got to be honest with you, that's the kind of conduct I expect from some sort of banana republic.

BLUNT: Well, it's bad conduct, and I hope that our friends in the majority pay a price for it and learn a lesson from it.

People can expect us to come here to debate, to solve problems, to be an example of democracy, not an example of the kind of situation you just talked about. It's outrageous. It needs to change.

Last week, as was said before, we took money away from seniors with a Medicare cut so we could add money to both legal and illegal immigrants in the Children's Health Care Program. We almost -- all the Republicans, all but five of the Republicans voted against that, too.

We're going to fight this fight. And it's an important fight to fight. But it's hard to fight when they change the rules at the end of the game.

DOBBS: I don't know what -- I don't know what difference any of your votes will make, frankly, at this point. If -- if the leadership can simply call, as Congressman McNulty did, a 215-213 vote. That's remarkable.

But also remarkable is the idea that Congressman McNulty, whom I don't know -- I do know -- Congress -- Speaker Pelosi, the crocodile tears they were shedding over their regrettable error, for which they did apologize but which they won't make right.

BLUNT: Well, normally, you know, one of our common members early this morning mentioned to me maybe we just ought to vote our burning cards. If it doesn't do any good, if it doesn't make any difference, maybe our protest should be just to permanently realize that they're going to do whatever they want to do.

That's why we walked away last night. If our votes don't matter, let's not stand here and let the majority pretend like they do. And that they are advancing an agenda that the American people agree with. Because they don't agree with this agenda. And you and I both, I think, know that, Lou, as you said.

Our letters and our phone calls and our town hall meetings would all give plenty of evidence that we need to secure the borders. We need to have people who are in the workplace, in the workplace legally, and they don't need to be working for the federal government.

DOBBS: Well, I guess it was a result of last night, one could almost say, that the law was broken in terms of counting that vote to help those who had broken the law. So perhaps there is perfect symmetry in what has passed.

BLUNT: I'm very offended, as I can tell you are, by what happened yesterday. And I hope -- I hope it creates enough concern that this system changes. This Congress is now the least popular in the history of the country, and maybe that's why.

DOBBS: Well, I got to tell you, I can't see them after this, popularity rising. For either party in this -- in this Congress and in this dispute.

Congressman Roy Blunt, we thank you for being here.

BLUNT: Good to talk to you (ph).
.

tl;dr
alwals sry im drunbk :_9

[freelance]

Thank you Penn for posting the transcript.

I actually breathed a sigh of relief election night, thinking that maybe, just maybe the Dems would put a stop to the travesties of the past six years, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! They're all bought and paid--traitors the entire lot of them.

I am simply at a loss for words.

[freelance]

But there's plenty of money for Bono's poverty initiative--with full support from the RNC.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070803/NATION/108030097/1001

That's $30B with a B, 1% of the federal budget. Had enough yet?

[LibertyEagle]

WHEN will the American people WAKE UP!!!!

[jcbraithwaite7]

I can't believe this isn't making big news... then again I shouldn't be shocked. I am getting really discouraged that we really don't have any hope. I sooo wish Ron Paul was there to stand up and hold these thieve's feet to the fire.

Where is the outrage?