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RWill
01-28-2008, 01:16 AM
Welcome Christians!

I have been reading a lot of posts about Christians so this thread is for us.

As the days go by, more and more Christians who once supported other candidates will come here to find out about Ron Paul. Let's do our best to welcome them.

It is my belief that Ron Paul's message is the most Biblically based message of all the candidates from any group. He is Pro Life, Pro Freedom, Pro Constitution and Anti War. It doesn't get much better than this.

Ron Paul follows the teachings of our Founding Fathers who were Christians and much wiser than most people today.

I am proud to be a Christian. Proud to use the name of Jesus in my daily life, and proud to be a part of the Ron Paul R3VOLUTION!

Join us and share the love. Let's change our country back to the vision it began with so we can once again be a light unto the world!

VIDEOS

PROLIFE / PRO CONSTITUTION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb1osemR4ys


Christian Endorsements
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkkV5_88WfE&eurl=http://www.operationbroadcastfreedom.com/

Homeschool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=393BLypi1cc

War
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1kDMtRfJso&feature=related


OTHER CHRISTIAN VIDEOS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CLsPeR1Zpc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZiRIDtwEsw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRmekXieYRY




(Please, if you are not a Christian, DO NOT post in this thread. Keep the posts positive. Not all Christians share the same beliefs. Please do not debate beliefs or other topics. Please do not criticize others. Please delete or edit as "Bump for Jesus" any inappropriate remarks that could offend others.)

gaazn
01-28-2008, 01:21 AM
the problem is that too many christians want to bomb iran

tnvoter
01-28-2008, 01:26 AM
I'm a born and raised in-Church Christian.

And I couldn't agree with you more.

virginiakid
01-28-2008, 01:37 AM
Thanks for the post. I was starting to get annoyed at some of the Christian bashing...wasn't happening all the time, but in spurts.

Anyway, A lot of "christians" are mislead as to who they should vote for and why. For some odd reason they want to take what their preacher tells them and will automatically vote for that person.

However, I wonder what Christians would say when they find out that Huckabee is really a fraud, who is on Judicial Watches top 10 most corrupt politicians. That He is AGAINST home-schooling, etc....

To be honest, I was for the war at first. Congress had 5 years to declare war, but they haven't . If they are not going to declare war, then it is an un-constitutional war, and we need to bring our troops home.

Sure, you want to see justice in the world. But are we justified staying in Iraq? Are we justified for threatening war on Iran, since the Iranian Revolutionary Guard has been fighting in Iraq already? Not if the war isn't a declared war.

Christians can be converted. Because even they are upset with the present.

Dave Pedersen
01-28-2008, 01:43 AM
This deception foisted on the American people is a helpful exercise to help Christians see through the coming flood of lies which will be spewed out of the dragon's mouth. He is going to look like a lamb but speak like a dragon.

Hopefully as Christians come to recognize the Bush family treachery they can see their own susceptibility and be better prepared.

Perry
01-28-2008, 02:18 AM
I'm a born and raised in-Church Christian.

And I couldn't agree with you more.

Half of Ron Pauls supporters are Christian and I think you'd have a hard time finding many of them that want to bomb Iran.:)

RonPaulVolunteer
01-28-2008, 02:36 AM
the problem is that too many christians want to bomb iran

There's a reformation coming. Not since Martin Luther in the early 1500s will we have seen anything like what is about to happen in the next 10-20 years. A separation of true followers of Jesus the Christ and His teaching from those that follow a Western Christianity brainwashed personality cult will occur. Very soon.

bucfish
01-28-2008, 03:39 AM
I agree with all that. We need to organize together and spread the word to ALL the churches in an appropriate way.

CrownThyGood
01-28-2008, 04:56 AM
Pray for Ron and his campaign. The opposition is there but God is greater.

LibertyEagle
01-28-2008, 07:57 AM
bump

alien
01-28-2008, 08:02 AM
the problem is that too many christians want to bomb iran

Then they are not really Christians. Just cause someone says they are something does not mean that they are. Is Giuliani a conservative? Common now.

disciple
01-28-2008, 08:04 AM
Christians who understand and follow the core message of Jesus' teachings would naturally support Ron Paul; those who don't are simply deceived.

rs3515
01-28-2008, 08:17 AM
Those of us in the Christians for Ron Paul Meetup Group have had good success with the following guides. Feel free to share with others:

Website: http://www.rp-supporters.com/compare.html
Brochure #1: http://files.meetup.com/732693/Christian%20Ron%20Paul%20Brochure%202.0.pdf
Brochure #2: http://files.meetup.com/619210/2008_Christian_Voter_Guide.pdf

jarofclay
01-28-2008, 08:24 AM
This is the video I send to my Christian friends. Its really well done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CLsPeR1Zpc

SovereignMN
01-28-2008, 08:26 AM
Then they are not really Christians. Just cause someone says they are something does not mean that they are. Is Giuliani a conservative? Common now.

I wouldn't go that far. It isn't for you to decide who is Christian or not, that judgement is reserved for God on Judgement Day.

I would say that it is a UN-Christian position. But Christians are NO DIFFERENT than any other people group in the world. We are not perfect, make mistakes and are under threat of being duped by smooth talking soothsayers.

I thank the Lord for all the Christians who have come to the realization that Ron Paul is the best candidate. But let's please stop saying you can't be a "real" Christian if you don't support Dr. Paul. All Christians make mistsakes too.

InLoveWithRon
01-28-2008, 08:27 AM
This is Ron Paul talking about how Evangelical Christians are misled to support war

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1kDMtRfJso&feature=related

enjoy

Benaiah
01-28-2008, 08:28 AM
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jdmetz
01-28-2008, 08:44 AM
the problem is that too many christians want to bomb iran

Well, that is true, but it is also a big problem that too many non-Christians want to bomb Iran. It isn't a problem specific to Christians - it has everything to do with being brainwashed by the media and our current administration. :(

Anyway, I agree that Ron Paul's message is perfectly suited to Christians, of which I am one.

Bruce4Ron
01-28-2008, 08:58 AM
I get concerned when politicians are suggested or chosen from the pulpit.

Matthew 7:1-2 1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

What we have to do, as Christians is to look in The Bible for answers and guidance. Look at the positions each of these men take and find out if they are Biblical.

Becareful though because there is no man on earth who has followed The Bible through n through. Only Jesus has done that. There has only been one sinless man who walked the earth. I'm not suggesting ignorance to these politicians and their positions though. You will know when you look at their positions and research them deeper.

We must be careful when showing a Christian message. Go to your church and talk with your pastors and ask for help. Your church should be involved because we have a responsibility to the community and to the country.

This country should be the light for freedom and civility and love.

I think this verse sums up perfectly the tone this country has taken with the world:

Matthew 7:3-5 3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

How can we overthrow the leader of one country while we allow our own leader to violate our personal privacy rights and freedom through the patriot act? How can we talk about genocide and killing when we have killed the same people through a different justification? We must look at our problems and start to practice what we preach before we "fix" the problems of the world.

We are hypocrites. Our policy is hypocritical. Our government is hypocritical.

Please Dr. Paul send this message out.

jaumen
01-28-2008, 09:09 AM
Welcome Christians!

I have been reading a lot of posts about Christians so this thread is for us.

It is my belief that Ron Paul's message is the most Biblically based message of all the candidates from any group. He is Pro Life, Pro Freedom, Pro Constitution and Anti War. It doesn't get much better than this.

Ron Paul follows the teachings of our Founding Fathers who were Christians and much wiser than most people today.

I am proud to be a Christian. Proud to use the name of Jesus in my daily life, and proud to be a part of the Ron Paul R3VOLUTION!

Join us and share the love. Let's change our country back to the vision it began with so we can once again be a light unto the world!

VIDEOS

PROLIFE / PRO CONSTITUTION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb1osemR4ys




Homeschool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=393BLypi1cc


OTHER CHRISTIAN VIDEOS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZiRIDtwEsw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRmekXieYRY




(Please, if you are not a Christian, DO NOT post in this thread. Keep the posts positive. Not all Christians share the same beliefs. Please do not debate beliefs or other topics. Please do not criticize others.)


I absolutely agree. Ron Paul is the only candidate who truly exemplifies real Christian values, ethics, and politics. He should be the natural choice for any Christian, but sadly there are many who either don't know who he is, or who have tossed Just War theory out the window, and thrown their support behind Huckabee. We Christian Paul supporters need to do our best to educate our fellow Christians who do not yet support Ron Paul.

MilitaryDave
01-28-2008, 09:23 AM
I'm a conservative Catholic and I agree with what is being said here. Two points. First, there is a "Christian Outreach" topic in the Grassroots forum. Second, if any Christian who supports Ron Paul has not signed up to be a Precinct Leader, then you are not doing enough. I've been a fired up Christian supporter since June and I've donated, blogged and talked to family, but the rubber meets the road NOW. If you haven't joined the official campaign and started methodically knocking on doors, I argue you have not thoroughly lived up to your personal responsibility in all this.

Like many thousands of supporters who are waking up and taking it to the next level, go to ronpaul2008.com and sign up to be a precinct leader!

LibertyEagle
01-28-2008, 09:39 AM
New grassroots TV ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkkV5_88WfE&eurl=http://www.operationbroadcastfreedom.com/

Articles:
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/columns2007.html

familydog
01-28-2008, 09:49 AM
I wouldn't go that far. It isn't for you to decide who is Christian or not, that judgement is reserved for God on Judgement Day.

I would say that it is a UN-Christian position. But Christians are NO DIFFERENT than any other people group in the world. We are not perfect, make mistakes and are under threat of being duped by smooth talking soothsayers.

I thank the Lord for all the Christians who have come to the realization that Ron Paul is the best candidate. But let's please stop saying you can't be a "real" Christian if you don't support Dr. Paul. All Christians make mistsakes too.

QFT.

As a side note, I think Catholics should be especially receptive to Paul's message. I use Acton as my guide to this, among other things.

yongrel
01-28-2008, 10:04 AM
When I look at the Christian portion of Ron Paul's support, I am hopeful that America can overcome and abandon the philosophies of Dominionism. This Revolution has all types, and I love it.

JahWarrior
01-28-2008, 10:30 AM
Good thread. I am a Christian, and pretty well ignore the bashing. Having been an atheist for most of my life (til about 8 years ago), I understand that most of the frustrations many people have with some Christians are related to the "vocal minority" of Christianity (and mostly people who follow the Huck camp for no other reason than religion). But here is something for you disgruntled non-Christians to think about... If you think YOU guys are frustrated, IMAGINE HOW US CHRISTIANS FEEL!

DeadtoSin
01-28-2008, 10:41 AM
I know we have a Christian outreach forum, but nobody uses it. I'd like the mods to allow us to have one topic here on the Grassroots forum where we could discuss these things.

I also think we should be careful about saying that people are not Christian because they do not support Ron Paul. Trust me, as a Christian, nobody is more frustrated at some of my fellow Christians than I am. That does not mean they are sheep, or that they do not make mistakes. We simply believe that as Christians, we can make a mistake and still be forgiven. We strive as Christians always to turn away from the wrongs we've committed and live a life more like Jesus Christ.

Here is a short little thing I wrote...

First of all, I'm kind of wary of us trying to get the federal government to do our job for us. Thats sort of what I feel like we as Christians are really doing in government as of lately. I'm not talking about voting against what you believe, and things like that. Definitely, vote for the candidate that fits your ideals the closest. However, we really push Congress and the Judiciary to enforce our morals.

I have a problem with this. First off, I think we should be careful about the way we go about bringing morality to this nation. Doing it with the iron first of the Federal government is a scary road to turn down. Just think of the abuses the government could get away with if they had not only the power but the moral high ground to do it as well!

Also, consider how non-Christians perceive us. If they are REQUIRED to act in the same fashion as we are, how are we any different from they are? Obviously we know the difference, but a non-Christian person would feel no compulsion to make any commitment, and they'd see no real reason.

It really goes back to the Pharisees and their desire to live a holy life by doing it themselves. Sure, if we had a law against lying, people wouldn't lie. But think about it, does that really make them more holy? Only the desire to live a life like Christ's life and your belief in Him saves you. So when we force our ideals on people, you've got to think, is that man trying to live holy..or is he trying to not get arrested/fined?

In any case, I've been rather unhappy with the Federal government's decisions on social issues. I mean, look at Roe vs. Wade. Do we really want something like THAT case on the books for all the things we hold dear to us as Christians?

We should be shining God's love, not trying to force the Federal govt to do so.

DeadtoSin
01-28-2008, 10:43 AM
Good thread. I am a Christian, and pretty well ignore the bashing. Having been an atheist for most of my life (til about 8 years ago), I understand that most of the frustrations many people have with some Christians are related to the "vocal minority" of Christianity (and mostly people who follow the Huck camp for no other reason than religion). But here is something for you disgruntled non-Christians to think about... If you think YOU guys are frustrated, IMAGINE HOW US CHRISTIANS FEEL!

Yeah, I've got to say that this was my experience too as an atheist. I heard that "vocal minority" of Christians who made up all kinds of different things. Also, I did honestly have some miscommunication about what Christianity was all about from some decidedly non-Christian people. We do have a problem with a small minority of people that has no problem making us look bad, and they certainly have no problem being vocal.

nike
01-28-2008, 10:47 AM
The United States is NOT a Christian nation. It makes me very nervous when people say this candidate is more biblical than that candidate. The Bible had nothing to do with the forming of this country. The founding fathers were Deists and non-sectarians and knew the importance of keeping this country spiritually neutral. The treaty with Tripoli even states that the United States is not and never has been a Christian nation. I'm just as spiritual as the next person, but I know better than to believe the lie perpetuated by the Dominionists that this country is biblical in any way.

DeadtoSin
01-28-2008, 10:52 AM
The United States is NOT a Christian nation. It makes me very nervous when people say this candidate is more biblical than that candidate. The Bible had nothing to do with the forming of this country. The founding fathers were Deists and non-sectarians and knew the importance of keeping this country spiritually neutral. The treaty with Tripoli even states that the United States is not and never has been a Christian nation. I'm just as spiritual as the next person, but I know better than to believe the lie perpetuated by the Dominionists that this country is biblical in any way.

Actually, I disagree partially. Some of them were deists, but others were Christians. I think many of them imagined a nation that was still a Christian majority, but with the religious freedom and tolerance to believe as you want. Just because it isn't a Christian nation does not mean that in some way the Christian values that most of the nation held dear at the time of its founding did not in some way shape the Constitution.

Yes, America is not an officially Christian nation. I do however believe that it was founded by a country that was vastly Christian. You are just fooling yourself if you think the Bible had nothing to do with the forming of this country. Don't try to divorce the religious beliefs of the majority of a nation from anything else it did at the time.

I am not saying we should be a Christian nation, or be forced to abide by the principles of Christianity throughout the whole nation. I am however saying that it is folly to think that Christianity and the founding of America are totally divorced.

Read my writing before on the role of religion in government.

JohnM
01-28-2008, 11:12 AM
I wouldn't go that far. It isn't for you to decide who is Christian or not, that judgement is reserved for God on Judgement Day.

I would say that it is a UN-Christian position. But Christians are NO DIFFERENT than any other people group in the world. We are not perfect, make mistakes and are under threat of being duped by smooth talking soothsayers.

I thank the Lord for all the Christians who have come to the realization that Ron Paul is the best candidate. But let's please stop saying you can't be a "real" Christian if you don't support Dr. Paul.

+1. (Or should that be "Amen, brother"?)


All Christians make mistsakes too.

Even in spelling, apparently ;)

JohnM
01-28-2008, 11:19 AM
I am a Christian, and pretty well ignore the bashing.

I think we need to remember that the atheists who indulge in Christian bashing cannot help it. They are, after all, simply collections of complex chemicals that have come into existence by a series of chemical reactions, and everything that they think, do, and write is simply a result of chemical reactions. Chemicals do not have a choice as to how they react - they are simply following scientific laws. ;)

RWill
01-28-2008, 02:14 PM
This is the video I send to my Christian friends. Its really well done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CLsPeR1Zpc

Thanks. It has been added to the first page. Can this thread be STICKIED for Christians?

JahWarrior
01-28-2008, 02:35 PM
I think we need to remember that the atheists who indulge in Christian bashing cannot help it. They are, after all, simply collections of complex chemicals that have come into existence by a series of chemical reactions, and everything that they think, do, and write is simply a result of chemical reactions. Chemicals do not have a choice as to how they react - they are simply following scientific laws. ;)

Scientific Laws: The temporary name given to laws of nature that atheist scientists refuse to attribute to the "laws of God's design".

I love science. It coexists so peacefully with God its wonderful. Thats how I am able to believe in Evolution and Creationism at the same time. The evolutionary process is encompassed in Genesis, the seven days thing simply being an oversimplified version of millions of years of evolution taking place. God's design is found in the magic of DNA.

Kotin
01-28-2008, 02:56 PM
ditto,

i have found christians love Ron Paul, some just dont know it yet..

unfortunatly, alot of christians have been Neo-Conned.

t3rmin
01-28-2008, 03:07 PM
I've been seriously frustrated with my fellow Christians and their love affair with this war. Have you noticed we'll compromise on ANYTHING but the war? How ironic when we worship the Prince of Peace.

I've written a few articles from a Christian perspective that I've been using. If they're of use to anyone, they're at http://thetrents.org/

CaliforniaGold
01-28-2008, 03:21 PM
I am a Christian and I am a former military member.

I would never support Huckabee. Anyone can carry the banner of Christianity. Anyone can claim to be a Christian leader. Doesn't mean they are one. I don't know his heart but I know mine and I know that my instincts are that this is NOT a good guy.

As a military member I would like to remind everyone that no one loves peace more then the soldier. Our JOB is to protect and KEEP peace and not to be the policemen of the world. WE know what our oath is...Does John McCain. I would NEVER support him.

I would never support the Ghoul. You know a tree by the fruits that it produces. His record speaks for him if eveyone would just listen.

Romeny actually seems decent to me but not what this country needs at this time.
We need someone who can see the bigger picture and has great courage and conviction. The face that he is a Mormon is a non issue to me. He has lived a decent family life and that is to be commended but I do not think he has a strong and inspiring public record.

I can not vote against my conscious, I must support Ron Paul.

ValidusCustodiae
01-28-2008, 03:45 PM
For those interested in alternative bible interpretation... watch
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6056789081969524094

thehittgirl
01-28-2008, 03:53 PM
I've been seriously frustrated with my fellow Christians and their love affair with this war. Have you noticed we'll compromise on ANYTHING but the war? How ironic when we worship the Prince of Peace.

Yes, I know exactly how you feel. I have dramatically dropped the amount of posting I've been doing on the AOL Christian forums. Most feel this is a just war and that Israel needs our protection. Frustrated that they cannot see the demise of OUR country, I shook the dust and moved on after weeks if trying. The effort is counterproductive to the campaign to waste my time. I gave them to God in prayer. May they wake up, soon.

Aldanga
01-28-2008, 04:03 PM
There's a reformation coming. Not since Martin Luther in the early 1500s will we have seen anything like what is about to happen in the next 10-20 years. A separation of true followers of Jesus the Christ and His teaching from those that follow a Western Christianity brainwashed personality cult will occur. Very soon.

I have absolutely no doubt about that. It's exciting for me.

The Christian sheeple will be extinct.

damoncrowe
01-28-2008, 04:29 PM
Reformed Presbyterians are behind Paul.
Yes, evangelicals tend to be pro war and tend to be a bit socialist also. They sometimes take what God says to the church and individuals and superimpose that on the state. Erastianism runs rampant in the modern church. The fact that evangelicals could vote for McCain, Giuliani, or Romney is sickening. The Huckabee vote perhaps is simple ignorance, but the others are inexcusable. Further, I don't want a politician to have to constantly remind me that he is a Christain. I want a politician that I see his policies and say, "He must be a Christian." Remember the Pharisee that felt it neccesssary to pray aloud to be heard by men. Remind you of anyone else in the field?

t3rmin
01-28-2008, 04:34 PM
Further, I don't want a politician to have to constantly remind me that he is a Christain. I want a politician that I see his policies and say, "He must be a Christian." Remember the Pharisee that felt it neccesssary to pray aloud to be heard by men. Remind you of anyone else in the field?

Agree 100%. I've said that very same thing a number of times.

Huckabee == Pharisee

Ron Paul == Widow (of Widows' Mite fame)

PepperdotNet
01-28-2008, 04:48 PM
I'm a Christian, member of a southern baptist church, and I've been praying for America for a long time. Specifically that the people would wake up and see what's happening to our once free republic.

Arguably, Jesus and His Father and Spirit embody the ideals we seek. God doesn't want a race of robots to worship him. Without free choice, choosing life has no meaning. We pray for others that they will see the error of their ways and repent, but it's their choice to accept or reject what we offer.

Similarly, what virtue is there in a government that says you MUST give a percentage of your income to the poor, because you don't have a choice. There is virtue only in doing it voluntarily (even more virtue, if you do it voluntarily AND anonymously).

The framers of the Constitution, whether they be Christian or not, knew what would happen if a federal government got too big and was able to be influenced by powerful organizations to implement "their" view of how things "should be" on an unwilling or unwitting populace. That is why it is vitally important that we hold them to their sacred oath of office.

Join me in praying for the scales to fall from the eyes of the people, before they are irrevocably in bondage.

Revolution9
01-28-2008, 05:25 PM
The United States is NOT a Christian nation. It makes me very nervous when people say this candidate is more biblical than that candidate. The Bible had nothing to do with the forming of this country. The founding fathers were Deists and non-sectarians and knew the importance of keeping this country spiritually neutral. The treaty with Tripoli even states that the United States is not and never has been a Christian nation. I'm just as spiritual as the next person, but I know better than to believe the lie perpetuated by the Dominionists that this country is biblical in any way.

It is ot Bblical but is based on Chrstian morals. The God they spoke of was the God Of Nature.. That which made all in the 3D laboratory Universe. That which could be studied and made sense of though the ultimate mystery remains impenetrable. The Bill of Rights and The Constitution was based on scientific observation of nature. The moral structure was based on Western Christain Morality. There is NO ROOM for the Old Testament.

Best Regards
Randy

Dave Pedersen
01-28-2008, 05:31 PM
It is ot Bblical but is based on Chrstian morals. The God they spoke of was the God Of Nature.. That which made all in the 3D laboratory Universe. That which could be studied and made sense of though the ultimate mystery remains impenetrable. The Bill of Rights and The Constitution was based on scientific observation of nature. The moral structure was based on Western Christain Morality. There is NO ROOM for the Old Testament.

Best Regards
Randy

No room for the Old Testament? What do you think Christ and the New Testament writers quoted constantly? The Old Testament has more prophecy yet future than the new and the Old Testament is the legal basis upon which the ministry of Christ is defined. People simply have not been properly taught.

www.shepherdschapel.com