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Ex Post Facto
01-27-2008, 07:53 PM
http://cbs2chicago.com/national/John.Nirenberg.Bush.2.639129.html

Rep. Dennis Kucinich met with considerable resistance from leaders of his own party when he introduced a resolution calling for impeachment hearings on Cheney last November. Democrats wanted to table the resolution, fearing a backlash; Republicans called their bluff, voting to keep it alive, if only to embarrass Democrats. The spectacle put the lie to President Bush's quip, ironically spoken that very day, that C-Span was a boring channel.

The resolution was sent to the Judiciary Committee, where it has lain dormant. Kucinich has vowed to introduce a similar resolution aimed at the president on Monday, the day of his State of the Union address.

constituent
01-27-2008, 07:58 PM
yes!

HOLLYWOOD
01-27-2008, 08:05 PM
ABOUT FRIGIN TIME!

GLAD TO SEE there's one Democrat that has balls! At least Dennis will have more time to focus on these FASCIST CLOWNS!

After DENNIS gets through: BUSH, CHENNEY, TENNET, GONZALEZ, GATES, etc, etc...

Dennis can hit what's left on all the other LISTS:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

especially those 2 WORTHLESS PIECES OF SH*T: NANCY PELOSI and HARRY REID

then there's:


The 22 most corrupt members of Congress

* Sen. Pete V. Domenici (R-NM)
* Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
* Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
* Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS)
* Sen. Diane Fienstein(D-CA)
* Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK)
* Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA)
* Rep. John T. Doolittle (R-CA)
* Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL)
* Rep. Doc Hastings (R-WA)
* Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA)
* Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-LA)
* Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA)
* Rep. Gary G. Miller (R-CA)
* Rep. Alan B. Mollohan (D-WV)
* Rep. Timothy F. Murphy (R-PA)
* Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA)
* Rep. Steve Pearce (R-NM)
* Rep. Rick Renzi (R-AZ)
* Rep. Harold Rogers (R-KY)
* Rep. David Scott (D-GA)
* Rep. Jerry Weller (R-IL)
* Rep. Heather A. Wilson (R-NM)
* Rep. Don Young (R-AK)

Dishonorable mentions

* Sen. Larry E. Craig (R-ID)
* Sen. David Vitter (R-LA)

IcyPeaceMaker
01-27-2008, 08:14 PM
Just getting a hearing going will take his focus off blowing shit up! Also, he may not declare Martial Law if he is being impeached. Just might save us all.

SeekLiberty
01-27-2008, 08:23 PM
Though I don't agree with Dennis Kucinich's domestic socialist ideas, I respect him for his persistent courage to get ethics and transparency in government.

Way to go Dennis! I totally back you and Wexler on Hearings and Articles of Impeachment on both Bush and Cheney.

- SL

A. Havnes
01-27-2008, 08:29 PM
Thank you, Kucinich! My respect for you just upped a little.

HOLLYWOOD
01-27-2008, 08:32 PM
I forgot this beautiful picture:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/mzcmdr/978wall_large.gif

chiplitfam
01-27-2008, 08:33 PM
Someone posted here earlier about a hidden bill in the stimulus package that pardons Bush and Cheney of all possible crimes back to 911. Can anybody find it.

RSLudlum
01-27-2008, 08:35 PM
Way to go Dennis...I'm curious to see how the remaining Dem Candidates react to this.

HOLLYWOOD
01-27-2008, 08:36 PM
Someone posted here earlier about a hidden bill in the stimulus package that pardons Bush and Cheney of all possible crimes back to 911. Can anybody find it.

HERE YAH GO!

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/09/28/180806.php (http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/09/28/180806.php)

chiplitfam
01-27-2008, 08:38 PM
Thanks. What a team!

PatriotG
01-27-2008, 08:54 PM
Someone posted here earlier about a hidden bill in the stimulus package that pardons Bush and Cheney of all possible crimes back to 911. Can anybody find it.

H.R.6054

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=98917

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHQ7Prwh7Gc

Details Of The Resolution
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-6054
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Commissions_Act_of_2006#Alleged_unconstit utionality


Other Bills with the Same Title

The list below shows legislation in this and previous sessions of Congress that had the same title as this bill. Note that bills may have multiple titles. Often bills are incorporated into other omnibus bills, and you may be able to track the status of provisions of this bill by looking for an omnibus bill below.
108th Congress: H.R. 5222 (Status: Dead)
109th Congress: S. 3861: Bringing Terrorists to Justice Act (Status: Dead)
109th Congress: S. 3886: Terrorist Tracking, Identification, and Prosecution Act (Status: Dead)
109th Congress: S. 3901 (Status: Dead)
109th Congress: S. 3929 (Status: Dead)
109th Congress: S. 3930 (Status: Enacted)
109th Congress: H.R. 3044 (Status: Dead)
109th Congress: H.R. 3930: Universal Education Act (Status: Dead)
109th Congress: H.R. 6166 (Status: Passed House (96% of Republicans supporting, 83% of Democrats opposing.))


Mind Boggling crap this is!

chiplitfam
01-27-2008, 09:07 PM
What do you guys and gals make of all this insanity? It is truly mindboggling. Maybe that is why Ron is treading softly and will release the attack bear later (his ultimate campaign strategy). I commend Wolf and Cafferty for even mentioning it. When in the H--- is the public going to wake up! What bigger story can the media have than this? I am saddened and disgusted by such deplorable filth, stench, and outright corruption.

Ex Post Facto
01-27-2008, 11:59 PM
bump

CurtisLow
01-28-2008, 01:11 AM
What do you guys and gals make of all this insanity? It is truly mindboggling. Maybe that is why Ron is treading softly and will release the attack bear later (his ultimate campaign strategy). I commend Wolf and Cafferty for even mentioning it. When in the H--- is the public going to wake up! What bigger story can the media have than this? I am saddened and disgusted by such deplorable filth, stench, and outright corruption.

ditto!

RSLudlum
01-28-2008, 01:39 AM
where in the bill does it grant pardons for Bush and Cheney?

PatriotG
01-28-2008, 05:41 AM
where in the bill does it grant pardons for Bush and Cheney?

Apologies I haven't had a chance to read through some of the bills.

Paulitical Correctness
01-28-2008, 05:49 AM
Dude's balls are proportionate to his ears, apparently.

Go Kucinich! I love you, and your massive ears slash cojones. :D

InLoveWithRon
01-28-2008, 06:44 AM
http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

especially those 2 WORTHLESS PIECES OF SH*T: NANCY PELOSI and HARRY REID

then there's:


The 22 most corrupt members of Congress

* Sen. Pete V. Domenici (R-NM)
* Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
* Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
* Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS)
* Sen. Diane Fienstein(D-CA)
* Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK)
* Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA)
* Rep. John T. Doolittle (R-CA)
* Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL)
* Rep. Doc Hastings (R-WA)
* Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA)
* Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-LA)
* Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA)
* Rep. Gary G. Miller (R-CA)
* Rep. Alan B. Mollohan (D-WV)
* Rep. Timothy F. Murphy (R-PA)
* Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA)
* Rep. Steve Pearce (R-NM)
* Rep. Rick Renzi (R-AZ)
* Rep. Harold Rogers (R-KY)
* Rep. David Scott (D-GA)
* Rep. Jerry Weller (R-IL)
* Rep. Heather A. Wilson (R-NM)
* Rep. Don Young (R-AK)

Dishonorable mentions

* Sen. Larry E. Craig (R-ID)
* Sen. David Vitter (R-LA)

Wow. Quite a few republicans on that list..

We need to clean house starting from the top

InLoveWithRon
01-28-2008, 06:46 AM
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Paulitical Correctness
01-28-2008, 07:06 AM
[edit for quote]

Are you crazy?

liberteebell
01-28-2008, 07:09 AM
Got this in email yesterday. It appears TPTB want to take Kucinich down for not walking in lockstep with them. Kucinich isn't my cup of tea on his socialist policies but he is one of the few honest ones left and he at least has the gonads to stand up against The Machine. Besides, he's Ron Paul's friend.


We Need To Pull Out All Stops To Keep Kucinich In Congress

Despite the fact that he is the best candidate on just about every
issue, after being rudely shut out of the debates before his time
perhaps it was inevitable he would not be able to sustain a run for
president. But today we learned that there is a conspiracy of huge
corporations prepared to throw millions of dollars at trying to kick
our hero out of Congress altogether, by financing a troll primary
challenge. They are running smear ads in his district already and we
have to fight back now.

Fight Back Kucinich Donations:
http://www.usalone.com/fight_back_kucinich.php

IMPORTANT: Even if you have already given the legal limit to the
Kucinich presidential campaing, you can donate up to another $2,300
to his Congressional campaign above now.

They've done this before, when Kucinich stood up to the utility
special interests, and refused to sell Cleveland's power generating
resource. They forced his city into bankrupty, they hurt their own
city to force him out of office. We can't stand by and just let that
happen again. Kucinich is an irreplaceable advocate for all the
issues we are fighting for. This is a not just a race he is supposed
to win, it is a race we MUST win, and by a landslide. And we only
have weeks to do it.

We've already sent out upwards of a thousand of the special
commemorative edition Kucinich pocket constitutions, and more are
going out this week. So if you can make a donation of $100 or more,
Dennis wants to send you as a thank you gift one of these collector's
edition pocket constitutions for your very own, just like the one he
protects and defends every day.

There is no better investment we can make in the integrity of our
democracy than a Kucinich donation. Look at what Dennis has done with
his donations. He financed a recount in New Hampshire, which turned
up enough problems to inspire a new bill in Congress to provide
emergency paper ballot assistance to any jurisdiction that wants to
switch back to tamperproof paper. And we generated tens of thousands
of messages to Congress on that just last week.

Fight Back Kucinich Donations:
http://www.usalone.com/fight_back_kucinich.php

He uses his donations to get the truth out and to inspire people to
act on the issues we want ALL our members of Congress to stand for.
And the best way to do that is to show them how strongly we support
him. Because there can be no doubt, that taken together, his voting
record, and his leadership, stands head and shoulders about just
about any other member of Congress we've got.

Simply put, we need a hundred more like Dennis Kucinich. But first we
need to protect and defend the one we've got, to stand up for him,
just as he has dedicated his life to standing up for us.

And if you are so fortunate that you can make a donation of $1,000 or
more, Dennis will not only personally autograph your special pocket
constitution for you, he will send you a personal thank you letter to
go along with it.

We know there are many of our participants who have been hurt badly
by the economic debacle descended on us by the Cheney regime. We know
you are doing all you can by submitting every action page you can get
your hands on. But it also means that those of us who can make a
contribution need to do little extra now, because the money will be
so well spent in support of the progressive initiative.

Kucinich is under attack because he is having a real impact. Without
his raw courage, there would be no pending resolution for impeaching
Cheney in the House Judiciary Committee, gaining more and more
support every day. They desperate to shut him up.

That's not going to happen, with your help.

Please take action NOW, so we can win all victories that are supposed
to be ours, and forward this alert as widely as possible.

If you would like to get alerts like these, you can do so at
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Or if you want to cease receiving our messages, just use the function
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asgardshill
01-28-2008, 08:28 AM
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ST0PandL00K
01-28-2008, 08:49 AM
Kucinich is the bomb! Go DennisGo Dennis!

werdd
01-28-2008, 08:51 AM
this thing will go no where.

Ex Post Facto
01-28-2008, 12:13 PM
Chances are it will get dead lock in some committee somewhere. However, I can only hope that those real patriots left in congress start deciding if they want America to be the home of the free, or a war zone.

Ex Post Facto
01-28-2008, 04:12 PM
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_david_sw_080128_road_to_impeachment_.htm

Road to Impeachment and Peace Runs Through Cleveland

by David Swanson Page 1 of 2 page(s)


Congressman Dennis Kucinich is facing a tough primary in five weeks in his working class district in Cleveland, Ohio. He's up against better funded opponents and the concerted effort of the corporate and media powers of Cleveland that have opposed him since long before he took that seat away from a Republican.

Kucinich is a progressive candidate who inspires passionate support from many in Cleveland who might not turn out to vote for a DLC Democrat. If he loses his primary, the Democrats may lose the seat. And if he loses the primary, the Democrats will, without any doubt, have lost something more valuable: their spine.



Kucinich fared poorly in the presidential primaries. But he tended to win surveys that asked about issues and then matched you up with the closest candidate. He often won post-debate polls following those debates that the corporate media allowed him to participate in. He usually finished first or second in polls conducted by progressive activist groups. And quite often, just as four years ago, his speeches won the loudest and longest applause. But, rightly or wrongly, most people who agreed with Kucinich more than any other candidate, tended (at least in the few states that decide these things) to back another candidate for president.

Whether we're glad that Kucinich's voice was a part of the Eternal Campaign for many months, or not, we can agree that off the election circuit for many years now Kucinich has had our backs. He has stood alone or in rare company on Capitol Hill for positions backed by 90 percent of Democrats outside the Beltway. He has been there for working people, for labor rights, for the poor, for minorities. He has been there for immigrants, for the sick, for the homeless. When he's asked to bash immigrants, he quotes the words from the Statue of Liberty. And when he was asked to support the erosion of our rights and the build up to a fraudulent war in Iraq, he sued the President in court, published a report showing White House claims about Iraq to be lies, and organized two-thirds of the Democrats in the House to vote No.

"What would it be like," Kucinich asked in the presidential debates, in reference to his opponents' shifting positions on NAFTA, the PATRIOT Act, the invasion of Iraq, the bankruptcy bill, etc., "to have a president who is right the first time?"

Now, we have to ask ourselves what it would be like to have a Congress without anyone who is right the first time. There are other leaders in Congress, of course. There are mavericks on the right like Ron Paul, whose pro-peace supporters will understand the need to keep Kucinich in Congress and can be counted on to help with it. And there are leaders on the left. Barbara Lee stood alone against attacking Afghanistan. But no member of Congress has been as reliable a leader as Kucinich. None has come close. If the peace movement spends 2008 distracted from real action by an obsession with presidential politics, but does not get behind Kucinich's congressional race in a national way, then we truly will have lost our bearings.

The impeachment movement has developed new leaders, including members of the House Judiciary Committee like Robert Wexler. But, as Wexler will tell you himself, Kucinich showed the way. Kucinich introduced articles of impeachment against Vice President Cheney in April 2007, and again in November. Only after that second effort did others begin pushing for hearings on the topic. On Monday, the day of Bush's last State of the Union address, Kucinich planned to introduce articles of impeachment against Bush. In fact, he has prepared a lengthy resolution containing some 50 articles of impeachment. (We can hope someone will do the same for Cheney soon, to cover the full range of his abuses as well. But it's hard to imagine even hoping such things in a world where there is no Dennis Kucinich in Congress.)

Kucinich did not introduce the new resolution against Bush on Monday. He told me that he had been to a meeting with Chairman John Conyers and members of the Judiciary Committee last week, and that he was encouraged that they would hold hearings soon. He was choosing, he said, to give them a few weeks before pushing forward. I'm much less encouraged than Dennis is that the committee will hold hearings that will amount to anything. Whether the hearings amount to anything, I think, will depend entirely on whether they use the I word. And I think a further push from Kucinich or anyone else could only help to make that happen.

At the same time, there are concerns that go unsaid that we should be aware of. What might lead the most courageous and principled member of Congress to hesitate in taking an incredibly popular step? His party's leadership is fiercely against it, but that's never seemed to stop him before. What's new, I think, is this: Kucinich is up against a corporate funded and corporate media driven campaign to knock him out of his position, a campaign attacking his national efforts as being somehow in opposition to the needs of Clevelanders. (Try asking Clevelanders if they want impeachment, and then say that!) And, after having our backs for all these years, after being the first and sometimes only voice to speak for us in Washington, Dennis Kucinich is probably unsure whether we in turn are going to back him up. I don't know, and this is all speculation, but I'm guessing that if any sizable fraction of the 70 percent of us who think the nation is headed in the wrong direction under Bush and Cheney were to go make a contribution at http://kucinich.us we'd be seeing articles of impeachment on the floor of the House sooner rather than later.

Or maybe Dennis is right. Many times, I know, he has been right when I was wrong. Maybe Conyers will start moving on impeachment in the next couple of weeks. Rob Kall, editor of OpEdNews.com, tells me that he asked Conyers today about impeachment, and Conyers said "Impeachment is not off the table." Asked who was blocking it, Conyers told Kall it was not Pelosi or anyone else, it was just Conyers himself. Of course, Conyers has said both of those things for years, and they've meant nothing. But maybe that will change, and if it does, part of the credit has to go to the congressman who led the way.

John Conyers, like Dennis Kucinich, stood by his constituents and the people of this country for years, and was reelected time and again. Now, of course, he's willing, like Nancy Pelosi, to refuse the cries of his voters for impeachment (Detroit and San Franciso have both passed resolutions demanding it), but many of the members of Conyers' committee with less seniority would be doing nothing more than he is were they the chairman or chairwoman. One thing we all need to consider nationally is how we can elect someone enough times to give them enough seniority to make the key decisions in our government, and yet not allow that person to lose their integrity along the way. One easy partial answer is to keep electing those who show the most resiliency, and that means making sure Dennis Kucinich stays in Washington another two years.

Recently MSNBC rewrote its criteria specifically to exclude Kucinich from a presidential debate. Doing so exposed the pretense that such decisions are always based on cold hard numbers. Five years ago, the media's attack on Kucinich's first presidential run began before the candidates could be differentiated by polls or money. Kucinich has been the fiercest opponent of media conglomeration on Capitol Hill, and the media has responded in kind. He's also been one of the most effective challengers of the corporate media's corruption of political discourse. The loudest applause I recall in any presidential debate during the 2004 campaign came when Kucinich told Ted Koppel:

"I can tell you, Ted, you know, we started at the beginning of this evening, talking about an endorsement. Well, I want the American people to see where the media takes politics in this country. To start with endorsements...

(APPLAUSE)

"We start talking about endorsements, now we're talking about polls, and then we're talking about money. Well, you know, when you do that, you don't have to talk about what's important to the American people. Ted, I'm the only one up here that actually...

(APPLAUSE)

"... I'm the only up here on the stage that actually voted against the PATRIOT Act and voted against the war-the only one on this stage. I'm also...

(APPLAUSE)



"... I'm also one of the few candidates up here who's talking about taking our health-care system from this for-profit system to a not-for-profit, single-payer universal health care for all.

(APPLAUSE)

"I'm also the only one who has talked about getting out of NAFTA and the WTO and going back to bilateral trade...

(APPLAUSE)

"... conditioned on workers' rights, human rights, and the environment. Now..."

KOPPEL: Congressman?

KUCINICH: ... I may be inconvenient for some of those in the media, but, you know, I'm sorry about that.

(THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE, and Koppel looking like he'd swallowed a lizard).

I can hear you applauding again, brothers and sisters. Let's not be springtime patriots. Let's not just cheer for good lines and go home. Let's not accept the transference of all power to the executive branch and look only at the presidential race, forgetting the leading defender of the power that the Constitution gave to the legislature.

If you care about keeping in Congress someone with the vision needed to reverse global warming, if you care about peace, if you care about jobs or health care, if you care about the rule of law, if you care about the freedoms established by the Bill of Rights, give what you can today to http://kucinich.us

CurtisLow
01-28-2008, 05:58 PM
right on! Go DK

RSLudlum
01-28-2008, 10:01 PM
[url] The loudest applause I recall in any presidential debate during the 2004 campaign came when Kucinich told Ted Koppel:

"I can tell you, Ted, you know, we started at the beginning of this evening, talking about an endorsement. Well, I want the American people to see where the media takes politics in this country. To start with endorsements...

(APPLAUSE)

"We start talking about endorsements, now we're talking about polls, and then we're talking about money. Well, you know, when you do that, you don't have to talk about what's important to the American people. Ted, I'm the only one up here that actually...

(APPLAUSE)

"... I'm the only up here on the stage that actually voted against the PATRIOT Act and voted against the war-the only one on this stage. I'm also...

(APPLAUSE)



"... I'm also one of the few candidates up here who's talking about taking our health-care system from this for-profit system to a not-for-profit, single-payer universal health care for all.

(APPLAUSE)

"I'm also the only one who has talked about getting out of NAFTA and the WTO and going back to bilateral trade...

(APPLAUSE)

"... conditioned on workers' rights, human rights, and the environment. Now..."

KOPPEL: Congressman?

KUCINICH: ... I may be inconvenient for some of those in the media, but, you know, I'm sorry about that.

(THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE, and Koppel looking like he'd swallowed a lizard).




Does anybody know of a clip/youtube of this response??