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american.swan
08-03-2007, 08:25 AM
Ron Paul said we should listen to our enemies...

Sean Penn visited Chaves....:)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070803/ap_en_ce/people_sean_penn;_ylt=ApoSgHvIqbNLn0Bqx3HHfhes0NUE



By IAN JAMES, Associated Press Writer 56 minutes ago

CARACAS, Venezuela - Sean Penn applauded President Hugo Chavez as the Venezuelan leader lambasted the Bush administration and demanded an end to war in Iraq.


Chavez met privately with the 46-year-old actor for two hours Thursday, praising him as being "brave" for urging Americans to impeach President Bush.

"In the name of the peoples of the world, President Bush, withdraw the troops from Iraq. Enough already with so much genocide," Chavez said before an auditorium packed with his red-clad supporters.

Penn sat near the front, at times applauding and nodding in agreement. He is the latest in a series of celebrities who have visited Caracas, including Danny Glover and Harry Belafonte.

Chavez said he and Penn discussed the question of "why the (U.S.) empire attacks Chavez so much," saying Venezuela's oil wealth is a key reason.

He also said Washington is "afraid that the people of the United States will learn the real truth" about the situation in Venezuela, citing his social programs for the poor.

"If the people of the United States, those millions and millions of poor people ... if that nation realizes what is truly happening here, there would be a revolution in the United States," Chavez said, eliciting applause from Penn.

Some Chavez opponents were angered by Penn's visit.

Cuban-born actress Maria Conchita Alonso, who grew up in Venezuela, said Penn is lending support to a "totalitarian" leader who wants increasing control of society — a charge Chavez denies.

In a phone interview from her home in Beverly Hills, Calif., Alonso said although she respects Penn as an actor, she hopes he "comes to his senses and he realizes that he's being used."

Penn, who won an Oscar in 2004 for "Mystic River," didn't speak publicly. Chavez said the actor came wanting to learn about Venezuela.

"That man has opposed the war in Iraq with all his strength, and not only that, he went to Baghdad ... and now he comes here. He's going around touring the 'axis of evil,'" Chavez said with a chuckle.

ThePieSwindler
08-03-2007, 09:25 AM
Yeah i tend to agree with the Cuban actress, Maria Alonso. Chavez is not a good guy, and democratic socialism (what chavez is trying to create, even though venezuela is a republic right now.) sucks. I think he likes to be a thorn in the side of the US so that he can increase his own power and standing in the world, since he has a very valuable asset (oil) to back his actions up. Its nice and all to talk with your enemies, but Penn seems to be taking it a step further and is actually placating Chavez almost. He's certainly right about American foreign policy and empire building.... but not much else.

Capitalism
08-03-2007, 10:09 AM
Chavez is a total schmuck and so is everyone who supports him.

Mesogen
08-03-2007, 09:40 PM
Hmm. I don't agree with some of his tactics, but Chavez is basically the leader of this South American movement to rid itself of US influence.

Shellshock1918
08-03-2007, 09:48 PM
chavez is no threat to the US though. he is just an idiot that needs to be ignored.

Capitalism
08-03-2007, 10:31 PM
Hmm. I don't agree with some of his tactics, but Chavez is basically the leader of this South American movement to rid itself of US influence.

Eventually Chavez will just run Venezuela into the ground.

AMack
08-03-2007, 10:57 PM
Two of my buddies are from Venezuela. They are part of a large college student movement against Chavez. He's a psychopath who is rolling back what democracy Venezuela had, much like Putin. He also denies that the student movement even exists (it is huge, btw), kinda like how many neo-conservatives deny that we exist =)

People love democracy all over the world. Its good to see people in other countries peacefully fighting back against their government.

Brandybuck
08-03-2007, 11:15 PM
...but Chavez is basically the leader of this South American movement to rid itself of US influence.
He's also doing his damnedest to rid that South American country of freedom!

1000-points-of-fright
08-04-2007, 12:25 AM
Ooooh, Chavez is against the Iraq war and is standing up to Bush. Yeah, and Hitler was nice to dogs. One good thing doesn't cancel out all the shitty things he does.

Fuckin' Spicoli.

ghemminger
08-04-2007, 12:27 AM
Sean Paenn Who...isn't he married to Maddonna?

winston84
08-04-2007, 12:54 AM
Chavez was democratically and fairly elected by the Venezuelan people. It was the will of the people, and these people as a majority are much more informed about the internal politics of their country than Americans are. Of course it would be nice to see a Ron Paul type of government somehow magically rise up and rid itself of the corporate leeches draining Venezuela of its natural resources (oil to be precise), but you can keep dreaming...

If you're interested in the subject check out The Revolution Will Not Be Televised at http://www.chavezthefilm.com/index_ex.htm A television crew from Ireland's Radio Telifís Éireann happened to be recording a documentary about Chávez during the events of April 11, 2002 (the U.S. backed attempted coup).

Capitalism
08-04-2007, 01:27 AM
Chavez was democratically and fairly elected by the Venezuelan people. It was the will of the people, and these people as a majority are much more informed about the internal politics of their country than Americans are. Of course it would be nice to see a Ron Paul type of government somehow magically rise up and rid itself of the corporate leeches draining Venezuela of its natural resources (oil to be precise), but you can keep dreaming...

If you're interested in the subject check out The Revolution Will Not Be Televised at http://www.chavezthefilm.com/index_ex.htm A television crew from Ireland's Radio Telifís Éireann happened to be recording a documentary about Chávez during the events of April 11, 2002 (the U.S. backed attempted coup).

How can an election be "fair" when Chavez is controlling so much of the nation's economy? How can it be "fair" if Chavez is able to shut down media if they are not favorable to him? Does winning the majority of the vote give him the right to trample over everyone's freedom in that country? I am sure the "majority" of voters in Venezuela are just as clueless as Americans are about how their government is screwing them.

Of course, I think the US should stay out, but that doesn't mean we, as individuals, have to remain silent.

Capitalism
08-04-2007, 01:28 AM
Sean Paenn Who...isn't he married to Maddonna?

was.