We Were Robbed In LA! [Archive] - Ron Paul Forums / Liberty Forest

goldstandard

01-26-2008, 02:58 PM

This thread was moved to the Louisiana subforum:

Perry **!!!IMMEDIATE PRIORITY!!! WE NEED To HAVE LOUISIANA RESULTS BEFORE SUPER TUESDAY!!**
Why people are not focusing more on Louisiana baffles me. Louisiana is Ron Pauls first and most important victory and it is being robbed of us as we speak! We need a great deal of thought & energy poured in to this IMMEDIATELY!
Louisiana IS THE MOMENTUM that can carry us through super Tuesday and make Ron Paul a true contender. We are in the right! We must not let Louisiana slip through our fingertips. If Louisiana results are not released until after super Tuesday Pauls victory in that state will be for naught!
This is more important than any moneybomb people. We need to make everyone recognize this and be of one mind in order to once again create a tide that will move the powers that be!
People it is looking more and more like we won Louisiana. Believe it and take action!

A good explanation by Badger Paul:

We elected 10 out of the 105 deleagtes who will attend the state convention Feb. 16.

Each Congressional district (there are seven) in Louisiana has 15 delegates (hence 105). If the delegate slate of the candidate backed wins eight or more of those delegates, then your candidate will get three delegates to the NATIONAL GOP Convention. Each district gets three national convention delegates (hence 21).

We went in thinking we could sweep all the districts because we were the only camapaign to have full slates of 15 delegates for each district. That would have happened if haven't been for this "fuision" slate which was organized at the last minute by supporters of Fred Thompson, most of whom are part of the LA GOP establishment, and included delegate slates for other candidates that did not have full slates.

Even despite this "fusion" slate, we still would have claimed 15 delegates because we had more of our voters attend the precint caucuses in five of the seven districts. Yet the state GOP forced many Paul supporters to cast provisional ballots, of which they discarded two-thirds of because the applications of these voters to switch to the GOP were not processed fast enough (only explanation I can think of) even though most if not all of these voters made the switch to the GOP before the Nov. 30 deadline.

Yes Vox, you explained the process right.

In short: WE WUZ ROBBED!

Ron Paul Campaign Files Caucus Challenge with Louisiana GOP:

January 26, 2008 11:49 am EST

Ron Paul Campaign Files Caucus Challenge with Louisiana GOP

Multiple errors in process leave caucus results unresolved

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – Yesterday, the Ron Paul presidential campaign filed a letter with the Louisiana Republican Party to contest the credentials of delegates to the state convention.

Under state party rules, campaigns have 72 hours from the end of the caucus to file such a contest. This contest was filed in response to multiple problems with the caucus process.

“The initial failure of the Louisiana GOP to properly determine who was and wasn’t eligible to vote threw this entire process into disarray,” said Ron Paul campaign manager Lew Moore. “However, voter eligibility was just one of many irregularities with the caucus process. We are filing this contest to ensure that we can challenge the results if it appears that delegates were improperly selected.”

The Louisiana State GOP changed the rules at the eleventh hour to allow other candidates to file more delegates, even though there were plenty of delegates to compose full slates in each congressional district. At the time of the original January 10 deadline, Ron Paul had the largest number of delegates pledged to him. The party then changed the rules to give other candidates until January 12 to file more delegates.

In addition, due to mistakes by the Louisiana GOP, hundreds of voters were forced to file provisional ballots, including nearly 500 that could change the outcome of the election. According to the LA GOP, caucus locations relied on a voter list from November 1, 2007 or perhaps earlier despite the fact that under the caucus rules, voters need only have registered Republican before November 30, 2007.

There were even instances at the caucuses where state-certified Ron Paul delegates appearing on the ballot were forced to file a provisional ballot despite the fact they were pre-approved as delegates.

Please digg it on ronpaul2008.com:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/175/ron-paul-campaign-files-caucus-challenge-with-louisiana-gop

BeFranklin

01-26-2008, 03:18 PM

Bump. If its current news, and a lot of RP supporters don't know, there needs to be 1 thread on it in main.

Molly1

01-26-2008, 03:21 PM

I'm glad they filed a challenge.

xCakex

01-26-2008, 03:21 PM

Blimp!

Shink

01-26-2008, 03:21 PM

This actually IS a big deal, folks. Moreso than most of the subjects in other junky threads.

luvthedoc08

01-26-2008, 03:23 PM

bump

nbhadja

01-26-2008, 03:23 PM

They are trying to keep status quo through cheating. It won't work. Either way the GOP is gonna die, with Paul beating it up front or having it tear in half.

Delain

01-26-2008, 03:28 PM

What can we do about this?

goldstandard

01-26-2008, 03:30 PM

Maximum coverage. Anyone has connections to Louisiana local media?

BeFranklin

01-26-2008, 03:32 PM

Reply: what can we do about this

Maximum coverage. Anyone has connections to Louisiana local media?

Agreed. That is why it has to be in grassroots central.

billyjoeallen

01-26-2008, 03:34 PM

bump.

jake

01-26-2008, 03:35 PM

this is maddening.

driller80545

01-26-2008, 03:37 PM

This is a lot worse than NH.

billyjoeallen

01-26-2008, 03:39 PM

HUGE opportunity. We filed a cuacus challenge and get all the free press while making the McCain camp look like the crooks they are.

Also reminds people that at worst we came in third. There's no downside to this like in New Hampshire. Nobody trusts the LA political machine, anyway.

goldstandard

01-26-2008, 03:49 PM

Mystile

01-26-2008, 03:50 PM

I'm glad to see the official campaign stepping up the game.

freedom-maniac

01-26-2008, 03:57 PM

. Bump

goldstandard

01-26-2008, 04:04 PM

bump

the Winner is (R0N P@uL)

01-26-2008, 04:07 PM

OK, first NH and the sham recount with slit boxes and ballots being moved from the ballot vault in the middle of the night? Now this, an Uncommited ProLife delegate, this is basically the same ideas they have instituted since the DNC started with their Super Delegate Plan to shut out anyone they don't agree with, then the RNC soon followed......... All the Super Delegates on both sides all go to Romney and Billary. That basically means the Super Delegates can be bought......... This Louisiana Caucus FRAUD should not be allowed....... The Establishment has had since August to plan out State by State how they would keep anyone but the "Elite" out of Power. Caucuses are much easier to manipulate because last minute rule changes are allowed. Primaries, as long as they are Paper Trailed and transparent to the Public, are a better form of Election.

What has happened in Louisiana needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the Law............... This cannot be allowed. It will take our Republic away from us, and give us more sham elections like the 2000 and 2004 Presidential Elections.

P.S. The guys in Ohio who helped Bush cheat are in Prison as we speak. That is a good sign. We have to keep the pressure on for fair and open elections.......

Peace Out......

billyjoeallen

01-26-2008, 04:12 PM

My parents live in Morgan City. My mom's a doctor and has some pull in the community. My parents were Thompson supporters B4 he pulled out. I'll work on them to help.

WE got work to do. Let's all pull together and call or email all the press contacts we can.

We can win this!

HazardPerry

01-26-2008, 04:14 PM

Didn't this kind of shit happen with Buchanan? :mad: Glad to see HQ putting their foot down.

Exarel

01-26-2008, 04:15 PM

Bump

goldstandard

01-26-2008, 04:22 PM

Feedback concerning local media? Send them the campaign press release.

BeFranklin

01-26-2008, 04:23 PM

OK, first NH and the sham recount with slit boxes and ballots being moved from the ballot vault in the middle of the night? Now this, an Uncommited ProLife delegate, this is basically the same ideas they have instituted since the DNC started with their Super Delegate Plan to shut out anyone they don't agree with, then the RNC soon followed......... All the Super Delegates on both sides all go to Romney and Billary. That basically means the Super Delegates can be bought......... This Louisiana Caucus FRAUD should not be allowed....... The Establishment has had since August to plan out State by State how they would keep anyone but the "Elite" out of Power. Caucuses are much easier to manipulate because last minute rule changes are allowed. Primaries, as long as they are Paper Trailed and transparent to the Public, are a better form of Election.

What has happened in Louisiana needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the Law............... This cannot be allowed. It will take our Republic away from us, and give us more sham elections like the 2000 and 2004 Presidential Elections.

P.S. The guys in Ohio who helped Bush cheat are in Prison as we speak. That is a good sign. We have to keep the pressure on for fair and open elections.......

Peace Out......

Think what the GOP NH and Fox news were trying to do is more of an analogy. It looks like party insiders in NH were trying to rig the debate and exclude Ron Paul. Party insiders in Nevada AND Louisiana changed the rules at the last minute, and in insiders in Louisiana trying to not count all the votes.

realist

01-26-2008, 04:24 PM

aren't there any state or federal laws that apply here?

Is there a central place where we can coordinate an effort to expose this?

This is unacceptable!

Marty Duren

01-26-2008, 04:28 PM

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuump

fmontez

01-26-2008, 04:34 PM

(1) I am glad Ron Paul is not connected to the NH recount, because I knew no matter how it turned out the Truthers would not accept the tally.

(2) I think National was right to file a challenge in LA, just to keep the option open, but I doubt it will go any farther.

(3) LA does not appear to have any fraud at all... rules change (The RNC can do that, they could limit voters to people dressed like Pink Elephants if they wanted too.) You adapt and move on.

(4) Crying Wolf Effect: belly whining and crying fraud hurts RP more than any actual vote fraud ever could. We cry fraud every day on here, so much so that NO one will ever believe us if there is real fraud at some junction.

ItsTime

01-26-2008, 04:37 PM

nice troll post.
So your answer is bend over and take it? Can we at least get lube this time?

(1) I am glad Ron Paul is not connected to the NH recount, because I knew no matter how it turned out the Truthers would not accept the tally.

(2) I think National was right to file a challenge in LA, just to keep the option open, but I doubt it will go any farther.

(3) LA does not appear to have any fraud at all... rules change (The RNC can do that, they could limit voters to people dressed like Pink Elephants if they wanted too.) You adapt and move on.

(4) Crying Wolf Effect: belly whining and crying fraud hurts RP more than any actual vote fraud ever could. We cry fraud every day on here, so much so that NO one will ever believe us if there is real fraud at some junction.

TexFootballMom

01-26-2008, 04:38 PM

All contacted.

goldstandard

01-26-2008, 04:40 PM

(1) I am glad Ron Paul is not connected to the NH recount, because I knew no matter how it turned out the Truthers would not accept the tally.

(2) I think National was right to file a challenge in LA, just to keep the option open, but I doubt it will go any farther.

(3) LA does not appear to have any fraud at all... rules change (The RNC can do that, they could limit voters to people dressed like Pink Elephants if they wanted too.) You adapt and move on.

(3) But changing rules in the process is not okay. ANd the state GOP forced many Paul supporters to cast provisional ballots, of which they discarded two-thirds (though most of these voters made the switch to the GOP before the Nov. 30 deadline in tune with state GOP rules).

fmontez

01-26-2008, 04:42 PM

nice troll post.
So your answer is bend over and take it? Can we at least get lube this time?

Take what? There is nothing to take...

You don't like the rule changes? Ok, start a Post..

"I didn't like the timing of the Rule Changes in LA"

Here is how I think it should have been done.

See the difference? Reasonable? Sane...

Join The Paul Side

01-26-2008, 04:44 PM

(1) I am glad Ron Paul is not connected to the NH recount, because I knew no matter how it turned out the Truthers would not accept the tally.

(2) I think National was right to file a challenge in LA, just to keep the option open, but I doubt it will go any farther.

(3) LA does not appear to have any fraud at all... rules change (The RNC can do that, they could limit voters to people dressed like Pink Elephants if they wanted too.) You adapt and move on.

(4) Crying Wolf Effect: belly whining and crying fraud hurts RP more than any actual vote fraud ever could. We cry fraud every day on here, so much so that NO one will ever believe us if there is real fraud at some junction.

I think you're a pig. Who are you working for? Mitt? Judy Annie? McCain? Panderbee? Fox? The New Republic? Come out of the closet, mole. :mad:

fmontez

01-26-2008, 04:47 PM

(3) But changing rules in the process is not okay. ANd the state GOP forced many Paul supporters to cast provisional ballots, of which they discarded two-thirds (though most of these voters made the switch to the GOP before the Nov. 30 deadline in tune with state GOP rules).

And is it fair for people to join the GOP just so they can vote for Dr. Paul? hmmmm, I can see it from both perspectives... take a step back and ask yourself (1) is it fraud, (2) why were the changes made, (3) how does this effect Ron Paul

goldstandard

01-26-2008, 04:47 PM

I forgot: DIGG the campaign press release like crazy!

ItsTime

01-26-2008, 04:48 PM

So in other words you have a neo-con response. "Get in line, your line of thinking is not what I consider sane?"

Take what? There is nothing to take...

You don't like the rule changes? Ok, start a Post..

See the difference? Reasonable? Sane...

ItsTime

01-26-2008, 04:49 PM

Of course it is ok to join the GOP to vote for the person you want! Man you really love the nazi way of thinking dont you?

And is it fair for people to join the GOP just so they can vote for Dr. Paul? hmmmm, I can see it from both perspectives... take a step back and ask yourself (1) is it fraud, (2) why were the changes made, (3) how does this effect Ron Paul

rpfreedom08

01-26-2008, 04:49 PM

I'm not exactly sure why you guys are mad. We all knew when to be registered republicans, well at least those that where in the know with ron paul and our friends (almost all those that voted). What beat us is the fact that the prolife profamily voters where all told to go vote at the caucus by preachers etc... at church. There is no way we can combat that. The preachers and church officials are in on this as well and in the bible belt there is no beating the church when it comes to numbers.

Feelgood

01-26-2008, 04:51 PM

Sent a link to drudge report, I suggest you all do the same, maybe he will actually put this one up. :rolleyes:

fmontez

01-26-2008, 04:52 PM

So in other words you have a neo-con response. "Get in line, your line of thinking is not what I consider sane?"

Wow! You have a funny way of interpreting the written word...

Anyway, I am posting here not to change YOUR opinion, I am posting in case a potential RP supporter comes here, he should see that not all RP supporters are Truthers.

As I have said hundreds of times on this forum, RP will only become President if he can distance himself from the label of Fringe Candidate. The revolution starts HERE. YeeHaa I would toss the Fringer/Truther vote overboard in a second for mainstream Republicans.

pathis

01-26-2008, 04:58 PM

Dugg

goldstandard

01-26-2008, 04:59 PM

Sent a link to drudge report, I suggest you all do the same, maybe he will actually put this one up. :rolleyes:

Good.

Lord Xar

01-26-2008, 05:00 PM

And is it fair for people to join the GOP just so they can vote for Dr. Paul? hmmmm, I can see it from both perspectives... take a step back and ask yourself (1) is it fraud, (2) why were the changes made, (3) how does this effect Ron Paul

Wow. You sound VERY ignorant. Of course its fair for me to change my affiliation in the due time IF a candidate represents me etc. You somehow think its unfair to do such? See, you say "they got alot of indepenends etc.." and that is unfair. Why? You want the voters to remain sheep. That is what you are condoning. If I serve you shit on one plate, and shit on another - and I offer you filet mignon, you aint' gonna take it?

See, I see your reasoning. Getting voters to register GOP is NOT shenanigans and to imply that inducing shenanigans to level the playing fields is a heinous assertion.

goldstandard

01-26-2008, 05:03 PM

comment from http://www.reason.com/blog/show/124573.html

On DailyPaul there are a few Louisiana caucus goers looking for an attorney to get a restraining order against the LA GOP to prevent them from destroying the provisional ballots.

deedles

01-26-2008, 05:07 PM

And is it fair for people to join the GOP just so they can vote for Dr. Paul? hmmmm, I can see it from both perspectives... take a step back and ask yourself (1) is it fraud, (2) why were the changes made, (3) how does this effect Ron Paul

Um. I've never called anyone a troll on here ever but I'm close after reading this post.

Fair? Is it fair for states to set up the elections so We The People have to contort ourselves like the Chinese acrobats to vote for whomever we pick?

What other perspective is there than the right of the people to vote freely for whomever they want. There is no other perspective.

1. I'll bet it is rotten to the core fraud
2. The changes were made so he didn't get first like he should have
3. He didn't get first like he should have

ps. The stars on your elephant are upside down...

deedles

01-26-2008, 05:10 PM

billyjoeallen

01-26-2008, 05:15 PM

Can you smell blood yet? the crooks are going down! Keep up the good work!

goldstandard

01-26-2008, 05:17 PM

Is this for LA people to be using for contacts or should all of us throughout the country jump on it, too?

Would be better to contact other media now. Drudge?

FSP-Rebel

01-26-2008, 05:21 PM

If we're gonna make this viral, we need summary of the antics as far as rule changes and the delay in counting provisional ballots and whatever else. I'm not close to this thing so I don't know the details. I'm willing to send a decent amount of emails and calls if I have some compelling info and if it's decided for outta-staters to participate.

billyjoeallen

01-26-2008, 05:21 PM

Would be better to contact other media now. Drudge?

Both!

dshields

01-26-2008, 05:29 PM

This burns me up! Lets spread this FAR and WIDE!

Lord Xar

01-26-2008, 05:30 PM

If we're gonna make this viral, we need summary of the antics as far as rule changes and the delay in counting provisional ballots and whatever else. I'm not close to this thing so I don't know the details. I'm willing to send a decent amount of emails and calls if I have some compelling info and if it's decided for outta-staters to participate.

YES..

What exactly is and has happened. Give us the points by points and WHY HQ is suing them?

We need a list so that those who are emailing have a base for an argument/topic.

pinkmandy

01-26-2008, 05:31 PM

Thank goodness he is challenging this! Go Dr. Paul!!!!!

fmontez

01-26-2008, 05:33 PM

The GOP has a platform, and it is a party... I totally sympathize with the RNC. Just imagine how Libertarians would feel if they woke up and their party was taken over by Marxists. That is just being a spoiler. If you don’t agree with the majority of the platform I recommend you not join the Republican Party.

More importantly a key mistake in this campaign has been the courting of non-GOP voters, it is the primary reason (next to Iraq) that we are not in the top 3 right now. Too many Marxists and other 3rd Party supporters has pinned the label of Fringe Candidate right on RP’s head.

If Ron Paul doesn’t win this election I wouldn’t be blaming Fox News or the GOP… that is for sure.

TexFootballMom

01-26-2008, 05:38 PM

JahWarrior

01-26-2008, 05:38 PM

The GOP has a platform, and it is a party... I totally sympathize with the RNC. Just imagine how Libertarians would feel if they woke up and their party was taken over by Marxists. That is just being a spoiler. If you don’t agree with the majority of the platform I recommend you not join the Republican Party.

More importantly a key mistake in this campaign has been the courting of non-GOP voters, it is the primary reason (next to Iraq) that we are not in the top 3 right now. Too many Marxists and other 3rd Party supporters has pinned the label of Fringe Candidate right on RP’s head.

If Ron Paul doesn’t win this election I wouldn’t be blaming Fox News or the GOP… that is for sure.

Have you gone mad?

TER

01-26-2008, 05:41 PM

We definitely need to get the word out. Its amazing how people's eyes widen when I tell them that he came in either first or second in Louisiana, though the media hasn't mentioned it. Add that to the second place win in Nevada, and suddenly he seems a lot more electable!

MsDoodahs

01-26-2008, 05:42 PM

If you don’t agree with the majority of the platform I recommend you not join the Republican Party.

So what you are saying is that the GOP likes getting smaller .... and smaller ... and smaller ...

Makes sense to me!

lol...

Eric21ND

01-26-2008, 05:42 PM

The GOP has a platform, and it is a party... I totally sympathize with the RNC. Just imagine how Libertarians would feel if they woke up and their party was taken over by Marxists. That is just being a spoiler. If you don’t agree with the majority of the platform I recommend you not join the Republican Party.

More importantly a key mistake in this campaign has been the courting of non-GOP voters, it is the primary reason (next to Iraq) that we are not in the top 3 right now. Too many Marxists and other 3rd Party supporters has pinned the label of Fringe Candidate right on RP’s head.

If Ron Paul doesn’t win this election I wouldn’t be blaming Fox News or the GOP… that is for sure.

Country over party troll.

I don't give one damn about "the party". The time has come to be good Americans, not good Republicans. In fact with the GOP fighting us every inch on everything I will gladly bank roll an independent run for Dr. Paul and destroy the corrupt GOP.

Expose these cockroaches!

Idyil

01-26-2008, 05:42 PM

The GOP has a platform, and it is a party... I totally sympathize with the RNC. Just imagine how Libertarians would feel if they woke up and their party was taken over by Marxists. That is just being a spoiler. If you don’t agree with the majority of the platform I recommend you not join the Republican Party.

More importantly a key mistake in this campaign has been the courting of non-GOP voters, it is the primary reason (next to Iraq) that we are not in the top 3 right now. Too many Marxists and other 3rd Party supporters has pinned the label of Fringe Candidate right on RP’s head.

If Ron Paul doesn’t win this election I wouldn’t be blaming Fox News or the GOP… that is for sure.

So, why don't you spread your message to the voters of other candidates? Surely, you don't think those candidates they are true representatives of the GOP.
You speak like a neocon in every aspect. Why are you even here? It sounds like you should be in the McCain camp. CYA!

deedles

01-26-2008, 05:42 PM

Have you gone mad?

I think he wandered over here from MittRomneyforums.com

Let us ignore him.

billyjoeallen

01-26-2008, 05:42 PM

The GOP has a platform, and it is a party... I totally sympathize with the RNC. Just imagine how Libertarians would feel if they woke up and their party was taken over by Marxists. That is just being a spoiler. If you don’t agree with the majority of the platform I recommend you not join the Republican Party.

More importantly a key mistake in this campaign has been the courting of non-GOP voters, it is the primary reason (next to Iraq) that we are not in the top 3 right now. Too many Marxists and other 3rd Party supporters has pinned the label of Fringe Candidate right on RP’s head.

If Ron Paul doesn’t win this election I wouldn’t be blaming Fox News or the GOP… that is for sure.

The GOP is the party for small government libertarians and conservatives. It was the Neoconservatives that hijacked the party and we are taking it back!

goldstandard

01-26-2008, 05:44 PM

YES..

What exactly is and has happened. Give us the points by points and WHY HQ is suing them?

We need a list so that those who are emailing have a base for an argument/topic.

I think we cannot be more specific than the campaign press release at the moment because the LA GOP has not published all results and slows down the process of counting the provisional ballots (and these were RP supporters who voted according to GOP rules) until after Super Duper Tuesday.

Louisiana subforums:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=156

campaign press release:

January 26, 2008 11:49 am EST

Ron Paul Campaign Files Caucus Challenge with Louisiana GOP

Multiple errors in process leave caucus results unresolved

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – Yesterday, the Ron Paul presidential campaign filed a letter with the Louisiana Republican Party to contest the credentials of delegates to the state convention.

Under state party rules, campaigns have 72 hours from the end of the caucus to file such a contest. This contest was filed in response to multiple problems with the caucus process.

“The initial failure of the Louisiana GOP to properly determine who was and wasn’t eligible to vote threw this entire process into disarray,” said Ron Paul campaign manager Lew Moore. “However, voter eligibility was just one of many irregularities with the caucus process. We are filing this contest to ensure that we can challenge the results if it appears that delegates were improperly selected.”

The Louisiana State GOP changed the rules at the eleventh hour to allow other candidates to file more delegates, even though there were plenty of delegates to compose full slates in each congressional district. At the time of the original January 10 deadline, Ron Paul had the largest number of delegates pledged to him. The party then changed the rules to give other candidates until January 12 to file more delegates.

In addition, due to mistakes by the Louisiana GOP, hundreds of voters were forced to file provisional ballots, including nearly 500 that could change the outcome of the election. According to the LA GOP, caucus locations relied on a voter list from November 1, 2007 or perhaps earlier despite the fact that under the caucus rules, voters need only have registered Republican before November 30, 2007.

There were even instances at the caucuses where state-certified Ron Paul delegates appearing on the ballot were forced to file a provisional ballot despite the fact they were pre-approved as delegates.

HillbillyDan

01-26-2008, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by fmontez View Post
The GOP has a platform, and it is a party... I totally sympathize with the RNC. Just imagine how Libertarians would feel if they woke up and their party was taken over by Marxists. That is just being a spoiler. If you don’t agree with the majority of the platform I recommend you not join the Republican Party.

More importantly a key mistake in this campaign has been the courting of non-GOP voters, it is the primary reason (next to Iraq) that we are not in the top 3 right now. Too many Marxists and other 3rd Party supporters has pinned the label of Fringe Candidate right on RP’s head.

I disagree, Dr. Paul is the single most conservative candidate. The others have no clue what the GOP is supposed to be about, ie: limited government, and non-interventionist foreign policy. But, hey, I'm preaching to the choir here...

LibertyEagle

01-26-2008, 05:55 PM

FMONTEZ, have you even read that GOP platform that you have in your sig? Because it resembles nothing about traditional conservatism whatsoever. Rather it looks like a treatise for big government neo-conservatism.

Tell me, have you noticed how the Republican Party has shrunk over the last years? Do you know why? It is because most of the traditional conservatives (Goldwater-Republicans) LEFT THE PARTY. You see, traditional conservatism has nothing to do with warmongering or preemptive strikes against countries that have not attacked us, nor pose an eminent threat. Nor does traditional conservatism have anything whatsoever to do with illegal searches and seizures, unconstitutional wiretapping of American citizens, stripping habeas corpus from American citizens, or to make this easier, just about anything George W. Bush has done.

As a life-long Republican, I am ASHAMED of the Republican party, but more than that, I am ashamed of those Republicans who have covered their eyes and their ears, while our Constitution has been stomped all over and totally disregarded by some of their own.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but you appear to have much more allegiance to the Republican Party than you do your country.

j6p

01-26-2008, 05:57 PM

tell the troll to go back where he came from. He sounds like a f-ing neo con. For the troll. The gop is getting smaller and smaller.

billyjoeallen

01-26-2008, 06:00 PM

Stay focused! We need to fight the GOP to get the legitimate votes of primary caucus goers recognized. We beat them at there own game, so they moved the goalposts.

Expanding the rolls of the GOP with pro Paul newcomers is good for the party, the country, and our candidate.

January 26, 2008 11:49 am EST

Ron Paul Campaign Files Caucus Challenge with Louisiana GOP

Multiple errors in process leave caucus results unresolved

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – Yesterday, the Ron Paul presidential campaign filed a letter with the Louisiana Republican Party to contest the credentials of delegates to the state convention.

Under state party rules, campaigns have 72 hours from the end of the caucus to file such a contest. This contest was filed in response to multiple problems with the caucus process.

“The initial failure of the Louisiana GOP to properly determine who was and wasn’t eligible to vote threw this entire process into disarray,” said Ron Paul campaign manager Lew Moore. “However, voter eligibility was just one of many irregularities with the caucus process. We are filing this contest to ensure that we can challenge the results if it appears that delegates were improperly selected.”

The Louisiana State GOP changed the rules at the eleventh hour to allow other candidates to file more delegates, even though there were plenty of delegates to compose full slates in each congressional district. At the time of the original January 10 deadline, Ron Paul had the largest number of delegates pledged to him. The party then changed the rules to give other candidates until January 12 to file more delegates.

In addition, due to mistakes by the Louisiana GOP, hundreds of voters were forced to file provisional ballots, including nearly 500 that could change the outcome of the election. According to the LA GOP, caucus locations relied on a voter list from November 1, 2007 or perhaps earlier despite the fact that under the caucus rules, voters need only have registered Republican before November 30, 2007.

There were even instances at the caucuses where state-certified Ron Paul delegates appearing on the ballot were forced to file a provisional ballot despite the fact they were pre-approved as delegates.

fmontez

01-26-2008, 06:01 PM

Country over party troll.

I don't give one damn about "the party". The time has come to be good Americans, not good Republicans. In fact with the GOP fighting us every inch on everything I will gladly bank roll an independent run for Dr. Paul and destroy the corrupt GOP.

Expose these cockroaches!

Just imagine if you courted your mate with this type of drival.

"Hi Honey, boy you are an ugly fat bloated piece of crap. Can we go upstairs and have sex?"

LibertyEagle

01-26-2008, 06:02 PM

More importantly a key mistake in this campaign has been the courting of non-GOP voters, it is the primary reason (next to Iraq) that we are not in the top 3 right now. Too many Marxists and other 3rd Party supporters has pinned the label of Fringe Candidate right on RP’s head.

Do you realize that the GOP has been overtaken at the top by ex-Trotskyite neo-conservatives? Let that sink in really good. Then, listen to this:

NEO-CONNED

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4156174553630131591

deedles

01-26-2008, 06:06 PM

Just imagine if you courted your mate with this type of drival.

"Hi Honey, boy you are an ugly fat bloated piece of crap. Can we go upstairs and have sex?"

This clown is now on the ignore list. I highly advise everyone else to do the same. He's having fun and wasting your energy.

Where is menthol patch?

deedles

01-26-2008, 06:10 PM

http://www.felixmontez.com/

Probably is studying us because he thinks we're addicted.

pcosmar

01-26-2008, 06:16 PM

This clown is now on the ignore list. I highly advise everyone else to do the same. He's having fun and wasting your energy.

Where is menthol patch?

I have no one on ignore. I like to keep an eye on them.
I have called SHILL some time ago, and that is just being proven.
I had tried to work with the local GOP early on, and it became apparent that I was banging my head against a wall. It felt so good when I stopped.
I hope they will come around, and we can reform the party. If not then run them over and utterly crush them.
I want my Country back. The GOP is in the way.

Runnerguy

01-26-2008, 06:16 PM

FMONTEZ, have you even read that GOP platform that you have in your sig? Because it resembles nothing about traditional conservatism whatsoever. Rather it looks like a treatise for big government neo-conservatism.

Tell me, have you noticed how the Republican Party has shrunk over the last years? Do you know why? It is because most of the traditional conservatives (Goldwater-Republicans) LEFT THE PARTY. You see, traditional conservatism has nothing to do with warmongering or preemptive strikes against countries that have not attacked us, nor pose an eminent threat. Nor does traditional conservatism have anything whatsoever to do with illegal searches and seizures, unconstitutional wiretapping of American citizens, stripping habeas corpus from American citizens, or to make this easier, just about anything George W. Bush has done.

As a life-long Republican, I am ASHAMED of the Republican party, but more than that, I am ashamed of those Republicans who have covered their eyes and their ears, while our Constitution has been stomped all over and totally disregarded by some of their own.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but you appear to have much more allegiance to the Republican Party than you do your country.
+1776

Revolution9

01-26-2008, 06:42 PM

(1) I am glad Ron Paul is not connected to the NH recount, because I knew no matter how it turned out the Truthers would not accept the tally.

(2) I think National was right to file a challenge in LA, just to keep the option open, but I doubt it will go any farther.

(3) LA does not appear to have any fraud at all... rules change (The RNC can do that, they could limit voters to people dressed like Pink Elephants if they wanted too.) You adapt and move on.

(4) Crying Wolf Effect: belly whining and crying fraud hurts RP more than any actual vote fraud ever could. We cry fraud every day on here, so much so that NO one will ever believe us if there is real fraud at some junction.

Well..that is a load of useless tripe that could only issue from an obsequious bootlicker, whose bent knee and bonded chains serve him as a baby's pacifier. Fortunately your cries of wolf about crying wolf are simply crying wolf. Seems you lack the essential human trait of wanting fair play to occur and prefer to bed down with your fellow sociopatrhs and describe our behaviour as vulnerable. Typical gambit for a psychopathic mindset or one inculcated into the egophreniacal field of the boobocracy whose ponerologocally esablished rule and regime reeks of psychopathy.

Enjoy your trolling whilst I enjoying putting my size ten motorcycle boot up yer ass. You spent alot of time in my PM yesterday. I KNOW who you are.

HTH
Randy

Revolution9

01-26-2008, 06:44 PM

Just imagine if you courted your mate with this type of drival.

"Hi Honey, boy you are an ugly fat bloated piece of crap. Can we go upstairs and have sex?"

Beats them saying bend over and take it and give me all your money to kill brown people with or I will hurt you badly.

HTH
Randy

billyjoeallen

01-26-2008, 06:46 PM

January 26, 2008 11:49 am EST

Ron Paul Campaign Files Caucus Challenge with Louisiana GOP

Multiple errors in process leave caucus results unresolved

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – Yesterday, the Ron Paul presidential campaign filed a letter with the Louisiana Republican Party to contest the credentials of delegates to the state convention.

Under state party rules, campaigns have 72 hours from the end of the caucus to file such a contest. This contest was filed in response to multiple problems with the caucus process.

“The initial failure of the Louisiana GOP to properly determine who was and wasn’t eligible to vote threw this entire process into disarray,” said Ron Paul campaign manager Lew Moore. “However, voter eligibility was just one of many irregularities with the caucus process. We are filing this contest to ensure that we can challenge the results if it appears that delegates were improperly selected.”

The Louisiana State GOP changed the rules at the eleventh hour to allow other candidates to file more delegates, even though there were plenty of delegates to compose full slates in each congressional district. At the time of the original January 10 deadline, Ron Paul had the largest number of delegates pledged to him. The party then changed the rules to give other candidates until January 12 to file more delegates.

In addition, due to mistakes by the Louisiana GOP, hundreds of voters were forced to file provisional ballots, including nearly 500 that could change the outcome of the election. According to the LA GOP, caucus locations relied on a voter list from November 1, 2007 or perhaps earlier despite the fact that under the caucus rules, voters need only have registered Republican before November 30, 2007.

There were even instances at the caucuses where state-certified Ron Paul delegates appearing on the ballot were forced to file a provisional ballot despite the fact they were pre-approved as delegates.

fmontez

01-26-2008, 06:54 PM

Well..that is a load of useless tripe that could only issue from an obsequious bootlicker, whose bent knee and bonded chains serve him as a baby's pacifier. Fortunately your cries of wolf about crying wolf are simply crying wolf. Seems you lack the essential human trait of wanting fair play to occur and prefer to bed down with your fellow sociopatrhs and describe our behaviour as vulnerable. Typical gambit for a psychopathic mindset or one inculcated into the egophreniacal field of the boobocracy whose ponerologocally esablished rule and regime reeks of psychopathy.

Enjoy your trolling whilst I enjoying putting my size ten motorcycle boot up yer ass. You spent alot of time in my PM yesterday. I KNOW who you are.

HTH
Randy

LOL, I too got a sense of you yesterday.. I respect some of your opinions... but you are a Truther (even if you don't believe it.. hard core.) I would say more than half the posts on here contain some level of Truther talk (as measured by mainsteam voters.)

jdmetz

01-26-2008, 06:56 PM

(3) LA does not appear to have any fraud at all... rules change (The RNC can do that, they could limit voters to people dressed like Pink Elephants if they wanted too.) You adapt and move on.
The fraud is that the GOP specified Nov 30th for the Republican registration deadline. The applications have the application date on them, but the GOP is using the processing date to see if people are qualified or not. Many people who applied by the deadline are being excluded due to this.

(4) Crying Wolf Effect: belly whining and crying fraud hurts RP more than any actual vote fraud ever could. We cry fraud every day on here, so much so that NO one will ever believe us if there is real fraud at some junction.
I agree with this point, though.

jdmetz

01-26-2008, 06:59 PM

The GOP has a platform, and it is a party... I totally sympathize with the RNC. Just imagine how Libertarians would feel if they woke up and their party was taken over by Marxists. That is just being a spoiler. If you don’t agree with the majority of the platform I recommend you not join the Republican Party.
Just imagine how those marxists would feel if libertarians tried to take the party back from them. You're suggesting the libertarians should just leave the party to them because the marxists are in the majority? That is essentially what has happened (replace 'libertarians' with 'Republicans' and 'marxists' with 'neo-cons').

davidt!

01-26-2008, 07:03 PM

What about a class action law suit? Is that possible in a circumstance like this?

Lord Xar

01-26-2008, 07:09 PM

LOL, I too got a sense of you yesterday.. I respect some of your opinions... but you are a Truther (even if you don't believe it.. hard core.) I would say more than half the posts on here contain some level of Truther talk (as measured by mainsteam voters.)

hah.. Montez, please dude. You are sounding very ignorant and rather desperate. I love these neo-con types. KILL KILL KILL the bad evil islofascistnaziterrorists and protect our 'friends' - ABOVE ALL ELSE!! You are not a true republican, nor are you a believer in the Constitution. Even if you don't believe it, hard core.

pcosmar

01-26-2008, 07:15 PM

fmontez

Has been OUTED

Revolution9

01-26-2008, 07:22 PM

LOL, I too got a sense of you yesterday.. I respect some of your opinions... but you are a Truther (even if you don't believe it.. hard core.) I would say more than half the posts on here contain some level of Truther talk (as measured by mainsteam voters.)

A Truther.. Hardly.. I knew about their gambit 20 years prior. That puts me in an entirely different category. As well I know the inside ballgame via people like Karl WB Schwarz and VK Durham who have more real insider knowledge in their little finger than you could muster in an entire motorcade of your kind. So your scurrilous attempt at dismissal is useless and ineffective. I see you as just a blinkered and bibulous mouthpiece spouting namecalling and sinnicastering in a lame attempt to remove any sense of proprietry that your worthy opponents have in hand. Fortunately your spew and gambts are well worn and easy to spot for the veteran and somewhat new reader around here so you can mark "failed miserably" on your attempt at an obfuscation gambit.

Bring that truncated intellect and all of its 101 political lightweight gambits on montez. I can smoke your sorry tripe into the ground and have a good chucklefest while i am at it.

Randy

integrity

01-26-2008, 07:22 PM

fmontez

Has been OUTED

you guys finally noticed? I had it with this trolls BS a long time ago. I say keep him around now as an example of neocon idiocracy.... but put a disclaimer on his title.

dgingerich

01-26-2008, 07:52 PM

fmontez joined this month and already has over 600 posts. Who has that much time?! I work from home and still couldn't do that. He's probably one of the "paid bloggers" from the other campaigns. No wonder they're all broke! They're paying people like this to "infiltrate" us.:rolleyes:

FSP-Rebel

01-26-2008, 07:55 PM

fmontez Knows he's done, now let this thing die

billyjoeallen

01-26-2008, 07:58 PM

Quit bitching and send some emails to the LA press!

We scored an important victory in Louisiana, but now we have to claim it.

forward the press release, please.

dblee

01-26-2008, 08:03 PM

sigh. we gotta beat this.

we are being robbed of our 1st place win.

BirdsAreWild

01-27-2008, 09:00 PM

Why is the LA GOP not posting the results other than indicating that they have completed the recount? They were very quick to post an entire page about the prelimary results.

liam

01-27-2008, 11:39 PM

I posted this http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=103160 and was told it was old news. However it reports that what happened in Lousiana happened in 2004 election and many other methods of getting elected who the establishment wants. So really this must be stopped by your courts as otherwise they will just do exactly what is detailed in this document again with the same result. Sounds crazy but it is as if the Democratis party has been promised this election and that is why they did not contest the 3 billion to 1 chance that the 2004 election was not fraud as statistically demonstarted in this article.

pacelli

01-28-2008, 12:06 AM

VoteForRonPaul

01-28-2008, 10:42 AM