Our Rivals at the Huck camp & my Big Ideas

[LandonCook]

You know what, I think the Huck camp is more organized than us.
We have the manpower, but they have a number of things I wish we had....

One thing I've wanted to see, but haven't. Is the expansion of this forum to a bigger webstie. Why not, instead of www.PaulHive.com redirecting to the forums, why don't we have a main grassroots site? Who owns the PaulHive domain? I would love to fix up a VERY well done grassroots site similar to what the Huck camp has on http://www.hucksarmy.com/

Some of the thing that I love that they do is the U.S grassroots map.
When I clicked on my state I got this:

"ARKANSAS
State Coordinator/Contact:
Andrea Aaron (arbanjoman@hughes.net)
Local Directors:
Directors Needed...contact Andrea if you are interested in helping lead your local area.

Local Meetup Groups: <<<<<We need this somewhere
Fayetteville for Mike Huckabee Meetup
Ft. Smith for Mike Huckabee Meetup
Ft. Smith for Mike Huckabee Meetup
Heber Springs for Mike Huckabee Meetup
Little Rock, Arkansas for Mike Huckabee Meetup
N.E. AR. for Mike Huckabee Meetup
Pine Bluff for Mike Huckabee Meetup
Texarkana for Mike Huckabee Meetup
Start Your Own Meetup

On Facebook.com:
Arkansans FOR Huckabee in 2008

Blog:
http://www.arkansansforhuckabee.blogspot.com/"


http://www.hucksarmy.com/images/hucksarmy_preview.jpg



Seriously though, they are kicking our ass with impressive looking centralized grassroots organization.

But I want to go far beyond what they are doing...

I've been talking to alot of people from around the country, and alot from Callie, and everyone I talk to wants to unite all of the meetups. I want to work with some people here on getting the site up and setting up this national meetup organization that goes from Meetup members to Meetup organizers to State Meetup organizers to a National Board Organizers. What do you guys think?

[Jae0]

Pretty good ideas.

[pinkmandy]

They are good ideas. It's harder to be as organized when there are so many people- a curse we have to live with and we've def spent a lot more time organizing money bombs. ;) I totally think we should go for it, though. We have some tech savvy people here- why not?

[Shink]

I think now isn't the time to get hung up on websites and gizmos. The jealousy has always been theirs of us. Don't reverse the trend. You know we're more dedicated because we have a real cause, a philosophy as or more important than simply an election. The mods/admin have great sounding plans for the site after the fact--worry about it then. The official site is where the introduction to RP is, this is where minds meet to get things done. If you've got a request/idea you really believe in, let the mods know in the suggestions area.

[Jae0]

I think now isn't the time to get hung up on websites and gizmos. The jealousy has always been theirs of us. Don't reverse the trend. You know we're more dedicated because we have a real cause, a philosophy as or more important than simply an election. The mods/admin have great sounding plans for the site after the fact--worry about it then. The official site is where the introduction to RP is, this is where minds meet to get things done.

The Huck people do have good ideas though, no harm is stating a fact. Why not take whats working for them and make it work for us?

[Jeremy]

The people behind Huck's Army were webmaster way before Huckabee.

[Myerz]

I have been screaming for Grassroots organization forever! You are preaching to the chior. I do not have the resources to head this up.....but I am in on the the thought.

Watch out though.....there are some frickin' assholes in here that get organization and socialism mixed up. their legalism will be the death of us.

Just imagine how much more effective we could be...... if we were organized.....you guys look to Trevor as a voice, and I agree.....it looks to me he has dropped what he was doing and picked up the Ron Paul football....see if he would head up the organization??? Someone has to do it, is it going to take an ass woopin to prove it to you?

[LandonCook]

I think now isn't the time to get hung up on websites and gizmos. The jealousy has always been theirs of us. Don't reverse the trend. You know we're more dedicated because we have a real cause, a philosophy as or more important than simply an election. The mods/admin have great sounding plans for the site after the fact--worry about it then. The official site is where the introduction to RP is, this is where minds meet to get things done. If you've got a request/idea you really believe in, let the mods know in the suggestions area.

I was thinking it as a post Feb 5th idea... We only have 10 days left to campaign in our own areas and im busy as could be with that. But after we are done with the 5th we still have to find a way to keep everyone working with the meetups and growing... plus to be more organized at the national level.

[donniedark0]

What about utilizing something like the Meetup Alliance? That seems to be a good way of unifying a message or effort. The biggest problem we face is we have a LOT of chefs in the kitchen sprouting off money bombs and suggesting random ideas that are well-intended, but lack organization. That's what Meetup has going for it, all it's organizers would be able to pool it's support around the ideas generated by it's members, working in a hierarchy to broaden the scope of it's events.

http://www.meetupalliance.com/RonPaul2008

[Roadrcr]

They got their own tin foil hatters there too .. Taken from thier site about their HUGE 200k donation bomb ...

RP isn't raising as much money as everyone thinks. His base of weenies is small and there's the $2300 limit involved too. Plus, on his last "money bomb" the donation curve was waaaaay too perfect. I mean perfectly smooth, no jaggies which means no deviation in the rate of contributions. Now either the weenies have an incredibly regimented schedule of who donates and when, down to the exact minute, or RP's web site donation ticker was rigged to show a constant rate of increase. When plotted on a graph the facts are glaring. No campaign can sustain a perfect bell curve over 12 straight hours. Check out the graph you'll see. No jaggies.

Finally, RP is Master Weenie, Commander of all that is NutJob, Leader of the Weenies and Dedicated Rebel Weenie Brigade Captain of the Third Order Weenie Nation.

[LandonCook]

What about utilizing something like the Meetup Alliance? That seems to be a good way of unifying a message or effort. The biggest problem we face is we have a LOT of chefs in the kitchen sprouting off money bombs and suggesting random ideas that are well-intended, but lack organization. That's what Meetup has going for it, all it's organizers would be able to pool it's support around the ideas generated by it's members, working in a hierarchy to broaden the scope of it's events.

http://www.meetupalliance.com/RonPaul2008

I love meetup, but meetupalliance needs alot of work before I would ever want to use it. Besides, we need something to connect everything, not just the meetups.

[Myerz]

I think now isn't the time to get hung up on websites and gizmos. The jealousy has always been theirs of us. Don't reverse the trend. You know we're more dedicated because we have a real cause, a philosophy as or more important than simply an election. The mods/admin have great sounding plans for the site after the fact--worry about it then. The official site is where the introduction to RP is, this is where minds meet to get things done. If you've got a request/idea you really believe in, let the mods know in the suggestions area.

Yes, but they have learned....hello? They have taken what they have been given and made the most of it.

We need a depot, a central hub where we can filter, distribute, we need to treat this like a WAR! And in WAR you don't see a whole bunch of frickin' privates running around! Where are the sergeants? Where's the Majors? We know who the Commander in Cheif is! But we all can't be privates!

[FireofLiberty]

Live support? I have to say and give credit where credit is due -- that's actually a really good idea...

[LandonCook]

Live support? I have to say and give credit where credit is due -- that's actually a really good idea...

Yes it is....

[Myerz]

LondonCook...now he's a scout...no doubt! Out there checkin in on the enemy! Sure we need alot of scouts......but come on you have to agree some organization wouldn't hurt us.

[Shink]

I was thinking it as a post Feb 5th idea... We only have 10 days left to campaign in our own areas and im busy as could be with that. But after we are done with the 5th we still have to find a way to keep everyone working with the meetups and growing... plus to be more organized at the national level.

Trust me, I with you all the way on keeping the meetups intact and organized well after the election and keeping this site going (as libertytree, I believe they said) strong and prospering. It needs to stay a heavily used hub for liberty-themed issues and efforts. One of my concerns is that win or lose, once this election is over, most will celebrate or get depressed and either way allow complacency to set in and ruin what we've accomplished.

[LandonCook]

LondonCook...now he's a scout...no doubt! Out there checkin in on the enemy! Sure we need alot of scouts......but come on you have to agree some organization wouldn't hurt us.

I could through a design up on photoshop and see what I come up with... I cal also call my buddies from MIT to help out.

[dreicher]

I have been screaming for Grassroots organization forever! You are preaching to the chior. I do not have the resources to head this up.....but I am in on the the thought.

Watch out though.....there are some frickin' assholes in here that get organization and socialism mixed up. their legalism will be the death of us.

Just imagine how much more effective we could be...... if we were organized.....you guys look to Trevor as a voice, and I agree.....it looks to me he has dropped what he was doing and picked up the Ron Paul football....see if he would head up the organization??? Someone has to do it, is it going to take an ass woopin to prove it to you?

I don't have the time to coordinate the effort, but I (like a lot of people around here I'm sure) would be willing to lend 10-15 hours per week of my professional expertise (Software Engineer) to making this a reality.

Let's take a cue from the Open Source development community where there is a common goal with a lot of people giving what they can in terms of time, expertise, money, etc. but expand it beyond the scope of just software.

It is important that whatever we do be able to scale beyond just this presidential campaign to be able to quickly roll out a baseline organization for state and local elections as well.

If someone is willing to take up the charge of coordinating the efforts - preferably with campaign experience - let's start getting a list of people willing to do the work together.

[LandonCook]

Trust me, I with you all the way on keeping the meetups intact and organized well after the election and keeping this site going (as libertytree, I believe they said) strong and prospering. It needs to stay a heavily used hub for liberty-themed issues and efforts. One of my concerns is that win or lose, once this election is over, most will celebrate or get depressed and either way allow complacency to set in and ruin what we've accomplished.

We need a vacation after this is over, that for sure... but we need some sort of goal or something to make sure people stay.

[LandonCook]

I don't have the time to coordinate the effort, but I (like a lot of people around here I'm sure) would be willing to lend 10-15 hours per week of my professional expertise (Software Engineer) to making this a reality.

Let's take a cue from the Open Source development community where there is a common goal with a lot of people giving what they can in terms of time, expertise, money, etc. but expand it beyond the scope of just software.

It is important that whatever we do be able to scale beyond just this presidential campaign to be able to quickly roll out a baseline organization for state and local elections as well.

If someone is willing to take up the charge of coordinating the efforts - preferably with campaign experience - let's start getting a list of people willing to do the work together.



I'm booked and busy(and kinda crasy for saying this) but I will do it... I'm the state Grassroots Organizer of Arkansas and run 4 meetups in 4 countys... so im used to organizing people. I'll start on a list of ideas and layouts.

Anyone who wants to help, send me your email and what you can do and ill get this thing rolling.

[Shink]

We need a vacation after this is over, that for sure... but we need some sort of goal or something to make sure people stay.

Perhaps there could be an auction system, people selling and buying silver/gold coins, other liberty-themed items.

There should be several incentives for people to stick around. I think having some of the depth of this forum I use pretty often would help: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/ I know they aren't any slicker than this site, but the CONTENT is what matters. Have subsections for 'outside' discussions, Entertainment, forum games (check out Mafia here (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/forumdisplay.php?f=186) :cool: ) Rules here. (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=28270) Have your post count allow upgrades to your profile, spent as points. That's for mods to deal with, really, but you know what I mean.

There would still have to be as much focus on news (a news ticker would be the coolest thing I'd ever see), events and whatnot, but make sure you have some customization, depth, and fun. I'm sure people would like some sort of wiki project as well, whether it be about liberty or the campaign or both.;)

[Shink]

Yes, but they have learned....hello? They have taken what they have been given and made the most of it.

We need a depot, a central hub where we can filter, distribute, we need to treat this like a WAR! And in WAR you don't see a whole bunch of frickin' privates running around! Where are the sergeants? Where's the Majors? We know who the Commander in Cheif is! But we all can't be privates!

I'm the worst person to use faux military speak to, just so you know.

[Roadrcr]

I think Jame Aitken is working on this over at the hive.

[LandonCook]

I think Jame Aitken is working on this over at the hive.

Who and where?

[dblee]

the meetup alliance kinda sucks. we should make our own thing happen tailored for our needs.

I agree this is a good idea.

The beauty of capitalism. The free ebb and flow (and stealing) of great ideas.

[Ara825]

I really do wish we had a way to connect all the Ron Paul meetup groups. I am a member of two Ron Paul meetups and see that there is a lot of difference in the two. One group is very active, with daily group emails, organizing sign making parties, sign waving etc. The other group is basically dead except for a monthly meetings. The ability to link up as one hugh group with thousands of sub groups would be wonderful.

[johnpp2]

Maybe he has nice graphics, but his support and fundraising are pathetic. We are a rag-tag group of unorganized crazies, and we're beating Huck. Ron Paul is sticking to his guns, and so should we. Rag-tag crazies are unpredictable, and that is the best quality any opposition to the elite can have.

[Shink]

Perhaps there could be an auction system, people selling and buying silver/gold coins, other liberty-themed items.

There should be several incentives for people to stick around. I think having some of the depth of this forum I use pretty often would help: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/ I know they aren't any slicker than this site, but the CONTENT is what matters. Have subsections for 'outside' discussions, Entertainment, forum games (check out Mafia here (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/forumdisplay.php?f=186) :cool: ) Rules here. (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=28270) Have your post count allow upgrades to your profile, spent as points. That's for mods to deal with, really, but you know what I mean.

There would still have to be as much focus on news (a news ticker would be the coolest thing I'd ever see), events and whatnot, but make sure you have some customization, depth, and fun. I'm sure people would like some sort of wiki project as well, whether it be about liberty or the campaign or both.;)

Bump for input from anybody.

[LandonCook]

Bump for input from anybody.



hold on a sec, I'm putting some stuff together, i'll be back...

[zmyrick19]

a name suggestion: www.PaulsPatriots.(com/org) (playing off of Huck's Army)
It's kinda catchy, but I don't know how much work it would take to create and maintain.

[Trigonx]

hucks raising a steady amount of money, he raised over 200k yesterday, he about to catch us within 3-4 days for the quarter.

[Rhys]

i'm nervous about too much filtration. a digg type system might work but top down is not what's made this movement work.

the crazy message board is sorta good because you feel like you can get caught up in the flow of something

In the end, something to think about is TikiWiki at tikiwiki.org.

It's already built, open source and would incorporate the wild west with the orderly... keeping both in tact.

[Crickett]

They have a meetup group in Heber Springs, but the only signs I see anywhere are the 6 that I put up that say RP and one someone else did. None For Huck yet, but he does have some rabid supporters around here..he is such a crook and a liar that they better not come around me because I would rather have Billary than him, and both of them make me sick.

[JSCHAFER1337]

a name suggestion: www.PaulsPatriots.(com/org) (playing off of Huck's Army)
It's kinda catchy, but I don't know how much work it would take to create and maintain.

I like this. These are all great ideas, by the way, including the gold and silver buying/selling/trading section. Yes, our grassroots support for RP is more productive and enthused than Huck's, but I do agree that a bit more centralization and organization is necessary. It'd make us that much more effective, in my opinion.

[lastnymleft]

Did someone say live support?? That's a FANTASTIC idea!

We could all take turns volunteering to answer pings.

In fact, how about a central system that every Ron Paul -related website can stick a live-chat icon on, and we can all answer questions about him?

[tsetsefly]

They got their own tin foil hatters there too .. Taken from thier site about their HUGE 200k donation bomb ...

RP isn't raising as much money as everyone thinks. His base of weenies is small and there's the $2300 limit involved too. Plus, on his last "money bomb" the donation curve was waaaaay too perfect. I mean perfectly smooth, no jaggies which means no deviation in the rate of contributions. Now either the weenies have an incredibly regimented schedule of who donates and when, down to the exact minute, or RP's web site donation ticker was rigged to show a constant rate of increase. When plotted on a graph the facts are glaring. No campaign can sustain a perfect bell curve over 12 straight hours. Check out the graph you'll see. No jaggies.

Finally, RP is Master Weenie, Commander of all that is NutJob, Leader of the Weenies and Dedicated Rebel Weenie Brigade Captain of the Third Order Weenie Nation.

weenie?

[CJLauderdale4]

hucks raising a steady amount of money, he raised over 200k yesterday, he about to catch us within 3-4 days for the quarter.

Yes, but Huck still needs to pay the bills for all of that organization and flashiness. No one here should think for a minute that Huckleberry is doing much more with less money than Ron Paul. He's paying or it all and is broke as hell.

The one thing Huck has that Ron Paul doesn't is the support of the MSM via the brain-washing mechanism that sits in every living room in America known as the television. Without the MSM and TV, Huckleberry would have dropped out when Brownback did.

Ron Paul is playing the "last man standing game". He realizes he's the only one with the RIGHT message. So, he'll let the others battle each other (notice no other candidate asked Ron Paul a question in the FL debates this week), and eventually there will be only 2-3 left. Then, Ron Paul will be the only choice left for the true conservatives. Then Ron Paul can go on the offensive. It is easier to attack 2-3 than 7-9 candidates.

This strategy is only possible if you can afford it. Ron has the money to stay in the race.
WE are the ones who gave him the ability to stay in the race and WE MUST CONTINUE TO DONATE FOR HIS STRATEGY TO WORK!!

Go Ron Paul!!

[tsetsefly]

Seriously though, they are kicking our ass with impressive looking centralized grassroots organization.

But I want to go far beyond what they are doing...

I've been talking to alot of people from around the country, and alot from Callie, and everyone I talk to wants to unite all of the meetups. I want to work with some people here on getting the site up and setting up this national meetup organization that goes from Meetup members to Meetup organizers to State Meetup organizers to a National Board Organizers. What do you guys think?

They have a good setup but they dont have anywhere near the number of grassroot supporters we have, not even close.

Remember the less informed voters are the better for fuckabee, so...