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libertythor
01-25-2008, 12:48 AM
http://digg.com/politics/Mitt_Romney_Caught_on_Video_Receiving_Whispered_De bate_Cues

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Yes! This is debate related.

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01-25-2008, 12:49 AM
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01-25-2008, 12:50 AM
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01-25-2008, 12:51 AM
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01-25-2008, 12:53 AM
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01-25-2008, 12:54 AM
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01-25-2008, 12:56 AM
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01-25-2008, 01:04 AM
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01-25-2008, 01:11 AM
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01-25-2008, 01:15 AM
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01-25-2008, 01:16 AM
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libertythor
01-25-2008, 01:17 AM
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gracebkr
01-25-2008, 01:19 AM
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josh24601
01-25-2008, 01:43 AM
EDIT: MSNBC chimes in: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/25/609835.aspx

I've thought a lot about this, because at first I was freaked out like everyone else and was convinced Romney had answers being fed to him. But then, when you think about it, it's clear what happened.

Russert basically asked "Will you do what Reagan did?" but ended his question. The point of his question was, obviously, will you raise taxes like Reagan did?

When somebody, maybe Williams, maybe a producer, heard him finish the question without including the main point, they whispered, "He raised taxes."

Mitt answered back right away, "I won't raise taxes...." Whether Mitt heard the whisper or just knew what Russert was getting at is conjecture.

But then Russert went on to rephrase the question, including the tax part. MSNBC noted it and mentioned it in their live blog, but obviously once somebody told them it was their own network trying to help their own moderator, they pulled it, only making the conspiracy seem that much more nefarious. But it's pretty obvious this is the deal. In hindsight they should have just said "Oh, somebody needed to help Tim out, haha."

Sorry, I would have *loved* to have had this crazy earpiece mic scandal, but it's pretty clear somebody felt Russert needed to be more clear in the intention of his question.

Watch the youtube and you'll see what I mean:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP0vewX-ES0

Trigonx
01-25-2008, 01:46 AM
yeah it was the other Moderator.

ReallyNow
01-25-2008, 02:06 AM
Russert is known for Gotcha questions. Unless there's evidence to the contrary, this seems like it was fed to Romney and not to Russert. His 2nd part was going to be the Gotcha part if Romney said he agreed with Reagan. Remember the Gotcha on McCain's Meet the Press interview?

Itzsoez
01-25-2008, 02:08 AM
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Mitt Romneys sideburns
01-25-2008, 02:38 AM
Russert is nothing but gotcha questions. Thats all he does.

dkim68
01-25-2008, 03:45 AM
Josh, suggesting the voice was Russert is ridiculous. It is so obviously not Russert. And so obviously another voice telling Romney how to answer.

Ryokucha
01-25-2008, 03:53 AM
Russert is the gotcha guy as people here already mentioned, so it would make no sense for another mod to tell Russert the question was about taxes. I am pretty sure Russert knew what he was trying to throw at Romney, he was trying to get him to say "I would do what Reagan did because he was the best president ever."

His 2nd part of the question was even lined up as a gotcha, even though Mitt said right off the bat I will not raise taxes, as if he knew Russert was throwing him a curve ball. I think that is what makes the whisper all that more important to this whole thing.

Let MSNBC come out and tell us what their view is at least. If they want to say it was just a mod clearing up the question to Romney so be it.

AFTFNJ
01-25-2008, 04:25 AM
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Voodoo
01-25-2008, 05:56 AM
It's perfectly clear to me that the whisper comes from the ghost of Ronald Reagan.

Thomas Paine
01-25-2008, 06:03 AM
Russert is such a piece of crap. He should try being a journalist for at least once in his life.

Ryokucha
01-25-2008, 06:12 AM
I think it was just Romney's Inner Monolog. He was thinking so hard about the question that he projected his thoughts in to the mic. Seems the most logical theory. Romney is a super hero after all? He did single handily do a bunch of stuff that apparently saved Massachusetts before it's impending destruction? Hmm maybe I am mixing that up with a show that one of his commercials played during. But he did see his dad march with MLK Jr, only Mitt has the powers to see things that didn't really happen!

jawrightbiz
01-25-2008, 08:43 AM
If you can find one post from a person who joined this forum before January 2008 with more than three hundred posts to their name who doesn't think Willard Mitt Romney was fed the answers to the questions I will drop the arguement. Otherwise, every single post about this being some 'reasonable' explanation are all coming from these people.

olehounddog
01-25-2008, 08:48 AM
he was fed

bclemms
01-25-2008, 08:52 AM
Oh I feel better now that I know the moderator of the presidential debate was feeding Romney answers.

Exponent
01-25-2008, 09:07 AM
I don't remember any "gotcha" question of that type the whole debate, especially one that would have been that blatant. I personally cannot believe that as a probable explanation. I agree with the OP completely; Russert was just wording the question poorly, Romney might miss the point, many viewers would definitely miss the point, and confusion or misdirection was not what was desired.

Raising taxes, some taxes, is a viable option, especially when you're in a serious budget crunch, and they wanted to know if Romney would do that, and if not, how else he thought he could handle the situation. It's really not a strange question at all. And it fits the rest of the debate far better than the gotcha theory, in my opinion.

Oh, and does a join date of May 2007, and a post count of 387, cause me to become a legitimate non-troll? :rolleyes:

mudburn
01-25-2008, 09:33 AM
Why would Russert need to be reminded to ask part of a question he has written on a piece of paper in front of him? That, I don't understand.

dp

fedup100
01-25-2008, 09:36 AM
"Bullshit" this is the man in earlier debates that would need to consult his Loya's in regards to any and every question regarding the Constitution. That is why Paul responded with "just read the Constitution, it tells you what to do"!

Exponent
01-25-2008, 09:39 AM
Why would Russert need to be reminded to ask part of a question he has written on a piece of paper in front of him? That, I don't understand.

dp
A) The written question is not in literal form, only abbreviated form, so there is some translation of the details into normal speech, and he skipped over a point. If he totally missed a point, he probably wouldn't immediately remember that he missed a point unless someone informed him that he missed a point.
B) While trying to make eye contact with Romney, and also while trying to formulate the way he wished to say the question, his initial formulation, which he has already mostly stated, isn't exactly what he wanted. But, he decides that perhaps it's good enough, and on a snap decision, chooses not to try to add in an additional clause about the raising taxes; maybe Romney will figure out. But perhaps one of Russert's peers or bosses thinks otherwise (and of course doesn't know what's going on in Russert's head anyway), and tries to help him out.

I could see myself easily doing either one of those. Standard human behavior, now and then.

Crickett
01-25-2008, 09:40 AM
I know it wasn't Russart. He would not have said that because he was trying to find out how Mitt would answer that, and the tax thing was a key he would not have given to him. I heard some other "whispers" in that debate as well as the above. I did not see an earpiece. I did not see a cellphone. I still do not know what it was..but it was very odd that we heard that, and then he answered like that. It may ave been a cameraman or something, because I heard something else when going to a commercial, like "that is unbelieveable" or something like that..

hdmf
01-25-2008, 09:59 AM
I'm sorry, I'm not buying it. The whispered word "he" comes in almost simultaneously with the last word of Russert's question, which was "1983". If someone was trying to help Russert out there would have been more of a pause. Also, I don't think it was any coincidence that Romney was positioned at the end of the stage where someone offstage left could easily "whisper" to him.

1000-points-of-fright
01-25-2008, 10:18 AM
If you can find one post from a person who joined this forum before January 2008 with more than three hundred posts to their name who doesn't think Willard Mitt Romney was fed the answers to the questions I will drop the arguement. Otherwise, every single post about this being some 'reasonable' explanation are all coming from these people.

Watch your toes buddy. I think it was one of the other candidates taking a stab at Romney under their breathe saying that his plan would be to raise taxes. Remember how they would laugh and make fun of Paul before. Now it's Romney's turn.

Or

It was one of the other moderators talking. The mics were left open so many times during that debate.

You gonna drop it now?

JMann
01-25-2008, 10:27 AM
Russert is such a piece of crap. He should try being a journalist for at least once in his life.

Russert is a journalist but I would never call him a reporter. For those that don't know anything about that industry, they all want to be considered reporters and not journalist but the simple fact is most of them have no idea how to report. Reporting is basically stating the facts surrounding an event that you have witnessed or researched. The reason Dan Rather used to always say, Dan Rather reporting for the CBS news, though he wasn't reporting he was giving an editorial full of his opinions of events.

A play-by-play sports broadcaster (especially a radio guy) are the best at reporting. They tell you exactly what they see, hear and feel with very little additional commentary. The extra fluffy stuff is brought to you by the color analyst who is there to do the work of a journalist and gives his opinion to what just happened on the field or court.

UtahApocalypse
01-25-2008, 10:41 AM
Originally Posted by jawrightbiz
If you can find one post from a person who joined this forum before January 2008 with more than three hundred posts to their name who doesn't think Willard Mitt Romney was fed the answers to the questions I will drop the arguement. Otherwise, every single post about this being some 'reasonable' explanation are all coming from these people.

As I said last night when I buried the first digg about this. I bet it was:

A> Another Moderator
B> Producer, Director
C> Audience Member

If you think logically (which most of you cant it appears) If it was a "secret whisper" to Romney why woul it have been broadcast over the network? and not in a ear piece?

josh24601
01-25-2008, 10:51 AM
If you can find one post from a person who joined this forum before January 2008 with more than three hundred posts to their name who doesn't think Willard Mitt Romney was fed the answers to the questions I will drop the arguement. Otherwise, every single post about this being some 'reasonable' explanation are all coming from these people.

I don't care how long people have been sitting on their computer saying stupid things, if you can't even read my message correctly (or at all) it doesn't matter how long you've been spamming a forum with nonsense.

I said that Brian Williams (the other moderator) or a producer, etc. whispered it to Russert because Russert only asked Romney if he would do what Reagan did, but forgot the main point of the question (would you *raise taxes* to help social security). For most people, just saying "what Reagan did" would not be enough, he had to specifically ask about the raising of taxes. Hence the need for somebody to prompt him.

Whether or not Mitt heard the whisper to Russert like everybody else or not and just answered it is conjecture but it makes sense. Russert then immediately followed up his original abbreviated question explaining about the raising of taxes.

As I said, I was convinced at first it was a Quiz Show moment but it clearly was not.

I am getting so fed up with the tin-foil hat wearing Illuminati-fearing crowd here... I've been banned over and over for supporting RP on freerepublic and just lurked there until I found this place, and thought to myself "wow, how cool". Little did I know it was run by a bunch of nuts. Most of you people are nuts. It's a sad realization for me but just look at this thread. You see conspiracy and X Files everywhere you look, completely ignoring the most rational answers. It's sad.

You need to plug into the real world and give up the fantasies if you want anybody to take you seriously. Because at this point I'm pretty much convinced that the haters are right and that Ron Paul is supported by a bunch of closet socialists and conspiracy freaks. I know there are other normal people like me, but I am afraid we are in the minority.

All this crap you spew loses the respect of the people against you, the undecided and uninformed in the middle you claim to want to win over, and even fellow supporters like me who can't stomach your crap anymore.

I'll support RP with my friends and by myself because I know that I'm not gonna hear any stupidity from them, and we'll talk about real ideas and philosophies that matter, not this idiocy.

HOLLYWOOD
01-25-2008, 10:55 AM
TAKING IT TO THE next level...

BRINGS BACK THIS...\\


GEORGE BUSH PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, Oct 9, 2004

exposing how George W. Bush had worn an electronic cueing device in his ear and probably cheated during the presidential debates. Photos depicting the bulge and speculating on just what it might be (a medical device, a radio receiver?) began circulating widely around the Internet, and several special blog sites were established to discuss them. The suspicion that Bush had been getting cues or answers in his ear was bolstered by his strange behavior in that first debate, which included several uncomfortably long pauses before and during his answers. On one occasion, he burst out angrily with "Now let me finish!" at a time when nobody was interrupting him and his warning light was not flashing. Images of visibly bulging backs from earlier Bush appearances began circulating, along with reports of prior incidents that suggested Bush might have been receiving hidden cues/whispers. i'M sure the device have been miniaturized even more.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/mzcmdr/BigDebateBulge.jpg

josh24601
01-25-2008, 11:01 AM
I'm not even gonna bother asking you all how a device in his ear could say anything loud enough to be heard on the microphones to the point of being broadcast on television without the man so much as flinching. Because I know little problems in logic like this are no match for your conspiracies.

amy31416
01-25-2008, 11:23 AM
I've thought a lot about this, because at first I was freaked out like everyone else and was convinced Romney had answers being fed to him. But then, when you think about it, it's clear what happened.




Why are you defending Romney against this and that "who let the dogs out" video?

Why did MSNBC post something about it then immediately get rid of it with no explanation?

Why did Romney edit it out from his YouTube video?

HOLLYWOOD
01-25-2008, 11:26 AM
DO we have the UNEDITED VERSION on YouTUBE?

Anyone do an AUDIO ENHANCEMENT from the Digital Dolby audio?

Please post it so we may review...

JMann
01-25-2008, 11:32 AM
TAKING IT TO THE next level...

BRINGS BACK THIS...\\


GEORGE BUSH PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, Oct 9, 2004

exposing how George W. Bush had worn an electronic cueing device in his ear and probably cheated during the presidential debates. Photos depicting the bulge and speculating on just what it might be (a medical device, a radio receiver?) began circulating widely around the Internet, and several special blog sites were established to discuss them. The suspicion that Bush had been getting cues or answers in his ear was bolstered by his strange behavior in that first debate, which included several uncomfortably long pauses before and during his answers. On one occasion, he burst out angrily with "Now let me finish!" at a time when nobody was interrupting him and his warning light was not flashing. Images of visibly bulging backs from earlier Bush appearances began circulating, along with reports of prior incidents that suggested Bush might have been receiving hidden cues/whispers. i'M sure the device have been miniaturized even more.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/mzcmdr/BigDebateBulge.jpg

You are saying the President of the US was wearing an electronic device of 1950's technology. What do you think he was wearing a reel-to-reel? I would think that looks more like a bullet proof vest.

Marc3579
01-25-2008, 11:37 AM
Uh I don't believe Romney was fed answers...It was Brian Williams, or a producer. Now will you drop it? My join date Jun 2007. It is a reasonable explanation for the "whisper", so quit thinking of some conspiracy theory that is *NOT* there mmmK?

josh24601
01-25-2008, 11:48 AM
Why are you defending Romney against this and that "who let the dogs out" video?

Why did MSNBC post something about it then immediately get rid of it with no explanation?

Why did Romney edit it out from his YouTube video?

This just shows that not all Ron Paul supporters are smart.

Nowhere did I "defend Romney."

This is the exact type of thinking that supposedly freaks you out about Bush so much. If you criticize Iraq, you are "defending terrorists." If you criticize this stupid conspiracy theory, you are "defending Romney." The seeds of fascist thought are already planted in the militant wing of the Ron Paul movement, lovely. Add a dash of unwillingness to see reality (it was a stupid moderator talking / there are no WMDs) and we have a "freedom" movement built on the same thuggish irrationality of the one it wants to replace.

I'm sure all the new Fred Thompson supporters are really impressed.

gb13
01-25-2008, 11:49 AM
This whole thing is really weird. I just don't understand why the mods would whisper? If they really thought the question needed to be cleared up, wouldn't they just come out and say it?

yongrel
01-25-2008, 11:49 AM
He was not fed the answers. Most likely, it was someone who either a) didn't know their mic was on, or b) someone whispering to someone else who had a mic on.

I expect it was the guy from the local newspaper who was in the audience, or someone next to him.

It's like watching Jeopardy. Even when you're not asked the question, a lot of people like to answer out loud to prove that they know it. It was probably some schmuck who wanted to prove to the people around him that he knew the answer to Tim's "gotcha" question.

tropicangela
01-25-2008, 11:54 AM
I'd like to see another camera angle... that camera has to be on someone who whispered that.

josh24601
01-25-2008, 11:55 AM
This whole thing is really weird. I just don't understand why the mods would whisper? If they really thought the question needed to be cleared up, wouldn't they just come out and say it?

A reasonable question, with a very reasonable answer - they thought they could just quietly remind Russert what the point of his question was without breaking up the flow of the conversation and calling attention to themselves. A reasonable thing to think on the spur of the moment.

Contrast that reasonable answer with what you have to come up with if you don't believe it was harmless, and tell me which one makes the most sense to you.

Some people here bend over backwards in their thinking just to have a conspiracy of the day.

amy31416
01-25-2008, 12:42 PM
This just shows that not all Ron Paul supporters are smart.

Nowhere did I "defend Romney."

This is the exact type of thinking that supposedly freaks you out about Bush so much. If you criticize Iraq, you are "defending terrorists." If you criticize this stupid conspiracy theory, you are "defending Romney." The seeds of fascist thought are already planted in the militant wing of the Ron Paul movement, lovely. Add a dash of unwillingness to see reality (it was a stupid moderator talking / there are no WMDs) and we have a "freedom" movement built on the same thuggish irrationality of the one it wants to replace.

I'm sure all the new Fred Thompson supporters are really impressed.

You stated that the "who let the dogs out video" was fake. Which it obviously isn't.

I'm just curious as to the answers to my other questions, not the red herring about my intelligence or about Bush's fearmongering.

So, one more time:

Why do you defend Romney on this and on the other "gangsta Mitt" video?
Why did MSNBC immediately remove references to it?
Why did Romney edit it out of his YouTube video?

If it was 'no big deal' then why hide it?

By the way, I do agree that it seems crazy that we could suddenly hear his 'feed' but I also watched the video and it seems to me, that if I were to have the question, then hear this whispered part, it would have given me pause. And there's no reaction from Romney whatsoever, making it look like he's used to having things whispered to him.

Either way, the press did not say squat about it and even if he does have a feed, he'll get away with it just like he did the lie about watching daddy march with MLK.

John P Slevin
01-25-2008, 01:11 PM
Russert is such a piece of crap. He should try being a journalist for at least once in his life.

Journalists rarely are given TV shows, and when they do get on, it's usually very early in the am.

newyearsrevolution08
01-25-2008, 01:15 PM
I think this needs to get brought up at a higher level whether wrong or right myself. Nothing like getting publicity as a flip flopping answer feeding liar. His record is shot and this b.s. that does happen can confirm it. If it came from the table then I hope they write a statement on it saying if they did or didn't say it.

To me it sounds like an answer given up to him simply because he looks clueless. I wonder though if an ear piece is even illegal in a debate?

I wouldn't put it passed him at all.



Also, if there was a whisper to reclarify ANYTHING they would say it LOUDLY. Tim is an ass and loves to ask questions that stump people. Look at the meet the press deals and especially when he asked huck the difference between sheites (spelling who knows lol)and and whatever the hell the others are. He asks 50/50 questions to make people look stupid all the time and I doubt he would stop his style during this.

Someone whispered it, why would they edit it out or 100% deny it? all this does is feed the conspiracy theorists mentality or make me seem crazy lol.

Maltheus
01-25-2008, 02:31 PM
OP is right, Romney definitely wasn't being fed here. Russert screwed up, a producer or something stepped in to correct him. Clear as day, considering what was whispered.

Ex Post Facto
01-25-2008, 02:38 PM
I don't know...I've seen an aweful lot of mistakes such as these that they blame on human error. I could care less about where the voice came from. Two things come from this:

1.) Romney won't raise taxes, and will contiune the war and spending (This is failure in my mind)

2.) If Romney is being spoon fed answers, he can't run a country.

Either way, I'm voting Ron Paul :p

Hook
01-25-2008, 03:20 PM
TAKING IT TO THE next level...

BRINGS BACK THIS...\\


GEORGE BUSH PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, Oct 9, 2004

exposing how George W. Bush had worn an electronic cueing device in his ear and probably cheated during the presidential debates. Photos depicting the bulge and speculating on just what it might be (a medical device, a radio receiver?) began circulating widely around the Internet, and several special blog sites were established to discuss them. The suspicion that Bush had been getting cues or answers in his ear was bolstered by his strange behavior in that first debate, which included several uncomfortably long pauses before and during his answers. On one occasion, he burst out angrily with "Now let me finish!" at a time when nobody was interrupting him and his warning light was not flashing. Images of visibly bulging backs from earlier Bush appearances began circulating, along with reports of prior incidents that suggested Bush might have been receiving hidden cues/whispers. i'M sure the device have been miniaturized even more.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/mzcmdr/BigDebateBulge.jpg

Obviously a bra-strap. Duh! :D

RonPaulNYC
01-25-2008, 03:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q323Km0exZw

1.29 "I do not believe we need new legislation" then you hear a voice say 'support', he changes it to "i do not support new legislation".

How ridiculous is this.

Does this remind anyone else of the "Manchurian Canidate"???????

colecrowe
01-25-2008, 03:40 PM
Russert is known for Gotcha questions. Unless there's evidence to the contrary, this seems like it was fed to Romney and not to Russert. His 2nd part was going to be the Gotcha part if Romney said he agreed with Reagan. Remember the Gotcha on McCain's Meet the Press interview?

QFT

lasenorita
01-25-2008, 03:47 PM
I do hear a faint 'support', but keep in mind that Romney said the same word several times in the sentences preceding it. The mic could have picked up one of the moderators or someone nearby who was simply repeating what Romney may have said a few seconds ago... Or maybe there's a weird echo of some sort. \(O.o)?

But, yeah, that is pretty creepy when coupled with the mysterious 'raise taxes' clip.

painter4Ron Paul
01-25-2008, 03:47 PM
It was God.

gracebkr
01-25-2008, 03:49 PM
when was this discovered?

tropicangela
01-25-2008, 03:51 PM
How many people there are talking and not listening intently to the candidate speak? I'd think that when they are talking, all eyes are on them and everyone is very quiet hanging on their words.

huntx7
01-25-2008, 03:53 PM
Nice find. I definitely think he's getting fed answers because this didn't happen with any other candidates and it happened atleast twice.

Austin
01-25-2008, 03:53 PM
Funny, Romney was fed another clue in his answer to Huckabee. Look at the other thread.

josh24601
01-25-2008, 03:59 PM
You stated that the "who let the dogs out video" was fake. Which it obviously isn't.

I'm just curious as to the answers to my other questions, not the red herring about my intelligence or about Bush's fearmongering.

So, one more time:

Why do you defend Romney on this and on the other "gangsta Mitt" video?
Why did MSNBC immediately remove references to it?
Why did Romney edit it out of his YouTube video?

If it was 'no big deal' then why hide it?

By the way, I do agree that it seems crazy that we could suddenly hear his 'feed' but I also watched the video and it seems to me, that if I were to have the question, then hear this whispered part, it would have given me pause. And there's no reaction from Romney whatsoever, making it look like he's used to having things whispered to him.

Either way, the press did not say squat about it and even if he does have a feed, he'll get away with it just like he did the lie about watching daddy march with MLK.

You're confusing me with somebody else. I have no idea what dog video you are talking about. Still don't understand why you think pointing out what has become obvious about this whisper is defending Mitt Romney. "Gangsta Mitt" doesn't mean anything to me... you are thinking of somebody else. EDIT - oh haha I remember that one now. Man you people are so gullible.....

MSNBC removed references to it because they realized it was their screwup. It made them look amateurish, like they couldn't get their questions straight. What are you saying, MSNBC was sending Mitt Romney answers? Or that somebody outside MSNBC was, but MSNBC wants to help Mitt Romney hide it? Do you even think about what you are saying? What do MSNBC and Mitt Romney have to do with one another?

I don't know what you mean about Mitt Romney editing some youtube video. It seems like a stupid thing to try to do considering there are 100 other youtube videos with it there. You are probably referring to some video a Romney supporter made.

Either way, you have to ask yourself why MSNBC and Mitt Romney of all people are in some debate radio frequency alliance, and, um.... why do I even bother....

Nobody has still bothered to explain why, if suddenly the volume in Mitt Romney's ear radio transmitter device thing was turned up so loudly that the microphones picked it up, he didn't even flinch a muscle in his face.... considering it would have been loud enough to make his ears bleed.

The lack of thought that has gone into some of these posts makes me sad.

Goldwater Conservative
01-25-2008, 04:07 PM
When coupled with the "he raised taxes" whisper, and considering both came a split-second before Romney used the exact same words, it is unlikely that this was another candidate or one of the moderators, and in any case is definitely bizarre.

josh24601
01-25-2008, 04:13 PM
Uh oh here comes the Warren Commission with the lone gunman theory. MSNBC chimes in:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/25/609835.aspx

G-Wohl
01-25-2008, 04:19 PM
I think we have all the proof we need that Romney had an earpiece in with somebody helping him during the debates. We should contact all of the media that we know and inform them of this!

Ryokucha
01-25-2008, 04:24 PM
I took my copy and listened to it, I heard it on a single pass while hes talking something faint.

When you take the "Whisper" part out on this one and play it back to back. It turns in to more of a bang.

I am guessing this is just reverberation of something being hit on stage.

Maybe I am wrong, but this is what I hear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_O3RPBQsgM

newyearsrevolution08
01-25-2008, 04:31 PM
I think these two should be blasted to the msm anyones. wrong or right it can still create bad publicity for the guy. I am not going to assume he is cheating if in fact it is illegal to have an earpiece BUT I think Americans might have an issue with someone who is being fed answers and does not actually stand for anything himself.

Get this stuff sent to the main rp campaign and who knows where it might end up after that lol.

Harry96
01-25-2008, 04:32 PM
That makes sense. If it was, it wasn't that Russert didn't know what the question was about; it was that he didn't make it clear to everyone, so someone -- probably Williams -- chimed in as a split-second decision to try to get him to finish the question, and it was picked up and came across badly on live TV.

If Romney had someone feeding him lines:

A. We probably would've been able to see his earpiece.

B. I know nothing about TV production, but why would something being fed to Romney by a staffer, with no involvement from MSNBC, go out over the air? (I guess you could argue that MSNBC was involved and was feeding lines to everyone but Paul, but I highly doubt that and would have to see some hard proof.)

Goldwater Conservative
01-25-2008, 04:37 PM
I'm not even gonna bother asking you all how a device in his ear could say anything loud enough to be heard on the microphones to the point of being broadcast on television without the man so much as flinching. Because I know little problems in logic like this are no match for your conspiracies.

Yeah, that's why I don't believe it was an ear-piece either. Frankly, I don't know what it was, but it doesn't sound like most people there and followed the question too closely to be one of the moderators. Why would one of the candidates say anything that could be construed as negative about Reagan?

Mesogen
01-25-2008, 04:37 PM
Why would Russert need to be told "He raised taxes"?

Wouldn't 'help' for Russert come as "Don't forget the rest of the question."

ForLiberty-RonPaul
01-25-2008, 04:40 PM
If you can find one post from a person who joined this forum before January 2008 with more than three hundred posts to their name who doesn't think Willard Mitt Romney was fed the answers to the questions I will drop the arguement. Otherwise, every single post about this being some 'reasonable' explanation are all coming from these people.

agreed

josh24601
01-25-2008, 04:44 PM
agreed

Harry96 a few posts up June 2007.

Not that this kind of criteria means a freakin thing.... Truth doesn't change based on when people join internet forums.

And in case anybody missed it MSNBRomney is addressing the Whisper Heard Round The World:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/25/609835.aspx

EDIT lol awesome comment from somebody on the MSNBC page:

"I think we're hearing McCain next to him. I think he goes around saying "raise taxes" all the time. it's like a turrets tick or something"

austinchick
01-25-2008, 04:53 PM
At about 1:28, as he is finishing his sentence, saying...'legistlation', whisper comes saying 'support...', then he says 'I will not support...'
does anyone else hear this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q323Km0exZw

evadmurd
01-25-2008, 04:55 PM
Didn't hear anything odd there.

austinchick
01-25-2008, 04:57 PM
Didn't hear anything odd there.

turn up the volume at around that time...(start from 1:23 through 1:35) and you'll hear someone whispering 'support', and right after that as on cue, Romney says that he won't support ....

gracebkr
01-25-2008, 05:00 PM
I thought a thread was started on this already. It definitely is hearable.

austinchick
01-25-2008, 05:01 PM
I thought a thread was started on this already. It definitely is hearable.

thx

Thanehand
01-25-2008, 05:02 PM
Yes, heard it. It's more faint than the other, but it's definitely there. Someone is feeding CLEARLY feeding him "key phrases" to say for sound bite purposes or something.

You can digg it here:

h ttp://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Second_Mitt_Romney_Whisper_Discovered_support

seapilot
01-25-2008, 05:04 PM
Its definitly another cue. I heard it. Then Romney repeats support like 10 times. Good advisors he has.

Dave Pedersen
01-25-2008, 05:04 PM
naw Romney was talking about this subject of support for many seconds before that. Just some background chatter. Not an assist to his response in my view.

If anybody was whispering in my earpiece while I was onstage trying to formulate a coherent answer he would be fired. It would only serve as a useless distraction.

evadmurd
01-25-2008, 05:05 PM
Caught it that time. I can't be sure what it was though. Any CSIers with audio filtering capabilities out there?

SimpleName
01-25-2008, 05:10 PM
These whispers are really freaking me out. Who knows how simple the real cause of it could be, but it certainly sounds suspicious. That is the second mysterious whisper that gives away what he is just about to say. the first one seemed like maybe russert was whispering about some confusion of the question, but this one is right in the middle of Romney's answer and is exactly what Romney says less than a second later. Conspiracy or coincidence?

Thanehand
01-25-2008, 05:11 PM
After hearing the SECOND "key phrase cue", I disagree whole heartedly. Someone is advising Mitt of how to phrase specific things for sound bite or "pollability" purposes:

h ttp://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Second_Mitt_Romney_Whisper_Discovered_support

BenIsForRon
01-25-2008, 05:12 PM
I heard it, very strange.

Thanehand
01-25-2008, 05:26 PM
Let's get this one viral as well (apologies for the dupe post):

h ttp://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Second_Mitt_Romney_Whisper_Discovered_support

Thanehand
01-25-2008, 05:29 PM
He was not fed the answers. Most likely, it was someone who either a) didn't know their mic was on, or b) someone whispering to someone else who had a mic on.

It's not about getting fed answers - it's about getting fed/reminded to say things a certain way so that when clips are played by the news media later, you sound like you have a certain position that people want to hear.

Words like "not raised taxes" and "I don't support new legislation" (from the second whisper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q323Km0exZw)) are PERFECT buzz phrases in politics. It doesn't matter if he was answering a question or not.

Romney is playing the game to win and this clearly shows that he's not above playing dirty.

Delain
01-25-2008, 05:30 PM
Sorry, I would have *loved* to have had this crazy earpiece mic scandal, but it's pretty clear somebody felt Russert needed to be more clear in the intention of his question.




Sorry, but you have to come up with something better Mitt.

Anna Karenina
01-25-2008, 05:31 PM
Does the Mitt Whisperer's voice sound like Frank Luntz'??;)

austinchick
01-25-2008, 05:32 PM
MITT has a personal RAT whisperer

Delain
01-25-2008, 05:33 PM
Its there. So that settles any doubts about the "he raised taxes" cue.

Mitt = busted!

amy31416
01-25-2008, 05:41 PM
You're confusing me with somebody else. I have no idea what dog video you are talking about. Still don't understand why you think pointing out what has become obvious about this whisper is defending Mitt Romney. "Gangsta Mitt" doesn't mean anything to me... you are thinking of somebody else. EDIT - oh haha I remember that one now. Man you people are so gullible.....

MSNBC removed references to it because they realized it was their screwup. It made them look amateurish, like they couldn't get their questions straight. What are you saying, MSNBC was sending Mitt Romney answers? Or that somebody outside MSNBC was, but MSNBC wants to help Mitt Romney hide it? Do you even think about what you are saying? What do MSNBC and Mitt Romney have to do with one another?

I don't know what you mean about Mitt Romney editing some youtube video. It seems like a stupid thing to try to do considering there are 100 other youtube videos with it there. You are probably referring to some video a Romney supporter made.

Either way, you have to ask yourself why MSNBC and Mitt Romney of all people are in some debate radio frequency alliance, and, um.... why do I even bother....

Nobody has still bothered to explain why, if suddenly the volume in Mitt Romney's ear radio transmitter device thing was turned up so loudly that the microphones picked it up, he didn't even flinch a muscle in his face.... considering it would have been loud enough to make his ears bleed.

The lack of thought that has gone into some of these posts makes me sad.

Gullible how? That was a real video taken of Romney, pandering to black voters. It was discussed on CNN. I was embarrassed for him watching it.

The video was from Mitt Romney's official YouTube channel, and yeah, I do agree that it was a stupid thing to do. It makes it look like he's hiding something. The MSNBC explanation I can buy, but I still think that covering up a mistake makes it worse than it seems.

Speaking of which, I never said it necessarily came from his earpiece. I don't know where it came from--didn't happen for any of the other candidates as far as I could tell.

Speaking of a lack of thought, continually attempting to insult another person's intelligence is a very, very poor way to argue a point. Have you ever taken a debate class? You may want to consider it to get your point across more effectively.

jacross
01-25-2008, 06:01 PM
Don't you see, that's just what they want you to believe. The MSM is in bed with the CFR New World Order Jew coalition. You have all fallen for their brainwashing on this.

What we need to do is get everyone to call up their complaint line so that we annoy all their lowly paid receptionists and make everyone think we are morons/lunatics.

Then we do that to all the other channels and random companies that will be picked out of a hat.

josh24601
01-25-2008, 06:27 PM
Gullible how? That was a real video taken of Romney, pandering to black voters. It was discussed on CNN. I was embarrassed for him watching it.

The video was from Mitt Romney's official YouTube channel, and yeah, I do agree that it was a stupid thing to do. It makes it look like he's hiding something. The MSNBC explanation I can buy, but I still think that covering up a mistake makes it worse than it seems.

Speaking of which, I never said it necessarily came from his earpiece. I don't know where it came from--didn't happen for any of the other candidates as far as I could tell.

Speaking of a lack of thought, continually attempting to insult another person's intelligence is a very, very poor way to argue a point. Have you ever taken a debate class? You may want to consider it to get your point across more effectively.

This isn't the thread for that bling video (I am freaking amazed that it was actually true... anybody who thinks I'm a Mitt lover needs to realize I couldn't believe anybody could be so out of touch to say this stuff but I guess he did ...http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/21/who-let-mitt-romney-out/) It's for people who are calling me crap because I'm pointing out the obvious - there is no conspiracy here. The Paulbots are becoming just as bad as Bushbots ever were.

To think there is some evil conspiracy of debate rigging involving God knows who simply because of this one little thing displays, if not a lack of intellect, a lack of critical thought or at best, a desire to find conspiracies to such a degree that you have to come up with plainly idiotic explanations.

I'm not trying to win any formal debate, so the rules of formal debates don't bother me. Anybody who thinks that the clear answer here (and there are many of them in this thread) is that there is some MSNBC/Mitt Romney/dark evil forces conspiracy (they are even posting new threads about other voices they are hearing in video clips) is either not a smart person, or is a smart person with a very very intense need to believe in conspiracies.

You are right, I think it is more the latter that populate this forum than the former.

You couple that with OMG DIEBOLDZ COCUS RIGGGING OMG after every state's primary that Ron Paul doesn't get 87% of the vote.... it gets old.

Thanehand
01-25-2008, 06:34 PM
This is the second instance of what appears to be a whisper of the word "support" to Mitt Romney during the debates, presented in context and then isolated.

If he didn't immediately rephrase the statement he had just made before the whisper, I wouldn't think much of it, but here it is anyway:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zK408oqEyOU

FreedomAndLaw
01-25-2008, 06:36 PM
It was an amplifier - http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZF8jej3j5vA

polexi
01-25-2008, 06:41 PM
Hmmmmm

Acidlump
01-25-2008, 06:44 PM
I heard it

Thanehand
01-25-2008, 06:48 PM
I heard it

lol - that reminded me of "I felt it!" beeper commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grKO6cGeJFo). And weird... Depeche Mode's "I fell you" just started playing in my mp3 player :D Something is awry in the universe or something.

nosebruise
01-25-2008, 06:49 PM
haha "i fell you?" must be some kind of b-side.

Trigonx
01-25-2008, 06:50 PM
the way he rephrases his answer after we catch the soft spoken "support" is kinda strange.

Thanehand
01-25-2008, 06:51 PM
haha "i fell you?" must be some kind of b-side.

WHOOPS! lmao

Trigonx
01-25-2008, 07:01 PM
I'm just gonna put this out there. After watching all these debates these past 8 months now why is it only today the first time we have heard whispers like this, obviously something was different at this debate to make us act this DIFFERENT after the debate. It could have been anyone, but why hasn't anyone ever done this before tonights debate? Mitt was given a shit load of time, the talking heads all praised him afterwards, and he was made out to be the star of the debate.

specsaregood
01-25-2008, 07:07 PM
NICE find!

Thanehand
01-25-2008, 07:09 PM
Isolated version here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=zK408oqEyOU

FTL
01-25-2008, 07:19 PM
This makes Romney look even more fake than he already is.

Fake, Plastic, Trained Monkey Wearing A Suit

Dave Wood
01-25-2008, 07:25 PM
Mitt is the Manchurian candidate.............I knew it! hahahaha just kidding. That is very weird though.

DFF
01-25-2008, 07:40 PM
He probably was wearing an electronic device similar to the one Bush wore during an 04' debate.

http://images.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/29/bulge/story.jpg

source:http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/10/29/bulge/

Fields
01-25-2008, 07:40 PM
After reviewing the tapes, NBC determined that an open mic picked up a whisper from the audience. It is unclear who it is that says it, but it was not said by any of the candidates, was not heard in the hall and, more importantly, not heard by the candidates.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/25/609835.aspx

Dave Wood
01-25-2008, 07:44 PM
I call B.S. there is a second one that has surfaced now. Bullsh**

jake
01-25-2008, 07:44 PM
Mitt must have heard it..

Fields
01-25-2008, 07:45 PM
The quickness with which Mitt responded is quite weird.

constitutional
01-25-2008, 07:47 PM
I'm don't trust MSNBC as much, they also gave mitt most time to talk.

UtahApocalypse
01-25-2008, 07:48 PM
Yay!! Lets give everyone more fire to call our campaign Conspiracy Theorists and Kooks!!!

leglock
01-25-2008, 07:50 PM
The quickness with which Mitt responded is quite weird.

You didn't know Reagan raised taxes?

:confused:

BillyFromPhilly
01-25-2008, 07:52 PM
cough*bullshit*cough

Fields
01-25-2008, 07:55 PM
This is getting weird. If someone was feeding him answers I gotta imagine he's dead in the water.

AlbemarleNC0003
01-25-2008, 07:55 PM
You didn't know Reagan raised taxes?

:confused:

I don't think many of the candidates know Reagan's actual stances. If they did, they would be out of Iraq on the first day in office. It's pretty clear that only one of them knows Reagan's past and political beliefs. He rarely brings it up though.

Bruce4Ron
01-25-2008, 08:10 PM
I heard "support" but I'm unsure how this gets fed into the system that we hear on TV or record on DVR.

If it was a private earpiece he has, why do all of us hear it?

Bruce4Ron
01-25-2008, 08:14 PM
I'm sorry but that is total BS.

Their mic's are SO sensitive that they picked up a whisper from someone in the audience sitting 10-15 FEET behind the moderators !?!?!?!

How stupid do they think people are? Mitt Romney was SPOON FED!

fearthereaperx
01-25-2008, 08:16 PM
"It is unclear who it is that says it, but it was not said by any of the candidates"

NBC just reaffirms more credible evidence that Romney is being coached..they just theorize its from an audience member. could be true...and this same person could be his advisor as well.

ArrestPoliticians
01-25-2008, 08:16 PM
Yay!! Lets give everyone more fire to call our campaign Conspiracy Theorists and Kooks!!!

YAY, POLITICS AS USUAL!!!

amy31416
01-25-2008, 08:22 PM
This isn't the thread for that bling video (I am freaking amazed that it was actually true... anybody who thinks I'm a Mitt lover needs to realize I couldn't believe anybody could be so out of touch to say this stuff but I guess he did ...http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/21/who-let-mitt-romney-out/) It's for people who are calling me crap because I'm pointing out the obvious - there is no conspiracy here. The Paulbots are becoming just as bad as Bushbots ever were.

To think there is some evil conspiracy of debate rigging involving God knows who simply because of this one little thing displays, if not a lack of intellect, a lack of critical thought or at best, a desire to find conspiracies to such a degree that you have to come up with plainly idiotic explanations.

I'm not trying to win any formal debate, so the rules of formal debates don't bother me. Anybody who thinks that the clear answer here (and there are many of them in this thread) is that there is some MSNBC/Mitt Romney/dark evil forces conspiracy (they are even posting new threads about other voices they are hearing in video clips) is either not a smart person, or is a smart person with a very very intense need to believe in conspiracies.

You are right, I think it is more the latter that populate this forum than the former.

You couple that with OMG DIEBOLDZ COCUS RIGGGING OMG after every state's primary that Ron Paul doesn't get 87% of the vote.... it gets old.

So you admit to being gullible in *not* believing something so outrageous could be true?

I'll give myself the "touche" on that one, since I doubt you will. ;)

If you must know, the notion that there could be some credence to the hypothesis doesn't come from my lack of critical thinking, nor does it come from being a conspiracy theorist (I'm absolutely not), nor do I come up with plainly idiotic suggestions-I didn't come up with this one, but I always look for more information and ask questions. Which is the thing that brought me around to Ron Paul, see. I'm a borderline obsessive-compulsive researcher. Some of the things that seem to be simple 'conspiracies' and easily brushed off, often have some credence to them. And I'm not talking about 9/11 or that sort of BS, I'm talking about the National ID, the slippery slope of the Patriot Act, manipulations of our economy, etc.

Not answering questions, implying I'm stupid for asking them is a ridiculous way to try to deal with anyone like myself. I'll only ask more questions and research it more. So, if Romney is being coached, I'd like to know and was interested in finding out, not concluding first that he was, and screaming it over the 'net.

With this issue, I'm honestly not even that interested in it because it will have zero negative affect on Romney and will not be covered, true or not. It was simply you avoiding the original questions and implying that I'm an idiot. My thought was not that you are a troll, but that you needed some help in communicating and reading comprehension.

Swmorgan77
01-25-2008, 08:23 PM
Hmmm so both of the "whispers" happen to be during Romney answers and immediately precede him mentioning the subject that the whisper is about....

Chadd Murray
01-25-2008, 08:25 PM
It sounds like paper being shuffled imo. It's a moderator or candidate looking through their notes.

Chadd Murray
01-25-2008, 08:29 PM
It sounds like paper being shuffled imo. It's a moderator or candidate looking through their notes.

People hear all sorts of sounds when they go over video, that's why 'paranormal investigators' who listen to 'white noise' can sometimes hear voices etc. The human brain is trained to hear familiar patterns.

On top of that we have the bias that before you click the link it tells you that there's a whisper feeding him an answer... I think you guys are getting worked up over nothing.

BeFranklin
01-25-2008, 08:46 PM
Someones telling him what to say in an earpiece?

Little CIA guy.

reaver
01-25-2008, 08:52 PM
If you can find one post from a person who joined this forum before January 2008 with more than three hundred posts to their name who doesn't think Willard Mitt Romney was fed the answers to the questions I will drop the arguement. Otherwise, every single post about this being some 'reasonable' explanation are all coming from these people.

It was for Russert.

Paulite
01-25-2008, 08:56 PM
It was for Russert.

kid yourself all you want. the reality is another

Molly1
01-25-2008, 08:56 PM
That is very strange. Somebody whispering 'not support.' I do not support any new legislation.

Why would you need help making such a simple statement? And who would know better than you how to respond to such a simple question?

I don't know what to make of it.

austinchick
01-25-2008, 08:57 PM
This isn't the thread for that bling video (I am freaking amazed that it was actually true... anybody who thinks I'm a Mitt lover needs to realize I couldn't believe anybody could be so out of touch to say this stuff but I guess he did ...http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/21/who-let-mitt-romney-out/) It's for people who are calling me crap because I'm pointing out the obvious - there is no conspiracy here. The Paulbots are becoming just as bad as Bushbots ever were.

To think there is some evil conspiracy of debate rigging involving God knows who simply because of this one little thing displays, if not a lack of intellect, a lack of critical thought or at best, a desire to find conspiracies to such a degree that you have to come up with plainly idiotic explanations.

I'm not trying to win any formal debate, so the rules of formal debates don't bother me. Anybody who thinks that the clear answer here (and there are many of them in this thread) is that there is some MSNBC/Mitt Romney/dark evil forces conspiracy (they are even posting new threads about other voices they are hearing in video clips) is either not a smart person, or is a smart person with a very very intense need to believe in conspiracies.

You are right, I think it is more the latter that populate this forum than the former.

You couple that with OMG DIEBOLDZ COCUS RIGGGING OMG after every state's primary that Ron Paul doesn't get 87% of the vote.... it gets old.


explain a second clip with whisper #2

Chadd Murray
01-25-2008, 08:58 PM
That is very strange. Somebody whispering 'not support.' I do not support any new legislation.

Why would you need help making such a simple statement? And who would know better than you how to respond to such a simple question?

I don't know what to make of it.
It makes a kind of 'shhht' sound, but it's clearly (imho) just paper being shuffled...

aspiringconstitutionalist
01-25-2008, 08:59 PM
It's your ears playing tricks on you.

There is a significantly delayed echo after everything he says, and the one after "I do not believe we need new legislation" and the echo of "-slation" sounds a little bit like "support," mostly because you're trying to hear it.

It's the same principle as hearing those hidden messages when you play records backward.

Chadd Murray
01-25-2008, 09:01 PM
Nah I don't think it's an echo... just paper being rifled through, makes a shht sound, you hear the exact same thing a fair bit if you watch CSPAN lol.

Molly1
01-25-2008, 09:02 PM
It makes a kind of 'shhht' sound, but it's clearly (imho) just paper being shuffled...

I have bose earphones.:D

First he says, "I do not believe we need new legislation"

This is a wishy washy statement, not strong, not sending a strong message.

He follows this with a very strong statement.

"I do not support any new legislation."

So I can see why you might want him to make the second statement, to hit it out of the park.

But, who knows.

An even stronger statement would be, "I will not support any new legislation."

Chadd Murray
01-25-2008, 09:10 PM
Yea but politicians when they speak often repeat themselves/clarify to hammer home ideas.

As for bose earphones, it's not the gear, it's the person listening... there's a whole heap of possible biases/mindgames which could lead someone to thinking it's a word. In this case though I think merely reminding people of that paper shuffling sound should be enough to make them see through it.

dannno
01-25-2008, 09:13 PM
I'm just gonna put this out there. After watching all these debates these past 8 months now why is it only today the first time we have heard whispers like this, obviously something was different at this debate to make us act this DIFFERENT after the debate. It could have been anyone, but why hasn't anyone ever done this before tonights debate? Mitt was given a shit load of time, the talking heads all praised him afterwards, and he was made out to be the star of the debate.

This debate is more important. It's closer to election time.

Goldwater Conservative
01-25-2008, 09:15 PM
What I find most interesting about NBC's explanations is that they're reporting the whisper as saying "raise taxes" or "not raise taxes" when to me it sounded fairly clear, even when I first heard it live, that it said "HE raiseD taxes." That is, whoever said it was talking about Reagan and what he did in the past tense. Am I alone in thinking this?

Drknows
01-25-2008, 09:23 PM
does anyone have some good audio software?

The mics at the MSNBC debate were loud and crisp. I bet if you turn the decibels all the way up and filter out the excess noise you could hear more faint whispers.

I have a feeling.

shaggy240v
01-25-2008, 09:26 PM
I'm not a backward masking or hidden messages kind of person but... if you listen closely,,, and maybe because the word support has been thrown out there quite a bit on this thread... I am hearing a whisper in there! And it does sound like the word support. I've went into this objectionably and listened for papers and I just don't here the papers.

Just my opinion...

RON PAUL RULES!!!!

shaggy240v
01-25-2008, 09:30 PM
actually... after listening to it again... I think it was the moderator whispering something to someone while trying to hold his hand over the mic.

josh24601
01-25-2008, 09:30 PM
So you admit to being gullible in *not* believing something so outrageous could be true?

I'll give myself the "touche" on that one, since I doubt you will. ;)


Being skeptical and being gullible are the opposite, not the same.



If you must know, the notion that there could be some credence to the hypothesis doesn't come from my lack of critical thinking, nor does it come from being a conspiracy theorist (I'm absolutely not), nor do I come up with plainly idiotic suggestions-I didn't come up with this one, but I always look for more information and ask questions. Which is the thing that brought me around to Ron Paul, see. I'm a borderline obsessive-compulsive researcher. Some of the things that seem to be simple 'conspiracies' and easily brushed off, often have some credence to them. And I'm not talking about 9/11 or that sort of BS, I'm talking about the National ID, the slippery slope of the Patriot Act, manipulations of our economy, etc.

Not answering questions, implying I'm stupid for asking them is a ridiculous way to try to deal with anyone like myself. I'll only ask more questions and research it more. So, if Romney is being coached, I'd like to know and was interested in finding out, not concluding first that he was, and screaming it over the 'net.

With this issue, I'm honestly not even that interested in it because it will have zero negative affect on Romney and will not be covered, true or not. It was simply you avoiding the original questions and implying that I'm an idiot. My thought was not that you are a troll, but that you needed some help in communicating and reading comprehension.

Saying "what was that whisper all about? Let's investigate and find out" is much, much different than saying "Romney was being fed answers, look here's proof!" So, don't position yourself as being mildly quizzical, go back and read the thread, you are challenging my assertion that the easiest and simplest answer is also the likely correct one (Occam's Razor, in other words). I'm also curious who said it and why, but I can tell you what's stupid to think: that it was somebody telling Mitt Romney what to say throughout the debate (that nobody else standing mere feet from him happened to notice, including our own Dr. Ron Paul, by the way).

And just because it's fun, let's see how you first addressed my statement:



Why are you defending Romney against this and that "who let the dogs out" video?

Why did MSNBC post something about it then immediately get rid of it with no explanation?

Why did Romney edit it out from his YouTube video?

I had to remind you I'm not "defending" anybody, I'm saying that this whisper is not part of a secret plan to give Mitt Romney answers in his debates. I don't think you learned that type of rhetoric in debate class either. We now understand why MSNBC deleted it, so I don't have to answer that question for you. And we agree that any youtube video that edits it out is pointless, and I further question if "Romney" edited anything from a youtube video, but if I had to answer, it would be because it flows better without, but it's clearly complete folly to say he would edit any video to suppress truth when there are a billion of the same clips right next to it unedited.

I will say I should not have been so hard on you specifically, my disdain is for the ones who are freaking out with their hair on fire because they're convinced they have found a new Bilderberger conspiracy. It makes the whole campaign look idiotic because........ it's idiotic. Being inquisitive and skeptical is good, seeing patterns and conspiracies where they simply do not exist is foolish.

Having said all of this, how awesome if I'm completely wrong and there's a massive scandal tomorrow?

josh24601
01-25-2008, 09:31 PM
explain a second clip with whisper #2

Sure. You're hearing things because you want to.

That was easy.

mattwalter
01-25-2008, 09:37 PM
http://digg.com/politics/Mitt_Romney_Caught_on_Video_Receiving_Whispered_De bate_Cues

Comment away.

Yes! This is debate related.


I am sorry. I know I am new to the Ron Paul forums, but this seems to be not about Ron Paul at all. I thought the point was that he is different.

Why would we be stooping to such tactics as all the other candidates? This just seems totally wrong.

1913_to_2008
01-25-2008, 09:37 PM
//

gracebkr
01-25-2008, 09:41 PM
So, what is Romney's explanation?

Tdcci
01-25-2008, 09:44 PM
Would tinyurl help?

no, because then the http "referer" would all come from tinyurl. Turn referer tracking off in your browser, very few websites make good use of it, most use it to invade your privacy. Install RefControl (http://www.stardrifter.org/refcontrol/) if you use Firefox, Press 12 and uncheck "Enable referrer logging" if you use Opera.

gracebkr
01-25-2008, 09:45 PM
you are probably right.

RSLudlum
01-25-2008, 09:53 PM
That's utter BS that it came from the audience! It was definitely a whisper into or in very close proximity to a mic. you could hear the softness (ie breath) of the voice and a little bit of sibilance,, also if it was from the audience you would probably be able to notice somewhat of a room effect in the audio that would suggest a far distance in the voice/source. Also, unless they were using shotgun mics (which they definitely wouldn't be :D ) the words wouldn't be so distinguishable.

Also it seems like the master engineer/mixboard operator was having problems with cutting some mic channels/busses when going to break. Hence Russert's "did you see that"/"I don't believe it" remarks bleed before the break.


Now don't take what i stated up there without a grain of salt, i tinkered in audio prod in my youth and may be a little rusty ;)

PaultheSaint
01-25-2008, 09:55 PM
oh, ok then...thanks for clearing that up lmao

austinchick
01-25-2008, 09:57 PM
Mitt is desperate to sent people like you here?

monkeymynd
01-25-2008, 10:01 PM
I did check this on my dvr, and this video is not altered. Seems strange that the 'open mic' picked up twice for Romney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6UBAjsqlPY

Just noticed another thread was already started about this...please go here to continue discussion: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=101411

Drknows
01-25-2008, 10:02 PM
MSNBCs way of saying "nothing to see here guys move along....."

Its so obvious they were practically pushing Mitt all year long. They gave him the most time, They worshiped him on all the pundit programs. just like Fox News did with Mccain.


I would love the for someone to add up the total amount of air time per candidate all year long. Fox News vs MSNBC.

RonPaulNYC
01-25-2008, 10:03 PM
I noticed it about 4pm Eastern time.

How weird is this getting?? Just like the other one. This is a split second before he repearts the exact word. To much of a coincdence...

Imagine if the media actually wanted to report this???!!
What has this country become???:(

Thanehand
01-25-2008, 10:03 PM
How do they explain the second whisper?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK408oqEyOU

gracebkr
01-25-2008, 10:04 PM
I'm sorry but that is total BS.

Their mic's are SO sensitive that they picked up a whisper from someone in the audience sitting 10-15 FEET behind the moderators !?!?!?!

How stupid do they think people are? Mitt Romney was SPOON FED!

I know, if they were that good why didn't we hear people yawning the whole night? Or wouldn't we here an "excuse me" from someone going to the bathroom sometime during the debate?

khorbis
01-25-2008, 10:04 PM
Would a free audio program like "Audacity" work? I'm not familiar with the filtering options, but perhaps an audio technician (or enthusiast) might be able to find said "whispers" with enough fiddling.

gracebkr
01-25-2008, 10:05 PM
How do they explain the second whisper?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK408oqEyOU

It was an audience member.:rolleyes:

Chadd Murray
01-25-2008, 10:07 PM
Hahahahhaha this is getting nuts, full blown crazy... I don't want to insult you guys, but I honestly feel this is a huge wild goose chase. You will hear lots of sounds by scouring over audio (the second romney 'whisper' sounds nothing like a whisper), that doesn't point to any sort of nefarius plot at all... Why are you guys so obsessed (I count over 10 threads :|) ?

Chadd Murray
01-25-2008, 10:11 PM
Hahahahhaha this is getting nuts, full blown crazy... I don't want to insult you guys, but I honestly feel this is a huge wild goose chase. You will hear lots of sounds by scouring over audio (the second romney 'whisper' sounds nothing like a whisper), that doesn't point to any sort of nefarius plot at all... Why are you guys so obsessed (I count over 10 threads :|) ?

If you listen to the debate the entire time you often hear little mumblings in the background, papers being shuffled (that's what I think the second romney 'whisper' is, you hear it through the entire little clips and it's loud at just one point) and moderators breathing...

Drknows
01-25-2008, 10:13 PM
Hahahahhaha this is getting nuts, full blown crazy... I don't want to insult you guys, but I honestly feel this is a huge wild goose chase. You will hear lots of sounds by scouring over audio (the second romney 'whisper' sounds nothing like a whisper), that doesn't point to any sort of nefarius plot at all... Why are you guys so obsessed (I count over 10 threads :|) ?

I know its crazy huh? haha but if we can find more we could make MSNBC look like fools.

The black out is real. MSM wants you to forget and obey.

RonPaulNYC
01-25-2008, 10:14 PM
I'm am not a conspiracy theory guy got at all.
I just found both whispers weird. Becuase his exact next word, was what was whispered.

I mean. It's prob an ear piece or something. I don't think aliens were mind controlling him .

It's sad and funny at the same time ..

constitutional
01-25-2008, 10:20 PM
I agree, there was nothing suspicious. But the debate itself was lame, and all MSNBC debates are. No clapping, no attacking each other, no talk time limit enforcement. BOOOORING.

Drknows
01-25-2008, 10:21 PM
Here we have a candidate that has a 30 year record of voting with the constitution, NEVER flipped flop, hes raised more than all the other republican candidates last quarter, hes beat two so called top tier candidates the Main stream media was pushing. Came in second in one state.

Yet they continue to ignore and ridicule him even when there is only 5 candidates left. The only coverage he gets is smear pieces.


The media deserves to be ridiculed. This isn't about Mitt.

RoamZero
01-25-2008, 10:26 PM
If someone has audio expertise I dont think this would be a waste of time, because while one suspicious whisper can be blown off but can two? This is the type of thing that could potentially ruin both the credibility of Romney and MSNBC. Remember Dan-Rather-Gate?

all J's in IL for RP
01-25-2008, 10:36 PM
They clearly don't want to admit their own complicity in the matter. If it's true Romney's handlers are speaking talking points in his ear, that means they have a special room set aside for the candidate with a real time feed provided by the network.

And we all know how eager news organizations are in covering themselves, right?

monkeymynd
01-25-2008, 10:37 PM
Hahahahhaha this is getting nuts, full blown crazy... I don't want to insult you guys, but I honestly feel this is a huge wild goose chase. You will hear lots of sounds by scouring over audio (the second romney 'whisper' sounds nothing like a whisper), that doesn't point to any sort of nefarius plot at all... Why are you guys so obsessed (I count over 10 threads :|) ?

Chadd Murray, All one needs to do is read your posts to see what your agenda is. You are constantly trying to steer people away from investigating the things they question. You are either a troll or something much more reprehensible.

See all of Chadd Murray's posts here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=1400191)

amy31416
01-25-2008, 10:37 PM
Being skeptical and being gullible are the opposite, not the same.

Ahh, so argue semantics and don't admit you were wrong. You are quite apt at trying to change the direction of the discussion when you are not quite right.




Saying "what was that whisper all about? Let's investigate and find out" is much, much different than saying "Romney was being fed answers, look here's proof!" So, don't position yourself as being mildly quizzical, go back and read the thread, you are challenging my assertion that the easiest and simplest answer is also the likely correct one (Occam's Razor, in other words). I'm also curious who said it and why, but I can tell you what's stupid to think: that it was somebody telling Mitt Romney what to say throughout the debate (that nobody else standing mere feet from him happened to notice, including our own Dr. Ron Paul, by the way).

I never said I was mildly quizzical, I'm very quizzical and I want to know the truth. And you guys who were saying that it's Tim Russert being coached just don't make any sense, no more sense than the ones who are saying it came out of an earpiece. And you are not the authority on what is stupid to ponder and what isn't. The simplest answer is not what you were proposing. The simplest answer, in my opinion, is that someone who had a mike accidentally said it out loud hoping that Romney knew it. But I don't leave out the possibility that he was being coached either. He's a very rich and powerful man who has many resources. It would be foolish to think that a flip-flopping, guy who lies about daddy marching with MLK to pander (once again) is an honest guy who plays fair.



And just because it's fun, let's see how you first addressed my statement:

Why are you defending Romney against this and that "who let the dogs out" video?

Why did MSNBC post something about it then immediately get rid of it with no explanation?

Why did Romney edit it out from his YouTube video?

I still don't see the problem with asking those questions. I often look at the source the information is coming from. I asked why MSNBC was giving the appearance of hiding it, and I asked why Romney was giving the appearance of hiding it. All important factors in deciding what was going on with this issue. Not sure why that's fun for you, it took me asking the questions several times to actually get you to answer them.



I had to remind you I'm not "defending" anybody, I'm saying that this whisper is not part of a secret plan to give Mitt Romney answers in his debates. I don't think you learned that type of rhetoric in debate class either. We now understand why MSNBC deleted it, so I don't have to answer that question for you. And we agree that any youtube video that edits it out is pointless, and I further question if "Romney" edited anything from a youtube video, but if I had to answer, it would be because it flows better without, but it's clearly complete folly to say he would edit any video to suppress truth when there are a billion of the same clips right next to it unedited.

What kind of rhetoric are you talking about? I don't think I'm some glib master of language here. And you didn't have to remind me, you simply imply that I'm stupid for asking the questions. I understand what you said about MSNBC deleting it, I also read the official response on why it was deleted. Different explanation than yours I might add. Speculation is a good mental exercise, but you were quite off from their explanation.

And I daresay that your explanation as to why Romney edited it out is also very likely incorrect.



I will say I should not have been so hard on you specifically, my disdain is for the ones who are freaking out with their hair on fire because they're convinced they have found a new Bilderberger conspiracy. It makes the whole campaign look idiotic because........ it's idiotic. Being inquisitive and skeptical is good, seeing patterns and conspiracies where they simply do not exist is foolish.

Listen, I agree that the conspiracy stuff here makes us look really bad. I won't mention specifics, but I actually looked at the 'hot topics' section, because it's like a train wreck and I'm curious. The only concrete good I've ever done with some conspiracy theorists is I've actually demonstrated how it is used against us in reality and got one conspiracist to realize that he has to post that crap on another forum. I'll send you a link to the article on Wonkette to show you precisely how they can use this forum and the 'fringe supporters' against us. I know this doesn't make much sense without links, but I will give you details if you're interested.

I also know, quite certainly, that you will never, ever persuade anyone to 'pipe down and behave' by calling them stupid and blowing off what they believe, only by showing the effects of their actions. If they are a true supporter, they will understand this. If they don't understand it, well, they need help or they aren't really a supporter.



Having said all of this, how awesome if I'm completely wrong and there's a massive scandal tomorrow?

It'd certainly make things interesting.

Okay, this thread is far too long as it is and has all the attention it deserves. On to more productive things?

Chadd Murray
01-25-2008, 10:45 PM
Chadd Murray, All one needs to do is read your posts to see what your agenda is. You are constantly trying to steer people away from investigating the things they question. You are either a troll or something much more reprehensible.

See all of Chadd Murray's posts here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=1400191)
Or maybe I'm a Ron Paul supporter who disagree's with the conclusions people are making regarding events that are completely irrelevant to Ron Paul's platform? Maybe you're a little bit of a paranoid jerk for insinuating otherwise? I stand by my posting record and have even PM'd people when they seem particularly worried that I might not support Ron Paul in some way...

monkeymynd
01-25-2008, 10:55 PM
Or maybe I'm a Ron Paul supporter who disagree's with the conclusions people are making regarding events that are completely irrelevant to Ron Paul's platform? Maybe you're a little bit of a paranoid jerk for insinuating otherwise? I stand by my posting record and have even PM'd people when they seem particularly worried that I might not support Ron Paul in some way...

I could accept that explanation if there was one positive or even informative post from you supporting Ron Paul. 90% of your posts are challenging other people in this forum or negative comments about Ron's chances.

Drknows
01-25-2008, 10:58 PM
no reason to fight each other.

i don't believe in any conspiracies really. i try to keep a open mind I mean if i didn't i think i would be your average fox news viewer but this one seems too obvious. The media has always been slanted and bias.

Is it really that far stretched to believe that they rig these debates? I mean if they want a desired outcome all they have to do is pick a guy toss some softaballs at him then ridicule who they don't like.

Chadd Murray
01-25-2008, 11:00 PM
I could accept that explanation if there was one positive or even informative post from you supporting Ron Paul. 90% of your posts are challenging other people in this forum or negative comments about Ron's

a) Strongly support many of Ron Paul's stances
b) Strongly disagree with many of the pet theories espoused by various people on this forum, which I think is a huge positive. Even if I'm wrong all the time, at least I'm challenging these theories to see if they stand up to some scrutiny, if they do then there's things that need to be done, if they don't then they're a waste of time for supporters to dwell on.
c) As for 'informative' posts, I simply don't have any information... would you like a few more 'WOO RON PAUL' posts from me or something?


Is it really that far stretched to believe that they rig these debates? I mean if they want a desired outcome all they have to do is pick a guy toss some softaballs at him then ridicule who they don't like.

I think it's quite true that they 'rig' the debates, just not in the overt manner that many people on this forum are saying (I happen to subscribe more to something along the lines of socialist accademic Noam Chomsky's analysis of how media control works ;) ) and I see no evidence that they are. The problems with these debates as far as I'm concerned are:

- They're boring and reptitive, and that
- 'Maverick' candidates like Ron Paul don't get as much time to air their views, which is important imo because he is a real opposition to what the others are saying.

AlbemarleNC0003
01-25-2008, 11:09 PM
I wonder if we could get a new youtube:


whisper: "..love Reagan's cock..."

Romney: "The important thing here, Tim, is that I love Reagan's cock."

josh24601
01-25-2008, 11:14 PM
Mitt is desperate to sent people like you here?

You sure are an astute one. Conspiracies or Mitt supporter, no middle ground eh?

josh24601
01-25-2008, 11:14 PM
Okay, this thread is far too long as it is and has all the attention it deserves. On to more productive things?

Agreed.

Chadd Murray
01-25-2008, 11:20 PM
Good show Josh! Don't let people beat you down for being honest and defending the truth as you see it, even if they're also supporting your candidate :) With someone like you down there, I'm sure we'll have a good run in Los Angeles!

austinchick
01-26-2008, 12:05 AM
as far as we know CHUDD here could be a troll...

Chadd Murray
01-26-2008, 12:09 AM
as far as we know CHUDD here could be a troll...
as far as we know you could be a troll.

austinchick
01-26-2008, 12:15 AM
Mitt owns CLEARCHANNEL

bingo23
01-26-2008, 12:25 AM
ok, we need some audiophiles to break this down. RP forum or McCain forum or whomever...this is BS.

Im no conspiracy guy but someone is definitely whispering to him influencing answers. Maybe its McCain, maybe it's Ron Paul, the moderator or Romney's mother but...it's there.

Seanmc30
01-26-2008, 12:29 AM
Wow, that is blatant....he restated his WHOLE sentence because of that whisper!! Who the hell is doing the whispering? What is this country coming too? Where are my pants?

Chadd Murray
01-26-2008, 12:31 AM
ok, we need some audiophiles to break this down. RP forum or McCain forum or whomever...this is BS.

Im no conspiracy guy but someone is definitely whispering to him influencing answers. Maybe its McCain, maybe it's Ron Paul, the moderator or Romney's mother but...it's there.
Prove to me that it's not paper being riffled, you can't... so why are we going on this goose chase already?

tropicangela
01-26-2008, 12:31 AM
Ok well then they confirmed that it was not Brian Williams... so that's debunked...

VoteForRonPaul
01-26-2008, 12:32 AM
Come on guys, enough of this!

austinchick
01-26-2008, 12:35 AM
check out this video of NEW HAMPSHIRE vote fraud possible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQEQ7qHvgM&eurl

D B Branyers
01-26-2008, 12:38 AM
Fucking WEIRD.

Chadd Murray
01-26-2008, 12:46 AM
check out this video of NEW HAMPSHIRE vote fraud possible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQEQ7qHvgM&eurl
Ok, what am I supposed to take from that austinchick? All I really noted was that a) They never really got an answer as to why there was the change of venue and b) The tape bit at the end was silly because she never fully applied to tape so she'd have to peel the corners or what have you.

austinchick
01-26-2008, 12:51 AM
Ok, what am I supposed to take from that austinchick? All I really noted was that a) They never really got an answer as to why there was the change of venue and b) The tape bit at the end was silly because she never fully applied to tape so she'd have to peel the corners or what have you.

troll-la-la

austinchick
01-26-2008, 12:57 AM
as far as we know you could be a troll.

I bet many would agree that your posts are pretty negative and combative...
reminesque of DIBOLD :p

flames2dust77
01-26-2008, 01:01 AM
i'm a bit tired of it myself. the "whispers" are being blown out of proportion.

Just Come Home
01-26-2008, 01:03 AM
I think he cheated.

But I wouldn't vote for Slick Mitt anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

thegr8drronpaul
01-26-2008, 01:17 AM
does anyone have some good audio software?

The mics at the MSNBC debate were loud and crisp. I bet if you turn the decibels all the way up and filter out the excess noise you could hear more faint whispers.

I have a feeling.

I'm not into all the theories either, but I wouldn't doubt this for a second. There's got to be more. It sure would be funny (and sad) to see, but what would even happen if we did know of more ... unfortunately nothing. There's been so much evidence of foulplay, but nothing happens. I feel I'm lost in a maze and can't find a way out. After ALL that has happenned with this election, I just wonder when we are going to start marching and revolting ... really ...

Chadd Murray
01-26-2008, 01:18 AM
I bet many would agree that your posts are pretty negative and combative...
reminesque of DIBOLD :p
I bet many would agree that I'm just a guy saying it the way he sees it, who is open to other possibilities but also believes argument is the road to truth... While being pestered by you who has nothing more to say than call me a troll.

bingo23
01-26-2008, 01:20 AM
its not just here...everyone who heard the debate wants to know if they are being played. Always question....Always.

newyearsrevolution08
01-26-2008, 01:27 AM
why assume that this must be fake when so many other things that have happened during this presidential campaign. Questioning things does not simply assume people to be conspiracy nuts in the least and so what if there are some of those?

So far most of the presidential conspiracies have some truth to them including keeping ron paul out of poll results in many areas of the news media. Why couldn't it be possible for mittens romney to use an ear piece??? He is a business guy who will do anything including millions of his own dollars to try and secure the presidency. An ear piece and someone helping him out seems like small beans to someone who is spending MILLIONS.

If its fake or not who cares, let themedia get it out there and his supporters start to not trust him. It is getting closer and close to go time and the only two I see lasting is mittens and ron paul so why not get some MORE firewood for mittens to deal with?

Chadd Murray
01-26-2008, 01:35 AM
why assume that this must be fake when so many other things that have happened during this presidential campaign. Questioning things does not simply assume people to be conspiracy nuts in the least and so what if there are some of those?

And how many things that some people on this forum have presumed true have turned out to be wrong? How many believed the 'cell phone' theory regarding poll numbers before Ohio? Why have such a go at me for questioning the many threads/people that are saying X, I'm taking the minority view here...

I'd also say that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, Romney cheating in the debates would be huge, I'm willing to believe it but I need a lot more evidence than a whisper and a few other sound oddities people have found by listening to the debate.



If its fake or not who cares, let themedia get it out there and his supporters start to not trust him. It is getting closer and close to go time and the only two I see lasting is mittens and ron paul so why not get some MORE firewood for mittens to deal with?

I care more about defending debate, truth, honesty more than ron paul's presidency, the MESSAGE is more important to keep alive than even this presidential run imho.

Paulite
01-26-2008, 01:50 AM
in a third world nation people would be burning car wheels in the streets. but we are in AMERIKA and i dont know how deep must the cock be in your ass before realizing you are getting fucked in the mind.

Chadd Murray
01-26-2008, 01:52 AM
in a third world nation people would be burning car wheels in the streets. but we are in AMERIKA and i dont know how deep must the cock be in your ass before realizing you are getting fucked in the mind.
Hey that's nice man... So you think my honest, intellectual disagreement with you is a sign that I'm some 'sheep' ?

BenIsForRon
01-26-2008, 01:53 AM
I totally think this needs to be investigated. We may be paranoid but we have good reason to be.

Chadd Murray
01-26-2008, 01:54 AM
I totally think this needs to be investigated. We may be paranoid but we have good reason to be.
How do you suggest this be investigated? More videos that show more audio apparitions?

newyearsrevolution08
01-26-2008, 02:01 AM
or spend more time donating to the main campaign and finding others to do the same????

sounds good to me as well. let the media spin it however they want and that is my point.

BenIsForRon
01-26-2008, 02:04 AM
How do you suggest this be investigated? More videos that show more audio apparitions?

Good question, I hope somebody with the means who cares enough about our democracy launches some kind of investigation to at least review audio from the rest of the debate or something.

fmontez
01-26-2008, 02:08 AM
why assume that this must be fake when so many other things that have happened during this presidential campaign. Questioning things does not simply assume people to be conspiracy nuts in the least and so what if there are some of those?

So far most of the presidential conspiracies have some truth to them including keeping ron paul out of poll results in many areas of the news media. Why couldn't it be possible for mittens romney to use an ear piece??? He is a business guy who will do anything including millions of his own dollars to try and secure the presidency. An ear piece and someone helping him out seems like small beans to someone who is spending MILLIONS.

If its fake or not who cares, let themedia get it out there and his supporters start to not trust him. It is getting closer and close to go time and the only two I see lasting is mittens and ron paul so why not get some MORE firewood for mittens to deal with?


The boy who cried wolf.

AFTFNJ
01-26-2008, 03:33 AM
Mitt is an empty suit...he does not know his fav POTUS raised taxes...damm cfr puppets get outta here.

patrickdsg
01-26-2008, 03:54 AM
Weird.

RonPaulNYC
01-26-2008, 03:56 AM
I am one of the first people to post the second of the whispers on the forum today.
I didn't go looking for other whispers, i just noticed it. I'm not saying it was mind control at work, not saying i'm a conspiricy guy....

Just saying it's kinda obvious that he was being tipped off on answers, maybe an ear piece, but who cares......

We have known for 8 months now, that we are getting f*cked by the media. So any person who says, wait until the media finds out know, it's not gonna happen.

It's just us (the dr ron paulers) who now know the level of sewer that the MSM/america has sunk to.

don't think we will ever get a fair shake. BUT I willl never give up though......

sands
01-26-2008, 03:56 AM
Why are you guys so obsessed (I count over 10 threads :|) ?


Um.......So here you are starting another thread about it.

RonPaulNYC
01-26-2008, 04:00 AM
It's kind of obvious he had an ear piece in.
I mean haven't we gotten f*cked by the media enough yet????

m72mc
01-26-2008, 04:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wfWDOxZkEM

nothing would surprise me at this point

ronpaulblogsdotcom
01-26-2008, 04:57 AM
Ya and going back to the other videos I can hear that too.

What a loser to get fed answers. But that is a tough question. Maybe I am too young to remember.

Wyurm
01-26-2008, 05:04 AM
Ya and going back to the other videos I can hear that too.

What a loser to get fed answers. But that is a tough question. Maybe I am too young to remember.

I don't know. It sounds like he's being mocked by someone rather than being fed answers.

McDermit
01-26-2008, 05:24 AM
Ashlee Simpson gets caught lipsyncing, and it's all you hear about for months. Mittens is fed answers during a debate, and no one will talk about it. Awesome!

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
01-26-2008, 05:25 AM
Hahahahhaha this is getting nuts, full blown crazy... I don't want to insult you guys, but I honestly feel this is a huge wild goose chase. You will hear lots of sounds by scouring over audio (the second romney 'whisper' sounds nothing like a whisper), that doesn't point to any sort of nefarius plot at all... Why are you guys so obsessed (I count over 10 threads :|) ?

If you listen to the debate the entire time you often hear little mumblings in the background, papers being shuffled (that's what I think the second romney 'whisper' is, you hear it through the entire little clips and it's loud at just one point) and moderators breathing...

NBC says it was an audience member. Do you really believe that? Really?

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
01-26-2008, 05:35 AM
I bet many would agree that I'm just a guy saying it the way he sees it, who is open to other possibilities but also believes argument is the road to truth... While being pestered by you who has nothing more to say than call me a troll.

I have something more constuctive for you.

There are people out there looking for bigfoot, people out there looking for ghosts, and people out there listening for alien transmissions, like SETI. Are you trying to stop them? Why not?

What exactly bothers you about investigating a theory?

Personally, I like to let people go gather their evidence and then present it to me if they think they've found something. We all heard the whisper, and it's obvious to me that Romney heard it. NBC says it was an audience member, that nobody heard it, and I don't believe either.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
01-26-2008, 05:42 AM
I heard it, but I'm not convinced he had time to take in that information and reformulate his answer. He could be a real pro at this for all we know, though.


edit - I'm talking about the 2nd whisper in this particular post. Romney definitely reacted to the "raise taxes" whisper.

wildflower
01-26-2008, 05:56 AM
Hey you guys. If anyone you encounter doesn't believe that it was on the live broadcast, here's some proof...

At FR, they had a live thread going commenting on the debate. Someone heard it on the live broadcast after it happened and asked about it:

(I'm breaking the link)

h ttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1959178/posts?page=1712#1712

(post #1712, 1,722, 1723, etc)

Chadd Murray
01-26-2008, 06:12 AM
I have something more constuctive for you.

There are people out there looking for bigfoot, people out there looking for ghosts, and people out there listening for alien transmissions, like SETI. Are you trying to stop them? Why not?

What exactly bothers you about investigating a theory?

Personally, I like to let people go gather their evidence and then present it to me if they think they've found something. We all heard the whisper, and it's obvious to me that Romney heard it. NBC says it was an audience member, that nobody heard it, and I don't believe either.

I'm not bothered by their investigation, it's their haste to reach a conclusion based on completely insufficient evidence when it's such an extraordinary claim which should require extraordinary evidence that I am bothered (much like how I would be with bigfoot people claiming bigfoot existed, or ghost people saying ghosts existed, or seti people saying aliens existed).

Chadd Murray
01-26-2008, 06:14 AM
NBC says it was an audience member. Do you really believe that? Really?

It's possible, I'd put it in the category of things that are mundane enough to require less evidence to be true than that Romney was cheating and therefore are more plausible - If you don't like NBC's call then you should have a real big problem with people saying it's Romney being coached.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
01-26-2008, 06:46 AM
It's possible, I'd put it in the category of things that are mundane enough to require less evidence to be true than that Romney was cheating and therefore are more plausible - If you don't like NBC's call then you should have a real big problem with people saying it's Romney being coached.

Audience members don't have access to whisper into a microphone. If an audience member were whispering into a mic, they would have been escorted out prompty. So, their official story makes no sense, and I don't have a problem ruling it out as a real explanation.

They should have went with the "other moderator" explanation.

Chadd Murray
01-26-2008, 07:35 AM
Audience members don't have access to whisper into a microphone. If an audience member were whispering into a mic, they would have been escorted out prompty. So, their official story makes no sense, and I don't have a problem ruling it out as a real explanation.

They should have went with the "other moderator" explanation.

I'm fairly sure they've also stated that they don't really know. However as for the audience being a weird theory, you have to remember that Paul Tash from the St Petersburg Times was seated in the Audience - I find it amazing that all these 'investigators' have gone over these debates but missed this little bit of information,.

My understanding is that no one in the hall without an earpiece heard it anyway, so unless you saw something in Romneys ear, he didn't hear it.

gb13
01-26-2008, 01:46 PM
dugg

brendalittle
01-26-2008, 02:50 PM
This official explanation seems dubious at best but it's important that as RP supporters we maintain balance and sensibility. At least be aware of what the offical excuse is:

Official explanation:
After reviewing the tapes, NBC determined that an open mic picked up a whisper from the audience. It is unclear who it is that says it, but it was not said by any of the candidates, was not heard in the hall and, more importantly, not heard by the candidates.

entire article here: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/25/609835.aspx

Chadd Murray
01-26-2008, 05:40 PM
This official explanation seems dubious at best but it's important that as RP supporters we maintain balance and sensibility. At least be aware of what the offical excuse is:

Official explanation:
After reviewing the tapes, NBC determined that an open mic picked up a whisper from the audience. It is unclear who it is that says it, but it was not said by any of the candidates, was not heard in the hall and, more importantly, not heard by the candidates.

entire article here: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/25/609835.aspx

It's important to note that this isn't such a weird explanation once (as I explained at the top of this page) it becomes clear there WAS an open mic in the audience.

stevedasbach
01-26-2008, 05:55 PM
So where was the sound supposedly coming from?

An earpiece would have either been visible, or so far down in the ear canal that there is no way a lavalier microphone would have picked up the sound. If it was coming from a microspeaker in his collar or something similar, we would have been hearing it all night long, assuming it was loud enough for Romney to hear.

This just doesn't make sense.

cjhowe
01-26-2008, 06:37 PM
So where was the sound supposedly coming from?

An earpiece would have either been visible, or so far down in the ear canal that there is no way a lavalier microphone would have picked up the sound. If it was coming from a microspeaker in his collar or something similar, we would have been hearing it all night long, assuming it was loud enough for Romney to hear.

This just doesn't make sense.

2 options there.
1) crosstalk if the earpiece was wireless and an open mic was wireless.
2) romney's prompter was near an open mic

Chadd Murray
01-26-2008, 10:44 PM
If romney had some sort of wire on him and was getting feeds he's damn good at it.

ladyliberty
01-27-2008, 09:05 AM
it's all concealed under his magic mormon underwear...
:roll:

BenIsForRon
01-27-2008, 02:33 PM
Does anybody know if someone is officially looking into this? I hope somebody like Raw Story goes into further analysis.

leipo
01-28-2008, 01:05 PM
Is this being investigated?

BenIsForRon
01-28-2008, 06:08 PM
Is this being investigated?

It seems like it isn't. Fucking sucks. I'm sure if you took all the video footage from all the camera's you could find out real quick that nbc's story is bullshit.

Chadd Murray
01-28-2008, 06:32 PM
It seems like it isn't. Fucking sucks. I'm sure if you took all the video footage from all the camera's you could find out real quick that nbc's story is bullshit.
and you would bet that based on... NOTHING.

If you're willing to pay enough I can't think of a reason why you wouldn't be able to see that footage.