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Mayflower
01-25-2008, 03:37 PM
After the debate Matthews was questioning Rudy about his stance on gun ownership. Would you really want all those New Yorkers to have guns?? And so on. At the end of the conversation Matthews said that the Supreme Court would decide the question of gun ownership soon, and it would send shockwaves across the Nation!!!!! I already have a strong feeling as to their decision and we are not going to like it..

CountryboyRonPaul
01-25-2008, 03:44 PM
While I doubt they will take away the right to bear arms, I do believe it will side with Brady Bill type legislation.

But, I AM going to a gun show this weekend to widen my inventory just in case ;)

pcosmar
01-25-2008, 03:49 PM
What would shock the nation would be a ruling that , the Right belongs to every American,and all infringement is Unconstitutional.
All gun laws from the 1930s on would be thrown out.
Dancin' in the streets ensues.

misericordia
01-25-2008, 05:00 PM
Omg

Mini-Me
01-25-2008, 05:08 PM
I did see this, and it made me realize that Chris Matthews is one of the biggest douchebags known to man...for once in my life, for a very short time, I was actually thinking, "Kick his ass, Rudy." Seriously. People like Chris Matthews are just wetting their pants at the thought of the Supreme Court saying that the Second Amendment does not mean what it says...hopefully the Supreme Court will side with America for once and assert that the Constitution was not joking.

freedom-maniac
01-25-2008, 05:54 PM
Well, we've already lost our 1st, and 4th Amedment rights. Whats one more?

Ann Kobialka
01-25-2008, 08:10 PM
They are going to rule against us. They were asked to review a state case were the state court sided with the individuals right to own and bear arms vs A STATE MILITIA interpretation that STATE MILITIAS have the right to bear arms not individuals. If the Supreme court agreed with the individuals right to bear arms interpretation all they had to do was refuse to hear the case and the state court ruling would hold. By agreeing to hear the case it is obvious they intend to go with the A MILITIA inside of a state has the right to arms not the individual. Effectively moving this right to the police and the national guards.

pcosmar
01-25-2008, 08:39 PM
They are going to rule against us. They were asked to review a state case were the state court sided with the individuals right to own and bear arms vs A STATE MILITIA interpretation that STATE MILITIAS have the right to bear arms not individuals. If the Supreme court agreed with the individuals right to bear arms interpretation all they had to do was refuse to hear the case and the state court ruling would hold. By agreeing to hear the case it is obvious they intend to go with the A MILITIA inside of a state has the right to arms not the individual. Effectively moving this right to the police and the national guards.

DC is not a State. ( District of Columbia )

Mini-Me
01-25-2008, 09:08 PM
This whole "you have to be in a militia" thing is absolute bullshit. The "well-regulated militia" part of the Second Amendment is not a requirement but an additional right (and an extremely powerful one). It basically means that no matter what, you can be a part of a militia, and it can even be well-regulated (not that it HAS to be). In other words, you're permitted to create your own paramilitary groups completely independent of the state, and the establishment can't legally do anything about it. The whole point of this is so that the citizens have the manpower and organization to overthrow a tyrannical government. The government does not have the authority to require any gun owner to be a member of a recognized militia, nor does it have the authority to decide what constitutes a well-regulated militia. After all, if it did, it could just require you to be a member of a recognized militia to own a gun and then recognize no militias (unless they're run by the state itself), and that would defeat the entire purpose of the amendment. Therefore, such an "interpretation" is a deliberate distortion that defies absolutely everything the Second Amendment stands for and enables everything the Second Amendment is meant to protect against.

I am not a gun owner myself, but the fact is, the day we're denied the right to bear arms is the day America dies...once the citizens are disarmed, the government can do absolutely anything it wants with impunity. That's the way every fascist regime solidifies its power...

Apparently the Supreme Court is going to hear arguments on this in March and issue a ruling sometime during the summer...as the saying goes, "hope for the best but prepare for the worst."

Maz2331
01-25-2008, 09:41 PM
A pro-second amendment ruling will send shockwaves big time because suddenly every restrictive piece of firearms legislation will be called into question, with a SCOTUS precident behind the attacks.

Shellshock1918
01-25-2008, 09:52 PM
Matthews is an anti-gun nut job.

Fields
01-26-2008, 12:36 AM
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OddballAZ
01-26-2008, 08:03 PM
If the court rules against us it will make the American people lose faith in the courts. Also there will be a TON of pressure on congress to FIX IT specify through another amendment that it is an individual right. Survey after survey shows the American people overwhelmingly agree that it is an individual right. History is also on our side as the "collectivist, militia theory" was only made up around 1930-1940. Before then saying the 2nd Amendment was anything other than an individual right was totally unheard of.

If the court rules in favor of us, the fight is still not over. Gun banners will be trying to ban guns until they are victims of muggings or rapes or whatever.

Either way the fight will not end and will go on forever. This is why it's important to get every non gun owner you know to buy a gun and teach their children how to use firearms. Join groups like the NRA, GOA and any local state organizations like the AZ Citizens Defense League or the VA Citizens Defense League. If one of these groups does not exist in your state, start one! The AZ CDL has had a lot of success in improving the gun laws in the state of AZ.

http://www.azcdl.org/

http://www.vcdl.org/

HappyJack
01-26-2008, 08:13 PM
Ammo has doubled and will tripple reloading supplies are thru the roof. they won't need to kill the 2nd they will make the ammo unavailable.

OddballAZ
01-26-2008, 08:20 PM
Ammo has doubled and will tripple reloading supplies are thru the roof. they won't need to kill the 2nd they will make the ammo unavailable.

A lot of this is supposedly being attributed to the war. How true that is I do not know. But prices of some rounds have gone up like .223.

minitman
01-26-2008, 09:58 PM
how soon can this ruling be expected

OddballAZ
01-26-2008, 10:17 PM
how soon can this ruling be expected

Around June.

sfws09
01-26-2008, 10:41 PM
well damnit! i just droped all my guns in the lake while hunting ;)

minitman
01-26-2008, 11:53 PM
funny thing happened when i just went down to get a pack of smokes, all my guns are missing, damn, should have locked the door

attackkatt
01-27-2008, 12:01 AM
After the debate Matthews was questioning Rudy about his stance on gun ownership. Would you really want all those New Yorkers to have guns?? And so on. At the end of the conversation Matthews said that the Supreme Court would decide the question of gun ownership soon, and it would send shockwaves across the Nation!!!!! I already have a strong feeling as to their decision and we are not going to like it..

They are not to let war vets with stress illness problems, and people on anti-depressents have firearms. It was on the radio last night.

RSLudlum
01-27-2008, 12:11 AM
While I doubt they will take away the right to bear arms, I do believe it will side with Brady Bill type legislation.

But, I AM going to a gun show this weekend to widen my inventory just in case ;)

Don't forget to load up with your RonPaul Pro-Gun lit ;)

gaazn
01-27-2008, 01:10 AM
their decision will be that the district of columbia is federal property and not a state, so they cannot ban guns there. they will probably say that the 10th amendment does not prohibit the states or municipalities that are not federal to ban guns.

attackkatt
01-27-2008, 02:44 AM
their decision will be that the district of columbia is federal property and not a state, so they cannot ban guns there. they will probably say that the 10th amendment does not prohibit the states or municipalities that are not federal to ban guns.

Alex Jones was on last night and told of the upcoming seizer of guns. The NRA was the ones who ran it up. It was hid in another bill. Guess we have no real friends. All I can say is buy your ammo now, the price is going up fast for the US made and they will stop the imports from are soon to be enemy Russia.

bunklocoempire
01-27-2008, 04:28 AM
Effectively moving this right to the police and the national guards. And Blackwater.

Kingfisher
01-27-2008, 06:13 AM
JOIN.......http://www.gunowners.org/

Sandy
01-27-2008, 06:20 AM
He was interviewed several months ago and really pressed about the issue by I believe Hannity. He said something similar to: "It was appropriate for New York."

So Rudy, is it appropriate for all big cities? Inquiry minds want to know.

gaazn
01-28-2008, 12:49 AM
Alex Jones was on last night and told of the upcoming seizer of guns. The NRA was the ones who ran it up. It was hid in another bill. Guess we have no real friends. All I can say is buy your ammo now, the price is going up fast for the US made and they will stop the imports from are soon to be enemy Russia.

the price of ammo is double what it was last year and expected to double again? who needs stocks or real estate?

porcupine07
01-31-2008, 02:25 PM
While I doubt they will take away the right to bear arms, I do believe it will side with Brady Bill type legislation.

But, I AM going to a gun show this weekend to widen my inventory just in case ;)

Let's be clear on this, rights cannot be taken away, only privileges can be taken away. When the government presumes to deprive you of your rights, that is an act of aggression and an act of war. All political power comes from We The People. We have RIGHTS, we CREATED the government and granted them PRIVILEGES. We can revoke the privileges. They can't revoke the rights, unless we allow it. The creator is greater than the thing it created.