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01-25-2008, 01:37 PM
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Ron Paul Roundup (01-25-08)
by RS Davis (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=194780914&blogID=351395866&Mytoken=1FD858D7-E704-4B7D-B35E9DFBCC05161F138731513)


Hello Freedomphiles! So, last night was the latest Republican debate, and it was as exciting as a Nelson reuinion tour. As Freedomphile Nettie said, "I'm totally sleeping through this one." Fortunately for us, though, there are people who are paid to watch and comment on these things.

CNN is talking (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/24/bush-economic-policies-faulted-in-gop-debate/) about what they had to say about Bush's economic policies:

Bush "signed into law two years in a row pork-laden bills…which are outrageous," said John McCain, who said he'd restore "fiscal discipline" to Washington.

Mitt Romney said he would "run away" from the high-spending, high-deficit record of Washington. "They said they'd rein in spending," he said. "But somehow, every year more and more money goes in."

Mike Huckabee chimed in with a populist theme, saying the government should to pay more attention to Americans living paycheck to paycheck.

"I think people need in the president, is somebody who understands the totality of the American family, and not just the folks at the top," Huckabee said.

Rep. Ron Paul said what the country needed was a return to the "old-fashioned Republican program" of cutting taxes and reducing the size of government.

"I can't be identified with this," Paul said of the economic troubles plaguing the country. "I was waving the flag the whole time, saying, 'Slow up, slow up.'"

Am I the only one who sees Ron Paul as the only credible person on that stage talking about the economy? All American Patriots elaborates (http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/48741297_gop-debate-wrap-ron-paul-real-republican):

Congressman Paul then cited the many ways that Republicans have abandoned their traditional conservative principles, including unbalanced budgets, massive increases in the size of government, infringing individual freedoms, and failing to strictly follow the Constitution.

Dr. Paul also observed that Republicans used to run on the platform of abolishing the Department of Education and now they now double its size – a reference to many Republicans partnering with Ted Kennedy to institute No Child Left Behind. "The Republican Party has a problem because we don't act like Republicans," concluded Dr. Paul.

In his ten terms in Congress, Dr. Paul has never voted for a tax increase or for an unbalanced budget.

Dr. Paul also pointed out that he is the only candidate who has repeatedly voted against raiding the Social Security funds and has introduced a bill to stop Congress from borrowing money from the Social Security to pay for unbalanced budgets. He also opposes taxation of Social Security benefits.

"Ron Paul has a record of sticking to his conservative principles that spans four decades," said Ron Paul campaign manager Lew Moore. "Dr. Paul's record clearly shows that he's the real Republican and the true conservative."

Jackson Simpson over at The National Ledger thinks (http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272618469.shtml)Ron Paul and Romney stole the show:

So who won the Republican debate in Florida? It certainly wasn't John McCain or Rudy Giuliani. Mike Huckabee wasn't bad but wasn't good. But Mitt Romney had his best debate of the campaign season so far and shockingly wild card Ron Paul scored some great points as well. No, I'm not signing on with the wild bunch that supports him, but give the man his due, he sounded great on the stage...

...Congressman Paul performed at his best when he ticked off the many ways on why he believes that Republicans have abandoned their traditional conservative principles, including unbalanced budgets, massive increases in the size of government, infringing individual freedoms, and failing to strictly follow the Constitution. Hmm, not bad, and believe me, I am no fan of Dr. Paul.

The Daytona Beach News-Journal reports (http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Headlines/frtHEAD33POL012508.htm) on Paul's opposition to the war:

While the economy has drawn heavy attention as the campaign has progressed, the Iraq war remained a major issue in Thursday's debate.

All of the candidates, except Texas Congressman Ron Paul, backed Bush's decision to invade Iraq, though McCain and Romney said they thought the aftermath of the invasion had been mismanaged.

Paul, however, said the United States should not have gone to war.

"It was a very bad idea, and it wasn't worth it," he said.

Right Libertarian Gary Wood writes (http://www.nolanchart.com/article1426.html) on The Nolan Chart that Ron Paul had a Victorious Loss:

In the midst of the debate there were precious times when Ron Paul's differing views could not be silenced. His comments on the Iraq war were clearly articulated and unwavering. His economic comments were a strong dose of reality that those tuned in to really what was necessary to repair both short and long-term our economy had to start to question if he was not the one who understood the most about our situation and how to correct it. Finally, his comments on the Republican Party turning their backs on those of us embracing the Constitution and liberty were directly on-target. His case for being the MOST Republican of any other candidate on the stage could not be denied nor could it be kept from the listening audience.

Will it matter in the papers tomorrow? No. Will it change the focus of the race from the personalities the mainstream media wants to talk about to who they SHOULD talk about? No. Will it reach a few more that will no doubt begin to awaken to real root causes of our troubles and how to solve them? Yes!

This is the essence of this year's rEVOLution. The movement does not sweep over the country a hundred thousand or million people at a time. It grows one focused listener at a time. The restoration of the United States is not an overnight sensation nor is it a single Presidential surprise victory. I believe Dr. Paul understands this better than most of us who support him. We are lucky to have him as our Elder Statesman in this campaign. This debate showed once again it is not about the candidate, nor is it about losing or winning. It is about the victories along the way as the momentum and movement grows. The first American Revolution started out in much the same way. The first real battle against British Colonial Rule took place in 1676, fully 100 years before the Declaration of Independence. Tonight Ron Paul will not be given the win in the debate but those supporting him must understand the wonderful victories he won.

ConnieTalk is talking (http://www.connietalk.com/republican_florida_debate_012408.html) about how Ron Paul got the shaft last night:

Before we go over the details of who said what, it is imperative we bring up the censorship factor. MSNBC and NBC News' coverage tonight was absolutely not equal. Romney, Giuliani, and McCain all got the most face time. Huckabee got only six questions to answer, and was allowed to ask one; Ron Paul, of the full 90-minute segment, only got to answer five questions, and to ask one, and with shorter allowed response time (other candidates went over their time limits and directed questions to each other which MSNBC hosts then allowed to be answered).

We should all know that FOX News does it...but MSNBC? MSNBC, who brings us the Countdown with Keith Olbermann, Dateline, and all of those shows we love? Sadly - this time - yes...

...It was 16 minutes into the debate before Congressman Ron Paul was even addressed with a question.

In fact, here are the final speaking times for what each candidate was given tonight:

Romney: 21 minutes, 11 seconds (12 answers and asked 1 question)
McCain: 16 minutes even (12 answers and asked 1 question)
Giuliani: 13 minutes and 50 seconds (10 answers and asked 1 question)
Huckabee: 12 minutes and 11 seconds (8 answers and asked 1 question)
Paul: 6 minutes and 31 seconds (5 answers and asked 1 question)

They also go in-depth on the content of the debate. Pretty exhaustive analysis, actually. Point-Spreads.com tackled (http://www.point-spreads.com/politics/012508-ron-paul-wins-florida-republican-debate-mccain-stumbles-on-economy.html)the second way in which Ron Paul was told to bend-over and take it like a man:

There was a strong anti war pro Ron Paul crowd in the Florida Primary Republican Debate audience on the campus of Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton, Florida tonight. Results from a MSNBC post debate text messaging poll showed Ron Paul leading before the network decided not to post the official results at the end of the post-debate coverage. The move clearly gets conspiracy theorists abuzz on the Ron Paul posting forums. There was no doubt once again that the clear winner of the debate was Ron Paul.

ABCNews is reporting (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/paul-alleges-bo.html) about Ron Paul and the confusing Louisiana caucus:

But the Paul campaign says they got second place and maybe should have gotten first.

In a statement this afternoon, they allege that Paul supporters were forced to file provisional ballots even when they were pre-registered as delegates for Paul and they accuse the Louisiana Republican party of changing the rules at the last minute.

Paul campaign statement:

The failure of the Louisiana GOP to properly determine who was and wasn't eligible to vote threw this entire process into disarray," said Ron Paul campaign manager Lew Moore. "The party needs to correct this mistake by counting all the votes immediately, and releasing the results."

Due to mistakes by the Louisiana GOP, hundreds of voters were forced to file provisional ballots, including nearly 500 that could change the outcome of the election. According to party officials, caucus locations relied on a voter list from November 1, 2007 despite the fact that under caucus rules, voters must have registered Republican by November 30, 2007.

In multiple instances, state-certified Ron Paul delegates that were on the ballot were forced to file a provisional ballot despite the fact they were pre-approved as delegates.

The Louisiana State GOP also changed the rules at the last minute to allow other candidates to file more delegates. At the time of the original January 10 deadline, Ron Paul had the largest number of delegates pledged to him. The party then changed the rules to give other candidates until January 12 to file more delegates.

It's a confusing process in Louisiana and a trip to the Louisiana Republican Party does not clear things up. They don't even assign numerical totals to show how big the gap between places one and two and three were. In fact, at the website, a statement from party chairman Roger Villere Jr. only says Paul "appear to have captured the next highest number of delegate positions."

So, thankfully, this Louisiana situation is now even more hopelessly muddled. The Big Easy? I think not. Hillsdale Daily News is talking (http://www.hillsdale.net/stories/012508/news_20080125022.shtml) about the "Roe" endorsement, and how it matters little to Religious Right Neocons:

And with his speech this week, Paul picked up a key endorsement — that of "Roe", or Norma McCorvey, who said in a statement that Paul's voting record backs up his anti–abortion stance. Paul favors overturning Roe v. Wade.

"After taking all of the presidential candidates into consideration, it is obvious that Ron Paul is the only one that doesn't just talk the talk," McCorvey said in that statement.

The National Right To Life political action group endorsed Fred Thompson before the primary because of his 100 percent anti–abortion voting record. Locally, the Right to Life group did not and will not yet endorse anyone, said member Gloria Vear.

Yet Paul's stance on other issues keeps Vear and other local pro–life supporters from fully supporting him, despite the endorsement from McCorvey.

"He's an outstanding man... If he were not such an isolationist, I'd support him," she said. "A lot of pro–life people here feel the same way."

Caleb Friz writes (http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_caleb_fr_080125_calling_all_kucinich.htm) on Op-Ed News a call to arms for displaced Kucinich supporters:

Ron Paul is in almost complete agreement with Kucinich's policies on war, the military-industrial complex, and civil liberties. Kucinich himself has said that if he were the nominee he would choose Ron Paul as his running mate. He and Ron Paul work together commonly on the floor of the house of representatives, and often vote together as the only dissenting votes on insidious legislation such as the "Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act". It may be hard for Kucinich supporters to put aside partisanship and register to vote Republican, if only for a month or two, but if you are still committed to supporting an anti-war, pro-peace candidate who has a consistent record of voting against war-funding, then Ron Paul is now your only choice other than Mike Gravel.

Progressives have a difficult choice to make here: we can give in to group-think and vote in the Democratic party primary because when it comes down to it party loyalty is more important than issues; we can bow out of the primary process altogether and start working for the green-party presidential run in 2008; or we can take the time to help the only viable peace candidate, Ron Paul, get some more delegates in our respective states so that he can have some sway in the brokered convention that the Republican party is headed for. Voting for Ron Paul in the primaries doesn't prevent you from voting for the Democratic or Green Party nominee in November. Think of it as an extra chance to dissent and vote for peace before the nation holds its collective nose in November and votes in another corporate candidate.

Finally, Left-Libertarian T. Riley writes (http://www.nolanchart.com/article1430.html) on The Nolan Chart that Ron Paul is the only candidate that can beat Hillary:

Yes. In fact, I would argue that he is the only Republican candidate who can beat Hillary. Why? Because he attracts people from everywhere. He has a solid record as a conservative, so as the Republican nominee, he'll get those votes. But, more than any other Republican candidate running, he pulls in people from other sides, too--disenchanted Democrats, Independents, and people who, until now, have been apathetic, thinking there is no one in politics who represents them.

He doesn't mention the most important factor - Ron Paul can "out-dove" Hillary, who voted for the Iraq War, for The USA Patriot Act.

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IRO-bot
01-25-2008, 02:31 PM
"He's an outstanding man... If he were not such an isolationist, I'd support him," she said. "A lot of pro–life people here feel the same way."


How the *blank* can you be pro-life and feverently support so much death.

steve254
01-25-2008, 06:08 PM
This is the essence of this year's rEVOLution. The movement does not sweep over the country a hundred thousand or million people at a time. It grows one focused listener at a time. The restoration of the United States is not an overnight sensation nor is it a single Presidential surprise victory. I believe Dr. Paul understands this better than most of us who support him. We are lucky to have him as our Elder Statesman in this campaign. This debate showed once again it is not about the candidate, nor is it about losing or winning. It is about the victories along the way as the momentum and movement grows. The first American Revolution started out in much the same way. The first real battle against British Colonial Rule took place in 1676, fully 100 years before the Declaration of Independence. Tonight Ron Paul will not be given the win in the debate but those supporting him must understand the wonderful victories he won.

The essence!

agapecpus
02-02-2008, 10:10 PM
January 24, 2008
MSNBC Florida Debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYaBt5vhjX0
Christian Homeschool Mom for Ron Paul, not Huckabee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=393BLypi1cc
Ronald Reagan and Ron Paul: A Comparison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmsP95Bl9pM
Post Boca Raton Debate Rally Speech (Better view/sound)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x45wpq_ron-paul-at-boca-raton-rally-after_news
TV Special for Iowa
http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/x45cmq
Ron Paul Rally in Boca Raton - Marshall DeRosa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-J5t5ETlME