Pro Life group will not endorse Paul because he is an "isolatonist"

[Pete Kay]

Yet Paul’s stance on other issues keeps Vear and other local pro–life supporters from fully supporting him, despite the endorsement from McCorvey.

“He’s an outstanding man... If he were not such an isolationist, I’d support him,” she said. “A lot of pro–life people here feel the same way.”

http://www.hillsdale.net/stories/012508/news_20080125022.shtml

Yes, pro-life only means protecting unborn babies. It does not mean protecting the lives of our American soldiers. Got it.

[Rebel Resource]

Their minds must be full of sludge. Pity the fools.

[UtahApocalypse]

So let me get this right.... Pro-Life people would rather us be in wars KILLING LIFE then having our troops home protecting us? makes perfect sense to me.

[newmedia4ron]

They want to blow up people but save fetuses. I see the consistency of these pro-lifers.:rolleyes:

[wgadget]

My sign says: CHOOSE LIFE, NO UNJUST WARS...Got lots of nods with that one. Something to think about.

[rockandrollsouls]

Bunch of morons who's votes are probably bought. We already have the biggest pro life endorsement.

[rollingpig]

how about proing some iraqi lives ?

[lynnf]

Yet Paul’s stance on other issues keeps Vear and other local pro–life supporters from fully supporting him, despite the endorsement from McCorvey.

“He’s an outstanding man... If he were not such an isolationist, I’d support him,” she said. “A lot of pro–life people here feel the same way.”

http://www.hillsdale.net/stories/012508/news_20080125022.shtml

Yes, pro-life only means protecting unborn babies. It does not mean protecting the lives of our American soldiers. Got it.


but he's not an isolationist.... he's just not a warmonger.

lynn

[Joe3113]

I love how all this censorship is neatly telling us which organizations are nWo controlled. It's really neat!!!

[mconder]

killing people in foreign lands seems rather isolationist to me.

[LiberalDemForRP]

how about proing some iraqi lives ?

'Zactly. We think we have it bad with our casualties. The innocent lives lost in this region are in the upper hundreds of thousands. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. I can barely stomach it all.

[ARealConservative]

absolutely.

Voting is the least beneficial thing you can do.

Getting 10 people to vote is 10 times better then sitting around on the couch until it is time to cast a vote.

[tsetsefly]

They want to blow up people but save fetuses. I see the consistency of these pro-lifers.:rolleyes:

I think its consistent most pro-fetuses value more unborn "life" than living human beings, remember the stem cell"controversy".

[Dustancostine]

They probably aren't even really pro-life, they are just hijacking the pro-life platform to promote other agendas through the use of real pro-life people.

If you are a pro-life organization, then you should support the most pro-life candidate period. If you let the war of all things decide your politics, then you are a bold face liar and a con man.

[thehittgirl]

So let me get this right.... Pro-Life people would rather us be in wars KILLING LIFE then having our troops home protecting us? makes perfect sense to me.

I've tried reasoning with them about that, but have not been able to. Their ignorance sucks.

[Edward]

The title of the thread is misleading. Members of that group do not appear to agree with Paul's foreign policy positions but it is not an official position of that local group that they will not endorse Paul because he is an isolationist. It's not clear that they plan to endorse anyone.


The National Right To Life political action group endorsed Fred Thompson before the primary because of his 100 percent anti–abortion voting record. Locally, the Right to Life group did not and will not yet endorse anyone, said member Gloria Vear.

Yet Paul’s stance on other issues keeps Vear and other local pro–life supporters from fully supporting him, despite the endorsement from McCorvey.

“He’s an outstanding man... If he were not such an isolationist, I’d support him,” she said. “A lot of pro–life people here feel the same way.”

[Danny Molina]

I guess they're not pro-life after all.

[homah]

I want to shake these people.

[malibu]

Isolationist ?

"When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will." - Frederic Bastiat, 19th century French philosopher/economist

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/f/frederic_bastiat.html

[BlutStein]

OMG the logic there is insane. We'd agree to protect babies if it weren't for the fact that he is against killing adults.

I love my country, but due to its size, we have quite the group of weirdos.

[steph3n]

My continual bombardment on my dad has worked, he told me today he knows now it is best we get out of Iraq ASAP.

I bascially had him voting for Paul before even with disagreeing on Iraq but he turned a corner today :D

[Energy]

How about being pro-life to the 20-year-old fetuses that are fighting and dying for an unjust war?

Educate them on the definition of 'isolationist.'

[tsetsefly]

How about being pro-life to the 20-year-old fetuses that are fighting and dying for an unjust war?

Educate them on the definition of 'isolationist.'

but their dying doing the Lord's work!

[ConstitutionGal]

I think the problem may be coming in from the fact that they value unborn American babies more than they value middle-eastern (possibly..GASP!..Muslim) lives. Period. They simply don't equate all human life in the same terms.

[Pete Kay]

Well, if we don't protect the lives of the unborn, then where are we going to get the soldiers to fight in all our future wars, not to mention our 100 year war in Iraq? Nothing hypocritical there. We should want all the babies to be born into a world full or war and then hand them a check for the enormous amount of debt that they will have to pay back from our irresponsible spending. Makes sense.

[freelance]

I love how all this censorship is neatly telling us which organizations are nWo controlled. It's really neat!!!

I have to agree with you on this.

For all you who still believe that the Christian groups are stewards of Christianity, I have a bridge to sell you. Ditto the pro-life groups. So, keep trying to convert those people. They are not convertible, because they are controlled by their authoritarian leaders. Romans 13 anyone?

[slamhead]

so morally convoluted....

[joshuastjohn]

That article is from Hillsdale county, MI. That's the county that Ron Paul got nearly 17% in the primary.

[GoDrNo]

That article is from Hillsdale county, MI. That's the county that Ron Paul got nearly 17% in the primary.

I was just in the process of making a reply concerning this. Hillsdale county is home of one of the most Libertarian Colleges in the country and played a role in the founding of the Repulican Party.

http://www.hillsdale.edu/about/history.asp

Instead of slamming these people and calling them morons and such we need to be trying to get these people to fully endorse RP.

[Elwar]

This sounds like the anti-war folks that try to push their socialist agenda but use their stance against the war as a front to their real goals.

It appears that this pro-life group is no better...they don't really care about being pro-life.

[DeadtoSin]

I have to agree with you on this.

For all you who still believe that the Christian groups are stewards of Christianity, I have a bridge to sell you. Ditto the pro-life groups. So, keep trying to convert those people. They are not convertible, because they are controlled by their authoritarian leaders. Romans 13 anyone?

How about you stop acting like Christian people are sheep. Almost my whole church can't stand Huckabee, and they haven't decided who they are voting for. So just stop right there if you are saying that..

[Join The Paul Side]

I don't get it. What does warmongering and maintaining our overseas empire have to do with the wellbeing of unborn children? What sense does it make to save these kids lives if your just gonna cast an enormous debt on them before they breath their first breath of air? If we don't stop this overseas crap our kids will be raised in slavery!

:eek:

[webber53]

Everyone of you posters that smear Christians and Pro-life advocates as
a group are shameful. You lump everyone in the same basket as you post your
venom not thinking that there are thousands of Pro-life supporter that support
our good Doctor.

Where do you people get off?
Not all Pro-life advocates are bombing abortion clinics.
It is a miniscule fringe that commit these atrocities.
Yet the major of posts here on this thread have condemned the whole.
You people are bigots. No more different than the KKK.
If you don't like Christianity then try Yoga or Buddhism or Atheism.

You can't. You know why? Because you live your prejudiced made-up
world just like the abortion clinic bombers. Like you they believe
their way is the only way to fix the problem.

Instead of sitting in front of a computer and typing your
hatred towards a segment of society why don't
you try have a dialogue with them. Why don't you try being like Dr. Paul?
You like him so much! Right? Try his methodology.
I really don't care if I get flamed or not.

How would he try to speak to them?
Would he say; "Their minds must be full of sludge. Pity the fools."

How about this one; "They want to blow up people but save fetuses.
I see the consistency of these pro-lifers."

Here is another thoughtful one; "Bunch of morons who's votes are probably bought.
We already have the biggest pro life endorsement."

And how about this well thought out comment;
"but their dying doing the Lord's work!"

Great job team! Glad you all are in agreement!
There are no Pro-life supporters here on this board reading your hatred.

How about sweeping around your own front door for a change.

[micahnelson]

Reach out and kill someone to prove you aren't an isolationist.

What sheep.

I don't get too angry too often- only once on this forum. But I am mad as hell now. I am so tired of the hypocrisy of the pro-life movement in this country. First of all, it OBVIOUSLY isn't a pro-life movement. It is anti-abortion. I am pro-life because:

1) I don't support taking life before it is born. (abortion)

2) I don't support forcing people to end their life after they are born (state sponsored euthanasia)

3) I don't support ending the lives of criminals (Death Penalty)

4) I only support violence in self defense, when the perpetrator has forced you to decide between his life and someone else's life. (The just war doctrine and self defense)

That is what it means to truly be pro-life.

I have heard it said that the only difference between abortion and murder is geography. The same differing characteristic divides invasion/occupation and national security.

EVEN IF WE ACCEPTED IT ALL AS TRUE... fighting them "there" so we don't fight them "here",
who gave us the right to use another nation as our staging ground for a fight against terrorism. If we truly are sustaining this war to pick a fight with al qaeda in Iraq instead of fightinig them here, then we are using the Iraqi people as cannon fodder and we are responsible for the civilians that die in terrorist attacks related to this war.

Isolationist, what fools - what sheep. They wouldn't support Jesus either, he would have been against preemptive war.

[pinkmandy]

They just don't understand the different between isolationist and non intervention. The campaign needs to make a point of that next chance it gets for the prolifers I guess. Do they really think that if you are not at war you are an isolationist? Weird. I'm really starting to think people who don't understand these basic terms shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[RonPaulFTFW]

Ending war is pro-life.

morons.

[Pete Kay]

Everyone of you posters that smear Christians and Pro-life advocates as
a group are shameful. You lump everyone in the same basket as you post your
venom not thinking that there are thousands of Pro-life supporter that support
our good Doctor.

Where do you people get off?


Um, I'm pro-life so why don't you relax? Nobody's attacking pro-lifers, we are just talking about these foolish people that would rather see babies killed than stop warring overseas.

[Joe3113]

How about you stop acting like Christian people are sheep. Almost my whole church can't stand Huckabee, and they haven't decided who they are voting for. So just stop right there if you are saying that..

Get up in front of them and do a presentation on the New World Order!!! it's in the bible !!!

[Joe3113]

Reach out and kill someone to prove you aren't an isolationist.

What sheep.

I don't get too angry too often- only once on this forum. But I am mad as hell now. I am so tired of the hypocrisy of the pro-life movement in this country. First of all, it OBVIOUSLY isn't a pro-life movement. It is anti-abortion. I am pro-life because:

1) I don't support taking life before it is born. (abortion)

2) I don't support forcing people to end their life after they are born (state sponsored euthanasia)

3) I don't support ending the lives of criminals (Death Penalty)

4) I only support violence in self defense, when the perpetrator has forced you to decide between his life and someone else's life. (The just war doctrine and self defense)

That is what it means to truly be pro-life.

I have heard it said that the only difference between abortion and murder is geography. The same differing characteristic divides invasion/occupation and national security.

EVEN IF WE ACCEPTED IT ALL AS TRUE... fighting them "there" so we don't fight them "here",
who gave us the right to use another nation as our staging ground for a fight against terrorism. If we truly are sustaining this war to pick a fight with al qaeda in Iraq instead of fightinig them here, then we are using the Iraqi people as cannon fodder and we are responsible for the civilians that die in terrorist attacks related to this war.

Isolationist, what fools - what sheep. They wouldn't support Jesus either, he would have been against preemptive war.

Quoted for future reference in my post history :)

[Highstreet]

Yet Paul’s stance on other issues keeps Vear and other local pro–life supporters from fully supporting him, despite the endorsement from McCorvey.

“He’s an outstanding man... If he were not such an isolationist, I’d support him,” she said. “A lot of pro–life people here feel the same way.”

http://www.hillsdale.net/stories/012508/news_20080125022.shtml

Yes, pro-life only means protecting unborn babies. It does not mean protecting the lives of our American soldiers. Got it.

Email them.

http://www.hillsdale.net/contact/editor/

Ask politely to correct it. Have them add that He is Not an Isolationist despite the false label given by many competing candidates. He believes in a Strong National Defense and Trade with as many nations as possible.

And getting out of Iraq is not a "liberal" position, it is a conservative, moderate and independent one too. 70% of America thinks we should get out of Iraq.

[scandinaviany3]

Yet Paul’s stance on other issues keeps Vear and other local pro–life supporters from fully supporting him, despite the endorsement from McCorvey.

“He’s an outstanding man... If he were not such an isolationist, I’d support him,” she said. “A lot of pro–life people here feel the same way.”

http://www.hillsdale.net/stories/012508/news_20080125022.shtml

Yes, pro-life only means protecting unborn babies. It does not mean protecting the lives of our American soldiers. Got it.

Ron has video at the National right life events this year and the recent march in dc and the jane roe endorsement!

Lets not worry about the leaders trying to run the world.

Lets get the money to the blimp teams pre superbowl super tuesday ads where our pro life, pro family message ad from chuck baldwin can hit every spot we can!

[micahnelson]

How would he try to speak to them?



We are upset at people who claim to be pro-life, but will not support someone who favors a foreign policy of peace. The hypocrisy is maddening. Obviously it doesn't extend to pro-lifers who are consistent in their views.

When you refer to people as bigots on the level of the KKK, you lose any credibility in your attempt to claim you want people to be civil.

[paulette]

Reach out and kill someone to prove you aren't an isolationist.

What sheep.

I don't get too angry too often- only once on this forum. But I am mad as hell now. I am so tired of the hypocrisy of the pro-life movement in this country. First of all, it OBVIOUSLY isn't a pro-life movement. It is anti-abortion. I am pro-life because:

1) I don't support taking life before it is born. (abortion)

2) I don't support forcing people to end their life after they are born (state sponsored euthanasia)

3) I don't support ending the lives of criminals (Death Penalty)

4) I only support violence in self defense, when the perpetrator has forced you to decide between his life and someone else's life. (The just war doctrine and self defense)

That is what it means to truly be pro-life.

I have heard it said that the only difference between abortion and murder is geography. The same differing characteristic divides invasion/occupation and national security.

EVEN IF WE ACCEPTED IT ALL AS TRUE... fighting them "there" so we don't fight them "here",
who gave us the right to use another nation as our staging ground for a fight against terrorism. If we truly are sustaining this war to pick a fight with al qaeda in Iraq instead of fightinig them here, then we are using the Iraqi people as cannon fodder and we are responsible for the civilians that die in terrorist attacks related to this war.

Isolationist, what fools - what sheep. They wouldn't support Jesus either, he would have been against preemptive war.

VERY GOOD POST.

[liberteebell]

Yet Paul’s stance on other issues keeps Vear and other local pro–life supporters from fully supporting him, despite the endorsement from McCorvey.

“He’s an outstanding man... If he were not such an isolationist, I’d support him,” she said. “A lot of pro–life people here feel the same way.”

http://www.hillsdale.net/stories/012508/news_20080125022.shtml

Yes, pro-life only means protecting unborn babies. It does not mean protecting the lives of our American soldiers. Got it.


Yep, save the unborn so we have plenty of bullet sponges for pre-emptive war 18 years down the road. Sick!!

I often tell people that RP believes in a culture of life, not a culture of death. Makes 'em say, "hmmmmmmm".

[Danny Molina]

Maybe we can email this particular group. Try to sway them in our direction.

[PimpBlimp]

I love how all this censorship is neatly telling us which organizations are nWo controlled. It's really neat!!!

This guy gets it

The leaders of these so called social conservative groups are showing their true colors here. Bought and payed for shills just like a lot of the radio hosts.

[Ernest]

Just goes to show that this "pro life" group is no more pro life then GW.

[Dutch_in_Hanoi]

So sick of all the negative BS on this forum in general and this thread in particular.

If you would actually take the time to open the link and read the article then you'd see that they are not negative about Ron Paul at all. They just wont endorse him officially at this point, but if you'd read between the lines you could also see that a lot of their members do approve of Paul's pro-life stance and that he has also picked up a key endorsement from one of the more prominent pro lifers. Even if the organization wont officially endorse him at this point there will be plenty of members that sway in his direction.

The whole article is not negative but of course this forum manages to spin it into a multi-page cry baby thread whining about how mistreated we are and how stupid all the pro lifers are.

Well.. one thing is for sure.. If they ever do decide to google Paul and they'd end up at this forum they'd be turned of big time about all the bashing they receive and they'll vote for someone else. Nice job guys, keep it up...

[tsetsefly]

This sounds like the anti-war folks that try to push their socialist agenda but use their stance against the war as a front to their real goals.

It appears that this pro-life group is no better...they don't really care about being pro-life.

+10000

[Lord Xar]

well, the big problem is they are using the words "ISOLATIONIST" - which was a media derived keyword that has a negative connotaton.

Also, I would be curious what affiliations these people have.. as why dont they want us out of everyone's business. Who's business do they want us in.

Anyways, for such a serious org, you'd think they'd have it right about using that isolationsist bologne..... Ron is OPPOSITE of islationist.

[maeqFREEDOMfree]

Yet Paul’s stance on other issues keeps Vear and other local pro–life supporters from fully supporting him, despite the endorsement from McCorvey.

“He’s an outstanding man... If he were not such an isolationist, I’d support him,” she said. “A lot of pro–life people here feel the same way.”

http://www.hillsdale.net/stories/012508/news_20080125022.shtml

Yes, pro-life only means protecting unborn babies. It does not mean protecting the lives of our American soldiers. Got it.

obviously what they "know" about RP has been "learned" from the MSM... it's sad, but there's a lot of people out there like that

[AggieforPaul]

I think its consistent most pro-fetuses value more unborn "life" than living human beings, remember the stem cell"controversy".

Please be careful with your generalizations. There are a LOT of pro life people in the Ron Paul camp who are working very hard to support his candidacy

[DeadtoSin]

Everyone knows that tsetsefly is an angstmeister that seems to hate Christians/pro-life/whatever and a pretty well known troll in my opinion.

[Rhys]

The thing you need to remember about AVID single issue voters is, they're DENCE. They can't see the forest from the trees.

The best thing is to count your losses and move on.

We'll get the next one.

[Soccrmastr]

Some people are too ignorant to help.

[SilentBull]

Whenever someone says this all that needs to be asked is for them to state the definition of isolationism. I bet they cannot.

[Lucille]

The GOP, Ron Paul & Non-Interventionism (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/08/goldwater_is_to_reagan_as_ron.html)

Email them that piece.

Money quote:


First though, it's important to distinguish non-interventionism from isolationism. The former seeks a more rigorous and delimited definition of America's interests, while the latter a walled garden that completely cuts America off from the world. Non-interventionists are not pacifists, but they do reserve war fighting for moments of actual national peril. (Paul, for instance, voted to authorize war in Afghanistan in 2001.) They do not view the military as an instrument of social policy. If war is to be fought, non-interventionists demand a Congressional declaration of war to ensure that the conflict is one in which the nation's resources are fully brought to bear.

Unlike isolationists, non-interventionists do not fear expanding and liberalizing trade (Paul has frequently said as much). Non-interventionists are confident in American strength and, unlike isolationists, are optimistic about America's engagement with the world. What they do not seek, however, is dominion over it. Non-interventionists trust that Western values are persuasive on their own terms, and become correspondingly less so when they are imposed on societies at gunpoint. Finally, non-interventionists tend to possess a truly conservative skepticism about government and the malleability of human nature. They do not believe America should squander its blood and treasure as it pursues utopian schemes like "ridding the world of evil."

"Blood and treasure." What are we. Pirates? How about calling it what it is for a change; losing lives, limbs, international good will and driving our nation to bankruptcy.

[H Roark]

Wow the hypocrites! If you call yourself a pro-life organization why is it that a candidate must meet other criteria to get an endorsement, especially one that adheres to being pro-life in the first place!?

[Edward]

So sick of all the negative BS on this forum in general and this thread in particular.

If you would actually take the time to open the link and read the article then you'd see that they are not negative about Ron Paul at all. They just wont endorse him officially at this point, but if you'd read between the lines you could also see that a lot of their members do approve of Paul's pro-life stance and that he has also picked up a key endorsement from one of the more prominent pro lifers. Even if the organization wont officially endorse him at this point there will be plenty of members that sway in his direction.

The whole article is not negative but of course this forum manages to spin it into a multi-page cry baby thread whining about how mistreated we are and how stupid all the pro lifers are.

Well.. one thing is for sure.. If they ever do decide to google Paul and they'd end up at this forum they'd be turned of big time about all the bashing they receive and they'll vote for someone else. Nice job guys, keep it up...What he said.

[Redcard]

I think by Isolationist, they're afraid that Ron's really pro choice by ttheir standards.

For example, pro-lifers are "PRO. LIFE."

Not "I think it's wrong but it should be up to the states to decide."

Simply.. "I think it's wrong." The followup can be anywhere from "And I think people who do it should pay a fine" all the way up to "And I think people who do it should be executed."

When they see Ron Paul being an isolationist, what they, in their eyes, are seeing is someone who wouldn't go fight for the innocents no matter what.

[syborius]

My sign says: CHOOSE LIFE, NO UNJUST WARS...Got lots of nods with that one. Something to think about.

I would put up a booth and hand out signs to these supposed pro-lifers...Choose war Choose death Choose 100 years -Mccain :D

[JimInNY]

They want to blow up people but save fetuses. I see the consistency of these pro-lifers.:rolleyes:

To make it worse, their candidates of choice will continue to blow people up and will do nothing to save the babies.

[painter4Ron Paul]

To these people "isolatonist" means that you do want endless wars against innocent people.

[JenaS62]

That makes absolutely no sense. What do the two things have to do with each other?

[webber53]

So sick of all the negative BS on this forum in general and this thread in particular.

If you would actually take the time to open the link and read the article then you'd see that they are not negative about Ron Paul at all. They just wont endorse him officially at this point, but if you'd read between the lines you could also see that a lot of their members do approve of Paul's pro-life stance and that he has also picked up a key endorsement from one of the more prominent pro lifers. Even if the organization wont officially endorse him at this point there will be plenty of members that sway in his direction.

The whole article is not negative but of course this forum manages to spin it into a multi-page cry baby thread whining about how mistreated we are and how stupid all the pro lifers are.

Well.. one thing is for sure.. If they ever do decide to google Paul and they'd end up at this forum they'd be turned of big time about all the bashing they receive and they'll vote for someone else. Nice job guys, keep it up...

QFT

[Staupostek]

To make it worse, their candidates of choice will continue to blow people up and will do nothing to save the babies.

I guess when you've acquired all your power and influence by fighting against something (in this case abortion), the last thing you want is to actually get your way and have that thing you're fighting to be defeated. If it is, then where do you go? When you look at all the pro-life politicians who do little to nothing to restrict or prohibit abortion, makes you wonder what the pro-life endorsements and contributions are really for.

[flames2dust77]

Gee, that's right. We're pro-lifers....but we condone invading a country for no reason at all and killing tons of innocent people. You know....kinda what we're against. But not really.

IGNORANT.

In the words of Carlos Mencia. "You're a Dee, Dee, Dee"

[Todd]

So...a Social activist group... that's sole purpose is to stop Abortion...can't support Paul for a Foreign policy stance? Sounds logical to me.

[Enzo]

Man.. that's gotta be the dumbest thing I've ever heard....

That organization needs to fire it's leadership... because they certainly are not concerned with the cause of the organization...

That's like a pro-gun group not supporting a candidate because of his/her stance on abortion.

[Goldwater Conservative]

Sounds like they should advertise themselves as an anti-abortion AND pro-nation-building group instead of as a simply pro-life group.

[disciple]

How can these people sleep at night when they are supporting a war that resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of innocents based on lies?

They deserve hell, they don't deserve the good Doctor.

[Give me liberty]

How can these people sleep at night when they are supporting a war that resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of innocents based on lies?

They deserve hell, they don't deserve the good Doctor.

QFT

Pro life also means peace if they dont understand that :rolleyes:

[Jeff King]

So sick of all the negative BS on this forum in general and this thread in particular.

If you would actually take the time to open the link and read the article then you'd see that they are not negative about Ron Paul at all. .


Hi:

Hanoi is right. I worked the Republican fair booth with the person that was interviewed that said that, she does truly respect Paul, but here in Hillsdale county, the war is a big sticking point for many.

The newspaper also called me about that article, but they had interviewed me too many times (I am the county coordinator for Hillsdale and have gotten on average 1-2 quotes a week for the last month) and I guess they couldn't get ahold of the person I referred them to. Honestly, they have treated us very very well here, I attribute alot of our 17% to the articles they ran.

That much being said, I am planning a respectful letter to the editor clarifying Isolationist with non-interventionist.

And if you or anyone are going to do L2E, make sure you submit it multiple times. They tend to "get lost" going there. Here is my hit list and I have batted 100%:

But PLEASE don't bite the heads off, just gently clarify.

http://hillsdale.net/eletter.shtml (editor to the letter submission)
james.pruitt@hillsdale.net the acting editor
jo.dickey@hillsdale.net the sec who confirms you are who you say you are


Make sure to include your phone number as they confirm all ones printed.


Regards,

Jeff King
Hillsdale County coordinator

[Jeff King]

Two locals wrote L2E about this article:


http://www.hillsdale.net/stories/020508/opinion_20080205010.shtml (http://www.hillsdale.net/stories/020508/opinion_20080205010.shtml)

Daily News placed unfair label on Ron Paul


To the editor:


The HDN unfairly labeled Conservative Ron Paul supporters in stating support came from “a (anti–war) message that endears him to some ‘liberals’.” Traditional Conservatives such as Pat Buchanan, George Will, Barry Goldwater Jr. and others also want to leave Iraq. Ronald Reagan said of his withdrawal from Lebanon in 1984: “The irrationality of Middle Eastern politics forced us to rethink our policy.”

Historically, the Republican party has been the anti–war party; it is liberals that entangle us in foreign adventures. The undeclared Korean and Vietnam adventures were escalated by Democrats and exited by Republicans on anti–war platforms. In 2002 Ron Paul was one of five Republicans who stood firm on the core values of the GOP/Constitution, and voted against the Iraq war.

I’m not sure who invents the stereotypes at the HDN, but I suggest they check their premises. True Conservatives cherish the Constitution and never endorse military adventures outside the powers enumerated within. While “liberals” may support Paul for wanting to get us out of Iraq, this clearly is a fundamental Conservative position.

The other label I wanted to clarify is from the local “right to life” group, who claim Paul is an “isolationist”. Unfortunately, they don’t understand the term, which has two elements:

n Legal barriers to control trade and cultural exchange with people in other states.

The polar opposite of Paul’s position.

n Countries should avoid entangling alliances with other nations and avoid wars not related to self–defense.

Paul supports this position, known as “non–intervention”, and likely the label the RTL group meant.

If the HDN still wishes to toss around “liberal” labels, they can now add George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and other founding fathers to the list, who, like Paul, advocated non–intervention.

What I find ironic here, relative to RTL’s issues with Paul, is he voted against the Iraq war in 2002, so one could extrapolate under a Paul presidency we would not have invaded Iraq. Having 4,000–plus more Americans and 100,000–plus more Iraqis still walking the face of the earth seems quite “pro–life” to me!

Jeff King,

Hillsdale

Jeff King is the county chair for Ron Paul for President.

[Jeff King]

And the second one:

http://www.hillsdale.net/stories/020108/opinion_20080201011.shtml


Rebuttal: Paul article misleading


To the editor,


Wow, “...go[ing] from a nobody to a dark horse candidate in a short time” ! How about: taking second place in both the LA and NV Caucuses, holding both the Republican and then All–Party one–day fundraising records, beating half the people who were included in the Fox News debate from which he was excluded, and even being recognized by the editorial staff of the Daily News as the preeminent candidate in the County? If that’s a “dark horse”, one must perforce wonder at what it might possibly take to become a “front–runner”!

Just because the American Sheeple have become so conditioned to taking their marching orders from the Council on Foreign Relations, NATO and the United Nations that they perceive not volunteering to be the world’s policemen as “isolationist” doesn’t make it so. It is absolutely appalling and unconscionable for those who choose the more generally palatable moniker “pro–life” instead of “anti–abortion”, oppose “partial–birth abortion” as (quite rightly) the murder of a viable child and insist (again, quite scientifically correctly) that “life begins at conception” to fall for/into such deliberately inaccurate word games! Shouldn’t being “pro–life” embrace both the “post–born” — tens of thousands of whom have been killed in illegal U.S. foreign interventions around the world — as well as the “pre–born”?

The Constitution of the United States grants Congress the Power to Declare War. No War that was ever Declared by Congress has ever been lost. From “The Korean Conflict” ( a UN “police action”) through the Vietnam “War” and our many other “adventures” in Europe and South America, up to Iraq (and, coming soon, Iran), the U.S. has never won a nondeclared, non–war!

That ought to tell those who are still capable of rational thought something. Pity that there are so few such people remaining in either the American Congress or electorate.

Peter M. Cromwell,

Reading

[Menthol Patch]

Yep, these pro-life people only care about the lives of American babies.

The lives of soldiers and innocent people in other nations don't matter.

Dead Iraqi children probably make them smile!

[JGalt]

They want to blow up people but save fetuses. I see the consistency of these pro-lifers.:rolleyes:

Well obviously. Live babies become dead soldiers, as George Carlin pointed out.

[fj45lvr]

You can't fix STUPID.....when they're hanging on every word of the christian zionists.

[LEK]

but he's not an isolationist.... he's just not a warmonger.

lynn

Exactly.

If any Christian can read the following by HON. RON PAUL OF TEXAS before the U.S. House of Representatives, June 29, 2006, and not give a resounding AMEN!, I seriously wonder about their faith.

My beliefs aside, Christian teaching of nearly a thousand years reinforces the concept of “The Just War Theory.” This Christian theory emphasizes six criteria needed to justify Christian participation in war. Briefly the six points are as follows:

1. War should be fought only in self defense;
2. War should be undertaken only as a last resort;
3. A decision to enter war should be made only by a legitimate authority;
4. All military responses must be proportional to the threat;
5. There must be a reasonable chance of success; and
6. A public declaration notifying all parties concerned is required.

The war in Iraq fails to meet almost all of these requirements. This discrepancy has generated anger and division within the Christian community.

Some are angry because the war is being fought out of Christian duty, yet does not have uniform support from all Christians. Others are angry because they see Christianity as a religion as peace and forgiveness, not war and annihilation of enemies.

[syborius]

OMG the logic there is insane. We'd agree to protect babies if it weren't for the fact that he is against killing adults.

I love my country, but due to its size, we have quite the group of weirdos.

I have uncontrovertible, I mean incontrovertible evidence to suggest that Ron Paul supporters are the only ones that dare use logic and reasoning as part of their decision making process. :rolleyes:

[american empire]

hence the hypocrisy of pro life advocates ....they just make our arguments for pro life harder

[quickmike]

Yet Paul’s stance on other issues keeps Vear and other local pro–life supporters from fully supporting him, despite the endorsement from McCorvey.

“He’s an outstanding man... If he were not such an isolationist, I’d support him,” she said. “A lot of pro–life people here feel the same way.”

http://www.hillsdale.net/stories/012508/news_20080125022.shtml

Yes, pro-life only means protecting unborn babies. It does not mean protecting the lives of our American soldiers. Got it.

Spoken like true fisherman. Yeah, throw em back when theyre small and kill em when they get bigger.

I guess some people just think its our right to go f--kin around with the rest of the world. Oh well, we wont be able to afford it one day anyway.

We win by default............sorta.

[patriot4paul]

Yep, these pro-life people only care about the lives of American babies.

The lives of soldiers and innocent people in other nations don't matter.

Dead Iraqi children probably make them smile!

Sad, but unfortunately true. It seems like they are pro-life when it comes to babies, but pro-death when it comes to innocent people in other countries. How hypocritical!:mad:

[seeker1]

don't you just love they way they vomit up what they've been force-fed.

I read a good quote the other day on my blog;


People no longer need to be force fed bullshit;
Today they eat it willingly.

So true.

[ErikBlack]

[COLOR="Navy"]Everyone of you posters that smear Christians and Pro-life advocates as
a group are shameful. You lump everyone in the same basket as you post your
venom not thinking that there are thousands of Pro-life supporter that support
our good Doctor.

Where do you people get off?
Not all Pro-life advocates are bombing abortion clinics.
It is a miniscule fringe that commit these atrocities.
Yet the major of posts here on this thread have condemned the whole.
You people are bigots. No more different than the KKK.
If you don't like Christianity then try Yoga or Buddhism or Atheism.

You can't. You know why? Because you live your prejudiced made-up
world just like the abortion clinic bombers. Like you they believe
their way is the only way to fix the problem.

Instead of sitting in front of a computer and typing your
hatred towards a segment of society why don't
you try have a dialogue with them. Why don't you try being like Dr. Paul?
You like him so much! Right? Try his methodology.
I really don't care if I get flamed or not.



Most anyone who has ever tried to have a dialog with Christian fundamentalists can attest to the fact that it is slightly more frustrating than banging your head against a brick wall until blood comes out of your ears. It's a pointless exercise because neither party is going to change their mind. The Christian isn't going to see the light about the necessity and benefits of abortion and the atheist isn't going to all of a sudden realize that killing babies is morally wrong. It's just not going to happen. Better for these two groups just to leave each other alone and ignore each other.

Your outrage at being categorized unfairly is laughable. There are exceptions to every rule and you happen to be one of them. Congratulations. There are Christians who are reasonable people. But they are the minority. The majority of Christians are ignorant sheep, as are the majority of atheists. The Christians bow down before their "moral leaders", who are usually just political opportunists and the Atheists bow down before their scientists, who are usually demented control-freaks with no respect for nature and man's true place in the world.

Among both groups there are some bright people who can understand the benefits of science and religion, who can see through the smokescreen of idealogical B.S. that their peers can't. But that doesn't mean that the group as a whole cannot be generalized. If you were so enlightened you wouldn't take offense to it because you are an individual, not part of the collective group. Insults aimed at the group do not pertain to its individual members, unless the actions and positions of the group reflect their own.

[fj45lvr]

just stop to ask yourself why one of their KEY leaders of the COALITION who praises operation rescue could turn around and endorse a man who is pro-choice??? and an adulterer??

it is called Christian Z-I-O-N-I-S-T....keep the "animals" in their cage for the conquest of the Occupied territories....usher in Armageddon

didn't you know it's GODS WILL???

and they call paul and the Islamists "crazy".

[Shellshock1918]

Yet Paul’s stance on other issues keeps Vear and other local pro–life supporters from fully supporting him, despite the endorsement from McCorvey.

“He’s an outstanding man... If he were not such an isolationist, I’d support him,” she said. “A lot of pro–life people here feel the same way.”

http://www.hillsdale.net/stories/012508/news_20080125022.shtml

Yes, pro-life only means protecting unborn babies. It does not mean protecting the lives of our American soldiers. Got it.

I'm sick of these dumbass mother fuckers (and thats what they are, DUMBASS MOTHER FUCKERS) that label Paul and non-intervention as isolationist.