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affa
01-25-2008, 02:49 AM
Ron Paul supporter.

Kucinich is and always will be a hero of mine for any number of reasons. He's honest. He's hard working. He's for the people. He's for peace.

The simple fact that he was vegan told me almost everything I needed to know - he had respect and love for all life. That's important to me.

Now, on these boards you're going to find a lot of people you don't agree with. The word 'socialist' gets thrown around like a knife here. Remember, though, that this is the beauty of freedom, and the beauty of the unifying power of Ron Paul's message.

Odds are, you won't agree with everything Ron Paul says. But before you dismiss him, research his views on a topic. I highly recommend some of his interviews from the 80's. It will open your eyes, I promise you. For example, he's been denouncing the racism embedded within the War On Drugs for decades.

Ron Paul, like Dennis Kucinich, is an honest man. He's pro-peace, pro-freedom.

And he is the only candidate left that will end this war, that will restore our freedoms and civil liberties, that will end our empire, that will free those unjustly imprisoned (non-violent drug offenders), that will stand up for your right to believe whatever you want to believe - even if he doesn't agree with it.

When researching his voting record, please remember that he is a strict constitutionalist. His yea or nea vote does not necessarily reflect his own opinion on a matter, or what would be popular, but instead what is legal in the constitution - a document thats central purpose was (and is) to protect us from tyranny (and look around...).

This is why you will hit speed bumps during your research - why DID he vote against a medal for Rosa Parks?! But then you'll learn that he considers her a hero of civil disobedience and offered to pay $100 towards the cost of the medal out of his own pocket... but the rest of the pols voted to spend our money instead.

It is this commitment to principle that is so absolutely rare in politics today that make him worthy of being president - and we do need him desperately.

So please, research him. Watch his interviews and speeches. Read his positions. And if you have any questions, please feel free to PM me.

Peace.

thuja
01-25-2008, 02:55 AM
nice. let's get him into the white house. but some of us will have tp protect animals b ourselves, and stop the nukes.

sharkcity
01-25-2008, 03:09 AM
I love how freedom brings us together!!

Joe3113
01-25-2008, 03:57 AM
When researching his voting record, please remember that he is a strict constitutionalist. His yea or nea vote does not necessarily reflect his own opinion on a matter, or what would be popular, but instead what is legal in the constitution - a document thats central purpose was (and is) to protect us from tyranny (and look around...).



Another point to make here. As a vegan myself, there is nothing you animal-loving Kucinich supporters out there, have to fear about Dr Paul. His votes surrounding the issue of animal welfare, simply stem from the fact that he is a strict on the constitution and that document doesn't provide the federal government with the powers to make these laws. IT DOESN'T MEAN HE LIKES CRUELTY TO ANIMALS, it simply means the states should deal with the issue.

I turned vegetarian at age 12 and vegan at age 19. I'm now 24. I've been a staunch supporter of animal welfare/rights causes in that time. We must secure human rights before we will have any chance at dealing with issues concerning animals. If people believe their own rights are being taken away then we won't be able to make progress on animal rights until that is remedied. Get it. OK.

:)

LiberalDemForRP
01-25-2008, 10:21 AM
What a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful post, Affa. Thanks for it. Awesome.

steph3n
01-25-2008, 10:40 AM
Another point to make here. As a vegan myself, there is nothing you animal-loving Kucinich supporters out there, have to fear about Dr Paul. His votes surrounding the issue of animal welfare, simply stem from the fact that he is a strict on the constitution and that document doesn't provide the federal government with the powers to make these laws. IT DOESN'T MEAN HE LIKES CRUELTY TO ANIMALS, it simply means the states should deal with the issue.

I turned vegetarian at age 12 and vegan at age 19. I'm now 24. I've been a staunch supporter of animal welfare/rights causes in that time. We must secure human rights before we will have any chance at dealing with issues concerning animals. If people believe their own rights are being taken away then we won't be able to make progress on animal rights until that is remedied. Get it. OK.

:)

While I am not a Vegan nor do I wish to be, I have cooked for them recently and it was some of the best food I made. (for those interested a portabello mushroom meatless fajita, also free of some common marinade sources)


I will stand up to respect your wishes to not eat meats as your way of life, and not ridicule you for it as some chose. That is the beauty of liberty, don't agree but still respect and even honor those that do

constituent
01-25-2008, 10:46 AM
all vegans need to stop in luling, tx for some delicious b-b-q....

it'll be the end of your vegeanity.

affa
01-25-2008, 11:59 AM
What a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful post, Affa. Thanks for it. Awesome.

Aww, you made my morning.

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
01-25-2008, 12:10 PM
I am a conservative, meat eating, non drug using, pro life, christian, pickup driving, confederate flag toting, south loving man (some say redneck lol) and I would gladly call you pro choice,liberal,vegan,athiest,hybrid driving, sometimes drug using folks my friends and brother and sister in liberty any day over these other idiots we have running the country. Before all of this I NEVER in a million years would have guessed I would have so much in common with you guys but I do and I thank God for showing me how to fight a revolution even with those I do not always agree with :-)

GROUP HUG FOR RON PAUL :D

Joe3113
01-25-2008, 12:28 PM
I am a conservative, meat eating, non drug using, pro life, christian, pickup driving, confederate flag toting, south loving man (some say redneck lol) and I would gladly call you pro choice,liberal,vegan,athiest,hybrid driving, sometimes drug using folks my friends and brother and sister in liberty any day over these other idiots we have running the country. Before all of this I NEVER in a million years would have guessed I would have so much in common with you guys but I do and I thank God for showing me how to fight a revolution even with those I do not always agree with :-)

GROUP HUG FOR RON PAUL :D

That's all great but I think you have imprisoned yourself in the false left-right paradigm.

I'm vegan and I think recreational drug use is a pathetic waste of life. I am also convinced that life begins at conception and that abortion is an awful thing. I am not atheist, but agnostic/deist. By the way, I'm male, and an avid bodybuilder. Howz that for breaking down the paradigm!?!

steph3n
01-25-2008, 12:31 PM
That's all great but I think you have imprisoned yourself in the false left-right paradigm.

I'm vegan and I think recreational drug use is a pathetic waste of life. I am also convinced that life begins at conception and that abortion is an awful thing. I am not atheist, but agnostic/deist. By the way, I'm male, and an avid bodybuilder. Howz that for breaking down the paradigm!?!

I guess you only do Soy based protein supplements that have no milk?

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
01-25-2008, 12:38 PM
That's all great but I think you have imprisoned yourself in the false left-right paradigm.

I'm vegan and I think recreational drug use is a pathetic waste of life. I am also convinced that life begins at conception and that abortion is an awful thing. I am not atheist, but agnostic/deist. By the way, I'm male, and an avid bodybuilder. Howz that for breaking down the paradigm!?!

You got me there lol. I guess I did sterotype when I shouldnt have. I know for example that not everyone on the left is pro choice and everyone the right is not pro life.. was just trying to make a point is all :D

steph3n
01-25-2008, 12:57 PM
Oh I saw the other day in a profile that Paul's hobby is organic gardening(specifically tomatoes)

affa
01-25-2008, 01:28 PM
I am a conservative, meat eating, non drug using, pro life, christian, pickup driving, confederate flag toting, south loving man (some say redneck lol) and I would gladly call you pro choice,liberal,vegan,athiest,hybrid driving, sometimes drug using folks my friends and brother and sister in liberty any day over these other idiots we have running the country. Before all of this I NEVER in a million years would have guessed I would have so much in common with you guys but I do and I thank God for showing me how to fight a revolution even with those I do not always agree with :-)

GROUP HUG FOR RON PAUL :D

Hey, the group hug proves you're a hippy at heart! Heh.

But seriously, the saying is so true - opposites really do attract. As Dr. Paul might say, freedom is popular.

SovereignMN
01-25-2008, 01:36 PM
I am a conservative, meat eating, non drug using, pro life, christian, pickup driving, confederate flag toting, south loving man (some say redneck lol)

It's like I'm looking at a mirror. ;)

affa
01-25-2008, 01:38 PM
I guess you only do Soy based protein supplements that have no milk?

There are many other sources of protein for vegans as well - nuts (peanut butter!), hemp, rice, quinoa, etc.

There is actually a large vegan bodybuilding community (I am not a body builder). A quick google search found this:
http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=bios

Many of them, such as Brendan Brazier, are quite successful.

colin1
01-25-2008, 02:23 PM
:D
I love how freedom brings us together!!

I think everyone is making excellent points. A key fact is this: Ron Paul doesn't oppose alot of things, he just opposes the federal government doing them. For instance I've seen many of the "ron paul wants to abolish xyz" arguments. There's no reason that your state government can't take over any of the programs that Paul wants to eliminate from Federal control. Although I have to warn liberals, raising taxes in your state to have lots of entitlements may lead to the emigration of alot of people from your state. Although I'm sure everyone that's so interested in spending your money to help everyone out will quickly move there to make up any shortfall. :D

colin1
01-25-2008, 02:24 PM
There are many other sources of protein for vegans as well - nuts (peanut butter!), hemp, rice, quinoa, etc.

There is actually a large vegan bodybuilding community (I am not a body builder). A quick google search found this:
http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=bios

Many of them, such as Brendan Brazier, are quite successful.

Just don't forget to take your Vitamin S ;)

DahuiHeeNalu
01-25-2008, 02:36 PM
Im Vegan also and i love peace and im anti war apart of my local peace chapter... Hemp FREEDOM!

CelestialRender
01-25-2008, 02:58 PM
Awesome post.

nullvalu
01-25-2008, 03:16 PM
Just don't forget to take your Vitamin S ;)

I'm taking my Vitamin B right now....... Beer. :D

affa
01-25-2008, 08:47 PM
I'm taking my Vitamin B right now....... Beer. :D

Mmmmmm. Nutrional Yeast on toast.

And the funny thing is, I KNOW how awful that sounds. But trust me, it tastes amazing. And it's got the B.

Joe3113
01-25-2008, 11:41 PM
I guess you only do Soy based protein supplements that have no milk?

SPi = 95% Bioavailable

Its good stuff (Wpi is only a little better)

Rice protein is also good to mix things up.

hamdog
01-26-2008, 12:40 AM
Oh I saw the other day in a profile that Paul's hobby is organic gardening(specifically tomatoes)

tomacco? right on!

i'm not really any of the above. still think it's a great post. i don't have anything against anybody.

MooCowzRock
01-26-2008, 12:57 AM
Hippies teaming up with Conservatives and Republicans....Wonder what that says?

affa
01-26-2008, 01:44 AM
SPi = 95% Bioavailable

Its good stuff (Wpi is only a little better)

Rice protein is also good to mix things up.

we've switched over to hemp protein to further spread it out.

affa
01-26-2008, 01:47 AM
Hippies teaming up with Conservatives and Republicans....Wonder what that says?

heh, i don't think anyone would consider me a hippie. vegan, yea. a little too east coast to be a hippie though.

but see, that's the thing - we're all together in this. the conservatives among us need to make this nomination thing happen... and then together with the rest of us we'll take care of the general election.

fmontez
01-26-2008, 01:55 AM
Ron Paul supporter.

Kucinich is and always will be a hero of mine for any number of reasons. He's honest. He's hard working. He's for the people. He's for peace.

The simple fact that he was vegan told me almost everything I needed to know - he had respect and love for all life. That's important to me.

Now, on these boards you're going to find a lot of people you don't agree with. The word 'socialist' gets thrown around like a knife here. Remember, though, that this is the beauty of freedom, and the beauty of the unifying power of Ron Paul's message.

Odds are, you won't agree with everything Ron Paul says. But before you dismiss him, research his views on a topic. I highly recommend some of his interviews from the 80's. It will open your eyes, I promise you. For example, he's been denouncing the racism embedded within the War On Drugs for decades.

Ron Paul, like Dennis Kucinich, is an honest man. He's pro-peace, pro-freedom.

And he is the only candidate left that will end this war, that will restore our freedoms and civil liberties, that will end our empire, that will free those unjustly imprisoned (non-violent drug offenders), that will stand up for your right to believe whatever you want to believe - even if he doesn't agree with it.

When researching his voting record, please remember that he is a strict constitutionalist. His yea or nea vote does not necessarily reflect his own opinion on a matter, or what would be popular, but instead what is legal in the constitution - a document thats central purpose was (and is) to protect us from tyranny (and look around...).

This is why you will hit speed bumps during your research - why DID he vote against a medal for Rosa Parks?! But then you'll learn that he considers her a hero of civil disobedience and offered to pay $100 towards the cost of the medal out of his own pocket... but the rest of the pols voted to spend our money instead.

It is this commitment to principle that is so absolutely rare in politics today that make him worthy of being president - and we do need him desperately.

So please, research him. Watch his interviews and speeches. Read his positions. And if you have any questions, please feel free to PM me.

Peace.

You SIR are a great American. You renew my faith in Ron Paul supporters. :) Kudo's x10000

i.e. my faith in Ron Paul never dimmed, but being on here for a month... the scary side of supporting Ron Paul has come to light.

Enzo
01-26-2008, 02:32 AM
all vegans need to stop in luling, tx for some delicious b-b-q....

it'll be the end of your vegeanity.

City Market...

TheTyke
01-26-2008, 04:00 AM
Hehe... Dr. Paul eats salads and chocolate chip cookies! Not sure if that's his exclusive diet, but that's all I've heard of :D

I'm kinda a vegetarian at heart, but not in practice. I'm cheap, and lazy, so that kind of diet would be hard for me to uphold - but if I think about where meat comes from it makes me rather ill :o

Gammerus
01-26-2008, 06:11 AM
I was sad to hear Kucinich go, he was my second choice after Paul. Not to sound artifical but I am also a bike riding peace loving...Ovo-Lacto Vegetarian

I can only hope that there are also some Kucinich people will to look at Pauls
pro-peace stance and basic love of freedom.

trout007
01-26-2008, 09:17 AM
This is really heart warming. The main reason I am a Libertarian is becuase of my views on live and let live. It's the let live part that people have trouble with. I have no problem with vegans. But when some vegans try using the force of government to force their views on me I have a problem. I am Catholic. But when politicians use the force of government to force Christian views of sexual morality on other people I have a problem. If we all can learn to tolerate behavior we find disturbing as long as it is non-violent we will find out we have a lot more in common.

One other think for Kucinich Supporters. I know the libertarian economic message can seem scary and uncaring. As you read through here I hope you realize we care about the poor and those with health problems just as much as you do. We just differ on how to fix it. I don't want to sound insulting but I don't see how you can trust the same government that started the Iraq War, arrived a in New Orleans after Katrina, and the War on Drugs with healthcare and helping the poor. Again one thing to realize is that for many of us we are just talking about the Federal Government's role. State governments can do mostly what they want. The benefit is that the state governments are much closer to the people. Put it this way how many times do you hear on the National News how the federal government is improving things in Montana or Ohio? Never. So if more control is at the state those local news outlets can be much more focused on your particular problems.

Anyway enough of a rant. Nice to have you here. Just know that Ron Paul is the only one that will change the foreign policy. He won't be able to make the economic changes you fear without Congress so we can save that discussion for another day.


Peace...

DFF
01-26-2008, 09:26 AM
Kucinich was the only one on the Democrat side not full of B.S. - like somebody else we know on the Republican side.

And like somebody else, the MSM tried, for different reasons, labeling him a "nut" because he claimed he'd seen a UFO.

Hell, Jimmy Carter while in office said he saw a UFO.

Nobody says Jimmy Carter's nuts and 14% of American's claim they have seen a UFO and 50% or more believe in UFO's and that they're of extraterrestrial origin.

So when you take these facts into account; that brush they painted DK with was absolutely ludicrous.

Nic4Truth
01-26-2008, 10:02 AM
Hey there- nice to have you! While im not vegan or vegetarian, I respect your choice. I am a supporter of the Genotype diet (dont flame me bro ;), and feel for some people, a more vegetarian lifestyle makes sense and has some science behind it to boot, but since I am a type "O" Hunter, i need my meat ;).... Anyhow, your welcome here! My husband and I both really always enjoy and respect Kucinich, his views and some similarities to Dr. Paul. ps- I never knew what nutritional yeast was, until it was mentioned as a "beneficial food" for me. I still haven't tried it, sounds really icky.

wortguy
01-26-2008, 10:46 AM
While I am not a Vegan nor do I wish to be, I have cooked for them recently and it was some of the best food I made. (for those interested a portabello mushroom meatless fajita, also free of some common marinade sources)


poor mushrooms!:eek:

Thumper
01-26-2008, 10:56 AM
all vegans need to stop in luling, tx for some delicious b-b-q....

it'll be the end of your vegeanity.


Black's BBQ??

Sorry, don't mean to hijack or be disrespectful to our vegan brothers and sisters. ;)

affa
01-26-2008, 11:22 AM
. ps- I never knew what nutritional yeast was, until it was mentioned as a "beneficial food" for me. I still haven't tried it, sounds really icky.

Hah - it sounds TERRIBLE. It's like it won the award for 'worst health food name ever', losing out by a hair to 'hummus' and 'tofu'. I know. But it's actually quite yummy - I highly recommend trying it on toast or a bagel. My love was scared to death of it (despite being vegan herself) until she finally took a bite of my toast. Now she loves it more than I do. Some people also like to put it on their pasta (not me).

1776Patriot
01-26-2008, 07:58 PM
I am a conservative, meat eating, non drug using, pro life, christian, pickup driving, confederate flag toting, south loving man (some say redneck lol) and I would gladly call you pro choice,liberal,vegan,athiest,hybrid driving, sometimes drug using folks my friends and brother and sister in liberty any day over these other idiots we have running the country. Before all of this I NEVER in a million years would have guessed I would have so much in common with you guys but I do and I thank God for showing me how to fight a revolution even with those I do not always agree with :-)

GROUP HUG FOR RON PAUL :D

I'm a anarcho-Libertarian, vegetarian, Christian, Confederate flag and Betsy Ross flag waiving, against drugs, pro-life, gun owner. Loved Kucinich and Ron Paul and love the Paul supporters looking into decentralist politics and "Beyond Left and Right" (google it) politics. I support the educated Paleo-Left just as I would the Paleo-Conservative Right and realise both have been hijacked.

"The new politics of America is liberty from the NWO Police State and nothing more....The New American Patriot will be neither left nor right, just a freeman fighting for liberty. New alliances will form between those who have in the past thought of themselves as 'right-wingers,' conservatives and patriots, with those who have thought of themselves as 'left-wingers,' progressives, or just 'liberal.'

A new dawn is breaking upon the American political scene. The old words of divide and conquer will come to mean less and less to thinking people. There will be no meaningful differences between those who want freedom. But rather, just "Americans" who want to be free and are fighting the Police State to gain that freedom.

Wake up and smell the tear gas, freedom is calling its sons and daughters.("Neither Left Nor Right" - Louis Beam)

steph3n
01-26-2008, 08:05 PM
poor mushrooms!:eek:

yummy shrooms :D

P Campbell
01-26-2008, 09:38 PM
Nobody says Jimmy Carter's nuts...

I do:D

affa
01-27-2008, 12:40 AM
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affa
01-27-2008, 12:50 AM
Rock on. We have both so much and so little in common. It's good to be united for this. I'm anarcho-syndicalist... and I'm still a little in shock that I could support two (maybe even three, actually) different people for president in a single election cycle. Of course, that's partly due to the sad state of affairs our gov't is in and I value ending tyranny and empire over theoretical politics.

1776Patriot
01-27-2008, 02:43 PM
Rock on. We have both so much and so little in common. It's good to be united for this. I'm anarcho-syndicalist... and I'm still a little in shock that I could support two (maybe even three, actually) different people for president in a single election cycle. Of course, that's partly due to the sad state of affairs our gov't is in and I value ending tyranny and empire over theoretical politics.


Likewise. I have similar views too. I support Keith Preston's Attack The System.com group. Others not familiar with such views may recognise Keith Preston as one who has written the four part anarcho/libertarian series for Lew Rockwell called "In Defense of Ron Paul" which were phenomenal! Left and right uniting for freedom - as it should be!

steph3n
01-28-2008, 10:12 AM
Hah - it sounds TERRIBLE. It's like it won the award for 'worst health food name ever', losing out by a hair to 'hummus' and 'tofu'. I know. But it's actually quite yummy - I highly recommend trying it on toast or a bagel. My love was scared to death of it (despite being vegan herself) until she finally took a bite of my toast. Now she loves it more than I do. Some people also like to put it on their pasta (not me).

wow it is like dried vegemite the worst stuff ever made!

raiha
01-28-2008, 12:44 PM
Hey there Affa that was fantastic what you wrote. We're coming out of the woodwork now...I'm a vegetarian, bike-riding etc, etc. I think the hatred between liberal and conservative has been socially engineered y'know. divide and rule and all that.
I could not believe it when i first encountered it in this country. You are almost afraid to say the words love and compassion because that would mean you are a communist. It veers towards the Machiavellian way too much. Ron Paul is the great unifier!
And I loooove Kucinich too.

affa
01-30-2008, 12:16 PM
Hey there Affa that was fantastic what you wrote. We're coming out of the woodwork now...I'm a vegetarian, bike-riding etc, etc. I think the hatred between liberal and conservative has been socially engineered y'know. divide and rule and all that.
I could not believe it when i first encountered it in this country. You are almost afraid to say the words love and compassion because that would mean you are a communist. It veers towards the Machiavellian way too much. Ron Paul is the great unifier!
And I loooove Kucinich too.

We've definitely been conditioned to hate 'the other', be it an opposing sports team or political party. I've long noticed that the left/right division was an illusion - it's actually a circle.

One thing the Ron Paul revolution has done is to unify that circle - there are posts in this very thread, for example, where we can see people coming together that wouldn't have even though to exchange words one year ago.

This is beautiful.

Peace is powerful.

LABELtheTRAITOR
01-30-2008, 02:25 PM
welcome, fellow Vegan Warrior!!!

1776Patriot
01-30-2008, 11:44 PM
Looks like the veggie support for Paul is growing :D Awesome!

affa
01-31-2008, 01:14 PM
Looks like the veggie support for Paul is growing :D Awesome!

And it will continue to grow. I hate to break it down to something simple, but Ron Paul is the only candidate in the running who will end the war. I love Ron Paul for many more reasons than just this... but he's the only ethical vote left.

dvictr
01-31-2008, 01:30 PM
i feel that alot of people are vegetarian or vegan because they are scared of getting cancer... but it has been proven there is no correlation between a vegan diet and cancer risk..

the body processes proteins and carbohydrates the same way wheter or not its a potato or fish.



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affa
01-31-2008, 02:02 PM
i feel that alot of people are vegetarian or vegan because they are scared of getting cancer... but it has been proven there is no correlation between a vegan diet and cancer risk..

the body processes proteins and carbohydrates the same way wheter or not its a potato or fish.
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Umm.. as someone who is vegan, and lives in a city full of veggies and vegans and knows even more online, I can tell you I've never heard any of them give 'avoiding cancer' as their reason for being so. The two most common reasons (usually in parallel) are because they feel healthier and have ethical issues with eating meat.

CUnknown
01-31-2008, 04:39 PM
"The new politics of America is liberty from the NWO Police State and nothing more....The New American Patriot will be neither left nor right, just a freeman fighting for liberty. New alliances will form between those who have in the past thought of themselves as 'right-wingers,' conservatives and patriots, with those who have thought of themselves as 'left-wingers,' progressives, or just 'liberal.'

A new dawn is breaking upon the American political scene. The old words of divide and conquer will come to mean less and less to thinking people. There will be no meaningful differences between those who want freedom. But rather, just "Americans" who want to be free and are fighting the Police State to gain that freedom.

Wake up and smell the tear gas, freedom is calling its sons and daughters.("Neither Left Nor Right" - Louis Beam)

1776Patriot, I totally agree!

I think the "new alliance" of right and left is here now. And here to stay. Perhaps in an ideal world, we'd be political adversaries, but of course the world is far from ideal and the amazing thing is we -agree- for the most part on how to make it better! Once the Dems are nominating people like Kucinich or Nader and the Repubs are nominating people like Paul (or maybe Buchannan), we'll know we've acheived VICTORY.

When that happens, we can go back to arguing about health care or affirmative action or something and our alliance will have broken up. But to argue about that stuff now, it'd be like arguing about the color of a car we want to drive off a cliff! The Democrats and the neo-Cons are driving this country into the GROUND. Unless we stop them.

So, I join with my conservative brothers and sisters in liberty to save the country!

1776Patriot
01-31-2008, 05:12 PM
Umm.. as someone who is vegan, and lives in a city full of veggies and vegans and knows even more online, I can tell you I've never heard any of them give 'avoiding cancer' as their reason for being so. The two most common reasons (usually in parallel) are because they feel healthier and have ethical issues with eating meat.

Mine started out as health concerns, but the more I looked into it that became less of an issue. It was more the ethical concerns with treatment of animals and the likes that drove me to such. In other words - yeah - I saw one too many PETA videos honestly and that was enough for me.

raiha
01-31-2008, 05:20 PM
Originally Posted by jdmyprez_deo_vindice
I am a conservative, meat eating, non drug using, pro life, christian, pickup driving, confederate flag toting, south loving man (some say redneck lol) and I would gladly call you pro choice,liberal,vegan,athiest,hybrid driving, sometimes drug using folks my friends and brother and sister in liberty any day over these other idiots we have running the country. Before all of this I NEVER in a million years would have guessed I would have so much in common with you guys but I do and I thank God for showing me how to fight a revolution even with those I do not always agree with :-)

GROUP HUG FOR RON PAUL
I'm a confederate flag totin' vegetarian Buddhist Paultard. Go figure. :D

thuja
01-31-2008, 07:06 PM
i feel that alot of people are vegetarian or vegan because they are scared of getting cancer... but it has been proven there is no correlation between a vegan diet and cancer risk..

the body processes proteins and carbohydrates the same way wheter or not its a potato or fish.



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that's strange, i hear all the time about cancer recoveries resulting from an all veg diet.

fredcamino
01-31-2008, 08:03 PM
I'm a meat-eating bike-riding car-free mass transit advocate atheist Downtown Los Angeles based South Park Conservative/Ron Paul Republican.

expatriot
01-31-2008, 10:58 PM
Not sure what I am but I support the Constitution and have a lot of time for you all,
whatever it is that you want to believe or disbelieve - In Freedom.

(This tent just got bigger)

Welcome to the r3VOLution

affa
02-03-2008, 06:51 PM
I think those people who understand each other here on this subforum need to start working together. Because right now it's up to the oldschool republicans to sway McCain, Romney, and Huckabee supporters to get us the nomination... but once we have it, it's up to us to convince Obama and Clinton supporters that, believe it or not, a Republican is actually the right person for the job. And it needs to come from us.

jmarinara
02-03-2008, 11:14 PM
The word 'socialist' gets thrown around like a knife here.

Well that's because it should be an insult. Being a socialist is down right un-american and socialism is the anti-thesis to freedom . . . no matter how much you want to dress it up.

Oh, and, btw, if you're picking the politicians you like based on their eating habits, that's just plain sad.

affa
02-04-2008, 02:46 AM
Well that's because it should be an insult. Being a socialist is down right un-american and socialism is the anti-thesis to freedom . . . no matter how much you want to dress it up.

Oh, and, btw, if you're picking the politicians you like based on their eating habits, that's just plain sad.

Did you even read my original post?

No? Didn't think so.

The fact of the matter is that despite your opinion of socialism that uses your definition of socialism, many people will come here thinking concepts like 'universal health care' are a positive, beautiful thing. Treating them the way you do does not help us OR them. You do not educate, you berate. It's like the two sides of the abortion coin - unable to communicate because they're arguing different arguments. For example, most people talking about universal health care are talking about an ethical point - that no one in need of health care should ever be turned away, whereas most people who are against it are making an economic/freedom point - that money should not be taken from one person against their will. Until miscommunication like this is solved, no progress can be made.

And your post is absolute proof of that. Stay out of the pro-Kucinich subforum, you aren't helping anything.

affa
02-07-2008, 06:25 PM
bumping this thread above the negative sounding ones.

Cholo
02-09-2008, 06:29 PM
I am a conservative, meat eating, non drug using, pro life, christian, pickup driving, confederate flag toting, south loving man (some say redneck lol) and I would gladly call you pro choice,liberal,vegan,athiest,hybrid driving, sometimes drug using folks my friends and brother and sister in liberty any day over these other idiots we have running the country. Before all of this I NEVER in a million years would have guessed I would have so much in common with you guys but I do and I thank God for showing me how to fight a revolution even with those I do not always agree with :-)

GROUP HUG FOR RON PAUL :D

:dancingbanana:! It's post like these and the OP that really make me love this. Like someone said (and I don't remember the exact quote), but ... "We need to quit voting Republican and Democrat and start voting American!"

affa
02-11-2008, 03:38 PM
:dancingbanana:! It's post like these and the OP that really make me love this. Like someone said (and I don't remember the exact quote), but ... "We need to quit voting Republican and Democrat and start voting American!"

Thanks!

And I wish there really was a dancing banana.

theczar1776
02-11-2008, 03:45 PM
wow, this thread brings light, into a see of darkness

kgiese
02-11-2008, 03:57 PM
Vegans kill plants! Plants are living organisms that are one with mother Earth. They are able to communicate through root systems and non verbal communication. Trees create wind by swaying back and forth. Uprooting and killing these living beings is a violent act against mother Nature. You probably rely on someone else to do all the dirty work for you. Like most people scavengers taking what is left after the kill. You can say I didn't kill it. But deep down you wanted it dead, so you could suck the remaining life force from it. You energy vampire. Admit it. Admit you are an energy vampire sucking life from all manner of creatures just to remain. Well, it didn't have eyes, mouth, ears, teeth, hair, and I couldn't communicate with it, so it was unintelligent. Blame...blame...blame others. Put yourself on the pedestal as you force life from everything around you. Serve yourself.

affa
02-11-2008, 09:36 PM
Vegans kill plants! Plants are living organisms that are one with mother Earth. They are able to communicate through root systems and non verbal communication. Trees create wind by swaying back and forth. Uprooting and killing these living beings is a violent act against mother Nature. You probably rely on someone else to do all the dirty work for you. Like most people scavengers taking what is left after the kill. You can say I didn't kill it. But deep down you wanted it dead, so you could suck the remaining life force from it. You energy vampire. Admit it. Admit you are an energy vampire sucking life from all manner of creatures just to remain. Well, it didn't have eyes, mouth, ears, teeth, hair, and I couldn't communicate with it, so it was unintelligent. Blame...blame...blame others. Put yourself on the pedestal as you force life from everything around you. Serve yourself.

I think you misunderstand veganism. But hey, have a great day!

Ron Paul Vermont
08-18-2008, 05:05 PM
all vegans need to stop in luling, tx for some delicious b-b-q....

it'll be the end of your vegeanity.

Here! Here! Venison =))))))))):D

Alex Libman
08-19-2008, 03:54 AM
I went vegan for like a month once. My balls nearly fell off.

dannno
08-19-2008, 11:52 AM
I went vegan for like a month once. My balls nearly fell off.

You probably didn't do it right.

It's a lot more difficult than one might imagine.

acptulsa
08-19-2008, 12:20 PM
Thanks!

And I wish there really was a dancing banana.

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