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wortguy
01-24-2008, 09:37 PM
Freedom!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol

WilliamC
01-24-2008, 09:37 PM
Ron Got the Applause!

Wolverine
01-24-2008, 09:37 PM
didn't Ron Paul Get The Most Applauses?

mongoose
01-24-2008, 09:37 PM
No text vote this time I guess.

webber53
01-24-2008, 09:37 PM
And if Paul had any smarts/tact.. he'd say as much.. right into the camera

That is exactly what I have been saying. Paul should scream at the top of his lungs that this debate is a preposterous sham to eliminate his opinions and voice from the American debate. He should steal the show and ask them why he has been shunned! He should stop this debate in it's tracks and accuse them of facism.
No time for me and my viewing and voting public. He misused his time as far as I'm concerned.

Alvination
01-24-2008, 09:37 PM
WOO RON PAUL

I hope part of what I learned as a psych major rings true. That the recency effect can work sometimes, meaning that Ron Paul being last will have a good effect and linger on the audience.

SML
01-24-2008, 09:37 PM
Thank you audience.

yongrel
01-24-2008, 09:37 PM
Ron Paul owned the last question.

specsaregood
01-24-2008, 09:38 PM
Ron Paul closed with a winner.

The1dle
01-24-2008, 09:38 PM
It's half past 4 AM here...not easy to stay awake, quite a yawn fest. But the whisper woke me slightly, will look forward to many clips of it tomorrow :p


----

That RP response made it quite worth it though. :D

MadViking10
01-24-2008, 09:38 PM
RP should have said your damn right I'm going to run 3rd party. You fuckers are crazy !!!

pathis
01-24-2008, 09:38 PM
Im not sure, but I dont think Ron shook Gulianis Hand?

PRIEST
01-24-2008, 09:38 PM
Ron Paul finished strong but I doubt anyone was still watching. Worst "debate" so far.

Marceline88
01-24-2008, 09:38 PM
Hahahaha, somebody from our camp just yelled RON PAUL......gotta love our nutty buddies in the field. Sweet.

justatrey
01-24-2008, 09:38 PM
Well, at least we got the last question, and I thought he nailed it.

Final # of questions, assuming I didn't miss any:

Romney: 10 full, 1 30 sec
McCain: 10 full, 1 30 sec, 1 15 sec
9iu11ani: 9 full, 1 30 sec
Huckabee: 6 full, 1 30 sec
Paul: 3 full, 2 30 sec

Paulitical Correctness
01-24-2008, 09:38 PM
Is it just me, or could his responses have been a wee bit better?

He didn't answer the "unelectable" question aggressively enough.

Imo.

Pingwin
01-24-2008, 09:38 PM
Great job MSNBC - You took something would should have been great and made it as boring and stupid as NBCs coverage of the Olympics - How very, very, sad.

WilliamC
01-24-2008, 09:38 PM
Ok, tomorrow I'll look forward to Ron Paul's part in this debate on YouTube.

All 4 minutes of it :mad:

SimpleName
01-24-2008, 09:39 PM
I love the adamant Ron Paul supporters in the audience! They should have kept booing during the other candidates' responses. Paul aced the question in the end. I think he got motivated by his own speaking.

brheath
01-24-2008, 09:39 PM
Great Last Answer!

I stayed up until 4:45am (I'm in Europe), and everything was worth it for that last 60 second response.

Way to go Ron Paul, and I think that last answer outlined what he's trying to do with this campaign.

Yay!

ihsv
01-24-2008, 09:39 PM
The power of the establishment at work. Makes me sick to my stomach that so many traitors have such power over the American citizenry.

RonKo
01-24-2008, 09:39 PM
This was the sorriest debate I've ever seen. They should have just handed the mic to Romney and told the others to take a hike. It's a sad day in America if this is how most us get our content.

Bilgefisher
01-24-2008, 09:39 PM
Debate sucked, but Ron closed well.

Gadsden Flag
01-24-2008, 09:40 PM
That is exactly what I have been saying. Paul should scream at the top of his lungs that this debate is a preposterous sham to eliminate his opinions and voice from the American debate. He should steal the show and ask them why he has been shunned! He should stop this debate in it's tracks and accuse them of facism.
No time for me and my viewing and voting public. He misused his time as far as I'm concerned.

Mike Gravel did this in the Youtube democrats debate. It didn't come across nearly as cool as it seems it would. In fact, he ended up looking rather childish.

SML
01-24-2008, 09:40 PM
It was an ugly debate no matter how you care to look at it.

The Ron Paul campaign is, ultimately, us. We have to take him to the streets. We have to put in the face time. We need to put fliers inside the tax return forms.

PatriotG
01-24-2008, 09:40 PM
good night my friends
I am going to put a Mitt Romney mask on the dog and kick him!

See you tomorrow

barbz
01-24-2008, 09:40 PM
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Snnnnnnnnnnnnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Pppppppppppppppppppp!

qft

RCRanger03
01-24-2008, 09:40 PM
well youtubers lets get exactly how much airtime and how many questions RP got in comparison to everyone else. Its got to be astounding

justatrey
01-24-2008, 09:40 PM
Spread this far and wide.

MSNBC = FOX

Romney: 10 full, 1 30 sec
McCain: 10 full, 1 30 sec, 1 15 sec
9iu11ani: 9 full, 1 30 sec
Huckabee: 6 full, 1 30 sec
Paul: 3 full, 2 30 sec

phill4paul
01-24-2008, 09:41 PM
RP should have said your damn right I'm going to run 3rd party. You fuckers are crazy !!!

LOL. Man I'm sorry usually I'm pretty serious..but that image in my head...:D:D:D

slydecix
01-24-2008, 09:41 PM
Final # of questions, assuming I didn't miss any:

Romney: 10 full, 1 30 sec
McCain: 10 full, 1 30 sec, 1 15 sec
9iu11ani: 9 full, 1 30 sec
Huckabee: 6 full, 1 30 sec
Paul: 3 full, 2 30 sec

This seems to match the polls...

rightobeleftalone
01-24-2008, 09:41 PM
good closing remarks Ron. the gop is wasting away and they reject us. idiots. hillary the next pres. and bill back in the white house. i guess the people will get what they deserve.

1000-points-of-fright
01-24-2008, 09:41 PM
I saw that last question as more of a party loyalty question than a 3rd party run question and he turned it around well by questioning the party's loyalty to the GOP platform.

killatop
01-24-2008, 09:41 PM
Nobody watched this stupid debate.... I would have never known it was on... It's on MSNBC which is channel 200 or something...I never make it that far up. No way I would have watched the whole thing had not been Paul Supoorter.

Ibtz
01-24-2008, 09:41 PM
The Republican party has lost its way, and I have lost my mind (after watching this debacle).

ajuggalossickness
01-24-2008, 09:41 PM
ron is right i really wish i could be accepted as a republican but atleast i have no party to belong to. the republicans hate us i hate the dems. the libertarian cant seem to get there shit togethor. ron needs to solidify a new party of existing one. so we can have a voice. Go 3Rd RON we need you

ecliptic
01-24-2008, 09:41 PM
This is total bullshit, MSNBC has just been added to my shit list & taken the #1 spot behind Faux.

... it's time to boycott all MainSleaze Media. For the long haul.

Here's a "pick-me-up" - click here (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/polls/) to vote:

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4820/picture85bl9.png (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/polls/former_poll.asp?POLL_ID=2541)

MAGICKAL
01-24-2008, 09:41 PM
RP should have said your damn right I'm going to run 3rd party. You fuckers are crazy !!!

LOL

braeden0613
01-24-2008, 09:41 PM
Great Last Answer!

I stayed up until 4:45am (I'm in Europe), and everything was worth it for that last 60 second response.

Way to go Ron Paul, and I think that last answer outlined what he's trying to do with this campaign.

Yay!
now thats devotion!!

dawnbt
01-24-2008, 09:41 PM
I don't even know what the question meant.

Is it me?

NO, I had no idea either. However, he may have just got more Economic Professors endorsements.

thegr8drronpaul
01-24-2008, 09:42 PM
I just hope they didn't end with Ron so that it would be easier to edit him out this time (since we're onto them now)

MGreen
01-24-2008, 09:42 PM
Wow, the political analysts at NBC are brilliant. After giving Romney the most time to talk, they declare him the winner!

squandertime
01-24-2008, 09:42 PM
mitt romney kiss kiss kisss......
how many times will they tell the sheeple "mitt romney"

romney will not be able to stand up to shillery. she will shred him joyuosly...........

redzone
01-24-2008, 09:42 PM
This was the sorriest debate I've ever seen. They should have just handed the mic to Romney and told the others to take a hike. It's a sad day in America if this is how most us get our content.

The "M" in msnbc must stand for Mitt.

Nic4Truth
01-24-2008, 09:42 PM
I just wish they would start asking original questions. what a waste. bla bla. Ron rocked the last question. Night all!

Crowish
01-24-2008, 09:42 PM
good night my friends
I am going to put a Mitt Romney mask on the dog and kick him!

See you tomorrow


No -- in the true Romney spirit you should strap the dog to the top of your car and drive him around until "brown liquid runs down the back of your rear window."

mikeInAZ
01-24-2008, 09:43 PM
damn it he said "we" started the wars - instead of neo-con agenda started it....

i DO friggin wih they would work with him on his speaking!!!!!!!!!!!

o-well............

I agree. It's frustrating as hell. He kind of wasted that perfect opportunity to end the debate with a strong message why he's the candidate to elect.

alien
01-24-2008, 09:43 PM
good night my friends
I am going to put a Mitt Romney mask on the dog and kick him!

See you tomorrow

That's not even funny!

The Machine
01-24-2008, 09:43 PM
Now we get to vomit listening to the media monkeys explain to the viewers what they just watched...I need a good purge after getting a belly full of this bullshit called a debate.

webber53
01-24-2008, 09:43 PM
now thats devotion!!

Bless you Bro!

ihsv
01-24-2008, 09:43 PM
Didn't Mitt just buy MSNBC? :)

fmontez
01-24-2008, 09:44 PM
Paul was getting his arse handed to him the whole debate, and then out of no where he knocks the last question out the park!

It appealed to the crowd; to the other candidates… it is super clear now that Dr. Paul’s goal is to re-energize the GOP.

He knows he will not be our next President, and he has put an end to the fear of a 3rd Party run! He reached out the GOP base and I think he has succeeded. For me the REVOLUTION just had its first Major victory.

squandertime
01-24-2008, 09:44 PM
huck is such a ham i knew he would be the first to be interviewd- hell he didnt even leave the stage yet!!!

OhioMichael
01-24-2008, 09:44 PM
Was that just Huckabee's whisper?

OhioMichael
01-24-2008, 09:45 PM
This whole thing is JV. I have lost a lot of respect for Russert.

MAGICKAL
01-24-2008, 09:45 PM
Spread this far and wide.

MSNBC = FOX

Romney: 10 full, 1 30 sec
McCain: 10 full, 1 30 sec, 1 15 sec
9iu11ani: 9 full, 1 30 sec
Huckabee: 6 full, 1 30 sec
Paul: 3 full, 2 30 sec

Bullshit pure bullshit.

alien
01-24-2008, 09:46 PM
Paul was getting his arse handed to him the whole debate, and then out of no where he knocks the last question out the park!

It appealed to the crowd; to the other candidates… it is super clear now that Dr. Paul’s goal is to re-energize the GOP.

He knows he will not be our next President, and he has put an end to the fear of a 3rd Party run! He reached out the GOP base and I think he has succeeded. For me the REVOLUTION just had its first Major victory.

He just came in second in two states! Why the hell are people still saying that he can't win. And on our board. Leave already!

hypnagogue
01-24-2008, 09:46 PM
Terrible debate. Ron's question is going to get zero traction with 99% of the people watching. In fact, they'll probably think he's "weird" for bringing it up.

Ron received practically no opportunities to answer the substantial questions. He should have made more of his chance to discuss the wisdom of the Iraq war. I can't believe he didn't mention that he has voted against it in every form from the very beginning.

He's gotten good at answering that "will you run 3rd party" question though. No doubt because he has to answer it daily.

I'm afraid I must conclude Ron is not a great public speaker. He may be wise, intelligent, and honest, but when you put him on the spot, it doesn't always come out well. It's frustrating.

HOLLYWOOD
01-24-2008, 09:47 PM
HUCKABEE states to Chris Mathews after debate questions on the WMDs in IRAQ...

That they may have gone to JORDAN!


Jordan the AMERICAN ALLIE? IDIOT!!!

reaver
01-24-2008, 09:47 PM
This was the sorriest debate I've ever seen. They should have just handed the mic to Romney and told the others to take a hike. It's a sad day in America if this is how most us get our content.

I agree completely. 100%

OhioMichael
01-24-2008, 09:47 PM
They gave a ton of time to Guilianni... also, they gave Huckster a reach around with the after debate interview. Paul got nothing!!!!!!!!!!

reaver
01-24-2008, 09:48 PM
HUCKABEE states to Chris Mathews after debate questions on the WMDs in IRAQ...

That they may have gone to JORDAN!


Jordan the AMERICAN ALLIE? IDIOT!!!

shows how knowledgable he is. There were satellite images tracing the 'wmd equipment' to syria. (while we were occupying bagdhad!)

Pingwin
01-24-2008, 09:49 PM
+1 point for Russert - he said "all the republicans except Ron Paul" in post debate discussions - we do exist!

squandertime
01-24-2008, 09:49 PM
again if youre mad- go be a precint leader!!!

https://voters.ronpaul2008.com/grassroots/signup.php

OhioMichael
01-24-2008, 09:50 PM
9u11iani gets a post-debate interview. Sickening...

AtomiC
01-24-2008, 09:50 PM
This was obviously a biased debate against Ron Paul.

The people in charge obviously realize if people heard Ron Paul he would be a major threat to the GOP and the establishment.

OhioMichael
01-24-2008, 09:51 PM
+1 point for Russert - he said "all the republicans except Ron Paul" in post debate discussions - we do exist!

It isn't exactly equal treatment. Has the doctor gotten a post-debate interview?

squandertime
01-24-2008, 09:52 PM
thank you matthews for asking rudy right now about the 2nd adm

LynnB
01-24-2008, 09:52 PM
I AGREE! He showed great self-control, was extremely concise, and hit his points dead on...I thought it was great. The other candidates, besides Flip-Flop Romney, looked like sick puppies.
Although, watching the post-debate discussion, matthews and scarborough were having romney-gasms and Russert was the only one to really nail the one factor that is going to be a huge factor, and that is that Paul is the only one in line with the American public in opposing the war.

squandertime
01-24-2008, 09:52 PM
there are restrictions!! (not)

yes give everyone a gun!!!!

exactly!!! duh

ihsv
01-24-2008, 09:53 PM
I'm going to bed. Should have gone to bed at 9:00 like a normally do. That debate was a complete waste of time.

One day, America will again re-learn the lost art of critical thinking. So long as people have their bread and circuses, they will behave like pigs and sheep being led to the slaughter. The time is coming, very shortly I'm afraid, when the "amusement society" we live in will have a very rude awakening.

squandertime
01-24-2008, 09:54 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22830366/

vote!!!!!!!!!

tsopranos
01-24-2008, 09:54 PM
He just came in second in two states! Why the hell are people still saying that he can't win. And on our board. Leave already!

Because they are trolls. Ignore them.

RollOn2day
01-24-2008, 09:55 PM
Paul was getting his arse handed to him the whole debate, and then out of no where he knocks the last question out the park!

It appealed to the crowd; to the other candidates… it is super clear now that Dr. Paul’s goal is to re-energize the GOP.

He knows he will not be our next President, and he has put an end to the fear of a 3rd Party run! He reached out the GOP base and I think he has succeeded. For me the REVOLUTION just had its first Major victory.

He knows he will not be our next President....as a Republican.

The only victory will be with a third party run. He should have said..."They have a good reason to be afraid. They should be very afraid."

But the time is not right.....yet.

MadViking10
01-24-2008, 09:56 PM
there are restrictions!! (not)

yes give everyone a gun!!!!

exactly!!! duh


I for one, don't own a gun. At the end of the day tomorrow I will own a handgun for home protection. I will then own at least four more in the next 5 weeks. I plan to get the following ...

handgun..if youre right up on me.

shot gun if your near me.

Rifle if your in my area.

A good sniper rifle if your anywhere near me.

and you know the next one.

We are absolutely fucked.

StarKissed
01-24-2008, 09:56 PM
Maybe you guys can look at this a little differently. A lot of the questions for the other candidates let the viewers see how undesirable they are.

Dr. Paul's question to McCain, will intrigue the financial experts and when they start putting down McCain, people will notice.

Just a thought. Things have happened in this campaign that we thought would harm, and look where we're at now. Keep your chins up. Let's see what the write-ups will be tomorrow morning.

Crowish
01-24-2008, 09:56 PM
Didn't Mitt just buy MSNBC? :)

Clear Channel.

MSNBC is owned by General Electric.

kyleAF
01-24-2008, 09:57 PM
Going grocery shopping. I trust everyone will take notes...

MadViking10
01-24-2008, 09:58 PM
Maybe you guys can look at this a little differently. A lot of the questions for the other candidates let the viewers see how undesirable they are.

Dr. Paul's question to McCain, will intrigue the financial experts and when they start putting down McCain, people will notice.

Just a thought. Things have happened in this campaign that we thought would harm, and look where we're at now. Keep your chins up. Let's see what the write-ups will be tomorrow morning.


Psssssssssst... There will be no write ups about Ron Paul. Wake up.

Sey.Naci
01-24-2008, 09:59 PM
Liked RP's last answer. Though no one laughed - perhaps they didn't get it -, it was cheeky of him to suggest that perhaps they SHOULD be worried about his maybe going 3rd party. "It might keep them on their toes." Cute!

Dave Wood
01-24-2008, 10:01 PM
He knows he will not be our next President....as a Republican.

The only victory will be with a third party run. He should have said..."They have a good reason to be afraid. They should be very afraid."

But the time is not right.....yet.

What is wrong with you and Montez??????????? You are so wrong! 3rd party=waste of time and money.

Something is wrong with both of you...."he knows he wont be the next president" wtf.

I believe you two need to be posting somewhere else.

ecliptic
01-24-2008, 10:01 PM
Vote (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/polls/index.asp)... in today's poll:

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3126/picture86dh1.png (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/polls/index.asp?VIEW_RESULTS=Y)

I'd choose Ron Paul.

wfd40
01-24-2008, 10:02 PM
why didnt Paul call any of these guys out tonight?? Like, name them.. say how they are wrong or not conservative with an example.. then say how he does it the conservative way??

seriously wtf

RollOn2day
01-24-2008, 10:06 PM
What is wrong with you and Montez??????????? You are so wrong! 3rd party=waste of time and money.

Something is wrong with both of you...."he knows he wont be the next president" wtf.

I believe you two need to be posting somewhere else.

Pahleeze! What are you saying? If we are both wrong then what does that leave?

As far as posting somewhere else I'm hoping that I am in good company to actually want an opportunity to vote for Ron in November.

Or is this forum only for people who would support Ron Paul as a Republican?

Pingwin
01-24-2008, 10:07 PM
Dollar dropped another 1% - just today. Imagine if everyone woke up tomorrow and found that someone had stolen 1% of their piggy bank, or bank account, or stock portfolio - or dinged their car door. People would be enraged and standing out with their neighbors discussing the "great theft of 24 Jan" - and yet - it was quiet, nothing happened, there was no cocaine on that $20 bill...

CRAP! I'm going to bed. Thank you for hearing my vent.

micheshi
01-24-2008, 10:11 PM
Didn't Mitt just buy MSNBC? :)

Trying to get Clear Channel.

camped69
01-24-2008, 10:12 PM
Maybe you guys can look at this a little differently. A lot of the questions for the other candidates let the viewers see how undesirable they are.

Dr. Paul's question to McCain, will intrigue the financial experts and when they start putting down McCain, people will notice.

Just a thought. Things have happened in this campaign that we thought would harm, and look where we're at now. Keep your chins up. Let's see what the write-ups will be tomorrow morning.

Good point about the questions exposing the other candidates. Tough questions. I could have done without the Romney hour though. He did show his true colors as did the other 4 dead horses.


Paul.........the ninjaprophet:D

rprprs
01-24-2008, 10:13 PM
Terrible debate. Ron's question is going to get zero traction with 99% of the people watching. In fact, they'll probably think he's "weird" for bringing it up.

Ron received practically no opportunities to answer the substantial questions. He should have made more of his chance to discuss the wisdom of the Iraq war. I can't believe he didn't mention that he has voted against it in every form from the very beginning.

He's gotten good at answering that "will you run 3rd party" question though. No doubt because he has to answer it daily.

I'm afraid I must conclude Ron is not a great public speaker. He may be wise, intelligent, and honest, but when you put him on the spot, it doesn't always come out well. It's frustrating.

It pains me to agree... and I mean it REALLY pains me! I am with Ron on 100 percent of his ideas and ideals. I will be with him to the end and no one is more incensed at the attempts to marginalize his candidacy than I am. I am just saddened that he is not better at articulating his positions in debates or taking advantage of what little opportunity is afforded him.

snaFU
01-24-2008, 10:13 PM
Pahleeze! What are you saying? If we are both wrong then what does that leave?

As far as posting somewhere else I'm hoping that I am in good company to actually want an opportunity to vote for Ron in November.

Or is this forum only for people who would support Ron Paul as a Republican?

you have to understand that anyone with a little common sense knows third party candidates have no chance.

HOLLYWOOD
01-24-2008, 10:13 PM
ANYONE have the TOTALS in questions and answering times?

Pingwin
01-24-2008, 10:14 PM
cell phone vote: 622639 text 4 to vote for ron paul on msnbc

The Machine
01-24-2008, 10:15 PM
why didnt Paul call any of these guys out tonight?? Like, name them.. say how they are wrong or not conservative with an example.. then say how he does it the conservative way??

seriously wtf

Things that make you say--hmmm!

DAFTEK
01-24-2008, 10:18 PM
cell phone vote: 622639 text 4 to vote for ron paul on msnbc

:cool: Lets destroy it :D

MooCowzRock
01-24-2008, 10:20 PM
His answers were great...but he didnt shine, because he didnt go on the offensive, and wasnt aggressive with his answers...I dont see a bounce at all from this debate...

fmontez
01-24-2008, 10:24 PM
Pahleeze! What are you saying? If we are both wrong then what does that leave?

As far as posting somewhere else I'm hoping that I am in good company to actually want an opportunity to vote for Ron in November.

Or is this forum only for people who would support Ron Paul as a Republican?

We are being attacked for repeating what Dr. Paul has said. I am very happy with the debate, I think Dr. Paul won this debate, because he has managed to bring a small group of people (us) back into a major party. Would we rather lose the nomination, cost the GOP the election, and deliver our nation into the hands of Marxists... or would we rather change the GOP platform to a more pro-Constitution one?

Dr. Paul has said it over and over, and now he has put it in stone, he is not running 3rd Party.. .he is a Republican, and he aims to change the Republican party. I don't get why everyone acts like that is a "bad" thing or that we are not RP supporters because we listen to Dr. Paul.

It is SO frustrating being attacked for being in Dr. Paul's party... if you don't like Republicans WHY THE HECK ARE YOU BACKING Ron PAUL?

RollOn2day
01-24-2008, 10:26 PM
you have to understand that anyone with a little common sense knows third party candidates have no chance.

Sorry for my lack of common sense but I will vote for Ron Paul under any circumstances. Would you vote for Ron Paul if he were running third party? or would "common sense" send your vote in another direction?

RollOn2day
01-24-2008, 10:35 PM
We are being attacked for repeating what Dr. Paul has said. I am very happy with the debate, I think Dr. Paul won this debate, because he has managed to bring a small group of people (us) back into a major party. Would we rather lose the nomination, cost the GOP the election, and deliver our nation into the hands of Marxists... or would we rather change the GOP platform to a more pro-Constitution one?

Dr. Paul has said it over and over, and now he has put it in stone, he is not running 3rd Party.. .he is a Republican, and he aims to change the Republican party. I don't get why everyone acts like that is a "bad" thing or that we are not RP supporters because we listen to Dr. Paul.

It is SO frustrating being attack for being in Dr. Paul's party... if you don't like Republcians WHY THE HECK ARE YOU BACKIGN Ron PAUL?


Because he doesn't act like any Republican I know. You are right that I do not like Republicans....or Democrats for that matter. I'm an independent spending money, campaigning for, and bringing the message of Ron Paul to everyone in my circle and every one I meet.

If you are for Ron Paul you are on the same side of the fence. I am not attacking you but there is nothing "set in stone". Move the GOP to be more pro-constitutional? I don't see it.

I'm truly sorry if this offends you but I am backing Ron Paul....not the Republican Party.

micheshi
01-24-2008, 10:45 PM
fmontez said, "
It is SO frustrating being attacked for being in Dr. Paul's party... if you don't like Republicans WHY THE HECK ARE YOU BACKING Ron PAUL?"

I'm not a Republican Party supporter. I'm a county chairman for the Libertarian Party. I recognize that Ron Paul is not a libertarian but he is the only person in the RP making libertarian sense. I back Ron Paul for the R party nomination but, because of my responsibility to the LP, will not be voting for him in the TX primary. I have gone on national TV to support Ron, donated the max amount to his campaign, blogged incessantly about how great he is, and allowed my image to be used in the calendar to support his campaign. In short, f the Republican Party, but long live Ron Paul and the idea of liberty.

If there are TX LP members here, I want to encourage them to think about how involved they wish to be in our convention process. If you don't go to meetings or wish to vote during our nomination process, please vote Ron Paul in the primary. If you want to be part of the LP convention process, do not vote in the primary, but throw every bit of support you can Ron Paul's way. Try to save some support for the LP though. In the end the goal is liberty and it really doesn't matter what letter the candidate has after his name.

alien
01-24-2008, 10:46 PM
:cool: Lets destroy it :D

How do you do it? Do you put 4 in the message or as the last digit for the text number?

tropicangela
01-24-2008, 10:54 PM
How do you do it? Do you put 4 in the message or as the last digit for the text number?

You put the number as the text address and then enter 4 as the message. I did it! MSNBC sent me a text reply back acknowledging receipt.

GunnyFreedom
01-24-2008, 11:02 PM
MSNBC never showed the results of the phone poll?

GunnyFreedom
01-24-2008, 11:24 PM
All that hype, and MSNBC never shows it?

grizzums
01-24-2008, 11:29 PM
We are being attacked for repeating what Dr. Paul has said. I am very happy with the debate, I think Dr. Paul won this debate, because he has managed to bring a small group of people (us) back into a major party. Would we rather lose the nomination, cost the GOP the election, and deliver our nation into the hands of Marxists... or would we rather change the GOP platform to a more pro-Constitution one?

Dr. Paul has said it over and over, and now he has put it in stone, he is not running 3rd Party.. .he is a Republican, and he aims to change the Republican party. I don't get why everyone acts like that is a "bad" thing or that we are not RP supporters because we listen to Dr. Paul.

It is SO frustrating being attacked for being in Dr. Paul's party... if you don't like Republicans WHY THE HECK ARE YOU BACKING Ron PAUL?

Why? Because Ron Paul represents what the Republican Party used to be. The party is not embracing him and lip service rhetoric by fake Conservatives doesn't mean that RP is changing anything. Ill believe it when I see the record to prove it. Until then, as I see the party mock and attempt to marginalize what could be their savior, I personally won't be happy...

I don't think RP should announce yet an intention to run third party, but I do believe that that time will come because I do not see the party all of a sudden changing course and accepting paul.

If the party continues to fight paul and he does not choose to go third party (if he does not get the nomination, or a position offer in another candidates ), first I think he would be doing a disservice to his loyal supporters, and second, I would then decide what id rather do...write pauls name in, or vote for a "marxist' as a protest to the fading rethuglican party. Probably the latter...at my own peril...that's just how disgusted I've become.

GunnyFreedom
01-25-2008, 12:01 AM
Why? Because Ron Paul represents what the Republican Party used to be. The party is not embracing him and lip service rhetoric by fake Conservatives doesn't mean that RP is changing anything. Ill believe it when I see the record to prove it. Until then, as I see the party mock and attempt to marginalize what could be their savior, I personally won't be happy...

I don't think RP should announce yet an intention to run third party, but I do believe that that time will come because I do not see the party all of a sudden changing course and accepting paul.

If the party continues to fight paul and he does not choose to go third party (if he does not get the nomination, or a position offer in another candidates ), first I think he would be doing a disservice to his loyal supporters, and second, I would then decide what id rather do...write pauls name in, or vote for a "marxist' as a protest to the fading rethuglican party. Probably the latter...at my own peril...that's just how disgusted I've become.

Hear here! If it must be done, t'is best t'were done quickly.

If Ron Paul is not elected President, then our nation will go down in flames. it's only a matter of how quickly. I, too, would be divided whether i should write his name in, or vote for the worst possible candidate to make the US crash as quickly as possible (so that we can get about the business of recovery)

fmontez
01-25-2008, 01:41 AM
Hear here! If it must be done, t'is best t'were done quickly.

If Ron Paul is not elected President, then our nation will go down in flames. it's only a matter of how quickly. I, too, would be divided whether i should write his name in, or vote for the worst possible candidate to make the US crash as quickly as possible (so that we can get about the business of recovery)

That is why you are a Hater! A very unethical, very twisted response. I would rather you move to Canada and leave TRUE Americans alone.

LibertyEagle
01-25-2008, 03:35 AM
It is SO frustrating being attacked for being in Dr. Paul's party... if you don't like Republicans WHY THE HECK ARE YOU BACKING Ron PAUL?

You seem to have your priorities backwards. In your mind, do you place your country first, or your political party?

As far as I am concerned, I have been a Republican the vast majority of my life, but I chose that because the Republican party used to stand for something. Today, that "something" has changed. It is no longer the party of limited government, states rights, fiscal responsibility and individual liberty. It has been overtaken by the very same type of big government socialists that exist on the other side of the aisle. They only differ in what they want to use big government force to cram down the throats of the American public.

Now, for your question. I support Ron Paul and have for over twenty years, because he IS the only candidate who espouses and has a voting record to prove that he will reinstate our Constitution and individual liberty, in our country. He just so happens to be a Republican. I would vote for him though, regardless of the party he was in.

I am a Goldwater-Conservative and I personally vote for the best candidate, regardless of something so nonsensical as a political party.

Thomas Paine
01-25-2008, 06:11 AM
too late to get serious now- its a yuk-yuk joke laugh time bec its over.

what he should do- is just unhook the mic and walk right off the front of the stage with his followers folling him out the door...........

Ron Paul and his supporters in the audience should pull this stunt at the next GOP debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8uCS9wcyQ4

integrity
01-25-2008, 10:19 AM
That is why you are a Hater! A very unethical, very twisted response. I would rather you move to Canada and leave TRUE Americans alone.

what a snotty person you are fmontez

GunnyFreedom
01-25-2008, 11:50 AM
That is why you are a Hater! A very unethical, very twisted response. I would rather you move to Canada and leave TRUE Americans alone.

And you are apparently incapable of basic reading comprehension. Do you not understand that if the process of crashing and burning is drawn out, it will become much worse and last much longer? Do you not comprehend that if *anybody* else running from either party gets elected, it spells destruction for our nation, simply a question of when?

I love my country. I joined the US Marines because I loved my country and was (and still am!) willing to lay down my life to defend her to this very day. But if my country is going to crash and burn anyway, then it is best to be done quickly and get over with so we can begin the process of recovery.

Is that really that hard to comprehend, or are you simply looking for excuses to hate people and posture yourself as 'superior' to the people you do not understand?

PatriotG
01-25-2008, 02:38 PM
That's not even funny!

Just for the record

I love my dog I would never kick him! LOL
What a crap Debate!