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MalcolmGandi
01-24-2008, 07:32 PM
http://youtube.com/markorodin
Watch his video series on vortex based mathematics. This kept me up all of last night, and I was messing around with the basic model for hours today, and this is so phenomenal, and yet so basic I can't believe no one saw it before. If this guy's theory gets out in the general public, we WILL have an unlimited source of energy. That's only one aspect, it's just mind-blowing to think of what can be done with this. Even if you're not good at math, you can easily understand the beauty and simplicity of his model. Wow. Is the human race ready for this?

Shink
01-24-2008, 07:46 PM
http://youtube.com/markorodin
Watch his video series on vortex based mathematics. This kept me up all of last night, and I was messing around with the basic model for hours today, and this is so phenomenal, and yet so basic I can't believe no one saw it before. If this guy's theory gets out in the general public, we WILL have an unlimited source of energy. That's only one aspect, it's just mind-blowing to think of what can be done with this. Even if you're not good at math, you can easily understand the beauty and simplicity of his model. Wow. Is the human race ready for this?

Uh...explain. I'll bookmark that stuff in hopes of seeing what he's getting at.

teleomorph
01-24-2008, 07:48 PM
This isn't THAT off topic. Energy sources is of prime socio-political concern.

Ever since Tesla figured out how to transmit unlimited free energy wirelessly there have dozens and dozens of physicists and engineers who have devised various free-energy generators using various sources from magnetic to water to saline to zero-point energy to cold fusion. All these inventions are suppressed and the inventors are often marginalized or assassinated.

People don't realize how deep the corruption and anti-humanitarian actions of the petrol-medico-pharmaceutical-military industrial complex really is.

It is an interesting question, whether we are ready for such things. But free information via the internet seems to be working for our overall advantage despite all the horrible things online.

Water, breathable air, sunlight are free commodities (well, maybe not water anymore) so why should energy be so restricted? It's everywhere and everything.

But you are right this is unrelated so we should bring this discussion to any of the many of science forums where these things are discussed.

check out this news site; http://freeenergynews.com/

here's a good documentary (there are many great documentaries and many terrible ones on this subject): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVAjgwy3a8

Xenophage
01-24-2008, 10:06 PM
Anybody who thinks there is "free energy" didn't pay attention to their physics professor's lecture on thermodynamics.

anarchy
01-25-2008, 06:00 AM
Anybody who thinks there is "free energy" didn't pay attention to their physics professor's lecture on thermodynamics.

You still haven't learned to realise that we might not know everything yet? Remember, the earth is flat..

LibertyOfOne
01-25-2008, 06:05 AM
You still haven't learned to realise that we might not know everything yet? Remember, the earth is flat..

Anyone can string together a presentation while incorporating a bunch of woo.

Mitt Romneys sideburns
01-25-2008, 06:08 AM
You will discover that the relationships between numbers are not random or man-made but that numbers are actually elementary particles of which everything is composed.

what the hell?

LibertyOfOne
01-25-2008, 06:10 AM
He makes up shit as he goes along. There is no real math involved.

sharpsteve2003
01-25-2008, 07:55 AM
http://youtube.com/markorodin
Watch his video series on vortex based mathematics. This kept me up all of last night, and I was messing around with the basic model for hours today, and this is so phenomenal, and yet so basic I can't believe no one saw it before. If this guy's theory gets out in the general public, we WILL have an unlimited source of energy. That's only one aspect, it's just mind-blowing to think of what can be done with this. Even if you're not good at math, you can easily understand the beauty and simplicity of his model. Wow. Is the human race ready for this?

Well I thank you for posting this and I'm glad I saw it before it was moved and I would not have seen it. I thought it was very interesting. I understood enough to think it's worth looking into further. To bad so many just can't have a open mind to the possibilities of the universe. WE DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING! I can't wait for when something like this really is put to use and then see what all the nay sayers will say then.

Edu
01-25-2008, 08:37 AM
Does this guy ever get to the point where he shows you anything actually working?

Does it float in mid air? Does he own a simple meter?

It's like this, show me something working, then I would spend the time listening to all the crazy talk.

Redcard
01-25-2008, 08:39 AM
It's all just more psuedoscience.

Mitt Romneys sideburns
01-25-2008, 08:54 AM
Is this anything like mystical pyramids? You know, if you put a pyramid on your head, you mind is more clear. They can also be used to keep food fresh, and keep away the neo-cons at night if you put one near your door.

angelatc
01-25-2008, 09:04 AM
Is this anything like mystical pyramids? You know, if you put a pyramid on your head, you mind is more clear. They can also be used to keep food fresh, and keep away the neo-cons at night if you put one near your door.

Do they work better if they are pyramid shaped magnets?

KirkOlson
01-25-2008, 09:10 AM
Put on a decent shirt, please.

Mitt Romneys sideburns
01-25-2008, 09:11 AM
Seriously now, this guy has not said one thing of substance. This sounds like complete bull to me. Hes a nut from some wacko religion.

Im more inclined to believe TimeCube than this nonsense.

werdd
01-25-2008, 09:17 AM
Well Tesla did invent the radio frequency. AM radio, then it was FM radio. Then satelite. Now we are transfering gigabytes of information every second VIA wireless N. This isnt transferring energy, it is just a broadcast of information, but i do beleive if you told Tesla that he would be able to broadcast a billion digits of 1's, and 0'.s a second, he would of been amazed.

I don't know enough about wirelessly connecting energy, but from what i understand in essence it involves creating a lightening bolt, and transferring it to one end to another, and sustaining itself with no ground. That is the "theoretical" tesla sentry.

There are simple working model's of this already, and who is to say that this is still the "AM" radio stage in its progression.

amy31416
01-25-2008, 09:37 AM
Anybody who thinks there is "free energy" didn't pay attention to their physics professor's lecture on thermodynamics.

I really have to agree, I know I'm a killjoy-but the quest for "free energy" has been going on for so long and as of yet, nobody has been able to violate the second law of thermodynamics.

I'll watch a bit more of his stuff though, it is kind of interesting, but I am highly skeptical.

Here's another scientist from my hometown who's doing some interesting things with energy, but still not getting "free energy." http://youtube.com/watch?v=h6vSxR6UKFM

It's interesting, but remain skeptical and look at the systems as a whole before you conclude that we're getting 'free energy.'

If you really want free energy, try Gibbs! G(T,p) = U + PV − TS

junior_bacon_cheeseburger
01-25-2008, 09:38 AM
ulimited energy?? THATS IMPOSSIBLE, basic law of physics: matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed. This principle is the basic foundation of a lot of science, and all technology. Trust me, I've been in engineering for three years and some of the equations require using that principle.....no such thing as perpetual motion machine, sorry to burst the bubble

werdd
01-25-2008, 10:12 AM
ulimited energy?? THATS IMPOSSIBLE, basic law of physics: matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed. This principle is the basic foundation of a lot of science, and all technology. Trust me, I've been in engineering for three years and some of the equations require using that principle.....no such thing as perpetual motion machine, sorry to burst the bubble

Can energy circulate infinately in a circle with no ground so long as energy never escapes?

Dark_Horse_Rider
01-25-2008, 10:14 AM
what the hell?

Indeed EVERYTHING IS NUMBER

Redcard
01-25-2008, 10:15 AM
Can energy circulate infinately in a circle with no ground so long as energy never escapes?

No.

Because energy will always escape. Be it friction for kinetic energy, or resistance for electrical energy, you cannot have what you describe. Even our main source of energy, the theoretical limit of earth's total energy, is going to run out eventually.

werdd
01-25-2008, 10:18 AM
matter can be infinately condensed, is it not possible in the future we can capture the energy of every lightening bolt and have it run infinately in a circle and channel it out at a choke point providing almost infinite electricity?

electricity doesn't escape black holes :O.

Dark_Horse_Rider
01-25-2008, 10:19 AM
Time is changing. The Old order of things will pass away, and a new principle will emerge. Non zero sum game was just a hint at the nature of the new time that approaches.

EvilEngineer
01-25-2008, 10:23 AM
Free-energy is bunk... total violation of the laws of thermodynamics. In terms of energy that we can harness it from lowest to highest are:

Currently available:
1. Wind
2. Solar
3. Wave
4. Coal
5. Fossil Fuels
6. Fission

Future:
7. Fusion (basically replicating a sun)
8. Anti-matter (Highest per-mole output of energy due to complete annihilation of matter into energy)
9. Gravity (relies on concepts of understanding that potential and kinetic energy are due to the curvature of space time.)

Redcard
01-25-2008, 10:26 AM
matter can be infinately condensed, is it not possible in the future we can capture the energy of every lightening bolt and have it run infinately in a circle and channel it out at a choke point providing almost infinite electricity?

electricity doesn't escape black holes :O.

Electricity doesn't escape black holes, but other things do.

No, it's not possible to capture the energy of every lightning bolt and have it run ina circle.. because the thing that is running in the circle itself.. the method of transmission, will have resistance. That you can feel.. if you grab a wire, you'll notice its insulated. Part of the reason for the insulation is because of the heat that the wire is giving off as the electricity runs through it.

Energy is always in a path of being contained to being disapated.

dougkeenan
01-25-2008, 10:36 AM
Particles and anti-particles differ only by charge (electricity). Their separation at an event horizon results in Hawking radiation (as I understand it). In that sense electricity does escape and black holes do dissipate.

And matter cannot be "infinately (sic) condensed." That claim makes no sense.

werdd
01-25-2008, 11:45 AM
Particles and anti-particles differ only by charge (electricity). Their separation at an event horizon results in Hawking radiation (as I understand it). In that sense electricity does escape and black holes do dissipate.

And matter cannot be "infinately (sic) condensed." That claim makes no sense.

The big bang theory suggest that it can up to the threshold when everything in existance is packed so tightly, it explodes.

Think of it this way, the laws of physics allow for something called a white hole. We havent seen one, but they predict it did play a part in the creation of our universe.

White holes in essence, spit things out, where black holes suck things in and condense.

Now we know black holes collide and consume eachother, making an even larger black hole, we've seen this happen.

Eventually, in x years the entire universe is destined to be consumed by black holes, and those block holes will all combine to create one huge black hole.

Now some scientist think that this is the big bang, when that black hole reaches its threshold capacity, and starts spewing shit out.

Whatever the case, the whole big bang theory relies on matter being able to be compressed to as far as we are concerned, infinite, and there may not even be a number we can type out in a million years to represent this. And once it reaches that near infinite threshold, it explodes.

Delivered4000
01-25-2008, 11:53 AM
http://smiliesftw.com/x/yumslap.gif Fail at physics

asgardshill
01-25-2008, 11:55 AM
Perpetual-motion machine - my ex-wife's mouth. Take THAT, Einstein!

Edward
01-25-2008, 11:57 AM
Water, breathable air, sunlight are free commodities (well, maybe not water anymore) so why should energy be so restricted? It's everywhere and everything.Well, obviously we would like to see more sunshine.

Edward
01-25-2008, 11:58 AM
Perpetual-motion machine - my ex-wife's mouth. Take THAT, Einstein!Ah, ha, ha, ha! Funniest thing I've heard today! (No offense intended towards your ex-wife.)

werdd
01-25-2008, 12:13 PM
I'm not even talking about free energy. Im talking about leeching huge ammounts of energy (lightening) and injecting it into a vacuum tube and allowing it to circulate infinately in a circle with no ground or possible dissapation. And channeling that energy through Via a mechanism similar to AC DC.

I think its important because someday we will be able to artificially create lightening in a controlled enviroment, and possibly contain electricity with no dissapation in a controlled enviroment.

Isnt that the problem with fusion? We can't figure out how to harness and contain it, without dissapation, or explosion?

Redcard
01-25-2008, 01:15 PM
Isnt that the problem with fusion? We can't figure out how to harness and contain it, without dissapation, or explosion?

I'll tackle this in two directions. First, with your plan on leaching energy. It's not possible to have a frictionless environment, and what you are describing is only possible in an environment with no friction. There will always be SOME draw.. some disappation.

As for fusion, no, we can harness it.. we can contain it.. the problem with fusion is that we've not been able to go past the "break even" point. We can't get out of it as much energy as we put into it.

KevinDW78
01-25-2008, 01:39 PM
This is pure, unadulterated, woo-woo. This guy probably is friends with Sylvia Browne and John Edwards too

Gadsden Flag
01-25-2008, 01:44 PM
A number is an idea.

KevinDW78
01-25-2008, 01:45 PM
It's hilarious that this guy has his fake "classroom" setup and films it to make it seem like he is lecturing some hall of science students when it appears that he is only talking to one person sitting off camera.

Fox McCloud
01-25-2008, 02:01 PM
while I think the vast vast vast majority of "free energy" crowd is complete bunk, there are a couple out there that I personally believe are onto something (they're also a few that present it in a fashion that doesn't break any laws).

Anyway, I admit that they could be wrong...as I say, it's a personal belief.

in the mean time, we should stop subsidizing any and all energy companies so the market can work....then and only then, will we find out if there truly is "free energy".

also, the whole black hole/anti-matter/string theory...to me that seems to heavily conflict with the "electric universe model".

We've been running on the same theories for quite a few years now....and we've ignored some potential (and logical) new ones...why?

bg1654
01-25-2008, 03:06 PM
"Can energy circulate infinately in a circle with no ground so long as energy never escapes?"

Actually, yes, in terms of electricity and barring the loss of energy to create the coolant. Look up superconductors.

AFM
01-25-2008, 03:14 PM
this guy is retarded

Redcard
01-25-2008, 03:15 PM
"Can energy circulate infinately in a circle with no ground so long as energy never escapes?"

Actually, yes, in terms of electricity and barring the loss of energy to create the coolant. Look up superconductors.

Even superconductors have resistance.

Heh.

My bad. I'm incorrect, in one regard. You're right, superconductors have no resistance, but the problem with them is the coolant.

LibertyOfOne
01-25-2008, 04:10 PM
This is pure, unadulterated, woo-woo. This guy probably is friends with Sylvia Browne and John Edwards too

I would not be shocked if that was the case :)

rp4prez
01-25-2008, 04:15 PM
If you guys this is is cool check out what this Irish company is doing. They announced their "free" energy solution and are really trying hard to push it into the main stream.

http://www.steorn.com/

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/21/173253

LinearChaos
01-25-2008, 04:39 PM
Here is the real future of physics, and it doesn't involve banging together particles. Pretty interesting stuff:

E8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E8_%28mathematics%29)


In mathematics, E8 is the name given to a family of closely related structures. In particular, it is the name of some exceptional simple Lie algebras as well as that of the associated simple Lie groups. It is also the name given to the corresponding root system, root lattice, and Weyl/Coxeter group, and to some finite simple Chevalley groups. E8 was formulated between the years of 1888 and 1890 by Wilhelm Killing.

The designation E8 comes from Wilhelm Killing and Élie Cartan's classification of the complex simple Lie algebras, which fall into four infinite families labeled An, Bn, Cn, Dn, and five exceptional cases labeled E6, E7, E8, F4, and G2. The E8 algebra is the largest and most complicated of these exceptional cases, and is often the last case of various theorems to be proved.

E8:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/E8_roots_zome.jpg/180px-E8_roots_zome.jpg

projections:

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/fearful-symmetry/e8plane_sm.jpg

http://bp0.blogger.com/_ws8XY4ubvXg/RrRYpT39UpI/AAAAAAAAAXs/Pbd_wQfzb5Q/s400/e8tri.png

Examples of E8 Rotation:

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6728999145924332516&hl=en
http://www.deferentialgeometry.org/anim/e8rotation.mov

rp4prez
01-25-2008, 04:41 PM
Here is the real future of physics, and it doesn't involve banging together particles. Pretty interesting stuff:

E8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E8_%28mathematics%29)



E8:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/E8_roots_zome.jpg/180px-E8_roots_zome.jpg

projections:

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/fearful-symmetry/e8plane_sm.jpg

http://bp0.blogger.com/_ws8XY4ubvXg/RrRYpT39UpI/AAAAAAAAAXs/Pbd_wQfzb5Q/s400/e8tri.png

Examples of E8 Rotation:

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6728999145924332516&hl=en
http://www.deferentialgeometry.org/anim/e8rotation.mov

Didn't some surfer PhD physics guy figure all this out?

LinearChaos
01-25-2008, 04:45 PM
More on Lisi and E8 (explains the rotations):

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-xHw9zcCvRQ

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/11/14/scisurf114.xml


Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything

By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 6:01pm GMT 14/11/2007

An impoverished surfer has drawn up a new theory of the universe, seen by some as the Holy Grail of physics, which has received rave reviews from scientists.

Garrett Lisi, 39, has a doctorate but no university affiliation and spends most of the year surfing in Hawaii, where he has also been a hiking guide and bridge builder (when he slept in a jungle yurt).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml;jsessionid=0DKK4JO3EDWLRQFIQMFSFF4AVCBQ 0IV0?xml=/connected/2007/03/19/ecpattern19.xml



Is this the fabric of the universe?

Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 19/03/2007

Roger Highfield describes a heroic mathematical enterprise that could lay bare the fundamentals of the cosmos

Mathematicians have successfully scaled their equivalent of Mount Everest. Today they unveil the answer to a problem that, if written out in tiny print, would cover an area the size of Manhattan.

At the most basic level, the calculation is an arcane investigation of symmetry – in this case of an object that is 57 dimensional, rather than the usual three dimensional ones that we are familiar with. Although this object was first discovered in the 19th century. there is evidence that it could contain the structure of the cosmos.

Mathematicians are known for their solitary style of working, but the combined assault on what is described as "one of the largest and most complicated structures in mathematics" required the effort of 18 mathematicians from America and Europe for an intensive four-year collaboration.

The feat may baffle most people but could have unforeseen implications in mathematics and physics, which won’t be evident for years to come, said the American Institute of Mathematics.

The best part is that it was put forward by a "surfer dude" with no University Affiliation. He thought string theory was crap and is not part of the "establishment". An outsider, so to speak, supposedly like Ron Paul's supporters :p

LinearChaos
01-25-2008, 04:46 PM
Didn't some surfer PhD physics guy figure all this out?
yes.

werdd
01-25-2008, 05:06 PM
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TVJ-45H0DJ1-1K&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=68b3d72b91ded4e2513ae3ab22422ed9

In that article they talk about how they are improving superconductors using different metals, maybe someday the super duper lightening machine storage machine generator will be possible. Im patenting it :O.

tron paul
01-25-2008, 05:08 PM
Anybody who thinks there is "free energy" didn't pay attention to their physics professor's lecture on thermodynamics.

Maybe they paid attention in astronomy class on the day that dark energy and the false vacuum were discussed.

RonRules
01-25-2008, 05:31 PM
"Well Tesla did invent the radio frequency. AM radio"

No he did not.

werdd
01-25-2008, 06:17 PM
"Well Tesla did invent the radio frequency. AM radio"

No he did not.

In 1943, the Supreme Court of the United States credited him as being the inventor of the radio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

who are you kidding.

CelestialRender
01-25-2008, 06:35 PM
Well, obviously we would like to see more sunshine.

Epic.

In other news: The first part of the presentation sounds like Crowley's kaballah-esque mysticism brought back from the dead.

MalcolmGandi
01-25-2008, 09:01 PM
How far did you guys get into the presentation?

"This fantastic coherence has existed since the beginning of time but has yet to be harnessed by mankind and the potential is truly mind-boggling."
(Russell Blake, senior researcher from Microsoft, author of Optimizing Windows NT)

“The Rodin coil is producing 60% greater output than the present day state of the art coil.”
(Hewlett Packard)

“Quite literally, the Rodin Torus is the first system to model
vortex action with numbers and geometry.”
Professor Scott Nelson (University of Hawaii at Manoa)

please listen to the audio interview with Jeff Rense for a few minutes, it should capture your attention.

www.markorodin.com

LibertyOfOne
01-25-2008, 09:11 PM
Didn't take long to figure out it was all woo. None of what the dude says has scientific standing. He uses the lingo of science in order to sound like he knows wtf he is talking about. It's all a show.

LibertyOfOne
01-25-2008, 09:14 PM
Done by who at HP? I bet HP didn't even state that. How would HP be capable of doing such tests? HP does printers and other PC bullshit.

magicmike
01-25-2008, 09:19 PM
MalcolmGandi I am a BIG fan of this kind of stuff, Tesla is the REAL Edison of America. Have you ever looked into the Methernita Testatika? Amazing idea, yet only 700 sites about it?
My personal preference is into 11th dimension, and how gravity is cross dimensional.

There are many many wonderful ideas out that only the internet has been able to bring back. I believe it is only a matter of time before these ideas are "re-discovered" through logical conclusion of the pieces.

Goldwater Conservative
01-25-2008, 09:23 PM
After seeing that, I think this is the most important scientific breakthrough in history:

http://www.lakewoodconferences.com/direct/dbimage/50162751/Electric_Shaver.jpg

werdd
01-25-2008, 09:57 PM
for the record i didnt even watch the video i just came here to spout out my psuedo science bullshit theorys.

youngbuck
01-25-2008, 10:43 PM
I strongly believe that free energy production methods do exist.

I read some interesting stuff a while back from the Advanced Energy Research Organization.

Seanmc30
01-26-2008, 12:15 AM
I watched the whole thing....long, long, long, long,.....long time. I did some research and looked at his website, some of the resources he is using, and the contacts he has made....I am somewhat intrigued.

He does tend to get lost in the "spiritual" aspect more than going after the science, but his motives are not my concern. What interests me is if the whole thing isn't some kind of elaborate fraud or elaborate hoax (which is entirely possible), then he may very well have stumbled on to something pretty revolutionary.

If, by some miracle, what this cat is saying has merit..... it could lead to a new mathematical perspective of music, engineering, energy, biology, etc.

Of course the biggest reason I would want this to be true is, there would be nothing more entertaining to me than to watch the world re-invent itself based on the mathematical genus.... of a guy that wears short shorts, a wife beater, and lives in a tent in Hawaii.

Please pass the Irony.

MalcolmGandi
01-26-2008, 03:56 AM
^Indeed. I just talked to the guy on the phone. He is very genuine. He sent me all kinds of information, along with pictures of test readings. I have worked this system for several hours now, and I honestly believe that this is it. This is the nature of reality, the perfect model. This is how energy works, the reason flower petals form in the way they do, the way tornados form, the way power is amplified with torque. No superior model could ever be created. This changes the whole way I look at the universe. These concepts are literally going to put us past Star Trek in a matter of decades. This is the next Renaissance. Ever heard of Star Wars? Not the movie, the defense program. This guy developed the most sensitive antennaes ever. You can choose not to believe it if you want, but before too long it will be a part of everyday life.

Enter
01-26-2008, 03:57 AM
I really hope this message somehow reaches the campaign.


Focus your energy on Older People. Please.


They are the biggest voters. Bring assurance to them. Make sure they know they are going to be taken care of. The young crowd is taken care of at this point. Grassroots projects are making sure of that. We NEED the older vote. THEY get out to the polls in MASS.

I'm 23. Politicians don't take people my age or younger seriously. I saw Kinky Friedman attempt an amazing run at Texas Governor, but he focused most of his attention on the young vote, hoping to get them out and vote. Even with the massive amount of online support he had, he came in 4th. The sad truth is there are way more young people who will not vote than we think. Our ONLY hope for this election is the Older vote.


I urge all supporters of Ron Paul to get out and talk to "Old" people.

I urge the Ron Paul campaign to focus a lot more energy on getting an older demographic of voters.


look up the stats. we've got the young and it is growing all the time. It's time to get the golden age on our side!

spread the message.

r3volution
01-26-2008, 04:24 AM
that is 1 guy that should NOT be wearing wife beaters !

hypnagogue
01-26-2008, 04:35 AM
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071117-upon-further-review-surfers-new-theory-of-everything-severely-deficient.html

I nice critical look at Lisi's E8 paper

idiom
01-26-2008, 06:42 AM
Thats some excellent Tinfoiling if its not valid.

I wanna know what the mag field coming of a vortex wound toroid looks like now.

Seanmc30
01-26-2008, 10:07 AM
^Indeed. I just talked to the guy on the phone. He is very genuine. He sent me all kinds of information, along with pictures of test readings. I have worked this system for several hours now, and I honestly believe that this is it. This is the nature of reality, the perfect model. This is how energy works, the reason flower petals form in the way they do, the way tornados form, the way power is amplified with torque. No superior model could ever be created. This changes the whole way I look at the universe. These concepts are literally going to put us past Star Trek in a matter of decades. This is the next Renaissance. Ever heard of Star Wars? Not the movie, the defense program. This guy developed the most sensitive antennaes ever. You can choose not to believe it if you want, but before too long it will be a part of everyday life.


I noticed a lot of this work was done in '01, why havent we heard about it until now? Why is this the first place we would hear of a (claimed) breakthrough of this magnitude?

Jim_Karr
01-26-2008, 10:13 AM
the most important scientific breakhrough in history

I thought Viagra was the most important breakthrough in history?

MalcolmGandi
01-26-2008, 02:22 PM
I noticed a lot of this work was done in '01, why havent we heard about it until now? Why is this the first place we would hear of a (claimed) breakthrough of this magnitude?

Well, the scientific community works by peer review. He has not published anything to any scientific journals because it has to be in a very technical wording that he is not familiar with (he doesn't have any degrees). It's also very hard to come out with something new, because like anyone else, the scientific community has a herd mentality. He has a family, and most of his time is spent on the research end moreso than publicizing his work. He's been on a few radio shows, which is how I heard about him. He thinks that's probably the best way to go about finding some funding. Of course he's writing grant applications too. He doesn't want to sign any contracts, understandably, but he has had many offers. The overwhelming skepticism of anyone who hears this stuff for the first time is a big barrier to getting publicity, although he has a few high-profile endorsements, listed in a previous post (that's only a couple). He said, as far as professors looking at this, he only gets feedback from about .1% of them. I'm about ready to move down to Hawaii to help him out. :)