Ron Paul/Goldwater jr. Ticket... [Archive] - Ron Paul Forums / Liberty Forest

clintontj72

01-24-2008, 04:45 PM

I was talking to some Republicans today that I've been working on for awhile. They tend to believe the other Repukes are conservative no matter what I tell them. Well, today I told them that Barry Goldwater jr. endorsed Ron Paul and it was like a bomb went off...you could see the light bulbs light up over their heads. It really got them thinking and they started talking about real conservatism and what it means and that Goldwater is the 'Gold Standard' of conservatism.

I think that it could greatly increase Paul's standing to immediately announce(if Barry would agree) that Barry Goldwater jr was going to be his VP running mate and have him on the campaign trail with him.

I know that there are other really good candidates...but in the minds of conservatives...especially older ones...this is a big deal.

What do you all think?

InLoveWithRon

01-24-2008, 04:47 PM

We need to stop getting ahead of ourselves with useless VP nomination threads when work needs to be done to win an important race first.

clintontj72

01-24-2008, 04:49 PM

We need to stop getting ahead of ourselves with useless VP nomination threads when work needs to be done to win an important race first.

I'm talking about announcing it right now! Not waiting until the convention...not doing it the conventional way...you see how that could stir things up?

JimInNY

01-24-2008, 04:49 PM

We need to stop getting ahead of ourselves with useless VP nomination threads when work needs to be done to win an important race first.

So why are you wasting your time responding? Get to work!

Goldwater Conservative

01-24-2008, 04:52 PM

It really got them thinking and they started talking about real conservatism and what it means and that Goldwater is the 'Gold Standard' of conservatism.

Ron Paul is the Goldwater Standard of conservatism. ;)

And yes, this would be quite the power move. Unlike other suggested VP nominees who would bring youth or ethnic diversity to the ticket, Goldwater would make it "liberty on steroids." It's like a double serving of Ron Paul.

trey4sports

01-24-2008, 04:53 PM

ninepointfive

01-24-2008, 05:14 PM

the idea has been ran through this board before, and overall i dislike the idea. it wouldnt be a terrible choice but we need someone who is younger and provide some charisma. Not only that but im not sure that Goldwater Jr. will pull in the moderates. granted he will draw the older generation Republicans but i cant see him appealing to the moderates in the middle who consider Paul "crazy".

I think that someone like Goldwater Jr. wouldnt be bad by any means but i dont think he would be a savior of the campaign....

right, but you're just saying that because you don't find it valuable.
The OLD PEOPLE will though, if you want to put it that way!

This is a way better idea than Kucinich!

werdd

01-24-2008, 05:17 PM

Im pretty sure the deal is already made, Goldwater is Ron's VP. He travels with him, backs him up on the air, and endorses him everychance he get's.

I don't think theres a better choice for VP.

marcus3x

01-24-2008, 05:19 PM

Im pretty sure the deal is already made, Goldwater is Ron's VP. He travels with him, backs him up on the air, and endorses him everychance he get's.

I don't think theres a better choice for VP.

what do you think about chuck hagel?

chuck and ron could defeat any democrat duo on the war and illegal immigration issue

werdd

01-24-2008, 05:21 PM

I still think the goldwater name is going to get us the old republicans we are lacking right now. That name is very special to the people who are actually voting.

BuddyRey

01-24-2008, 05:21 PM

Greatest...ticket...ever.

It would be a SURE THING to win the nomination, and then the General.

werdd

01-24-2008, 05:31 PM

We need to sticky a thread like this because i do beleive, this is what we will see in the coming month's. And it's freaking powerful he needs to announce it before Super Tuesday IMO.

Goldwater Conservative

01-24-2008, 05:31 PM

the idea has been ran through this board before, and overall i dislike the idea. it wouldnt be a terrible choice but we need someone who is younger and provide some charisma. Not only that but im not sure that Goldwater Jr. will pull in the moderates. granted he will draw the older generation Republicans but i cant see him appealing to the moderates in the middle who consider Paul "crazy".

I think that someone like Goldwater Jr. wouldnt be bad by any means but i dont think he would be a savior of the campaign....

Paul already does very well among independents, moderates, and the young. We need to reassure Republicans, conservatives, and senior citizens, and the Goldwater name is a great way to do that.

Plus, if Ron wins but doesn't feel like running for a second term, Barry could run for president in 2012. :)

trey4sports

01-24-2008, 05:34 PM

right, but you're just saying that because you don't find it valuable.
The OLD PEOPLE will though, if you want to put it that way!

This is a way better idea than Kucinich!

dont come on here and tell me why im saying things. You dont know me so dont think you do. Your certainly entitled to your opinion, but dont try to sit there and tell me you know my line of thinking. Like i said, Goldwater wouldnt be bad but if he was such an asset then why didnt he pull in support for us in NH ?? huh? he campained for us there and we took 8%........ just because you envision some grandiose vision of seniors jumping up and down to the goldwater name doesnt make it true....

trey4sports

01-24-2008, 05:37 PM

Paul already does very well among independents, moderates, and the young. We need to reassure Republicans, conservatives, and senior citizens, and the Goldwater name is a great way to do that.

Plus, if Ron wins but doesn't feel like running for a second term, Barry could run for president in 2012. :)

no he doesnt. The only sure vote we have is the disenfranchised and the libertarians. most mod's, dem's, and republicans stil view ron as too "kooky"

beachmaster

01-24-2008, 05:38 PM

Yep, I assumed a good while back when Goldwater Jr endorsed Paul that he would be the VP, and I like many others and like the OP here think it would be a good idea to at least telegraph very strongly that Goldwater Jr would be his running mate.

I would like to see it happen. We had a GOP rally a couple of weeks ago with all candidate's reps speaking on their behalf. I rewrote our guy's speech and had him open with the following... "In 1964, Barry Goldwater was the Republican nominee and thereafter, a whole wing of the Republican party was named after him. Today, Barry Goldwater Jr., is endorsing Ron Paul for Presidency, so the Goldwater wing lives on.... " or something like that. (It was more eloquent and all... but I just don't have a copy of it with me). Anyway, it got people's attention!

RonRules

01-24-2008, 05:38 PM

Absolute best way to get the older Republicans on our side. Most of them vote !

The announcement MUST be made BEFORE Super Tuesday.

Please HQ : Wake UP !

werdd

01-24-2008, 05:39 PM

no he doesnt. The only sure vote we have is the disenfranchised and the libertarians. most mod's, dem's, and republicans stil view ron as too "kooky"

Repeat after me

Goldwater for VP

It's that easy

If you don't like it leave

:O

MayTheRonBeWithYou

01-24-2008, 05:39 PM

No offense, but Barry is considered to be washed up politically. I personally love him and love his endorsement of Ron, but he would not bring much to the ticket.

Goldwater Conservative

01-24-2008, 05:42 PM

no he doesnt.

He does, but McCain has been eating into that support so far. I'm not suggesting all of them will break for Paul in the general election, but he doesn't even need a majority of those groups to win, just a stronger performance than Republicans have been able to pull off recently.

trey4sports

01-24-2008, 05:43 PM

Repeat after me

Goldwater for VP

It's that easy

If you don't like it leave

:O

ofcourse, continue living on dreams instead of pragmatic solutions. please explain to me why we obtained 8% in NH when we had Goldwater campaining for us?

BreakYourChains

01-24-2008, 05:45 PM

what do you think about chuck hagel?

chuck and ron could defeat any democrat duo on the war and illegal immigration issue

Chuck Hagel is a member of the CFR. No way! Another wolf in sheep's clothing....

MayTheRonBeWithYou

01-24-2008, 05:46 PM

Chuck Hagel is a member of the CFR. No way! Another wolf in sheep's clothing....

another "CFR Truther." :rolleyes:

RonRules

01-24-2008, 05:47 PM

Hey how about a vote for the best VP?

clintontj72, I'll let you run the vote? Do you know how? Just do a new post and look at the options below.

Find 15 different names for VP's (the maximum # of choices) so we have fun with this.

Be sure to add: Buchanan, Fred Thompson, Chuck Hagel, Romney, Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Bill Frist, James Gilmore, Tom Tancredo, Joe Lieberman and any others you see fit.

trey4sports

01-24-2008, 05:47 PM

He does, but McCain has been eating into that support so far. I'm not suggesting all of them will break for Paul in the general election, but he doesn't even need a majority of those groups to win, just a stronger performance than Republicans have been able to pull off recently.

i respectfully disagree. look at any primary thats indicative of the nation as a whole. Nevada and Louisana both had small samples and we had good org. there thats why we did well.

look at any nat'l poll and ten try to tell me that we have any portion of the demographic tied up. anyone who says that we automatically have the dem/indy/conserv. vote in the bag is thinking wishfully. there is absolutely no proof whatsoever.

i want Dr. Paul to win just as bad as the next person but c'mon we need to be efficient guys

werdd

01-24-2008, 05:49 PM

ofcourse, continue living on dreams instead of pragmatic solutions. please explain to me why we obtained 8% in NH when we had Goldwater campaining for us?

Because voters in NH thought mccain was anti-war. Maybe the MSM never reported his endorsement???

If we put him out as VP man, your going to see alot of heads turning. Theres 2 names in the republican party that people respect universally, Reagan, and Goldwater.

BULBASAUR!

01-24-2008, 05:51 PM

Old people vote. Old people like Barry Goldwater. Paul Goldwater '08!

Goldwater Conservative

01-24-2008, 05:55 PM

i respectfully disagree. look at any primary thats indicative of the nation as a whole. Nevada and Louisana both had small samples and we had good org. there thats why we did well.

look at any nat'l poll and ten try to tell me that we have any portion of the demographic tied up. anyone who says that we automatically have the dem/indy/conserv. vote in the bag is thinking wishfully. there is absolutely no proof whatsoever.

i want Dr. Paul to win just as bad as the next person but c'mon we need to be efficient guys

It's not locked up, but look at the entrance/exit polls. Paul does very well among those groups:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/

Click on any of those states and look under the results where it says "Republican entrance/exit poll." There's no doubt in my mind that Paul's weakness is with senior citizens (figures, since they're less likely to use the Internet) and conservatives and Republicans who don't realize that his foreign policy is very conservative.

trey4sports

01-24-2008, 05:59 PM

Because voters in NH thought mccain was anti-war. Maybe the MSM never reported his endorsement???

If we put him out as VP man, your going to see alot of heads turning. Theres 2 names in the republican party that people respect universally, Reagan, and Goldwater.

Not only did he endorse us there, he CAMPAIGNED for us. If he were such a big name in the conservative base his endorsment (let alone his CAMPAINING) for us in NH couldnt have been ignored, but it didnt pull in any votes.

Goldwater Conservative

01-24-2008, 06:02 PM

Not only did he endorse us there, he CAMPAIGNED for us. If he were such a big name in the conservative base his endorsment (let alone his CAMPAINING) for us in NH couldnt have been ignored, but it didnt pull in any votes.

But the media barely covered it. You can campaign all you want, but you still need media coverage for things like endorsements to have any effect.

TXcarlosTX

01-24-2008, 06:08 PM

PAUL/GOLDWATER!!! wow this sounds gangster. I want to start promoting this NOW!!

who's with me?

Revolution9

01-24-2008, 06:24 PM

no he doesnt. The only sure vote we have is the disenfranchised and the libertarians. most mod's, dem's, and republicans stil view ron as too "kooky"

You can pick yourself up off the canvas and dust yourself off now. Then your job will be to figure out how you delivered the devastating sockdolager to your own argument. You can go and figure out which way the baseball cap is supposed to be pointed to look cool and other neato jock type stuff then.

HTH
Randy

trey4sports

01-24-2008, 06:27 PM

You can pick yourself up off the canvas and dust yourself off now. Then your job will be to figure out how you delivered the devastating sockdolager to your own argument. You can go and figure out which way the baseball cap is supposed to be pointed to look cool and other neato jock type stuff then.

HTH
Randy

i have absolutely no clue what your saying

Gadsden Flag

01-24-2008, 06:30 PM

Hmm. Actually this would be a good idea.

Ron Paul already has hordes of young people supporting him as a result of the internet. If Goldwater would bring in the older supporters, then that's all we need, right?

rp08orbust

01-24-2008, 06:32 PM

I think Walter Williams would be a better choice. He's a sub for Rush Limbaugh (how could Rush then not endorse the ticket?) and he would silence all racism accusations that you know would be brought up by the Dems in the general election race.

tcgras01

01-24-2008, 06:40 PM

Someone tell me how barry goldwater jr helps ron win the general election. He needs someone to pull from dems and independents. Why not Dennis Kucinich

newnews

01-24-2008, 06:42 PM

I know my opinion means dill, and I'm too young to know anything about the first Goldwater but this does less than inspire me to think it will get more voters. Of course you want to try to get the older voter, but if we are going to win the whole thing we need to pull in some people from the left and even independents who "don't get it"

I think if he had a haircut and shave, Jesse Ventura would be someone like that.

For me in a running mate though, there is one red flag about Ventura and that is the requirement that we don't want/need someone behind Ron who wants him out of the way, in other words a real hunger to be the top guy in power. If he was willing to respect Dr. Paul and back him all the way for two terms then be his successor, then maybe. Perhaps hes a little too crazy for some.

There was a congressman named Dan Burton who seemed to echo Ron's statements some but I haven't really done much research beyond that. Overall I'm skeptical of ANY politician.

Perhaps this would be a reason to look outside politics for the running mate. You would want somebody well-known and trusted but not too hard to take seriously as I'm afraid Robin Williams would be, for a lot of reasons but I hear his name get brought up sometimes on this topic.

If we score the Repub. nomination we would really need to pull at least 10% away from the Democrats in the general. So someone who can add votes but not be a threat to backstab.

There aren't many public people I trust. So I guess I lean back towards Jesse Ventura but if you think Goldwater Jr. is the answer.....I dunno...how about Robert F. Kennedy Jr.? lol.....

I'll leave this to the experts but I'll be sure to keep you apprised of my irrelevant opinion on the matter should anything change or I shake the rust out of my head and think of a sensible person that I might be forgetting.

marcus3x

01-24-2008, 06:46 PM

another "CFR Truther." :rolleyes:

i stand corrected

dannno

01-24-2008, 06:50 PM

I still think the goldwater name is going to get us the old republicans we are lacking right now. That name is very special to the people who are actually voting.

+1

Yes, Paul pulls plenty of moderates and liberals who hear his message and are willing to listen to somebody with an (R) next to their name.

I think Barry Goldwater Jr. would be an excellent choice... it would get a lot currently brainwashed, former real conservatives on board.

Delaware

01-24-2008, 06:52 PM

I dont know if two old white men would be a good ticket for a young diverse country. I love the ticket, but i dont know.

Joe3113

01-24-2008, 06:53 PM

Goldwater is an idiot. He went on Alex Jones and didn't even know what the "New World Order" was.

werdd

01-24-2008, 06:54 PM

BULBASAUR!

01-24-2008, 06:54 PM

Paul already has a good slice of the young vote. We need Goldwater because, unlike young people, old people ACTUALLY VOTE. Goldwater could actually help us get the GOP nomination, we can worry about the general later.

We also need to try to get that Nancy Reagan endorsment.

I think if would be great if we could get an ad going with Nancy Reagan, Goldwater and Roe all endorsing Dr. Paul. It would be absolutely clutch and would seal it.

tcgras01

01-24-2008, 06:55 PM

Dennis Kucinich is the best choice. Got to look at the big picture, what helps us in the general election.

werdd

01-24-2008, 06:55 PM

Goldwater is an idiot. He went on Alex Jones and didn't even know what the "New World Order" was.

And that makes him an idiot? Laugh.

dblee

01-24-2008, 06:56 PM

We have the young (non-evangelical) republican vote. What we NEED is the older vote that constitutes the majority of the voting population. Goldwater would be ideal. However I'm sure the campaign has its' timeline for an announcement.

werdd

01-24-2008, 06:56 PM

Dennis Kucinich is the best choice. Got to look at the big picture, what helps us in the general election.

Dude no one is gonna vote for us when we got a leprechan man touting socialist smoking bans and the such. Kucinich and paul agree on foreign policy, the rest is NOSIR.

kyleAF

01-24-2008, 07:01 PM

Older people vote disproportionately to their population. We need them to win. I think this would go a long way toward doing that, as Goldwater was from the 50's 60's era, which is the same era as the older folks now.

Then again, we're pulling a lot of independent votes too, and this may upset that. Really, it's a cost-benefit thing best left to the campaign and Dr. Paul. (I'm sure that he's thinking about it)

nc4rp

01-24-2008, 07:15 PM

Dennis Kucinich is the best choice. Got to look at the big picture, what helps us in the general election.

Kucinich wont help Paul win the nomination.

RonRules

01-24-2008, 07:21 PM

I dont know if two old white men would be a good ticket for a young diverse country. I love the ticket, but i dont know.

Old folks are what wins primaries, but the masses select the president. Older Republicans will JUMP on Goldwater.

I would favor an Goldwater Jr. VP announcement BEFORE super Tuesday to secure the nomination.

After that, and plenty of mass appeal, jogging suits, good music, we'll get the masses.

Another thing, Goldwater is Jewish, but not a Zonist. Perfect combination.

RonRules

01-24-2008, 07:22 PM

Goldwater is an idiot. He went on Alex Jones and didn't even know what the "New World Order" was.

That's because the is NO WORLD ORDER you Kook.

BULBASAUR!

01-24-2008, 07:24 PM

Another thing, Goldwater is Jewish, but not a Zonist. Perfect combination.

That will shut up the people who try to call Dr. Paul an anti-semite.

clintontj72

01-24-2008, 08:02 PM

Thanks all of you for the replies. Many good points in here. I just noticed the reaction, and it was very strong and positive, when I told a bunch of older Republican's that Barry Goldwater Jr. had endorsed Paul and was campaigning with him. I literally saw a physical reaction...in their eyes, faces, and demeanors...it changed everything to a positive.

It was very powerful! It was like all of their questions about Paul being a conservative was gone. And you could see them thinking about why the 'Gold Standard' name of Republicans did not endorse one of the other candidates.

beachmaster

01-24-2008, 08:16 PM